Anyone here prefer non-lucid dreams?

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07-03-2006, 02:03 AM
King and God

Anyone here prefer non-lucid dreams?

Nowadays I prefer regular non-lucid dreams. I find those more interesting since they are more exciting.

If being attacked by some creature in a lucid dream, for example, I can feel confident as I know it is a dream and I can't be killed. In a non-lucid, however, I have to conquer fear and defeat the enemy.

It also makes me feel better about myself when overcoming fear in a dream, when thinking that it is real.

And another good thing is that things feel more random in non-lucids, making it more overall interesting. If I have a lucid dream, I always chose to do the same thing: find hot chick to have sex with, causing me to wake up shortly after.
07-03-2006, 02:34 AM
BeautifulDreamer

I thonk non LD's are good, but would much prefer a LD. I'd have to get really boreed to not love them, and frankly, I'm not.
07-03-2006, 02:47 AM
BillyBob

you just have to get yourself to do more stuff, I used to always have sex in my LDs but now i explore new lands and commune with my DCs, LDs can be extremely random if you let them. (don't always tell your subconscious what to make, let it think up stuff for itself every now and then :D)
07-03-2006, 03:29 AM
King and God

I suspect it will just be like talking to myself: the character says what I think it will say, making it quite pointless.

I will try it the next time I have a lucid dream nonetheless, though. And hopefully my lust will not take over.
07-03-2006, 04:19 AM
BillyBob

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Originally posted by King and God
hopefully my lust will not take over.

lmao

If you expect them to be idiotic robots then they most like will indeed be idiotic robots.

in your dreams you get what you expect
07-03-2006, 04:31 AM
Seeker

It's all about balance folks. Non lucid dreams, lucids in which you go with the flow, and lucids where you control everything.

I feel you need a good balance for mental health.

Maybe a good balance is:
75% non lucid
20% lucid, go with the flow
5% lucid control everything
07-03-2006, 04:36 AM
Distant Clone

Yeah, I think I'm one of the few advocates of vivid non-lucids over lucid dreams. Leo Volont may be the other.

The main reason is that I like to think that the subconscious is a more accurate reflection of the conscious. My actions while non-lucid are much more important than my lucid behavior. Also, I like the cruise control feature of non-lucids. I don't have to worry about FAs or losing control. I simply incubate what I want to happen, and I attract those type of dreams.

Of course, I tend to go after women in lucids too. I think dreams are purposeful, and provided by the subconscious as an outlet for spiritual refinement. To become lucid and just ignore everything that's there is entirely disrespectful. I like to have a good relationship with my subconscious.
07-03-2006, 04:12 PM
Krista

I like them both a lot, but the thing about non-lucid dreams I like the most is how they're more unpredictable than LDs. Since you can decide what to do in LDs where you have control, they're more predictable than non-lucids where you don't even know that you're in a dream.
07-03-2006, 04:44 PM
TygrHawk

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Originally posted by Krista
but the thing about non-lucid dreams I like the most is how they're more unpredictable than LDs. Since you can decide what to do in LDs where you have control, they're more predictable than non-lucids where you don't even know that you're in a dream.

I suppose that's true to a point, but I've had some pretty unpredictable things happen in LDs. :P
07-03-2006, 06:35 PM
Seeker

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Originally posted by TygrHawk

I suppose that's true to a point, but I've had some pretty unpredictable things happen in LDs. :P

Yeah, case in point, last night I was looking at my hands in order to stabilize an LD that was beginning to fade. Warts started forming all over the palms of my hands, hundreds of them. I had to look away in disgust, can you say EWWWWWW!
07-03-2006, 07:20 PM
subzero364

Seeker, I like that list you got there, here's mine:

20% Non-Lucid
30% Lucid-Go with it
50% Lucid-Total Control

I seem to be able to make my totally lucid dreams very random, like another form of control. I just say to myself, "I want something totally random, now!" kind of letting go of some aspects of the control, and then I go wherever that takes me. Its like programming a 'random' function into a game. You still have total control of it, and can re-write the game however you want, but that random will always be random.

Thats how it's for me anyways. Cheers!
07-04-2006, 02:01 AM
LunarMoon

My lucid dreams are quite random. This is especially true for the scenery and plot, something I sometimes decide to follow. Just try not to force everything; try to relax a bit.
07-04-2006, 04:04 AM
Yesterday

I prefer non-lucid because all of my emotions are put into the dream as if it were all real. Realizing that it's not real is nice because you can control things and pretty much do whatever you feel like doing (with practice of course). However, for me, I find it nicer to wake up from a non-lucid so I can think about what happened and why it happened.
07-04-2006, 04:28 AM
Leo Volont

Re: Anyone here prefer non-lucid dreams?

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Originally posted by King and God
Nowadays I prefer regular non-lucid dreams. I find those more interesting since they are more exciting.

If being attacked by some creature in a lucid dream, for example, I can feel confident as I know it is a dream and I can't be killed. In a non-lucid, however, I have to conquer fear and defeat the enemy.

It also makes me feel better about myself when overcoming fear in a dream, when thinking that it is real.

And another good thing is that things feel more random in non-lucids, making it more overall interesting. If I have a lucid dream, I always chose to do the same thing: find hot chick to have sex with, causing me to wake up shortly after.

