Which book?

I was wondering which book should I get for lucid dreaming. "Lucid Dreaming: A Concise Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and in Your Life" or "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming"? Also I would like to know what each book explains.

EDIT: lol, made a stupid reply. *Does homework next time*

The problem with reading La Barge, though, is that he is one of the leading advocates of Lucid Dreaming as a mode of totally controlling one's dreams, an idea that is no longer supported by any of the research being done or supported by most Lucid Dreamer's experiences.

Now, people always complain when this Quasi Religious Doctrine of Dream Control is questioned by anybody... apparently people think that it can only be achieved if one has a Perfect Faith in it.

But since La Berge had been promoting ideas that we know are no longer valid, then why is it that we would send people to his Books which are, well, behind the times, behind the curve, and out of date.

If somebody wants to read something, then, for free, one can read this collection of contemporary essays regarding Lucid Dreaming, and get away from the New Age Guru Types who come up with their Ideas only as a means of Sensationalizing their Week End Seminars (didn't we just have somebody post in saying that they were spending a Weekend giving money to La Berge for the privelege of being WOWed with new improbabilities. Yet, I'm sure it will be entertaining.).

Here is the URL to those essays: http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/tableof.htm

I strongly suggest avoiding any of the spiritual mumbo-jumbo bullshit such as the website pushing the edge-spiritual-stuff mentioned in another post and reading work by those with braincells, like La Berge's work. Those poo-pooing his invaluable contributions (such as the authors of some websites mentioned) are just jealous folk that don't have anything more constructive to do with their worthless pseudo-existences.

Go with the tried-and-true laboratory research...

"Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" is my LD handbook, wouldn't trade it for any other. :thumbup:

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Originally posted by Barbizzle
Id say go with \"Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming\" first beacse it is written by Stephen Laburge. Then read the other so you get a different or complementry view. I am reading LaBurg's book right now, and i like it. it basicly explains lucid dreams and how to have them.

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But the first book is also written by Stephen LaBerge :?

Well "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" is a really thorough as well as a very understandable and "well put" book in my opinion.

For people who don't have the money for all the books they want, there is a lovely resource... libraries.

I know: They don't have the book you want. Well, go bug the reference people; most libraries have Interlibrary Loan (in-state) or even special request services (the whole country). Of course this only works if you are in America, though quite possibly many other countries have similar (or better) library networks.

Me=Poor College Student=Addicted To Libraries!

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Originally posted by Callista
For people who don't have the money for all the books they want, there is a lovely resource... libraries.

I know: They don't have the book you want. Well, go bug the reference people; most libraries have Interlibrary Loan (in-state) or even special request services (the whole country). Of course this only works if you are in America, though quite possibly many other countries have similar (or better) library networks.

Me=Poor College Student=Addicted To Libraries!

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Umm my question was "which book?" not "where can I get a book for free?"

You implied that you didn't want to buy both; I assumed you would have if you'd had the money; so I gave an idea how you could have both.

There's the reasoning...

What I meant by which book I should get I was just wondering which book would be best use of my time because I don't want to read a book that won't help me a lot.

Exploring the world of lucid dreaming, is mostly for diehard lucid dreamers. But if your new to the topic you may find it interesting enough to move through it's thorough techniques and detailed ideas.

It's a very long book, but completely covers everything on lucid dreaming. It is something you can trust and use as your basis.

A lot of information in the tutorials and such, on this site is condensed from LaBerge's writings. Check out the tutorials section. But ExploringTWOF is definetly an acountable book.

Hey 7,

Another book I would recommend kind of as an on the side deal is a book called "The High Performance Mind" (Anne Wise, I think).

I found it to be a very comprehensive, straight to the point and informative book that deals specificly with how our brainwaves function during the different states of mind such as sleep, dreaming, meditation etc. It's main focus is to teach the reader how to control their brainwaves. With this skill that can be developed, you can teach yourself to do self hypnosis -- which can be used to lucid dream.

I highly recommend LaBerge's first book, the one that was simply titled "Lucid Dreaming."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/034533355...283155&v=glance

Way more scientific and scholarly, not all self-helpish as EWOLD. The first reviewer on that link recommends the opposite, so I suppose some people are more interested in that allegorical pandering LaBerge uses in EWOLD (stories of Nasrudin and constant references to "the yogi"). If you are too, you could certainly do worse than read EWOLD.

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Originally posted by Tornado Joe
Another book I would recommend kind of as an on the side deal is a book called \"The High Performance Mind\" (Anne Wise, I think).

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Dah!!!

Kim, this is the book that I've been trying to think of for the past few days. Wise marketed a brainwave biofeedback product called the "Mind Mirror," and this book, when I read it in an earlier edition, was about her stories and experiences testing the MM on people and using it to help them solve their problems, as well as how she used it in her counseling practice. Her stories on students and education had me all starry-eyed.

Amazone link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087477850...283155&v=glance

Here's her page on the device:
http://www.annawise.com/the_work/the-work-content.html

It was incredibly expensive and never moved beyond DOS. Wise's book, and other books of this sort that mention brain scan studies, are why I think people are ready for consumer EEG devices, if they can be made cheaply and user-friendly. It is mostly scientific but it has so many ideas for how to use such a device, and even some thought-provoking musings. She is the one, I think, who finishes her book with a remarkable story of how she reversed and cured a degenerating eyesight her doctors said was incurable and would leave her blind. Whether it was because of her use of the MM, or something else, remains a mystery without further testing.