Thread: Old People Who Die In Their Sleep...

Short answer: No.

I'll leave someone else to fill in the long answer, because I'm generous like that.

Originally Posted by Raylin

Short answer: No.

I'll leave someone else to fill in the long answer, because I'm generous like that.
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I personally don't believe so. I have a friend who dies in dreams quite often and he never has any negative physical effects (always a bit shaken). And obviously there can be NO WAY to prove this due to the fact you would have to be dead to have experienced (Or not experienced as the case may be) first hand.

I just though it was an interesting idea...it is quite dumb

That would be crazy to be an older person and fall asleep and actually die in real life and in a dream.....

Originally Posted by dropout14

That would be crazy to be an older person and fall asleep and actually die in real life and in a dream.....
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is that not how it happens when people die in their sleep ?

Well, being young, I know I've died plenty of times in my dreams (even purposely, on a few occassions,) and nothing has happened. Leo Volont talks about dying often, and he's probably our oldest DV member (as far as I know,) so the danger, I'd say, is Minimal, at best.

BUT, putting some more thought into it; I'd suppose it's possible. I wouldn't say that any old person that died in their sleep "died because of a dream,"(or even a large percentage) but, when you think about how intense nightmares can be, and how distressed we can be, after waking from them, I would understand how an old, vitally frail, person might suffer maybe a heart-attack or something of that nature.
However, I'm no doctor and it's just speculation. I think there was a study done that says there's no change in heart rate while a person dreams, even intensely, so if that's true, it's probably not possible. Who knows.

My point is, I seriously doubt it's anything you'd need to go around worrying about.

Originally Posted by Lyla

I remembered just now talking to a friend these days and he told me that he wold like to die instantly - no pain - or rather die peacefully while he was asleep. That happens to old people... So, I was wondering, is there any connection between that and LD-ing?

What if you were really dying in real life while having an LD or, while feeling that "your time has" come, decide to die while being concious in a dream? Or, just because, as you grow old, you body and mind aren't that strong and you die because of a dream-event that wouldn't harm you normally as an adult...

Please tell me your thoughts on this matter. These thoughts just popped into my head so tell me if I'm wrong in any way.
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There are some interesting cases of Old Men who know the day on which they will die.

One of the most interesting READS On Line is "My Brief Experience in Eternity And What I Saw" by Phil Kramer. he sees the End of the World and Judgment Day, and then he goes on to describe the Social Structures and Internal Dynamics of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Fascinating stuff.

But if you read About the Author you find that this Phil Kramer had a wonderful old Uncle or Grandfather who knew the day he was going to die and as threw this great big family party and died right on schedule. When they undressed the body, they found that the Old Man had been laden down with chains.

Chains?

Well, typically people who spontaneously Levitate will wear chains to help them keep their feet on the ground. Saint Dominic wore chains.

As Saint Dominic got older his vision was not what it had used to be. Once Dominic was coming back to his Monastery after the Gate had already been closed and locked for the night. Of course he could knock or ring the bell, but he was loath to disturb anybody. He looked around to see if anybody was watching. Maybe he had just left a well lit house where he had been visiting a family, reading the scripture together or whatever. But there were other monks outside, not far away, in the shadows and Dominic did not see them. Well, Dominic, chains and everything, simply lifted up into the air and up and over the wall.

Well, back to our Subject... if somebody has paid attention all of one's Life and has become Spiritually attuned, then one would expect that Death would not come entirely as a surprise.

As an Old Man myself, Death does worry me. Particularly long painful deaths. I have noticed that often times the Best Catholics have long lingering painful deaths. Well, why shouldn't they. Their Belief Structure is to suppose that they are Saved by the Suffering of Christ. Well, lets look at Karma. One can't wish suffering upon somebody else without incurring something of a Curse on One's Self.

And so it is that I have become such an Opponent to Paul and the Doctrine of Salvation by the Suffering of Christ. While I fear a painful Death myself, I will be the last person in the World to advocate my approval that Jesus should have been tortured as much as possible, in order to secure us an even more effectual Salvation.

And so by renouncing any claim to the Suffering of Christ, I hope that I may not have to pay for it by any immense suffering myself.

Yes, the Crucifixion was horrible. And we need to remember that Christ was thrashed and abused the entire complete day before. it must have been terrible. But SO many Catholics die of cancers and debilitating diseases. Declining in pain often for years or more. So are Catholics Saved by the Suffering of Christ, or are they Saved by the continued Suffering of Good Catholics who die of long drawn out diseases, all in atonement for the Sins of their fellows.

How noble. But pain hurts and really want nothing to do with it.

And so I have been instructing people to live Righteously, without Sin, so that nobody will need any longer to have to Suffer.

If we all live in Good Karma, then we will all need to worry less about all of the Bad Karma.

And then maybe I will die easy in my Sleep.

So far, I don't know when I will die. I have not been given that Vision yet. My Destiny still has a few more Pages.

I am yet to comprehend your unique method of capitalisation, Leo.