Thread: Fear?

Originally Posted by Tanjoubi

I once read something about it but now I cannot find it.

I get scared alot in the the "Zone between sleeping and not sleeping" (What is the name of this state or place?).

I can't move, but I'm still awake, and I can sometimes even open my eyes and move nothing but my eyes.
I can only hear what is going on outside me a little.

But the fear...
I get the worse fear ever.
It's worse than any other fear I've ever felt, in my nightmares or in real life.

It feels like you're stuck there, and that something very, very evil is standing right behind you, right next to you, and very often right ON you, that it's evil gaze is pinning you down, immobilizing you in every way possible, so it can take your soul to a world of terror.

It feels like the most scary, evil thing ever, like it's going to chill you to the very core before killing you as slowly and painfully as physically possible.

Also, it feels like to look at it would shatter your mind and your heart, for it is the most fearful thing ever.

It might sound cynical or something, but it's true. It's exactly like that.
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You are talkign aobut sleep paralisis (SP). It happend when you are really close to entering a lucid dream. The best way to get over this fear is finding a way to get out of it quickly, so you know you can always get out if nessesary. Some peole move their eyes back and forth, concentrate on moving, ect. Expirment to find what works best for you.

To overcome the fear I suggest facing it. Remember, you are facing a hallucination. You cant run from it cause of SP and hiding from it makes it worse. To confront your fear face it, talk to the shadow. But dont plead for your life or beg it to leave. Ask it what it wants and why it is here.

It's not going to kill you, how often do you hear about people dying from something similar?

I have had sleep paralysis and I have to say it can be really scary. I woke up during night (so I thought), but I was in the middle of a paralysis. I tried to move, but I was unable to, because I did not know how to (the brain shuts of movement stuff when asleep). I thought I had became handicapped (not physically, but mentally forgotten how to move) while asleep somehow, and I was afraid I would never be able to move again.

It did not involve this evil man many people seem to have experienced, though. But I hope I will have a sleep paralysis involving him or something else that is scary.

And I have also had another sleep paralysis before this one, not involving this man either. In this one I did not attempt to move, as I moved through stages of sleep (I was lucid) and I did not want to ruin everything by trying to move at all, as that would have caused me to wake up. At that time I did not know it was a sleep paralysis; I thought it was just a short dream involving me lying in my bed.

I usually just swear that I'm awake while I should be sleeping. I don't know if person is considered sleeping or awake at this point.

When I wake up like this and I have that kind of fear I usually try to tell myself that I'm just too tired to move and that it will change nothing if I move and that my tired body needs to sleep.

EV: a hallucination? that's a hallucination? I thought that it is real...

Originally Posted by STsung

EV: a hallucination? that's a hallucination? I thought that it is real...
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Real? Nooooooo nonononono.

Old Hag, that some people such as the original poster, get during SP is nothing more than a hallucination. It's not real, there's no real demon or anything standing above you. It's just a nightmare created by a half-asleep mind to explain the fact that due to SP, the sleeper can't move.

Originally Posted by Tanjoubi

It feels like you're stuck there, and that something very, very evil is standing right behind you, right next to you, and very often right ON you, that it's evil gaze is pinning you down, immobilizing you in every way possible, so it can take your soul to a world of terror.

It feels like the most scary, evil thing ever, like it's going to chill you to the very core before killing you as slowly and painfully as physically possible.


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But you're an Atheist and don't believe in Good and Evil?

What you need is some bonafide Spiritual Protection. You need to connect with your Spiritual Guides, Guardian Angels or whatever is on the Other Side but on Your Side.

But this can become an elaborate and broad subject to discuss -- how one goes about acquiring Spiritual Protection and Patronage. Certainly no proud and arrogant Atheist can have much luck here... one needs to admit to the Spiritual Universe that one could use some help and that one is willing to Cooperate with that which is Goodness and Light. It is surprising how many people are too proud to admit and concede such a thing, which is only the only Right thing to do.

Once I dated this very crazy young woman who spoke endlessly of the Protections offered by the White Light. By that time I was more or less assured of my own avenues of Spiritual Protection and found her continuous preaching on the Protective Value of the White Light to be increasingly annoying. But, now that I think about it, if one does not already have any sense of Spiritual Protection, perhaps the quickest Short Cut is to invoke the White Light.

Now, where does the White Light come from? I've once seen it in a Dream. If one tears the Dream Scene open, or even Reality... if one were to reach out and tear open the fabric of space, then what pours out of the rended seam is the White Light. And, yes, it is very White. It is like burning magnesium relfecting in a bright chromium mirror... shimmering bright Whiteness.

Or one could invoke the Cosmic Christ or the Blessed Virgin Mother of God.... but so many people have such a huge grudge against Christianity, that even those High Entities that are Above all Worldly Politics seem to have been scandalized, tossed into disrepute and tarred by the same brush of disgrace that attaches to the Mundane Human Institutions that had misappropriated their Names for shallower ends. But if one can convince one's self that the Cosmic Christ has little or nothing to do with Pat Robertson or George Bush, and that the Blessed Virgin is not the personal property of that Ex-Nazi Pope Rat, then certainly it would be beneficial to Invoke their Divine Intercession.

Also, in regards to Ancestor Worship. If one has had any particularly good or noble Relatives who have passed on... who better to come to your protection.

Likewise with any famous Guru or Saint that is acclaimed for rendering Spiritual Protection.

Then their are certain Charms and Amulets -- Crucifixes, Rosary Beads, Saint Benedict Medals, 'Miraculous Medals' of Our Lady of Grace.

