Non Vivid Lds

Do non vivid dreams where you can change content count as lucid dreams? As a child I could often change the screenplay of my dreams but the dream was not clear at all - sometimes I couldn't see a thing but I knew what happens in it. If I disliked the content I could simply change it to another one. But nothing more I'm affraid. Later on I could awake myself whenever I wanted. Then I was getting more abillities such as flying, morphing into another person, if there was a demon I could wish for a gun and I got it. I could do pretty much things but it wasn't vivid, like now when I have LD. Do they count as LDs? If so then I have had them since childhood which would be pretty interesting to know.

yeap, It was a LD. If you knew you where dreaming then yes it was a LD. That´s what everybody says. Allthough I don´t agree with that at all. If it wasn´t vivid, then the hole point of having a LD is gone.

And I think LDing since childhood is pretty normal. From what I´ve read in this forum.

Yea the key is whether you knew you were dreaming... I often have dreams where I'm some sort of hero, but i'm not lucid. Lucid means that you are in a dream, knowing you're dreaming

Yeah I would agree these are Lucid Dreams somewhere in your mind you had enough awareness to wake yourself thus realizing that you are dreaming. Thats the key acknowledgement to some degree.

Thanks for answers.

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yeap, It was a LD. If you knew you where dreaming then yes it was a LD. That´s what everybody says. Allthough I don´t agree with that at all. If it wasn´t vivid, then the hole point of having a LD is gone. [/b]

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For the time being it was pretty exciting to know that I was dreaming. But it was not that satisfying as vivid LDs, which are pretty much satisfying. I agree that it kind of lost the point to LD when the dream wasn't vivid. I realized it when I had my first vivid LD, like in 14 or so (I don't remember correctly). Well, I could fly and do another things like shift dream characters and such, so I think it wasn't that bad.

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And I think LDing since childhood is pretty normal. From what I´ve read in this forum.[/b]

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I understand it this way: It is common to LD but the hard part is to have vivid LD? When I see in this forum that someone have had his/her first LD does it mean that his dream was also vivid or just lucid? (sorry, I'm newbie here)

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Originally Posted by Gabriel

If it wasn´t vivid, then the whole point of having an LD is gone.[/b]

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I disagree, and here's why:

I have a friend who's been LDing now for 12 years. A few years ago she described to me a quandary that she found herself in, namely that often her vivid LD would fade away and she would find herself in blackness, from which she would then wake herself up using a movement known as "the rolling pass". She asked me what she could do to avoid the blackness. I suggested that she should try to use the blackness in a positive way, to increase and hone her lucidity by just sitting down and fixating and refixating on her hands and reminding herself that she was dreaming. Subsequently, when she finds herself in the blackness, she doesn't wake herself up. She uses it as a boost to increase her lucidity in the way described. To date, she has managed 15 minutes (seeming realtime) of full lucidity whilst in the blackness and the benefits to her other (vivid) LD are a big increase in lucidity and the duration thereof.

So there's a positive benefit to non-vivid LD, a "point" if you like.

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Originally Posted by Oneiro

I disagree, and here's why:

I have a friend who's been LDing now for 12 years. A few years ago she described to me a quandary that she found herself in, namely that often her vivid LD would fade away and she would find herself in blackness, from which she would then wake herself up using a movement known as "the rolling pass". She asked me what she could do to avoid the blackness. I suggested that she should try to use the blackness in a positive way, to increase and hone her lucidity by just sitting down and fixating and refixating on her hands and reminding herself that she was dreaming. Subsequently, when she finds herself in the blackness, she doesn't wake herself up. She uses it as a boost to increase her lucidity in the way described. To date, she has managed 15 minutes (seeming realtime) of full lucidity whilst in the blackness and the benefits to her other (vivid) LD are a big increase in lucidity and the duration thereof.

So there's a positive benefit to non-vivid LD, a "point" if you like.
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Hi,

Hmmm......this is interesting.......my current view is that one need not be adverse to the blackness.....perhaps it signifies a new development in one's lucid dreaming abilities.

I was wondering if anyone knew the answer: When I read in this forum that someone have had LD does it mean that the dream was also vivid? How much (percentually) of people who can LD have vivid LDs?

Usually, vividness is associated with having an LD... however, the 2 do not always to hand in hand, but if you know your dreaming, its an LD. Vividness is usually one of the perks but if you forget your dreaming that usually goes away which stinks.

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Originally Posted by DarthDallas

Usually, vividness is associated with having an LD... however, the 2 do not always to hand in hand, but if you know your dreaming, its an LD. Vividness is usually one of the perks but if you forget your dreaming that usually goes away which stinks.
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Well, I have to highly disagree. I was having Lucid Dreams for many years and only a few of them were vivid - I'm talking about vividnes comparable to seeing in reality. I believe from what I read on these boards that only a few of people have true vivid dreams. The vividnes in common lucid dreams (which I'm having since I was a kid) is present in a little but it can't be compared to TRUE vivid Lucid Dreams.