How to escape from a lucid dream and some other questions

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01-30-2016, 06:39 PM
Newcomer17

How to escape from a lucid dream and some other questions

So last night i had like 7-8 lucid dreams! That added to my smartphone log would be like 13 entries.
Some of them were in the same place but doing different things and different 'storyline' although they were short, that would count them apart.

In about my last dream i realised that i had like 10 lucid dreams in a row, and i was scared that i would stuck inside my dreams and maybe be in a coma in the outside world (lol) :rolllaugh:

I was gonna try to "kill" my self like inception but before thinking further from that i woke up (at least I think) in my bedroom having some heavy breathing.
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1) Does this ever happened to you and how did you manage that?
2) I am trying to find that thread where there are cool things to try in a lucid dream.
3) How can i not practise day awareness in months and have 8 ld in a night? Btw I induced almost all of them by counting my fingers and in some i also rubbed my hands.
4) Any other tips for general ld or a thread on the forum that you thing is a must read?

lastly i was trying to bring any person but i failed miserably. Does spinning around help with that? I think I 've read that on the forum
01-30-2016, 09:19 PM
Spock

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1) Does this ever happened to you and how did you manage that?

Yes, lucid dream chains sometimes happen to me. These things are just a regular case of chained dreams (a bunch of connected dreams that follow one another, tend to be variations of each other, usually each part is short and they share a theme). But because we go through a similar plot, the chances to have a DILD are increased (since we become aware of the repetitions). And once you get lucid, the next "episodes" are much more likely to be lucid as well.

Inducing them is pretty random although WILD class methods create FAs and increased awareness, which sometimes induces chained dreams. If you're asking "how did you mange to wake up?", well first of all, once you get lucid you can usually control things and make them nicer - so why would you want to wake up? More rarely, if it is a lucid nightmare chain (had these too) - then try to:
1. teleport out / create a new dream
2. fall asleep - this will either get you to the void (where you can start a new dream), or wake you up, or will fail and you'll wake up in the next iteration
3. die - this does about the same things as option 2

I usually deal with lucid nightmares very early on, by just creating a new dream. I had very few nightmares in which I simply couldn't create a new scene, and so decided to wake up. And only once had a nightmare chain from which I simply couldn't wake up (I died in the dream in each "episode", and just woke up at the beginning again). But I had this dream as a child and didn't know how to properly control a dream. Nowadays, doesn't matter which of the options I use, I just know that the most important thing for dream control is being lucid enough and knowing that you have control (and not doubting yourself). So, I have no problem to just change the dream (and rarely choose to wake up, but that's just as easy - just set your intention and "fall asleep" or "die"). For me, this is much easier than to become lucid in the first place.

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2) I am trying to find that thread where there are cool things to try in a lucid dream.

Try here - Lucid Experiences

Go to the "Tasks of the Month & Year" and "Lucid Challenges" sub-forums, and pick some fun ideas!

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3) How can i not practise day awareness in months and have 8 ld in a night? Btw I induced almost all of them by counting my fingers and in some i also rubbed my hands.

There are countless ways to increase the frequency of lucid dreams. It depends on what you're looking for. Do you have LDs naturally? Do you currently practice something?

Also, there is definitely no way to guarantee that you'll get 8 LDs a night. It's very individual and the experience you had tonight could be totally random... The best way to create lucid chains by design is DEILD (incl. CANWILD) method. But it might take a lot of practice and / or supplementary methods (awareness, recall, RCs, MILD, etc) depending on what come easy to you in lucid dreaming and what is difficult...

(Note that just by counting fingers / rubbing hands you can't induce lucid dream - since these actions are taking when you're dreaming. Maybe you mean that you practice daily RCs (like counting fingers) - this is one of the things that might help becoming lucid. Rubbing hands is a stabilization / affirmation method - it helps you get more aware and increase dream vividness once you already know you're dreaming. Induction techniques induce lucidity itself.)

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4) Any other tips for general ld or a thread on the forum that you thing is a must read?

There are plenty of specific tutorial on this site - just use the search function, or go to "Attaining Lucidity" forum... If you're looking for very general suggestions, look and my and jzinser's replies on here:
Learning to dream. How to start?

These are very general outlines that are intended to show the various methods and other info you should know (if you don't already). For more specific info - e.g. a DEILD tutorial - just search "DEILD tutorial", or "CANWILD" - there are several of these on this site...

