Why is it not permanent?

How come the brain doesn't rewrite itself to have permanent lucid dreams after stopping a certain technique?

I mean, one can have 100000 lucid dreams everyday (as long as he practices whatever technique) but once the technique it stopped, that's it.

On other subjects I hear people talking about that it's possible to rewire your brain for this and that, your brain can be changed...

How come when it comes to lucid dreaming it is not so?


I feel like all those inducing methods out there are just a game to trick the brain in realising that you are dreaming and then are aware of it...
but I feel there must be someway (who knows) to train a certain muscle in the brain to have constant spontenious lucid dreams...
natural lucid dreamers don't practice anything, and they are just aware in their dreams...

I feel that lucid dreaming is a matter of motivation more than anything else.

Our mind is always on what has our most interest in that point of time. So, if you're not interested in being aware of your dreams, you're probably not going to be aware of them unless the topic of the dream creates this interest. If you're not more interested in questioning your dreams than whatever you're dreaming of, you're not going to question them. Motivation doesn't rewrite itself permanently, it's cultivated.

If you need a technique to be motivated to be aware of your dreams and to question them, then you're going to need a technique to lucid dream. But, if this motivation is natural, as in the case of naturals, you don't need a technique.

Without sounding like a professional, which I most certainly am not... actually, seeing as you mention 'naturals' I feel like I am still qualified to answer this to a degree seeing as in my early childhood I was natural.

I will take a piece of what Dolphin said here when he mentioned the part about "your subconscious will always put what is in your best interests first" (rephrased to make it most relevant to my explanation). As a child I had many nightmares, I know what triggered these but that is personal to me. However I had them and a part of me while in REM made me aware that I was dreaming to better deal with them. Initially I used this 'lucidity' to wake myself, given time though, I learned I could 'fight my demons' or better yet use positivity and imagination mixed with discipline and expectations to manipulate my dreams. As I grew older I lost lucidity in my dreams and recall of them all together.

Let me break this down for you.

#1. I had night mares as a child. I wasn't keeping well with this so my subconscious gave me a tool.

#2. I learned to use this tool, first primitively, then I found more creative ways to use it. As it turns out there are common and modern methods to utilise what I took for granted as a child.

#3. I forgot these as my life was overtaken by other purposes such as focusing on work and study, socializing and other aspects which actually damaged my ability to recall dreams let-alone be lucid in them.

So as you can see my brain wired itself for lucid dreaming, as the need died and changed it re-wired itself to deal with other things. The brain/mind is one part of your body. It is arguably the most critical organ you have, however it is limited and can only handle as much as it needs to. Like any physical exercise it requires "muscle" and any muscle left un-used goes to waste.

What I am saying here is from my own experience. I once had a need and I was provided with a tool, I honed that tool and then no longer had a need. The tool was set aside and went to waste. Now I wish to utilize that tool again for leisure or conventional purposes and
I need to re-learn how to use it.

No matter if you run 1,000Km a day, if you stop pushing those limits you will find after a while you cannot run 10Km.

This is the same with everything that is biological in nature.

I suppose it's more like a sport than just a natural thing. E.g Olympic runners always have to try hard to win a race, they don't just learn how to run fast and then it happens all the time.

If you learn how to WILD then you don't need to do anything during the day, you can just WILD whenever you feel like lucid dreaming

Learning to WILD is basically learning to achieve deep relaxation while keeping consciousness, this has many other benefits apart from LD

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Originally Posted by jzinser

If you learn how to WILD then you don't need to do anything during the day, you can just WILD whenever you feel like lucid dreaming

Learning to WILD is basically learning to achieve deep relaxation while keeping consciousness, this has many other benefits apart from LD

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Yeah but even that is limited...

Usually people put an alarm to wake up after a few hours of sleep at night, and then perform wild...

I heard it's useless to wild before going to sleep at night...

And, well I don't know about around 5-8 PM? after I finish working... I doubt my body will be in a good enough state to succeed in a wild

I hope you can proof me wrong,

In concolusion, even wild can't be just done whenever I feel like it. in the end I will have to sacrifice some sleep for it as well

You know there are people in this forum that lucid dream everyday (i think they don't practice as before or at all). Maybe i am wrong. I dont know.

I think it's not the techniques themselves that cause lucidity but the state of mind. The “muscle” to train to become lucid consistently is this state of mind of always being aware of what one's state is (waking life, dreaming), that they exist and are present, etc. Like other talents and abilities, this can take a lot of time (years) to fully develop. Eventually, over a period of time, the frequency of lucid dreams gradually rises further and further. The “natural” lucid dreamers probably happened to develop this mindset in their lives, perhaps without really realizing it, which makes it seem as if it is effortless to them. In fact, like with other abilities, once it becomes second-nature enough due to constant long-term practice, it actually does start to feel rather effortless after a while! You don't really have to be a natural to reach that point, but you do need a strong motivation and patience to keep at it every day over the long haul (not just a month or two), regardless of how well or poorly it seems to be going at the time.

But if the lucid state of mind is lost, the lucid dreams will stop too, just as if you don't use a particular muscle enough it will degrade, and if you don't regularly practice an ability or talent, you might become worse at it again.