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Hi,
I'm trying a technique from a site called obe4u and I'm trying to do step 2 straight from sleep and want to know how I can visualize myself awakening during sleep because part of the technique says you have to awaken during sleep in order to be successful.
Any advice?
Thanks.
You're trying to set the intention of waking up in the night by visualizing?
From the title of the website, they probably mean they have to visualize themself waking up to get closer to having an OBE or something like that. Or maybe they misunderstood and the technique means that you have to wake up in the night, similar to when you WBTB, WILD or maybe to when you DEILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
It's where you awaken in the middle of the night. I'm trying from step 2 and on because my relatives hate hearing the alarm in the morning. I just needed tips/advice on how to get a strong intention to awaken in the night multiple times. I've tried their practical alarm and it didn't awaken me because my sleep is dep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draeger
Thanks.
So I guess it was the latter option, Draeger, but I don't think they misunderstood.
Luffy, you are trying to use visualization. That's a specific strategy. I suggest you look up how to set intention.
You're going to want to simply intend to wake up during the night (perhaps before dreams so you can enter them consciously immediately or whichever timing you choose). There's not necessarily much to visualize but if you want to, you can imagine yourself waking up at night to prepare for your next steps (a bit like if you were daydreaming or remembering an event). It's that simple. To strengthen your intention, you might want to repeat it or use a mantra.
Making the mantra was also an option. Luckily I have some audios from 2016 that I got from another computer so is it good to play them before sleep and then play them after waking up after 6 hours but before going back to sleep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
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Could you or anyone else give some keywords I can google or what strategy I can use to awaken during the night? I'm reading the free pdf from obe4u and it has a detailed chapter on their free technique plus how to practice techniques etc..
Thanks.
I need to know a good google search term / URL for setting a strong intention. Every time I look at a page it isn't close to the obe4u version.
Thanks.
I am not a fan of playing audios. You need to set an intent... intentionally.
I think you want to look into MILD (mnemonic induction of lucid dream), especially where it includes affirmation and visualization. The technique is about lucid dreaming but you can intend to wake up. Here's a link to help out: MILD - world of lucid dreaming
Don't complicate things. You most likely already know how to intend doing something. This technique will not result in a 100% success rate, obviously. It will increase chances of waking up.
I'll suggest to you a different technique. You can create a habit of waking up at night by drinking water before sleep (not too much, just, staying hydrated) and expect the need to pee to wake you at night. Go pee, and then do your LD practice. I think this technique can even be more reliable.
I like my current intention technique, and I have had 2 lucid nights this week since starting it. I am using a large crystal "manifestation" quartz point (that's one that has a baby quartz growing inside of the bigger crystal, metaphysically, this represents manifesting desires). I meditate with it every night, renewing my intention to have lucid dreams. I repeat the mantra in my head for about 5 minutes. I also make an offering that should I be granted lucid dreams, I will use them for learning shamanic healing practices (I heard that making it less about our selfish desires, and more about others will make it easier to manifest / use law of attraction). Then I put the crystal on my night stand.
Just an idea? It may be just in the mind.. but.. then again.. everything is in the mind.
I'm going to steal your visualization idea and use it to deepen the meditation. Thanks. (visualizing looking at my hands in dream state)
On the same topic, what is the difference between(just an examples)
"I want to wake up at 3am"
"I will wake up at 3am"
"I'm waking up at 3am"
Which one is an intention or all of them are intentions? And what about expectation, can a expectation cancel the intention. I never did any MILD before, so I'm not very into setting an intention. Of course more time than not I can make myself wake up before the alarm to shut it down. Let's say if I can wake up myself out of sleep, why I cannot wake up myself inside the dream?
Because you haven't set the pattern for it. You set a pattern for waking yourself up at a certain time. Once you do something a few times, your mind/body will create a pattern for doing it again. Which may be one reason that lucid dreaming is like a snowball effect. It's hard to get started, but once you've got some successes building, it gets better and better.Quote:
Originally Posted by michael79
I would do... "I wake up at 3am." You don't want to do future tense. That tells your subconscious you don't want it right now. You don't want to say you "want" to do it. That tells your subconscious you want to want something - not actually do that something, just want it! The "I'm" one is ok. But I prefer to say it like it's always been that way - so - "I wake up at 3 am."
As I say that was just an example, the real struggle is to dream about being alone in the dream.Quote:
I would do... "I wake up at 3am." You don't want to do future tense. That tells your subconscious you don't want it right now. You don't want to say you "want" to do it. That tells your subconscious you want to want something - not actually do that something, just want it! The "I'm" one is ok. But I prefer to say it like it's always been that way - so - "I wake up at 3 am."
I came with these phrases:
When I wake up I will be alone.
I'm alone.(this is a statement in which I'm not sure)
I want a dream in which I'm alone.(my subconscious was giving what I want when I was a kid)
I'm dreaming being alone.
All my dreams starts from the bathroom. (In which of course I'm alone^^)
The most important thing is what's your intention when saying those phrases.
