Clear Eyelid Phenomena

There was a time a few years ago, that this would happen to me all the time. I would drift in and out of sleep, I would get this interesting phenomena. It seemed like I could see thru my eyelids as if there clear. I would be in my bed, usually a light on in the bathroom or tv glowing, I would close my eyes and I could still see my room, I mean I could move my eyes (with my eyelids shut) and look around my room, unfortunetly this was before I knew about lucid dreaming. And I can't remember the last time it happened. Im pretty sure I was going right into a state that I could have had a LD. Anyone ever have this experience?

Lucent

Forgive me if this has already came up, I did a search and could not find anything.

Pretty interesting! Only thing familiar to that, that I've had happen to me is when I start falling asleep(not in bed that is)and upon having my eyes fully closed and starting to go to sleep I'm able to see everything that was happening at the point before I was falling asleep so I would think I'm still awake.
Just wondering, I would imagine this could possibly make it dificult to fall asleep, did it?

That is quite like what happened with me, although sometimes I could look around the room. In retrospect I think I was going into a Lucid state. This would happen alot after waking up at night too, I would wake up for awhile and do whatever, but when this would happen I would fall asleep right away...

another thing, every scientific study about dreaming and REM sleep, it seems pretty much fact that we dont dream until we have been sleeping for awhile. Myself though, I can be nodding off while in bed and from the first time I fall asleep.... I'm dreaming, I wake back up a few minutes later than I try to keep myself up to finish the movie...I nod off again...right back into dream world....

does this happen do you? are there others out there who dream like that?

Lucent

Do any details in the room change when you awaken? (Even if the answer is no, it doesn't suggest anything supernatural. Maybe you just feel your dream eyes closed, while the real ones are open.)

Something very, very weird happens to me while i fall asleep.
Apparently, as i go to sleep, my eyes are shut, like any normal person. However, when i am actually asleep, my eyes begin to open, so that i am dreaming. I can't see what's going on around me, but i can see pictures in my head. Apparently, my eyes can be seen to be twitching and darting about.
I've been doing this since babyhood; the first time my mother saw it, she freaked out completely!
So, i call it sleeping with my eyes open.
I have actually 'examined' this, if you like...and as i'm dropping off to sleep, i can actually feel my eyes beginning to open...it's almost as if my waking eyes are shut, and i'm opening up some 'third eyelid' in order to be able to see my dreams...weird huh?

im prettu sure thats called seeing with your astral eyes. i have read about this on OBE sites and have experienced it also. just a few days ago, while the power was out, after the hurricane and all, i tried to WILD. so i got lucid but woke up a few seconds later, or i thought i did. instead, my awareness just moved back to my bed as i found myself in SP and could see my room around me. then i woke up for real, THEN opened my eyes. this has happened to me a few times lately

Hmm--Have you tried doing reality tests while you've got this "looking around your room with your eyes closed" deal going on? You might have to do purely mental ones, if you still feel like you're lying motionless in your bed... y'know, turning the lights on or moving objects or something. It could be something like a false awakening; only it's not that dream you're waking up; you dream you haven't fallen asleep yet.

Re. Dreaming outside of REM sleep: This is possible; generally when you're first falling asleep your thoughts become rather disconnected and may progress into dreams. You can also have dreams while very deeply asleep (stage 4) but I don't think it's very easy to remember those.

Yeah I get this quite a lot! I've been getting it frequently in the last few months, especially when I take afternoon naps. It's such a strange feeling too, hard to explain. A few times I've got it while trying to wild, but because I've been kinda looking at my body I was like "this isn't a dream" and didn't fully realise that I was lucid.

Now that I realise it might have been an astral experience I'm really curious about it... I want to try and do it again soon and see if I can convince myself to explore it a little more. I think I used to get this a lot when I was younger and used to stay up to ridiculous hours reading books... I'd kinda fall asleep and be looking through my eyelids at the novel, but not able to read the actual words.

So ok, now that I've got someone else to talk to about it, lets see how we can use this...

Tomorrow I will try and do the same afternoon nap WILD and see if I can get the clear-eyelid thing again, and maybe see if I can get out of my body or something... I'll let you know what happens.

Oh no... Please tell me if the majority of dreamviews.com members consists of believers in astral planes and other supernatural stuff. If this is the case, it's better for me to leave the forum earlier than later...

I think each person has very different points of view.

