This Idea Confuses Me

I think that it is odd/amazing that you can be having a lucid dream, controlling everything and all situations, then you talk with someone, and you have no idea what they are going to say to you. You are in control of your mind and the images it creates, but you still have no knowledge of what another person in your dream will say. I've had dreams where people would say things that I would never think of in a million years. What do you think about this?

Yah. I've been looking at the 'DCs say the Darnest Things' thread in this other forum and what they say is sometimes odd, sometimes hilarious to the max, sometimes just a little snigger and whatever else is there. I think it would be possible to think of what you want the other person to say and they'll say it, but I haven't really tried it (mainly because I haven't had a LD before, but I've read lots about it on this site and on the forums)

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I&#39;m no psychologist, but isn&#39;t this simply a manifestation of the subconscious mind?
I&#39;ve always considered conversations with dream characters as convdersations with my
sub-conscious. Sometimes they offer very profound insites. This too is not surprising if you
believe that humans never really forget anything, and that your subconscious has access to
the totality of information that you&#39;ve accumulated over the years.

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Originally Posted by DrTechnical

I&#39;m no psychologist, but isn&#39;t this simply a manifestation of the subconscious mind?
I&#39;ve always considered conversations with dream characters as convdersations with my
sub-conscious. Sometimes they offer very profound insites. This too is not surprising if you
believe that humans never really forget anything, and that your subconscious has access to
the totality of information that you&#39;ve accumulated over the years.
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That would be my bet too. Also, as normalish humans we don&#39;t expect to be able to read eachothers minds, and you expect the person you are talking to not to say something you knew they would say unless you&#39;re asking an obvious/rhetorical/stupid question. This I assume manifests in your dreams and because only what your mind expects deep down will happen in a Lucid unless you tell it what to expect (like an island behind the door), so since you expect people not to say something you know they will say, you don&#39;t know what they will say. I think this is the same thing that causes the island behind the door type thing to be challenging because you have to overcome a deeply ingrained expectation that, for example, behind a door there is a room.

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Originally Posted by PenguinLord13

That would be my bet too. Also, as normalish humans we don&#39;t expect to be able to read eachothers minds, and you expect the person you are talking to not to say something you knew they would say unless you&#39;re asking an obvious/rhetorical/stupid question. This I assume manifests in your dreams and because only what your mind expects deep down will happen in a Lucid unless you tell it what to expect (like an island behind the door), so since you expect people not to say something you know they will say, you don&#39;t know what they will say. I think this is the same thing that causes the island behind the door type thing to be challenging because you have to overcome a deeply ingrained expectation that, for example, behind a door there is a room.
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When I talk to people in my dreams, they speak with a vocabulary that I never use, it&#39;s almost like it&#39;s someone else having my dream, it&#39;s crazy. It&#39;s amazing how dreams can manifest your creativity and you can think of something that you would never come up with while being awake.

The replies are conjured up as you dream, and you make it a sort of reality inside the dream, so theres no way you&#39;d be able to know what they were gonna say. Although you&#39;d think you&#39;d be able to, it doesn&#39;t work that way. But yes you can control almost everything with the practice :)

patience is very important though, it can be easy to become discouraged

I think it has something to do with the fact that while you are lucid you are concentrating on all the important and hard stuff like what to do, staying stable in the dream ect. You do not think of the little things like the replies of a DC or even using light switches.

I think there is a section of your brain that conjures up stuff and you beleive it is a type of reality, so even though the response might be right in your head, you don&#39;t conciusly know what they&#39;re gonna say. In a way you might, by it is usually hidden until the answe (does that make sense?)

A theory, Conciousness + Unconsciousness:
When you&#39;re lucid your conscious mind does work, but you don&#39;t have a direct access to subconscious. It&#39;s just like being awake. On another hand, you can see your subconscious in methaphorical forms or hear it speak through DCs. It&#39;s still subconscious and unknown to us, otherwise we could decipher everything that happens it dreams and could predict anything there.

A different theory, Unconciousness + Unconsciousness:
When you&#39;re lucid the only difference from being unconcious is memory: you remember the memory that you&#39;re lucid and gain access to a small part of waking memory... but in all other respects you&#39;re unconscious. In this case you can&#39;t have an access to yourself (unconsciousness to unconsciousness), it would be like trying to jump over your own head.

Which of these two sounds more like truth?