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lastly i was trying to bring any person but i failed miserably. Does spinning around help with that? I think I 've read that on the forum

Whatever you believe is going to help, is going to help. It an issue of being lucid enough and knowing that everything is possible and achievable (and practice!). Spinning is usually used for teleporting or stabilization, personally I'm not a fan of spinning. But again, you should find something that is comfortable for you. Maybe open a door and expect that person to be there? Full summoning is pretty advanced and takes practice - but most importantly confidence and positive thinking, and being creative with how to do it if the first try fails.
01-30-2016, 10:09 PM
Newcomer17

@Spock

Thanks for the advice. Well i wouldn't like to miss the chance of going lucid but when it's been months to practise it seemed scary to me to dreaming like for hours.

Thanks for the tips man!! I 'll try teleporting next time and as a last resort the die method.
Thank god i just read in the faq that you can't dream in coma and that endless dream can happen but you will eventually wake up.

Maybe sounds a bit silly but should i count each episode as 1 ld in my counter?

I don't have the natural ability but i'm good at recalling my dreams, well most of the times. Everyday i can remember at least a dream but unless i write it down i forget it until midday. It seems that I am going to start a dream journal on my phone and make it a habit.

Well in the first 'episode' i talked to a woman and after she said something strange i realised i was in a dream. In the next episodes i would count my fingers and find out i had 6 in one hand!
Also in one of them i looked my self in my bedroom's mirror and it was super cool. It was super vivid and i looked like i was high/on drugs. Well i guess, cause i don't do any drugs :p

What i did last night: i had a great workout after 2 weeks of deload/rest and took my daily vitamins, omega 3 and vitamin C. Also the previous night i had only 2-3 hours of sleep. I guess these would lead to super deep sleep.

Although i don't do any day rc's every time i sleep or go to sleep after waking up i do something similar to wild. Relaxing the body and counting breaths. Maybe that's how all started all night. Like i went straight to rem after lack of sleep.

Again thanks for the advice and the links. I 've already read the other thread where you responded and i found it really helpful.
01-31-2016, 05:37 AM
xxPhoebusxx

It's pretty easy to wake yourself up. When I was 5 and had nightmares I used to become lucid and move my eye back and forth rapidly to wake myself up.

The rem rebound may have played a role. Several lucid dreams in one night is very impressive. Well done.
01-31-2016, 06:52 PM
Newcomer17

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It's pretty easy to wake yourself up. When I was 5 and had nightmares I used to become lucid and move my eye back and forth rapidly to wake myself up.

The rem rebound may have played a role. Several lucid dreams in one night is very impressive. Well done.

Thanks, I'm officially back at practicing MILD
02-01-2016, 12:32 PM
Spock

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Thanks for the advice.

My pleasure! :D

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Thank god i just read in the faq that you can't dream in coma and that endless dream can happen but you will eventually wake up.

Well, not exactly... In some comas, it's possible to dream, or even being aware. It depends on the cause and severity of the coma. Coma is just a general name for not being able to wake up and being unresponsive.

BUT, you can't get into coma because of dreaming / lucid dreaming / going to sleep. To be in coma you'll need a medical reason, like severe poisoning, physical damage, diseases, etc. So, let's say a person becomes aware in a dream while in coma - he'll remember that he's in a coma and what caused it (because once he's aware enough he'll have access to his memories...). So there's really no reason to worry about it - if you worry about coma, worry about things that cause it, like severe poisoning, physical damage and diseases. Plus, I would much rather be stuck in a coma aware, than be stuck in a coma without being aware...

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Maybe sounds a bit silly but should i count each episode as 1 ld in my counter?

I count them as one lucid dream if there was no loss of awareness in between. Let's say you fall asleep in one episode and wake up in another - and are lucid from the start - it's still the same lucidity. But if you were lucid, completely lost it, and then 20 minutes later become lucid again - than it's a different lucidity. But as you've said, this doesn't really matter much...

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I don't have the natural ability but i'm good at recalling my dreams, well most of the times. Everyday i can remember at least a dream but unless i write it down i forget it until midday. It seems that I am going to start a dream journal on my phone and make it a habit.

That's how it was for me when I started, although I had some natural LDs - like one every couple of months. But you also had a natural one (or many) as it seems!
Now I have an average recall of 4 full dreams +frags (and I don't count short episodes, HH, and HI as separate dreams). It can go up to 8, so dream recall practice really does pay off a lot!

