Different ways to enter LD

Hi guys and gals!

Can I ask - in what manner do you come to be in an LD?

I ALWAYS awaken from where I went to sleep. Reading how others realise they're dreaming halfway through a current dream seems so alien to me.

Do others experience what I experience? Regularly? Mostly?

Cheers,

Chris.

I come to realize I'm dreaming halfway when I notice something wrong, like most people. I don't know how you could always just wake up with lucidity, wouldn't that be counter-productive? I mean, wouldn't you think you're actually awake when you wake up and not think you're dreaming?

Well, I guess everyone's minds work different. Work around with your situation and maybe you can consistently have LDs!

Sweet dreams..

This is why we always RC upon awakening Paranoid Llama! Have you not had a FA (False Awakening) before?

This is interesting to me that you always wake up in your dream. I am guessing that this started when you were quite young and stuck around? Usually things like this run off of experience and expectation. Your experience is what has the greatest hold on your expectations. I know someone that changed his dreaming mind using clockwork (in dream item to change belief by erasing and moving memories (experience)) to make himself always FA. I have thought about doing something similar, but have been busy with other goals to try and learn clockwork (especially since most techniques you have to use a variation of it rather than the technique 100%) and I have been working on persistent realms. ;)

Usually I DILD (Dream Initiated Lucid Dream). If I am on a good sleep schedule I will become lucid at the beginning of a dream, but if I am on a bad sleep schedule I will become lucid in the middle of the dream as the awareness rises like it seems to in all my dreams. Yours would also be considered DILD.

Well, I thought a bit further about it last night. I think it's a WILD. I think I awaken just a little, and my brain thinks of lucid dreaming, and then it goes back to sleep in that state. So maybe that's telling of which technique I should be using!

Thanks for the reply, Sensei - you've given me some useful food for thought there.

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This is why we always RC upon awakening Paranoid Llama! Have you not had a FA (False Awakening) before?

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Well, of course I know that you should RC upon awakening, and I have had one before. I'm just saying that while you take the time to realize that you have woke up, wouldn't you believe it's reality for that time being, then after suspect it isn't?

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Originally Posted by Musicislife2

Well, I thought a bit further about it last night. I think it's a WILD. I think I awaken just a little, and my brain thinks of lucid dreaming, and then it goes back to sleep in that state. So maybe that's telling of which technique I should be using!

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You should be using wild and dild. Don't restrict yourself! Find a way to do both techniques at the same time! I have about 2 wilds a week and about 5 DILDs a week (average) and I wouldn't have that many of either if I didn't practice both. When I wake up at night I 'feel' for it. If I don't know which way to go, I tag a dream and go back to sleep. Then I feel again. Then I try and go to sleep on the less aware more asleep side and keep feeling for a wild. If I feel a wild I jump on it, if not, then I fall asleep with a good feeling of dild and my mantra of "I'm dreaming."

Llama. Why should you default at waking? Default to dream and prove that you aren't dreaming. I don't RC because I might be asleep, I RC because I might be awake. ;)

Dreams are hard to prove. Reality is easy.

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Llama. Why should you default at waking? Default to dream and prove that you aren't dreaming. I don't RC because I might be asleep, I RC because I might be awake.

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I agree with what you say, but it would be hard to default at dreaming. Unless you were to start lucid dreaming very early in your life, you get accustomed to automatically believe you're awake when you get up from bed. And yes, why should I default to waking? :)

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Originally Posted by ParanoidLlama

I agree with what you say, but it would be hard to default at dreaming. Unless you were to start lucid dreaming very early in your life, you get accustomed to automatically believe you're awake when you get up from bed. And yes, why should I default to waking? :)

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Age may make it harder, but not impossible. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I don't think that age is gonna make anything impossible though. You might just have to try harder to override certain ideas. I started LDing at 21, so I have had 21 years to default waking, but only the past 3 to default dreaming.

The problem usually isn't that you automatically think that you are awake when you wake up, it is that you don't think about any states when you wake up. That is why I always categorize awareness in two categories. General Dream Awareness (GDA) and State Awareness (SA).

GDA is when your dreams are present and real and you are making the decisions. Let's say you are the Last Starfighter, you are the one making all the decisions on what to do!

SA is just what it says. Awareness of states. This is the 2 states of waking and dreaming. If you have GDA, you aren't automatically lucid, because you may never think of the fact that dreams exist. "Where did those fighter pilots come from?" Answer "Must have been cloaked" if your SA is high, your mind will always be looking at the two states, trying to decide which one it is. When I have any semblance of GDA, I have a Lucid dream, because most of the LDing techniques are techniques to raise SA, not GDA.