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I forget all of my objectives.
Every time this happens, I just stand there idle, trying to remember what I was gonna do. "Oh, I'm dreaming. Uhhhh....." Then something distracts me and I lose lucidity.
I can't figure it out. I know them all by heart and could say them in an instant, but not in a dream. Not even basic stabilization. wtf
Sorry to hear about that Jacob. Something I always tell people about goals is to have 1 simple dream goal and try and remember it. Get more complicated later. Something easy like "I want to jump up and down" or "I want to fly." The goal is really more to remember it.
Also I try to make it part of my day work. Slow down, realize I am dreaming, insert dream goal here.
Like most things, you need to start small. I think that a lot of people think that their dream goal is determined by their amount of control, but it can be capped by that or your amount of memory. Whichever one is lower is your limit. I don't know if you have had a chance to read Percylucids dj or dreamers, but they both have a massive amount of dream memory. Percy even, one night before the competition, realized that it was one night before the competition and that points for those dreams wouldn't count.
This is why we have tasks of the month in seperate categories. The basic are going to generally take a small amount of control or memory, things like "find a dc kid and tell him/her it is a dream". Whereas bonus will take more memory like *"Become a pilgrim on an adventure to a new world, be it a new country, or an undiscovered planet. Enjoy a feast with the natives" always a good place to get ideas.
Also, if you would like continuing help with this, you should come to the dream control class (link in sig).
What I would do is focus on much more general goals. Like remaning lucid longer, having a clearer head or a more vivid dream. After I have those things I can do whatever I want to do. Fly, summon things, shoot fireballs or something like that. I have never actually executed this plan, but this is my plan for when I do get lucid :P So this is all mere theory...
Sageous wrote an in-depth post a while back about memory in LDs, which contains a few hints and ideas. I'm currently experimenting with these to prime my memory access in LDs. Initially, the only goal I have for my next LD is remembering to do that. Then, if it works, I should be able to effortlessly remember everything else I want to do. It's a bit early right now, but my initial results seem promising.
I also find it easier, as Sensei suggested, to remember one or two fairly simple goals than a whole bunch of things at once. If I focus on a single idea during the day, think about it a lot, maybe mentally rehearsing becoming lucid and remembering it here and there, it doesn't usually take me very long to start remembering to do it in my LDs. I can then work on that for a while before switching to something else. I haven't actually tried this, but maybe that one goal could even be to remember the rest of your LD goals. :P
Hey there,
I don't think Lucid Dream is an all or nothing thing. Rather, its simply increased awareness during dreams. But exactly how much increased awareness can vary. It's possible to be aware or dreaming, but not have full clarity of mind or memory. Might be that the issue isn't with the dream goal directly, but rather with finding a way to increase that dream awareness in general, so the memories will come.
That said, I admit whenever I change a dream goal, it often takes me at least a week or more before I remember it in my dreams. I often harken back to old dream goals (almost like an automatism), rather then remember to do the new thing.
-Redrivertears-
These are three actions that I choose to do in my lucid dreams:
First: Set an intention of what I want to do when I get lucid, before I get lucid. For example if I get lucid tonight I would really like to have some dream sex and then probably I am going to become lucid and start humping everything that moves. Yea... Or flying or even being specific, for example when I was a kid I used to tell myself that I wanted to visit Hogwarts. The problem with setting your intention before hand is that these "lucid dreams" are more like a normal dream but that you choose to dream while lucid for a few seconds. So it's kind of like an advanced form of dream incubation. Or in my eyes a big waste of time.
However, since you allow your subconscious to control the dream making process here, you can experience very intersting things in this awareness state.
Most cool adventures happens in this state, but in my experience not in FULL REAL TIME Lucidity (More real than physical reality).
As I describe the feeling of here: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2172355
Second: Engage dream senses! Like I described in the link above, the reason to why dreams are unstable is because the thing that is creating it is unstable which in this example is our mind. If a server is laggy and unstable in a multiplayer game then the experience of that game is also going to be unstable. I thought video games was an excellent example of this since it's also a type of virtual reality.
And if a video game is laggy what happens? You get stuck in one image frame and it goes very slowly because it can't process all the information. Or to make it even clearer, if you run 5 video games and 10 different programs on the same computer at the same time, it's going to be a bad and usntabele experience.
And in dreams the same thing applies, if you got tons of emotions, thoughts, expectations, fears running then your experience of the dream is going to be shaky and crash, which means that you wake up. So the solution is to let go or "turn off" all those information generating processes. You can simply practise this through meditation, but simply put focus on ONE thing. Like one sense, touch everything and really focus in on the feeling of each texture. Since you know it isn't real it's going to be really fun running around feeling stuff and knowing that it isn't real, fun doesn't even begin to describe it, it's amazing. Using your own breath as an anchor is also really effective.
Third: You might have seen me discuss the importance of activating the critical center of your brain in order to have quality lucid dreams. The reason for this is obvious, if you aren't critical you are going to be fooled by your own mind. You are going to believe that previous dream plots actually has big importance for your life and you are gonig to act out an imaginary scenario, basically you tell yourself "I am lucid, but oh I need to spend my time solving my previous dream problems!" which is insanity, literally.
I use awakenings as a tool to both trigger lucidity through more activity in the critical center, but also to stabilize dreams. So the third option is actually to wake up! I do this by focusing on my eyes and thinking of my sleeping body <- Huge sign of pure lucidity by the way.
Then I wake up and chain the dream and when I return, it's basically like real life.
So these are the three type of actions that I choose from, I hope it made sense. But if it didn't just ask again.
And something just hit me! Probably, atleast in theory the most effetive course of action for quality lucid dreams would be to do this list from the bottom up.
Start by using awakenings to trigger critical awareness/ thinking, engage dream senses and become aware of the now and then with this stable mind and dream choose to create an epic adventure. Wow I hadn't thought of it like that before, so thank you for asking and allowing me to gather my thoughts! :zzz:
Haha I guess this is my two cents.
Sweet stable hyper lucid dreams!
Peace :meditate:
Mastermind. The first is not a waste of time. :P
I find that actually getting a dream goal as "wish fulfillment" is always super fun, and that there are definitely different levels of it. They don't all have to be just "barely lucid". One of my teachers said to repeat "I'm dreaming." while in a lucid dream so that you don't forget what it means. I am one of the people that even though I love non lucids, they are nothing compared to lucids. I like having an entire adventure while knowing that it is a dream the whole time. This is why I enjoy I'm dreaming... slow down, what do I look like? Check my surroundings. Think of a goal. Sometimes I will even think of my goal and just be like... nah, I would rather check this place out, I am on a space ship. I should see what the DCs here are doing!!! I think that it is kind of like 3 and then 2 and THEN 1!
It is also good to use Scan. It is very fun and helpful for getting critical state and engaging the surroundings at the same time.
I generally use LDing for fun or for practicing waking things. So I am not trying to achieve some higher purpose through LDing since I think that LDing is just a dream. You may be able to hack your mind while down there, but it is just you down there. No higher self, no other consciousness things.
Haha yea you're right Sensei. I just expressed some old newbie frustration with expectations when it comes to lucid dreaming stabilization.
The first years I had lots of semi-lucids and I do enjoy dreams in themselves, it just triggered some old memories. :P
But now I am just focusing on creating a dream experience that feels more real than reality in terms of vividness.
I have had a few glimpses of what that is like usually in the later morning.
That's all I ment :)
And by the way get excited for Occulus Rift, the first time I tested it, I cried because it was almost as a lucid dream and I was happy for the fact that I live to experience that kind of technological advancement. It's the true virtual reality experience.