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Well in the first 'episode' i talked to a woman and after she said something strange i realised i was in a dream. In the next episodes i would count my fingers and find out i had 6 in one hand!
Also in one of them i looked my self in my bedroom's mirror and it was super cool. It was super vivid and i looked like i was high/on drugs. Well i guess, cause i don't do any drugs :p

What i did last night: i had a great workout after 2 weeks of deload/rest and took my daily vitamins, omega 3 and vitamin C. Also the previous night i had only 2-3 hours of sleep. I guess these would lead to super deep sleep.

You did really great by counting fingers, looking at the mirror, etc - these are great ways to "stabilize" to get more vividness. Also, mirrors in dreams are super funky - always such a cool and different thing to look at! :boogie:

By the way, it's possible that you had a REM rebound because of the low sleep the previous night - which would explain a longer than normal and more vivid dream. But don't relay on that as a method - this is not sustainable and stops paying off pretty quickly... Workout also effects my dreams - but sometimes positively and sometimes negatively. Can't say that it increases my awareness though.

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Although i don't do any day rc's every time i sleep or go to sleep after waking up i do something similar to wild. Relaxing the body and counting breaths. Maybe that's how all started all night. Like i went straight to rem after lack of sleep.

WILD-class methods can increase lucidity chances even farther down the night, but actually starting the sleep with a dream is very rare (can happen, but very rarely).
Your technique is on the right track, but would be much more effective after a WBTB. Also, I do highly advise on RCing at awakenings - my biggest "challenge" right now is spotting FAs (usually induced by wilding).
02-03-2016, 03:34 PM
Newcomer17

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BUT, you can't get into coma because of dreaming / lucid dreaming / going to sleep.

That's good for me. Otherwise i'm still very young to worry about medical issues.

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I count them as one lucid dream if there was no loss of awareness in between. Let's say you fall asleep in one episode and wake up in another - and are lucid from the start - it's still the same lucidity. But if you were lucid, completely lost it, and then 20 minutes later become lucid again - than it's a different lucidity. But as you've said, this doesn't really matter much...

I ended up count them apart, because most of them are in a different place with a different plot.
btw do you have any recommendations for apps on android? I've installed "awoken" and it seems really good.

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That's how it was for me when I started, although I had some natural LDs - like one every couple of months. But you also had a natural one (or many) as it seems!
Now I have an average recall of 4 full dreams +frags (and I don't count short episodes, HH, and HI as separate dreams). It can go up to 8, so dream recall practice really does pay off a lot!

what is frags? :D
4 dreams per night? that's pretty good

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You did really great by counting fingers, looking at the mirror, etc - these are great ways to "stabilize" to get more vividness. Also, mirrors in dreams are super funky - always such a cool and different thing to look at! :boogie:

thanks it's mind blowing isn't it?

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By the way, it's possible that you had a REM rebound because of the low sleep the previous night - which would explain a longer than normal and more vivid dream. But don't relay on that as a method - this is not sustainable and stops paying off pretty quickly... Workout also effects my dreams - but sometimes positively and sometimes negatively. Can't say that it increases my awareness though.

Yes i think it's also unhealthy to do that on purpose, but as a student it can happen sometimes especially now on my senior year

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WILD-class methods can increase lucidity chances even farther down the night, but actually starting the sleep with a dream is very rare (can happen, but very rarely).
Your technique is on the right track, but would be much more effective after a WBTB. Also, I do highly advise on RCing at awakenings - my biggest "challenge" right now is spotting FAs (usually induced by wilding).

Yeah now I'm into wild, and specifically I'm trying to find the golden ration when my rem sleep begins.
so by "wild class method" we mean an attempt for wild?
I think spotting FAs it's pretty challenging.

Last night i was awake for 1 and a half hour. (alarm on 3.00am) i couldn't sleep until the time was 4.30am i switched a few sleeping positions -and i think on my back it's comfortable for me- and then i felt my body forcing me to sleep like my system was shut down. I didn't resist so after 5 min i felt like i was an helicopter : i was high on the clouds and slowly lowered on my bed, and i could listen the sounds of a helicopter. I couldn't tell if i really was awaken it was damn real! my finger count rc didn't work because my lights were off, and i was shocked immediately when i stepped off the bed, and then i woke up.

i was close on adding a lucid dream to my app count but nah, tonight i'll try again
02-09-2016, 04:41 AM
robertcox88

This happened to me too last week thank you for all the info!