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I killed a DC last night in a lucid dream, for almost no reason (he had tried to fight me but I turned him into a giant, immobile slug. He was defenseless), and I felt horrible about it. I know this is a strange question, but if it is wrong to murder in the waking world, is it wrong to murder while you're asleep?
Peace,
Jack D.
Hehe, I don't think anyone gets hurt when u kill a DC :-PQuote:
Originally posted by Jack D.
I killed a DC last night in a lucid dream, for almost no reason (he had tried to fight me but I turned him into a giant, immobile slug. He was defenseless), and I felt horrible about it. I know this is a strange question, but if it is wrong to murder in the waking world, is it wrong to murder while you're asleep? *
Peace, *
Jack D.
So no, It's not wrong.
Most of my DC's start it anyway, so I say bring 'em on. :putemuppunk:
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Originally posted by Oneironaut
Most of my DC's start it anyway, so I say bring 'em on. :putemuppunk:
hehe, I cant realy wait for my next LD, going to fight with all the people I don't like. :D
I've killed plenty of DC's before, but I don't know. This one was different somehow. It was a lot more personal. Probably because I actually commanded it, I was forced to confront it.
I raised my hand, and actually said, "Death," at which point he collapsed, and I went off to have sex. But, the question of morality posed itself almost immedietly, which really screwed the rest of the dream. I don't know. I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
If you're doing horrible things in your dreams, aren't you still doing horrible things?
lol :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by Jack D.
I raised my hand, and actually said, "Death," at which point he collapsed, and I went off to have sex.
I think it is still murder even though its in a dream, it must still have an effect on you if not more than while you're awake, as it did. At least you felt guilty about it. If things in your dreams are a part of you, why not accept them instead of resisting.
that depends on your morality -example. lets say a man rapes a woman in real life. and lets say the other fantisizes about raping a woman every day of his life, and most especially when hes next to one - is he doing anything wrong?
the other thing you gotta remember is dreams can be symbolic - you killing someone in a dream can be symbolic of something. this is taken from dreammoods.com
"To dream that you have committed a murder, indicates that you are putting an end to an old habit and your former ways of thinking. This could also mean an end to an addiction. Alternatively, you may have some repressed aggression or rage at yourself or at others. Note also that dreams of murder occur frequently during periods of depression."
and even if you ARE lucid, your actions are still affected by your subconscious thoughts!
I agree, though I'd seriously worry about someone if they consciously made a choice to rape someone in a lucid dream because they thought it would be fun, that can't be healthy!
Something to think about is not necessarily if its hurting anyone else but if it is hurting you. Raping and murdering people in dreams might train your mind to think like that. And while you probably wont go and do these things irl, it cant be healthy to think about that all the time.
I personally think it depends upon the situation. If you are being assaulted by a bunch of insane maniacs with switchblades, then what do you do? You kill them, and haven't done anything wrong even if you could have just commanded them to be peaceful, they attacked, you hit back and killed them, fair fight. On the other hand if you turn them into a giant, immobile slug that is completely defenseless, and then yell "death", then I would say that is rather senseless and violent, and completely immoral. But I believe that it is good that you DO feel guilty, showing that you do have a sense of morality, and know what you did was wrong, and are not an insane murderous serial killer.Quote:
Originally posted by Jack D.
I killed a DC last night in a lucid dream, for almost no reason (he had tried to fight me but I turned him into a giant, immobile slug. He was defenseless), and I felt horrible about it. I know this is a strange question, but if it is wrong to murder in the waking world, is it wrong to murder while you're asleep? *
Peace, *
Jack D.
I won't hide the fact that i am looking forward to eventually, when i am good enough at lucid dreaming, getting into a fight with a DC. It would be fun to have a recurring LD fight club.
Not in a lucid dream. If you're conciously shaping/controlling your situation, then how is anything in the dream somehow subconciously symbolic?Quote:
Originally posted by juroara
the other thing you gotta remember is dreams can be symbolic - you killing someone in a dream can be symbolic of something. this is taken from dreammoods.com
My dreams have revolved around fighting since I was a kid. To be honest, I think it has a lot to do with the sort of fiction I've always loved (superheroes, melodramas, etc). I've always loved fighting the bad guys, developing powers and techniques, and living out adventures.Quote:
Originally posted by .jared.
I won't hide the fact that i am looking forward to eventually, when i am good enough at lucid dreaming, getting into a fight with a DC. It would be fun to have a recurring LD fight club.
Yeah, dreams are awesome. We're so lucky to have them.
Do you like to kick or punch people in dreams? is one example, and there are plenty of other topics on this.
As I have said before, if we were all ideal people, I don't think people would be violent, consciously, or when dreaming. I think how we act subconsciously is a truer version of our waking selves. I believe such a sign of aggression in dream land is pointing out a flaw, a defect in us, and one should work to remedy it.
Usually I don't kill people though, if I do cause significant damage, they always keep getting back up. About the third time, I stop knocking the crap out of them. Here's one example when I was worse than I needed to be.
