Tip: How To Short-circuit Your Own Mental Resistance To Ld, Pronto!

Hello,

I'm not sure how many of you know of the works of Carlos Castaneda, the guy who supposedly had such a mastery over his dreams that he wrote all his best-selling books in them. Anyway, this tip comes from a book of conversations with him that is not very widely published.

In the book, a student is complaining that he has tried to dream (in Castaneda's books, dream is always in italics to differentiate it between a normal, uncontrolled dream) but has met with no success. Castaneda tells him that the student hasn't really, really been wanted to, or else he would have by now. "If you're serious that you want to *dream*," he says. "Prove it: don't eat or speak until you succeed. You will be astonished how quickly it will happen."

That's the advice, don't eat or speak until you succeed. When I read this, my first thought was, "what ridiculous advice! How am I supposed to go through an entire day, with a roommate, with hundreds of acquaintances I see everywhere, without speaking? What am I going to do, pretend I don't know them? And how am I supposed to survive without eating? I don't think I want to LD thaaat badly"

I moped around for a while feeling sorry for myself: on the one hand I couldn't dream, and on the other, I couldn't take this action to get me to dream. I felt trapped. Finally, something in me broke, I became furious, and I steeled myself to not speak or eat until success. It was a Friday so at least I wouldn't be going to classes until Monday. That just meant having an LD before Monday (hopefully!!). And if not, well I would figure something out before my classes began.

My first act was to go down to the grocery store to pick up enough fruit and vegetable juice to last me 2 months with lockjaw.

I have to go, to be continued!

That's interesting, I guess the hunger will drive you to have a lucid dream :mrgreen:

I might try something like this, except just with the eating. Nothing for me except water, milk (get to sleep faster), and dark chocolate (help dreams).

wow. i guess i can see the whole concept but still...wow

Sounds interesting, and effective! I know lots of people fast and such to achieve certain results, so why wouldn't it work for lucid dreams?

I might try it, except instead of not talking at ALL, I'm planning on only responding to questions, and even then with as few words as possible.

Please keep us posted on your results!

Part 2: The woman at the cash register gives me a really weird look when I show up with 30 euros worth of juice. She probably thinks I have just come off 3 weeks in the desert.

Things are going well so far. Of course, it's only been half an hour. When I get home, suddenly my roommate comes into my room, and asks me what I'm doing today. I freeze. He knows nothing about LD or my attempts to do it. I'm frantically trying to think of a way to not have to answer this question. While I'm thinking these thoughts, he's just standing there, wondering if the question was really that complicated. Finally, I come to the conclusion that emitting bodily sounds isn't speaking. I loudly grunt "huh?" and wave him away with my hand. He gives me a confused look and walks away clearly hurt by my rudeness. I feel awful. I immediately hurl myself onto my bed, commanding myself to LD and so that I can go explain to my roommate, but with no success. I take a sip of pear juice, and fall into a dark, dreamless sleep.

Later that day, after taking every backcorner route, diving into bathrooms, and hiding in nooks and crannies to avoid people I know, I manage to make my way to my school's computer lab. When checking my email account I discover that I had already made plans to go see a concert. Unlike my roommate, this friend hadn't seen me in a few days. I could have probably cancelled, but instead, I decide to tell this friend the truth. Then I come to my senses. My email: "Hey Robin, I can still go to the concert tonight, but I lost my voice this week, so I can't talk. If you don't mind doing most of the talking, see you at 8."

It's been 3 hours, and already I'm spending every free millisecond begging my subconscious for a LD.

At 8:15 I show up to the concert, V8 in hand, still without a clear idea how embarrassing not speaking can be.

Gotta go, more later.

this is well written and an exciting experiment. Hope you win!

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This sounds like a very stupid move. Sure lucid dreaming is cool. But honestly. Youre selling out REAL life in place of basically...a virtual reality. Lucid dreaming shouldn't cause real life to be horrible.

