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    Thread: Best brand for galantamine?

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      Best brand for galantamine?

      I read Yuschak's ALD: The Power of Supplements a couple of months ago and have been wanting to try the Galantamine + Choline combo. The only problem is that I can't find a Galantamine supplement anywhere in person. I've checked healthfood stores, nutrition stores, pharmacies, etc. and only tonight did I finally manage to find choline bitartrate, although it's 350mg which seems like an odd dosage. However Yuschak recommends 250-500mg so I'm sure it's fine.

      I've resolved to purchase Galantamine online, preferably 8mg. I see a lot of people using it here, so I'm wondering, what brand do you use? Thanks!

      EDIT: I'd also like to talk about other lighter "supplements" I already occasionally use, like Celestial Seasonings Sleepytime Tea, which when paired with honey seems to make my dreams more vivid (and definitely relaxes me). I also have used apple juice successfully in the past. Does anyone else use apple juice or tea+honey before bed for LDing? If so, how much and when? Or are these just placebos that add to the "ritual" of LDing?
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      Hmm... nobody responded to an easy one...

      GallantaMind is made by Life Enhancement, who is pretty reputable.

      Gallantamind comes with choline, and, happily, it does not include other often unhelpful ingredients they tend to put into this stuff. It should be available on Amazon, but I think iHerb also sells it.

      One caveat: I never read Yuschak's book, but hopefully in it he said that gallantamine does not make you lucid, it only helps; you still must have your mind in the right place.

      Good luck, and I hope my response wasn't too late!
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      In Europe, Galantamine is very difficult to get hold of (it is prescribed for Alzheimers), but www.intellimeds.net has it (well, currently they're out of stock). I tried to purchase it recently from them, but they took only crypto, which I did not have.

      By the way, in my experience Galantamine is so stimulating that falling asleep afterwards is almost impossible. In my view 8 mg is too much; go for 4 mg instead!

      My secret tip for enhancing chances of lucidity through ingestion is Guayusa; it's a coffe/tea-like beverage, which contains both caffeine (mentally stimulating), and L-theanine (mentally calming). It works remarkably well. Best taken at WBTB-time.
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      Thanks for the advice Sageous and Voldmer!

      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      GallantaMind is made by Life Enhancement, who is pretty reputable.
      I see two options on Amazon for Galantamind, both by Life Improvement and both very steep in price:
      Galantamind Plus ($150 for 180 capsules[!], but has a lot of filler and no Choline)
      Galantamind ($151 for 90 capsules[!!!], and has what seems like a good dosage of both--8mg Gal., 200mg Ch.)
      I want to try this supplement but I don't know if I'm $150 committed; also it's a pretty high quantity of something I'm not sure even works. Do these really have any added benefit over the more reasonable Relentless Improvement or DreamTech?

      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      One caveat: I never read Yuschak's book, but hopefully in it he said that gallantamine does not make you lucid, it only helps; you still must have your mind in the right place.
      Yuschak does definitely cover this, and emphasizes that these supplements can only help get your brain chemistry "tuned" or optimized for LDing. He does however claim that Gal. + Ch. will give "High Level Lucids" once you do get lucid, defined in one of the first chapters as longer-lasting, more vivid, easier to recall, etc. (depending on the supplement combo). He also explains what's happening with neurotransmitters based on the supplement combo, timing and peak plasma levels, tolerance, etc. I would really recommend giving it a read as it's free and pretty short if you skip the chapters you're not as interested in, for me the Nicotine, Yohimbe, Mucuna Pruriens.
      Also, since getting lucid is not really a big problem for me, but rather acheiving what he terms High Level Lucids, I'm quite interested to try this and see if what he's claiming is true.

      Quote Originally Posted by Voldmer View Post
      By the way, in my experience Galantamine is so stimulating that falling asleep afterwards is almost impossible. In my view 8 mg is too much; go for 4 mg instead!

      My secret tip for enhancing chances of lucidity through ingestion is Guayusa; it's a coffe/tea-like beverage, which contains both caffeine (mentally stimulating), and L-theanine (mentally calming). It works remarkably well. Best taken at WBTB-time.
      Thanks for the advice on 4mg, I'll look for that specifically (that way if it's too little I can still stack up to 8mg). I had never heard of Guayusa, will have to try and find it around somewhere.
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      An alternative to Galantamine is Huperzine A, which is a lot easier to get hold of, a lot cheaper, and has similar action neurochemically. I've never found it as extreme as Galantamine, but that could be a dosage issue.
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      What dosage would you use for Huperzine?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Voldmer View Post
      An alternative to Galantamine is Huperzine A, which is a lot easier to get hold of, a lot cheaper, and has similar action neurochemically. I've never found it as extreme as Galantamine, but that could be a dosage issue.
      I did find this in several of the shops I was looking in for Gal. I think maybe I'll try this in the meantime before deciding on a brand for Gal. I do wonder how well it pairs with Choline though.