I was very ready to agree with you until you assumed that the Ordinary Dreaming Persona must be completely ignorant, untrained and inexperienced.

After all, what experience Dream Persona doesn already know that it cannot be killed in a dream. Well, every dreamer older then 24 SHOULD have reached that stage of Life Development where they have had the Dream of getting up from the Dead. This has nothing to do with Lucidity but is simply a Level of maturity reached in ordinary Dreaming.

But, yes, as to the General Question, before it got mucked up with absolute nonsense, there is much to be said for Ordinary Dreaming, that is in allowing the Dream Persona its uninterrupted Experience of a Dream from start to finish. For as useful as Lucidity can be in the Integration of the Waking Self to the Dream Persona, it is undeniable that in each Lucid Dream there is necessarily some break in the Continuity of the Dream. Where Dream are thought to have any value at all, then these breaks in continuity are to be lamented.

And then sometime Lucidity works alongside Ordinary Dreaming. For instance, there are those times when with the onset of a Spontaneous Lucidity, the Dreamer will use a Mantra, or Spinning, or Levitation and Flying to Lift the Level of the Dream to a Higher Sphere or Finer Strata of Vibration, and then, once there, to in effect hand the Dream back to the Dream Persona who will finish up the Dream.

After all, the Dream Persona is the Entity most fit for Dreaming in most cases. Several times while Lucid I had accidentally or inadvertantly accessed the Memory of my Dream Persona. My God! The Dream Persona is Dreaming ALL THE TIME, and not just when we are there to apply our small powers of Dream Recall. Once you let yourself into the Dream Personas Memory, one is amazed at the huge amounts of detail about all sorts of activities. It must be that the Dream Persona (paradoxically enough) never sleeps.

Anyway, what Lucidity does is that it brings the Waking Perspective to the Dream Persona. It is similar to a Revelation of a Religious Experience for the Dream Persona. This Being from a Civilized and Moral World has come to it and shown it The Way. Wow! but after this Revelation, once the Dream Persona has been Moralized and Civilized, then it no longer needs to be dogged and hounded forever by a Waking Self out to interrupt every Dream Scene and Unfolding Story.
07-04-2006, 05:42 PM
prufrock

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It also makes me feel better about myself when overcoming fear in a dream, when thinking that it is real.

And another good thing is that things feel more random in non-lucids, making it more overall interesting. If I have a lucid dream, I always chose to do the same thing: find hot chick to have sex with, causing me to wake up shortly after.[/b]

Ever tried looking at your lucid dreams as though they are real? I'm not talking about any kind of psychic, astrological jargon with energy channels and spheres of this and that. (By way of disclaimer let me state that I don't mean to bash this thinking in any way--but that particular frame of reference is not what I intend in this post.)

You have two states of consciousness: waking life and dreams. Speculations aside, the former seems to involve exterior references, while the latter occurs entirely in your head. However, does this make lucid dreams any less real than reality? Consider instead that by replacing the exterior references of waking life (time, books, other people, etc.) with references produced entirely by your own mind (dream characters and the like), you are able to explore your subconscious in a less abstract manner. What you see is still entirely real, but rather than being tangible and literal, it is a projection of the very real sentiments of your psyche.

Instead of simply eliciting sexual fantasies from your lucid dreams, try exploring your environment as a very real projection of your subconscious. Being lucid allows you to interpret what you see as you're experiencing it, rather than in retrospect when you wake up.
07-04-2006, 08:31 PM
Alric

The best dreams I have ever had are ones were I was not lucid. A lot of dreams are boring or random and don't make much sense and I would rather have a lucid dream than one of them, but there are some really good dreams. Dreams where you act like a totally different person, dreams with a very strong and connected story and dreams with friends are all kinds of dreams I have never had while lucid.

Lucid dreams can have stories but they are never as long or as good as normal dreams. And if your lucid, your almost always yourself. You can be slightly different but since you know its a dream it always has an effect on you, you can never totally be someone else. Some of the best dreams I have had are when I am someone else. Now dreams characters are anything but stupid and they never say what I expect them to say but I have never had a friend in a lucid dream. When your not lucid dream characters can be your friends, it could be real people or people you never seen except in that dream but its like you know them, you know stuff about them, you trust them and your like real friends. I have never had that in a lucid dream, possibly because you know who they are, or because the flow of the dream breaks and you lose the memory of them.
07-04-2006, 08:33 PM
Alric

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. Being lucid allows you to interpret what you see as you're experiencing it, rather than in retrospect when you wake up.

The best one are when it is so vivid that you are seeing as it happens, just as a lucid dream except that you don't know its a lucid dream.
07-05-2006, 06:22 AM
Jogah

I like the combination of both. I like starting out in a non-lucid then at some point making it lucid, exploring aspects of the dream I find myself in and then releasing control once again. I find that to be the most exciting lucid experience and it's much easier for me to think up my own wild stuff with some sort of a basis. As many have said however each have their pluses and minuses and both have good uses.
07-05-2006, 06:53 AM
grayegg

In a vivid dream where I had a lot of control, looking back I thought I could have convinced myself I was dreaming anytime, but decided to ignore the question since it might disrupt a fun dream. Situations like this is one reason why I haven't been interested in lucid dreams until recently.