Wow, I admire your dedication! This might be just the thing I need. I'll try this someday soon. :)

This is a funny way to try to achieve an LD, but a vow of silence shouldn't be this stressful. Instead of focusing on not speaking, focus on listening. That is, don't focus on not doing something, focus on doing something else instead. That's part of the point of the silence. Just commit to it if you're going to do it, and look at those who speak to you with a great smile. They'll figure it out, or at least accept that you must be committed to doing something for some reason.

If speech is just a technicality you're avoiding in this experiment, like a self-imposed punishment, it won't do much for you. Make it an opportunity to focus inwards on your inner voice, and outwards on observing the world around you more closely. You might even drop the email and posting while you're at it, thus dropping verbal communication rather than the physical act of speaking. Good luck.

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This sounds like a very stupid move. Sure lucid dreaming is cool. But honestly. Youre selling out REAL life in place of basically...a virtual reality. Lucid dreaming shouldn't cause real life to be horrible.
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If you think it's stupid, then that's your opinion. I think it's a good incentive to push yourself for a LD. Besides everyone could do with eating less :yumdumdoodledum:

Yeah i think if you're going to do this it would be best to take some time off and go for trip somewhere by yourself. The whole not talking to people could be more trouble than it's worth with your friends. You've already said you felt bad about blowing off your roommate and he probably didn't think any higher of you for it.

I can see the idea behind it, but i think if i were going to do it i'd go off somewhere by myself first. So my friends don't think i'm ignoring them and i don't feel bad/embarrassed for not speaking. I agree with JaphyR, silence shouldn't be stressful. It may be that rather than focusing on LD you're focusing on being embarrassed and stressed out. In which case you're probably more likely to dream about that than you are to have a lucid dream.

Just my 2 cents.

I think the point IS to be stressful, so that it's a punishment for not lucid dreaming. Kinda like programming one's subconcious, and not rewarding it for doing EXACTLY what one doesn't want it do...

But what do I know. :content:

This is an interesting idea. For those slightly less committed, maybe resolving to abstain from masturbation until success is reached would work too.

i usually just hit myself when i go to sleep and when i wake up, i read that somewhere on here.
i could try the not talking, because most people i know would not question it.
Although if a teacher called on me i don't knwo what i would do.

I like the persistence but I think going about it less drastically will still work. Such as, I found that when I quit cigs, weed, and drinking for a while to try to get my head clear I was rewarded with several lucid dreams in a short span. I don't think it's due to me quiting those things directly but rather showing some sacrifice for the cause. So maybe if you give up something you like until you have one that would work.

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Originally Posted by JaphyR

This is a funny way to try to achieve an LD, but a vow of silence shouldn't be this stressful. Instead of focusing on not speaking, focus on listening. That is, don't focus on not doing something, focus on doing something else instead. That's part of the point of the silence. Just commit to it if you're going to do it, and look at those who speak to you with a great smile. They'll figure it out, or at least accept that you must be committed to doing something for some reason.

If speech is just a technicality you're avoiding in this experiment, like a self-imposed punishment, it won't do much for you. Make it an opportunity to focus inwards on your inner voice, and outwards on observing the world around you more closely. You might even drop the email and posting while you're at it, thus dropping verbal communication rather than the physical act of speaking. Good luck.
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no thats not the point. The point is without being able to eat or speak, your brain works extra hard to try to get u to dream, so its a good idea

I tried a variation on this yesterday- No buying food at school until I LD and talk to a certain DC.
And guess what? Last night it happened.
Lol.
I didn't even get a chance to not buy food at school. :P

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Originally Posted by Eminence

I tried a variation on this yesterday- No buying food at school until I LD and talk to a certain DC.
And guess what? Last night it happened.
Lol.
I didn't even get a chance to not buy food at school. :P
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Congratulations. It takes courage to LD - and perhaps a touch of madness.

Bon appetit :)

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Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

Congratulations. It takes courage to LD - and perhaps a touch of madness.