If one employs all or any of these devices and invocations, I can't help but to suppose that your rooms will be less inviting to the Demons who now torment you.

Originally Posted by Leo

But you're an Atheist and don't believe in Good and Evil?

What you need is some bonafide Spiritual Protection. You need to connect with your Spiritual Guides, Guardian Angels or whatever is on the Other Side but on Your Side.

Certainly no proud and arrogant Atheist can have much luck here... one needs to admit to the Spiritual Universe that one could use some help and that one is willing to Cooperate with that which is Goodness and Light. It is surprising how many people are too proud to admit and concede such a thing, which is only the only Right thing to do.
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Originally Posted by Leo

Or one could invoke the Cosmic Christ or the Blessed Virgin Mother of God.... but so many people have such a huge grudge against Christianity, that even those High Entities that are Above all Worldly Politics seem to have been scandalized, tossed into disrepute and tarred by the same brush of disgrace that attaches to the Mundane Human Institutions that had misappropriated their Names for shallower ends. But if one can convince one's self that the Cosmic Christ has little or nothing to do with Pat Robertson or George Bush, and that the Blessed Virgin is not the personal property of that Ex-Nazi Pope Rat, then certainly it would be beneficial to Invoke their Divine Intercession.


If one employs all or any of these devices and invocations, I can't help but to suppose that your rooms will be less inviting to the Demons who now torment you.
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Okay Who here needs the help of Christ, The Lord or The Virgin to Induce such ''High'' and ''SuperHuman'' States as Lucidity?

Certainly not me. Leo, you gotta stop Forcing your, Religuiously based, beliefs upon others man.
Accept that, whatever is out there, will be interpretated differently from person to person.
Now don't say a HEATHEN cannot possibly attain Lucidity since he or she doesn't have the Spiritual Insights and Understandings as ''Smart Believers'' have. I am an Agnost: Not knowing what to think about God, Faith and Religion. I have my own Ideas, but I won't build up some Theocratical Explanation for what I simply can never fully Understand: And I don't want too: life's a Wonderfull Mystery.

PS: Just out of Curiosity, may I ask what Religion do you follow? Or around what Religion are your Beliefs based around closest and mostly? Protestant? You come on a itty bit like a Baptist. Tell me, Leo.

But just because you see it a certain way that doesn't mean that OTHERS who see it differently, are WRONG. Maybe YOU are...ever concidered that? Be more open to other people's views. In my ideea there IS no Right or Wrong concerning these Spiritual Questions since hey are PERSONAL and Individual Truths: NOT Common, Universal, Truths as I see it. I'm open to suggestions, but this is what I have experienced myself and with other people so far.

We don't need Christ or any Religious ''enlightment'' to attain Lucidity.
I, Jewish of Cultural Background, NOT being Religious: having my own INDIVIDUAL beliefs, have had Lucid Dreams NATURALLY: All my youth. There's nothing ''High'' or ''Intellectual'' about Lucid Dreaming as it occurs Naturally (NOT SUPER-naturally IMO) I'm sure it happens to a thousand of people with an IQ around 100 (which means you're not quite a smart cooky for those who don't know ) have Lucid Dreams too: They will most likely think nothing much of it, except maybe thinking it was WEIRD, SCARY and they'll probably call it a ''Nightmare''.

Now Stop littering this Forum with Theological Nonsense and stick more to the BASICS of lucid Dreaming when trying to help and explain others on the Topic, Instead of throwing in as much arrogant and Ignorant Self-Interpretations.


It's funny that out of all people here YOU have such rude and harsh Criticism on People's ''Theories'' about Dreaming and such.

No we don't need no Church, Christ, The Lord, a Hereticly Worshipped Virgin or any of that Theocratical ''Enlightment'' to reach a ''highly aware of your own Spirituality''-level such as needed for Lucidity in Dreams, Meditation, Mental Wellbeing and Such.

If You want to Find Spiritual Enlightment, of any sort, I Strongly suggest you Search for it in YOURSELF, not In the teachings of the Church, Synagoge, Mosque or any existing Spiritual Religious Movement just ''handing out'', Ready to use Spirituality. I didn't write the bible, and allthough it may Inspire me, it can NEVER fully tune up to, for the full 100%, be the book where all my Spiritual and Theocratic answers lay: I have found my Own Spirituality by thinking and thinking and reading about the paradox ''life'' over and over.

No... let's leave Yehoshua, Lord Christ, out of this one shall we?
PS: being a Jew I greatly Igmire many of Christs Views on life. I didn't murder him by the way, and neither did my family nor their Ancestors. It'd have to be the Roman, later Roman Catholic, fascist Empire who killed beloved Christ

Tanjoubi, I've been sleep paralyzed twice and in one of them I remember something similar. I didn't see it, but it felt fairly overwhelming and 'evil', possibly classified as the Old Hag. However, I was not extremely horrified for some reason. Fortunately I got out of it quickly.

The other time, I could only move me head, eyes, and fingers! I wasn't scared at all, but fairly frustrated. I wanted to move! Then I woke up in reality.

You should now know this "evil" thing is NOT real. If you have this again, try to remember that it is NOT a real being. It will NOT hurt you. It will NOT kill you. You will NOT stay in this state forever. Possibly if you overcome your fear, you might even be able to get out of SP sooner. Who knows.

Hope it helps and you don't get it much if at all again. Best Wishes!



Eek, religion talk! All I have to say is respect other's religion and don't force it upon others!
-runs away from religion fussing-