      Quote Originally Posted by NyxCC View Post
      What dosage would you use for Huperzine?
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      Quote Originally Posted by NyxCC View Post
      What dosage would you use for Huperzine?
      On the order of 100-200 micrograms.



      Quote Originally Posted by ZAD View Post
      I do wonder how well it pairs with Choline though.
      It can certainly be used without any Choline supplementation, but it works well with both Lecithine and Choline Bitartrate. Keep in mind that the effect of Galantamine and Huperzine is to knock Acetylcholinesterase out, so that whatever acetylcholine is present will survive longer than it normally would. Supplying extra Choline could be going over the top. I would start off without extra Choline, before adding that to the show.
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      I have used both, with pretty much same results. Got WILDs and a tons of long DEILD chains. At times when I didn't get lucid, I was thinking maybe that capsule/tablet didn't have enough of the active ingredient, but I'm more inclined to think, that it just wasn't the right time with right conditions.

      GalantaMind by Life Enhancements
      - capsules
      - 4 mg
      - also has vitamin B5
      - and 100mg of choline citrate
      - online (amazon)

      Galantamine by Relentless Improvement
      - tiny pills, much easier to swallow than capsules
      - 4 mg
      - online (amazon)

      I have also used choline by Twinlab
      - choline bitartrate
      - 300 mg
      - can be found in Health stores, like Sprouts

      and Alpha GPC by NOW
      - 300 mg

      Alpha GPC is a choline, and this one can be used as a lucid trigger by itself. I did get a WILD with just that a few times. But I have also gotten WILDs without any supplements. I feel though, that Alpha GPC did help.

      My combo is:

      600mg Alpha GPC
      4-8mg galantamine

      Since Alpha GPC and GM have different times of reaching peak concentration, I don't take them at the same time. I go to sleep for about 3-4 hrs. Then I take Alpha GPC, go straight back to sleep for another hour. I wake up, stay up for about an hour, then take GM and go to sleep. It takes me about an hour to fall asleep. If I fall asleep about an hour after laying down, that's exactly when GPC reaches it's peak after 3 hrs, and GM after one hour. If anybody is interested, some more details here https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/gab/index11.html

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      I'm gonna give mine suggestion as well. This is full complex for increasing one brain power, but be careful not to become like Mojo-Jojo XD

      Natrol Memory Complex Tablets, 60. Here a link to amazon:https://www.amazon.com/Natrol-Memory.../dp/B000Q3ZZOC

      I don't think I will ever get the bravery to try galantamine, because of the fear of messing with my mind. You can say, I'm not into drugs, but more natural blend like L-theanine, long release melatonin, lemon balm(100mg/3mg/100mg) are fine. If you sleep to much with this, you can add 10-20mg caffeine, it's perfect for WILD and VILD.
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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      Galantamine by Relentless Improvement
      - tiny pills, much easier to swallow than capsules
      - 4 mg
      - online (amazon)
      Okay, glad someone has tried the Relentless Improvement brand, that makes me feel a lot more comfortable pulling the trigger!

      Quote Originally Posted by Voldmer View Post
      It can certainly be used without any Choline supplementation, but it works well with both Lecithine and Choline Bitartrate. Keep in mind that the effect of Galantamine and Huperzine is to knock Acetylcholinesterase out, so that whatever acetylcholine is present will survive longer than it normally would. Supplying extra Choline could be going over the top. I would start off without extra Choline, before adding that to the show.
      Excellent point here, I'll keep this in mind.

      Thanks everyone for the info & insight! After the holiday season is over and I'm done with all the traveling and feasting, I think I'll perform once-weekly trials based on these suggestions. Here's a rough layout of what I'm planning, I'll post status updates after each trial:

      Trial #1: (Dec 31-Jan 6)
      Huperzine A, 100mcg taken during WBTB.

      Trial #2: (Jan 7-Jan 13
      Huperzine A again. Depending of the success of the first trial, may up the dosage to 200mcg and/or add Choline since I already own that and have achieved a short WILD the only night I tried it.

      Trial #3: (Jan 14-Jan 20)
      Galantamine only, 4mg taken during WBTB.

      Trial #4: (Jan 21-Jan 27)
      Galantamine 4-8mg depending on #3's success, Choline 350mg taken during WBTB.

      Trial #5: (Jan 28-Feb 3)
      Galantamine 8mg, Alpha GPC 600mg taken as described by gab.
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