Bon appetit :)
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A touch you say? Well then I'm set for life. :P

And pssh, I'm trying it again. No buying food at school until I LD again! :dancingcow:

Part 3: At 8:15 that night I met Robin outside a concert hall. The second he perceived that I had "lost my voice," an unsettlingly malicious gleam entered his eyes. Now Robin is a great person, and I love him, but he's the kind of guy who will apologize profusely for a benign joke about your shoes, even if that joke wouldn't make an insecure schoolgirl cry. In a way it's sweet that he cares so much about other people's feelings, but he takes it too far and he just ends up appearing sycophantic. I had often feigned offense at his remarks only to laugh hysterically as he began to apologize. Anyone else would know right away that I was joking. Not him.

At that time I figured that if he loosened up a little, it was for his own good. Thus making fun of him was just like giving to charity. He didn't seem to fully share my point of view. He appeared determined to even the score in just one evening, with a little "charity" of his own.

Thanks to my excellent training, he was well beyond the point of feeling any remorse at mocking me. He exited the gate at full speed, quickly nicknaming me "cute little Andy," and calling me this, to my chagrin, at every possible occasion. He then launched into an interminable monologue mocking me about my inferior musical abilities, my intelligence in general, and my looks, particularly the furious glint in my eye.

Now I don't have the fastest mind, but as he was laughing at his jokes alone, only the most wittiest, sliest, and most devastating comebacks were entering my head, only adding unrequited temptation to injury. Doing this charade in order to dream lucidly seemed more and more ludicrous by the second. By that point I was dreaming, with startling clarity, of shocking him with my perfectly intact voice, tossing out a few of those witty comebacks. But instead, I faked a cough (which hurt), and pretended to struggle to say a few words.

After asking him to buy my tickets with subtle eyebrow movements, my only wish was for the music to begin as soon as possible. Until then, he was going to ask me if I was still "too dumb" to respond at the end of every sentence. I could feel my cheeks changing hue, the sweat begin to bead on my forehead. The pressure was building, I was going to explode. Averting disaster, I leapt out of my seat to go the bathroom.

This concert hall has a policy where the person taking tickets at the door gives you a bathroom pass, which lets you back in afterwards. Unfortunately, the chump at the door neglected to give me this pass. After mutely passing a row of tantalizingly bored-looking, approachable French women, on the way to and from the can, I showed my used ticket to the chump, who refused to let me in without a pass. Now, how would you say, "it's your fault you didn't give me the bathroom pass, I just exited through your door, you idiot" in hand gestures and eyebrows raises? I pointed to my throat to indicate that I couldn't speak, and tried to communicate this thought several times. He did not understand at all, but let me back in. I too dislike hindering the clinically insane.

The music was fantastic - mostly because I didn't have to listen to Robin for a while, and could renew begging my subconscious for an LD. Afterwards, perhaps to motivate myself even more, I walked with Robin in a nearby park and then went out for ice cream. I'll never forget the conversation we upheld, him insulting me, and I feebly telegraphing responses scribbled on grocery receipts - some of which he didn't even deign to read.

"Goodnight, cuuuuute littttlllle Annndy! When someone wishes you goodnight, it's impolite not to respond, you know." I waved goodbye, silently plotting to give Robin a call the second Ariel got her voice back.

Part 4: What a night! But at the very least I had Robin to thank for giving me another motivation to LD: revenge! Once home I took a swig of Apple Cranberry Delight and wished with all my might for a LD (and a nice hunk of bread). I visualized myself Lucid Dreaming, I prepared several triggers, I meditated, I practiced. Finally, mentally prepared, I tucked myself in and awaited. It all seemed so easy. The secret to LD's is desire. All you have to do is want it badly enough, and it will be yours. I fell into a peaceful sleep...

... and didn't wake up until the next morning. I hadn't LDed. "Oh damn it," I thought as I took a sour sip of 6 fruit cocktail. I spent the entire day silently wishing this suffering to end, fake coughing my way past acquaintances, and hankering for a warm piece of chocolate. That night I chugged an Orange-Carrot concoction, wishing even harder than ever for a LD. I went to sleep...