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Please tell me if the majority of dreamviews.com members consists of believers in astral planes and other supernatural stuff.

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I do not believe that to be the case. In fact, DreamViews members in general seem to be more grounded in reality than those of other lucid dreaming forums that I've visited. Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Wolffe
I think each person has very different points of view.

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One of mine is that you qualify as dumb.

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Originally posted by Korittke
One of mine is that you qualify as dumb.

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Please refrain from personal attacks on other members. This is in violation of the User Guidelines and Rules.

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Originally posted by Korittke
One of mine is that you qualify as dumb.

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That was rude....please apologize to Wolffe!

Yeah, that happens very often! That is usually what happens when I am just about to WILD. A few times, I have actually gotten up while seeing like that, & in the aftermath, went to read a book(someone on my website told me to go do that...& it is so cool I will never stop), then I would go back to bed!

Meh, i've spent enough time on the internet to know when to ignore such comments -.-

Perhaps it is so or perhaps not.

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Oh no... Please tell me if the majority of dreamviews.com members consists of believers in astral planes and other supernatural stuff. If this is the case, it's better for me to leave the forum earlier than later...

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Weeell then. I think you'll find that Dreamviews is one of the most cynical forums about lucid dreaming you will find on the internet, but as with any community, every individual has their own view. On the other hand I don't think you qualify as dumb...

So about the whole astral thing, we could debate it till the sun goes down and nobody would reach an agreement, personally I feel that it's just another form of lucidity, and if I seem to be able to get it through the clear eyelid thing, then all the better because I have had a lot of trouble getting any other form of lucidity.

well its not even that astral projection is some spooky spiritual thing. its really just lucid dreaming but while possibly experiencing some of the waking world psychicly. i believe so.

i believe it may be possible to see your room around you with your eyes closed simply by your brain redrawing it accurately with psychic energy.

I have a suggestion. Let's see if we can't experiment, and find out which is which (at least in one given situation)...

The difference between this "astral" deal and the idea that it's a normal (if rather realistic) LD is that if you're actually out of your body, you should be able to view your environment as it is while you are asleep, not as it was while you were awake (your memory).

If you are a.) able to get the "clear eyelid" phenomenon to work; and b.) living with a cooperative spouse, roommate, et cetera who's willing to help you, or able to get someone to visit for a few nights and help you out, then try this:

1. Go to sleep with a sleep-mask over your face (to be sure you can't open your eyes in your sleep and get input from your eyes).

2. After the sleep mask is over your eyes, have your assistant change something fairly drastic about your room. The assistant should be creative; you don't want the sleeper to figure it out by guessing. Also, silent; if you make noise that gives it away, even subconsciously, you'll ruin the experiment. I would also suggest specific variables that could not be determined by someone with their eyes closed: For example, colors, shapes, writing (could be difficult), pictures of specific people, or some other rather obvious, recognizable feature.

3. The changes should be removed before the sleep-mask is removed.

4. Write down anything that you experienced while asleep. Compare.

To be sure that various factors are not transferring information; to be sure that the results are not due to chance, positive results should be repeatable at least twice, preferably five times.

Well, if Dreamviews is the least "new-ageish" LD site on Earth, then perhaps I have no choice... perhaps on other forums the amount of dream sharing believers is 100%, not 62%... :)

Well, me, I'm glad I found this place. I'm a physics major, so that makes me very focused on truth rather than perception. I'd always wondered about dreams; and I was really tired of people just thinking about nothing but personal experience, rather than trying to figure out the why, how, and when of things.

Not that I'm a complete skeptic, mind you; I've experienced a few things that could be a little more than is explainable by the current laws of science. And, as I've mentioned before, I'm a Christian, which means I believe in the supernatural. And, besides, God just makes *sense* to me. (A note: I respect other people's views and have no problem with your believing in anything from atheism to Wicca to voodoo. I figure there's a truth we've all got a responsibility to discover, and that comparing beliefs is an essential part of that. Just so nobody flames me.)

I just think that the world has rules; and that includes things like dreams and ESP and dream-sharing and whatnot. Whether they exist or not is still up for grabs, but if they do, I'd like to figure out those rules. There's more to this world than we know about; and if there is, I'd like to see if I can understand it.

"Scientist" does not mean "closed-minded". It should mean the furthest thing from that--the willingness to test and explore just about anything.