I think my favorite is "I'm alone" if you are simultaneously intending to dream about being alone. It's the phrase where I was feeling it the most and could most naturally start visualizing the intention.
But yes, these phrases are all "intentions" if they are paired with intentions. An intention, is actually kind of like an impulse. Imagine having the impulse to go get a snack. It's that feeling. During meditation, you can isolate impulses as they arise (the impulse to scratch yourself or to go do something). You don't need to say a phrase for the impulse to arise. So use any phrase, but the important thing is for the intention/impulse to be there.
Yes, expectation (belief) will come into play. If you are trying to dream about being alone to avoid the dream police archetype for example, it will not work because you are giving that expectation (belief) more strength ("I'm alone, so that I can avoid the dream police" --> *dream police finds you). In this case, you want to work on understanding/believing there are no rules, no police, no trespassing, no conflict... you are in fact alone: "I'm alone" ("I'm alone, because in a dream, I am truly alone" --> success).
I also have exploring the world of lucid dreaming print copy and it says to stay still and ask yourself "what was I just dreaming" "what was I just thinking" "what was I just feeling" I remember doing it before and got 4 to 5 dreams recalled a day/morning. It's almost like the phase (which I also have a print copy of). In the phase, it says not to do it daily and only do/think of the technique 2 to 3 days a week. I just needed a guide on how to set an intention that other people have used before to do the obe4u technique since I've done it in 2013 and want to do it again.
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If I don't get the obe4u technique to work I'm going to try exploring the world of lucid dreaming around Christmas time.
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How do I use my past affirmations for step 3 of the world of lucid dreaming with these affirmations
I stay still while (upon) awakening
I awaken multiple times during sleep
And practice the phase now
I experience my awareness out of body.
My perception exists out of body.
My awareness exists out of body.
My consciousness exists out of body.
My consciousness exits out of body.
I awaken during sleep and on each awakening I experience the phase
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Also one of the "exit" techniques is to imagine that you're already at the place you want to explore
For me, these are NYC and Mars.
Thanks.
Excellent post. I feel like I just learned something from it. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
I also recall when doing the obe4u technique that I awoke my self every 30 to 40 minutes with an alarm (a program like Xtreme clock or Alarmy). I'm currently on a once-weekly diabetes injection along with insulin.
Thanks for any replies to this post.
I like that especially the impulse example. Which give me an interesting idea to mix the internal with external world:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
Actually I'm not believing in dream police, I want to be alone because in my dream journal I found when I'm alone at the starting of the dream I'm becoming lucid 90% of the time, when there are dream characters around, they always put me in their little schemes.Quote:
Yes, expectation (belief) will come into play. If you are trying to dream about being alone to avoid the dream police archetype for example, it will not work because you are giving that expectation (belief) more strength ("I'm alone, so that I can avoid the dream police" --> *dream police finds you). In this case, you want to work on understanding/believing there are no rules, no police, no trespassing, no conflict... you are in fact alone: "I'm alone" ("I'm alone, because in a dream, I am truly alone" --> success).
Today I was alone in my dream, but a trap was already set for me, a full table of sweet candy, pastry and apple pie together with soft drinks:burp:. I thought to myself I can eat as much as I want, because I can't get fat in a dream, but I still didn't get lucid. :cackle:
Ohh, what do you mean, an idea to mix the internal with external world? I'm curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by michael79
Ah, I agree with you! I also realize that dreams where I'm alone and very little is happening, just walking around in a house or on the streets, are much more likely to be lucid. I was actually thinking of trying to use that to my advantage like you! But I'm not too sure how. I think I'll try your technique of setting an intention for a lonely dream too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by michael79
It's pretty simple actually, I intend to place a paper with sign on it "blue orb" and put it in a box on shelves in my living room. I will build an intention/impulse(strong desire) when I'm dreaming to go and see the orb and play with it, if it is there then I'm dreaming. During the day I will make random checks to see is the orb there, like a reality check. It will be like dream task.Quote:
Originally Posted by Occipitalred
That is another good idea, I also like exploring/walking dreams, which again spark a discovery. How to emulate lucid/awareness feeling during a dream? What we are doing when we exploring? We are searching for new interesting or strange things, so we have curiosity and we are observant about our surroundings which translates into pure awareness, increased awareness can lead to a Lucidity.;)Quote:
Ah, I agree with you! I also realize that dreams where I'm alone and very little is happening, just walking around in a house or on the streets, are much more likely to be lucid. I was actually thinking of trying to use that to my advantage like you! But I'm not too sure how. I think I'll try your technique of setting an intention for a lonely dream too :)
Both of these ideas I just have wrote them in my dream journal.
I'm going to try to awaken myself during sleep Fri-Sun if it doesn't work by Christmas time I'm going to use the book Exploring the world of lucid dreaming.
Thanks for all the replies.
I used an alarm to awaken when I was supposed to awaken on my own. I set the alarm every 20 minutes after 4 - 7 hours of sleep. Can someone tell me a recommended awakening time in place of the 20 minutes?
Thanks.