... and again didn't wake up until the next morning. Now it was Sunday and I was getting frantic. After a sip of "Mango-Lime Fiesta" (that I desperately wished were something else), I did a few minutes of homework, and plopped myself down for a forced nap. But nothing happened. I was dreading the thought of 8 hours of class (and choir after that!) as mute as a statue. Action had to be taken. Another forced nap was had, but only darkness ensued.

Finally, on the third nap on a Sunday afternoon, I was dreaming that I was in a field with a few friends, laughing and dancing, when suddenly the thought entered my head that I should look at my hands. I looked down and saw them: hairier, larger, a bit contorted, but unmistakably mine. For the first time since my childhood, I was fully conscious that I was dreaming. In a flash, everything vanished and I found myself in bed, alone.

Thats a very interesting way of achieving a lucid dream. Certainly soinething that would never have crossed my mind. Do you think sacrificing so much for a dream is worth it? Are you happy with the results? I don't think i could dedicate myself so much to dreaming.

im really enjoying reading about your quest. I certainly hope you dont wake so soon in the future.

Sounds to me like it is all about motivation. When you spend every living waking moment wanting something to happen and you are taking steps to make it happen, then it most likely will.

This is really interesting. I could never not talk for that long just for a lucid dream, lol. I can see how it would work though, your mind would be set on lucid dreaming all day.

I may try giving up other things though to LD, but i'm not sure what there is that I do often enough to give up. Eating definitely isnt a good option due to the whole starving myself problem.

Congratulations. As you can see in the replies to this thread, not many people posess the willpower to accomplish what you have done. It is admirable to set your mind to something and stick with it. There is nothing wrong with a little bit of dedication. People seem to question if it was worth it or not, but really what did you lose? And at the very least, you gained a sense of accomplishment... and an LD to boot.

Again, congrats.

You should not allow Lucid Dreaming to overtake your real world obligations

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Originally Posted by tiddlywink101

You should not allow Lucid Dreaming to overtake your real world obligations
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Well, all the guy did was fast for a while (and not talk) to achieve a goal. There is no health risk to not talking, so lets just talk about fasting. It's something that people do for a variety of reasons. They do it for spiritual reasons, and there is considerable talk of there being health benefits to it. The point is, people do it. Does the reason behind it matter? Whose business is it but the individual doing it to declare that they are undermining their real world obligations? There are probably at least a dozen religions on this planet that include fasting as a ritual. Would you say the same thing to those people?

before leo volont comes, let me say that forcing yourself into starvation and social deprivation seems like a bad way to have a LD. I dont think most people would want to take away 2 of the most important aspects of their lives for multiple days until they are lucky enough to experience a LD. what are you gonna do after the first one anyways? starve yourself again? This seems like a way for people who would rather not take the hard way.

If you call it "forcing starvation", it sounds bad. If you call it "fasting", it is a practice that is performed by many people all across the world. What's the big deal?

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Originally Posted by SoulSearcherX

If you call it "forcing starvation", it sounds bad. If you call it "fasting", it is a practice that is performed by many people all across the world. What's the big deal?
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Fasting, which is a form of self punishment used to bring the best out of someone, is a horrible way to try and have Lds, especially when you are doing it for multiple days. Americans include eating as a big part of their lives, while in other parts of the world people fast annually or monthly, depening on religion or society. from my experiances with Ld, i know that forcing yourself to a strict schedule of no eating AND no talking isn't worth having a LD, unless you dont care much about ither, in which case as the auther said, it wont work. its a bad idea.

So the problem is that he's American? Americans fast too. Good for the ones that do, anything that goes up against our fast food cultures dependency on eating is okay by me.

I wouldn't advocate to anyone that they fast to have lucid dreams. I wouldn't fast myself for that reason. But I'm not going to criticize someone for doing it. Why? I like to have a keen understanding when not to stick my nose where it doesn't belong. Fasting is something people do... people from a variety of religions and nationalities, including Christians and Americans... for a variety of reasons. And it's their own damn business.