I was in a bowling alley, and noticed several female friends bowling. I picked up one of them, and took her to my dream apartment. I pulled off her underwear, to find a penis, instead of her clitoris. I was so mad at her for being a crossdresser, so I turned her over, gave her a tombstone piledriver, and broke her neck. Then I took her back to the bowling alley, and did it three more times right in front of her friends to add emphasis, as if to say "That's what happens when you cross dress, none of you other ladies better be like that".
I decided that if such a thing would happen again, I would simply suck on it and see what happens. Since then, it has not happened.
yea, i mean if you are you're fully conscious of what you're doing in a dream, I think it would be better refraining yourself from taking advantage to the point of committing a serious wrong. Even though it may seem harmless, I think it could have influence on you, and it could cause you to even get the desire in your waking life. You feel guilty and that is good, but it is also a sign of your conscience working. If you feel it is wrong you should stop. If you don't and you continue doing it, it will start to feel normal after a while and you will get used to it. I really think that could distort your feelings in your waking life too and your morality might diminish somewhat.
Why should you feel bad, you killed a slug, an imaginary one at that.
becuase the conscious in the waking world is influenced by the subconscious - it DOES not act alone. and the subconscious is shaped by our conscious decisions. the two act together - never alone. it is after all one mind.Quote:
Originally posted by Jack D.
Not in a lucid dream. If you're conciously shaping/controlling your situation, then how is anything in the dream somehow subconciously symbolic?
example - a man is busy at work, focused and thinking very intently on all the papers in front of him. someone walks by and mutters "going for a smoke" and suddenly he wants to smoke..REALLY REALL BABDLY. why do the words "going for a smoke" create a strong desire?? "going for a smoke" wouldn't create strong desire if the man doesn't smoke right? he was NOT consciously thinking about a smoke - a desire simply happened INSTANTLY.
the subconscious remembers that the man likes to smoke and creates a strong desire to smoke again. thats how the two parts of the mind interacts. the subcon. sorta holds all of our memories and experiences, and if we repeat experiences it creates a tendency. the desire to smoke again is a tendency. and the conscious mind makes the decision. and depending whether or not the conscious chooses to smoke, it will either reinforce the tendency to smoke again or bring it down. this is why hypnotizing yourself can help you get over an addiction. becuase you are basically telling your subcon. "stop making me desire it!"
and in my little scenario, all though the desire to smoke is high the man thinks to himself "noo...can't go for a smoke now. too busy!!"
by not deciding to smoke the man influences his subcon. so the next time the man hears "going for a smoke" the subcon. does not create such a strong desire.
:D being lucid means your thoughts can control the dream..but are you really in control of your thoughts??? there are a lot of ways subcon. symbols can sneak into a lucid dream. and most expecially for us more insane members here! :banana:
You're absolutely right, anyone who kills in a dream WILL kill in the real world.Quote:
Originally posted by juroara
becuase the conscious in the waking world is influenced by the subconscious - it DOES not act alone. and the subconscious is shaped by our conscious decisions. the two act together - never alone. it is after all one mind.
example - a man is busy at work, focused and thinking very intently on all the papers in front of him. someone walks by and mutters "going for a smoke" and suddenly he wants to smoke..REALLY REALL BABDLY. why do the words "going for a smoke" create a strong desire?? "going for a smoke" wouldn't create strong desire if the man doesn't smoke right? he was NOT consciously thinking about a smoke - a desire simply happened INSTANTLY.
the subconscious remembers that the man likes to smoke and creates a strong desire to smoke again. thats how the two parts of the mind interacts. the subcon. sorta holds all of our memories and experiences, and if we repeat experiences it creates a tendency. the desire to smoke again is a tendency. and the conscious mind makes the decision. and depending whether or not the conscious chooses to smoke, it will either reinforce the tendency to smoke again or bring it down. this is why hypnotizing yourself can help you get over an addiction. becuase you are basically telling your subcon. "stop making me desire it!"
and in my little scenario, all though the desire to smoke is high the man thinks to himself "noo...can't go for *a smoke now. too busy!!"
by not deciding to smoke the man influences his subcon. *so the next time the man hears "going for a smoke" the subcon. does not create such a strong desire. *
:D being lucid means your thoughts can control the dream..but are you really in control of your thoughts??? there are a lot of ways subcon. symbols can sneak into a lucid dream. and most expecially for us more insane members here! *:banana:
I dont know why your sarcasm is for my post...??? it has little to do with what I posted about???Quote:
Originally posted by Awhislyle
You're absolutely right, anyone who kills in a dream WILL kill in the real world.
my post on the conscious and subconscious are based on the most widely accepted ideas. nothing religious, spiritual or the like. science can only say so little on it - but the idea of the subconscious is important in modern psychology.
http://www.peter-masters.com/control_book/chap003.html
http://www.iloveulove.com/spirituality/bud...ubconscious.htm
http://decadcorp.com/consciousVSsubconscious.htm
http://www.lifepositive.com/Mind/psycholog...py/hypnosis.asp
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~taflinge/psych1.html