This is great! I have to try this. I can go a few days without eating, although talking will be hard. I may have to avoid my freinds and just say 1 or 2 words if I have to. This really seems like it can work. I dont think there was a way I could keep LDing in mind all day I'll give up tv and internet and anything else for as long as I can to make this happen.

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Originally Posted by xcrissxcrossx

Fasting, which is a form of self punishment used to bring the best out of someone
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PS ... muslims fast but only eat very early ( before sunrise and after sunset )


The idea of fasting AND NOT EATING/ DRINKING ANYTHING IS RIDICULOUS I WON't even begin on how unhealthy it would be or ......


lets just say that the counter arguement for not eating or drinking to get lucid is SO HUGE that I can't be bothered to type it up!!!

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Originally Posted by Poison

PS ... muslims fast but only eat very early ( before sunrise and after sunset )
The idea of fasting AND NOT EATING/ DRINKING ANYTHING IS RIDICULOUS I WON't even begin on how unhealthy it would be or ......
lets just say that the counter arguement for not eating or drinking to get lucid is SO HUGE that I can't be bothered to type it up!!!
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The OP mentioned buying juice... he was drinking.

EVERYONE WHO FASTS DRINKS SOMETHING! Fasting is not meant to deprive people of any oral intake, just solid foods. You are getting all worked up over nothing but your own misinformation.

There is an abundance of information on the internet about the health benefits of a proper fast. Not that there aren't risks. But all it takes to find this information is the will to be informed.

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Originally Posted by SoulSearcherX

The OP mentioned buying juice... he was drinking.

EVERYONE WHO FASTS DRINKS SOMETHING! Fasting is not meant to deprive people of any oral intake, just solid foods. You are getting all worked up over nothing but your own misinformation.

There is an abundance of information on the internet about the health benefits of a proper fast. Not that there aren't risks. But all it takes to find this information is the will to be informed.
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But he also metioned doing it for a length of time which would deprive you of essential nutrients etc there are so many complex nutriens in a range of food that we need to eat in a carefully balanced diet Juice or water aren't gonna help .... And don' believe all that you read on the net that some "scientist" drew some wako conclusion from a poorly condducted study

I say rock on, man. Fasting has always been an excellent way for me to either show determination or just remove clutter from my brain. I don't think this is "letting LDing take over your waking life" at all. I've fasted many times in my past, and twice I did it to show fortitude (not for others, mind you, but for myself).

Some of the characters in The Stand by Stephen King were questioning a sort of religious fast put upon them toward the end of the book, and one of the heroes described why he thought it mattered. He compared a person's lifestyle to a car (with the battery being a person's soul/essence/being). Most people's lives are saturated with internet access, cell phones, constant personal interaction, fast food, things to do and places to go, etc. This is as if the car is driving down the road with the A/C on, radio blasting, GPS running, power brakes/windows/steering pumping, and the defroster on. While the car can run a long time with all these little perks, the battery is never quite full. So, the character says, every once in a while we need to turn off the A/C, the radio, and all the other trappings of a hectic life to let our batteries recharge. With a charged battery, a human being is capable of some pretty amazing things. (e.g. forcing the mind to LD, among others)

Plus, keep in mind that the human body is incredibly durable and can even benefit from short term nutritional deprivation (read: 1-2 weeks) Technically, the human body can survive weeks without food if it gets water. He's drinking juice, So there is absolutely no health concern unless he starts training for the olympics.

Oh come on, it's not that much of a problem. It's not like he's going to be not eating for very long; he'll more than likely recover compeletely once he starts eating again. Furthermore, he isn't starving himself per se - he's drinking fruit juice, which contains some sugars and nutrients. He'll be fine.

Ok FINE NOT FATAL NOT TERRIBLE ISN't going to make you consideraby ill as long as it is not for too long. I was Just pointing out that it is not a decision to be taken lightheartedly

SORRY for ARGUEING

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Seriously? to me that DOES sound like the hard way. You gotta give the guy some respect. Instead of bitching and moaning about wanting a LD he took matters into his own hands.
The point is he made a decision and if you don't agree with it you don't have to. But what is the point of replying and bringing your negative attitude all over his post? I think we should support him - if not us at dreamviews then who will?

i've decided i shall not sleep until i have a lucid dream. i'm dedicated, i swear.

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Originally Posted by Poison

But he also metioned doing it for a length of time which would deprive you of essential nutrients etc there are so many complex nutriens in a range of food that we need to eat in a carefully balanced diet Juice or water aren't gonna help .... And don' believe all that you read on the net that some "scientist" drew some wako conclusion from a poorly condducted study
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So, without even siting a source, you are deeming anything that doesn't support your POV as a "poorly conducted study"? Well, that speaks for itself. This is my last defense of a commonly accepted practice that spans religions and cultures... now I let Western modernist arrogance and ignorance run rampant...

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i've decided i shall not sleep until i have a lucid dream. i'm dedicated, i swear.
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:o!

That's almost crazy enough to work! :P

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Originally Posted by ninja

i've decided i shall not sleep until i have a lucid dream. i'm dedicated, i swear.
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how exactly would that work????????? *_< :huh:

well im not one to argue but i agree with soulsearcher. He did somthing to achieve a goal, and was committed enough to stick to it and in the end he was rewarded. Now i dont think he would do somthing stupid as to do it again and again and again cause yes that would be very unhealthy, but we should congratulate him on his LD instead of saying he got it wrong or right cause in the end its his desision and it worked for him so congrats on ur first ld&#33;

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Originally Posted by dreamerer

how exactly would that work????????? *_< :huh:
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clearly, i was not being sarcastic at all. this is a serious goal i hope you all will support me in attaining.

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This sounds like a very stupid move. Sure lucid dreaming is cool. But honestly. Youre selling out REAL life in place of basically...a virtual reality. Lucid dreaming shouldn&#39;t cause real life to be horrible.
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How do you know dreaming is only a virtual world? And also how would you explane the word virtual. Dreaming is some sort of energy after all, so my opinion is that dreaming is very real. When dreaming something you actually create it in the "real world", in your head, at least it&#39;s a theory like idea :D .

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clearly, i was not being sarcastic at all. this is a serious goal i hope you all will support me in attaining.
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but how would you know when to sleep?

The idea behind it is very simple: Conditioning.
It&#39;s the same idea behind learning your Dog to do a trick: By rewarding him when he succeeds and punishing him when he fails. Eventually they&#39;ll learn to do the trick because they know they&#39;ll be rewarded and otherwise punished.

Same way a Gouvernment keeps it&#39;s people under control by rewarding people who do Society good and Punishing those who do Society bad: Prison and Money Fine-Pinishment learns people what NOT to do. Rewards; School Degrees, Promotion on work is meant to motivate people to work harder, study harder.

It is THE way of Motivating people into a certain direction and away from another: Punishment & Reward.

I guess this is also THE way of &#39;&#39;Conditioning&#39;&#39; your Subconcious Mind to allow Lucidity to happen: Something which it usually always prevents and makes very difficult too maintain.

However a Lucid Dream is something I don&#39;t think is Worth Depriving yourself of a good triple portion of healthy food a day.

Good food and Neutrition is at least as important as good sleep.
In fact barely Eating to dream lucidly may actually negatively affect your sleep and dreams, making you sleep waaaay to deep for lucidity.

I guess if you&#39;re a smoker who smokes about 1 pack a day it would be a good thing to say: &#39;&#39;I won&#39;t be smoking a single Cigarette untill I succesfully had a Lucid Dream&#39;&#39;.
It would be the same motivation: Nicotine is a very strong addiction.

And besides: This way of Conditioning your Subconcious Mind to Lucid Dream is free from starvation-effects and feelings and is actually a healthy technique too :)

I smoke too much, I&#39;m gunna try this soon and be very strict on myself. No Lucid Dream: No smoking, No weed or Hash either&#33; :o . That should motivate me :P Especially when my bag of weed and bag of hash just lay in my room in my lign of sight all the time :P

Hmm I&#39;m also going to try doing a Quality Reality Check everytime I feel the Urge to smoke a Cigarette or a Joint.

I&#39;m starting my own topic about this. :)

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haha, i don&#39;t even know what you mean. it&#39;s been two days since i&#39;ve slept, still no lucid dreams. damn.

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Originally Posted by ninja

haha, i don&#39;t even know what you mean. it&#39;s been two days since i&#39;ve slept, still no lucid dreams. damn.
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WELL HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A LUCID DREAM IF YOU DON&#39;T SLEEP?&#33;&#33;??&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&# 33;?&#33;

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Originally Posted by dreamerer

WELL HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A LUCID DREAM IF YOU DON&#39;T SLEEP?&#33;&#33;??&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&# 33;?&#33;
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hahaha, god this is hilarious.

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hahaha, god this is hilarious.
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YOU&#39;RE NOT MAKING SENSE





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dreamerer, if you are still confused after this, i cannot help you.

I know what sarcasm is I just didn&#39;t know you were joking jeez...

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I know what sarcasm is I just didn&#39;t know you were joking jeez...
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that&#39;s pretty funny

Hello,

Thank you everyone for your responses, and for your concern.

Some of you objected that I or others could become malnourished from fasting, especially if maintained for a long period. This reaction is understandable; the last thing the world needs is more hunger.

But I think that some of you misunderstood my experiment. It’s not as though I said, “only water until I dream.” I wasn’t eating solid food, it’s true. But I don’t think anyone would say that eating an apple is nutritionally very different from eating an apple pureed into apple sauce. Or between an orange and orange juice with pulp. This is how I was feeding myself during my attempt to lucid dream; I was never hungry.

Consider how frightfully un-nourishing most people’s diets are. Compare this to my so-called fast. All day I drank nothing but pure fruit and vegetable juice: pear, apple, V8 (made of lettuce, tomato, carrot, beet, celery, watercress, parsley, and spinach) strawberry-banana-mango, carrot, orange, cranberry, clementine.

If anything, I was eating better than ever. I felt fresher, reinvigorated, revitalized.

Some fast&#33;

The Purple Knight

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i&#39;ve decided i shall not sleep until i have a lucid dream. i&#39;m dedicated, i swear.
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Yeah? Well I&#39;m going to stop breathing until I have a lucid dream. Starting now.

And congratulations, chevalier_violet. That seems like a very interesting way to lucid dream.

And furthermore, once when I was seven ...I *gasp* I... can&#39;t... bretaathhttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttttttt

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Originally Posted by EVIL

Yeah? Well I&#39;m going to stop breathing until I have a lucid dream. Starting now.


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THE BATTLE IS ON

lol

Short circuits are not good things.

You see, typically electronic circuits are energized by power supply circuits that have enough capacity to run hundreds or even thousands of components. This is possible because each component has a relatively high impedance, or resistance, and whatever changes and modulations the circuit is meant to accomplish is affected by voltage changes that require relatively small swings in overall current draw.

But you are talking about a Short Circuit. Well, two things happen -- the circuit that presents the short will burn up because it will certainly draw more current, and thus more heat, then it was designed for. Secondly, the power supply that can only put out so much power without loading down, it will indeed load down and all of the other circuits and components will no longer be able to operate.

And so it is that it is nearly always understood that a Short Circuit is a Failure Mode.

It is revealing that the Lucid Dream Community, in attempting to destroy the balances of normal Dreaming, would seem to advocate a Failure Mode as a positive development.

I would suspect that it would not be healthy in the long run.

I think the book ment: Be Really Really seriously willing too. But I guess if you are willing (or crazy) enough to stop talking and eating till you *dream* then you allready were committed enough... so the book is s bunch of exagerated crap, I think :)