Reverse Lucid

This may sound weird or even stupid but I was thinking if you can work at it and bring your consciousness into your dreams, then why would you not be able to bring your dreams into your consciousness.

What if??? having hallucinations is some kind of reverse lucidness, just say John Smith has a tendency to see things but not all the time, the doctors who only know what they are taught in a book keep telling John that he has a mental imbalance when in fact he might just have the ability to bring his dreams into his reality and doesn't know it and all he needs is to know what is happening and how to control it.

Just a thought.

I would like to hear any comments on the possibility of such a thing.

I've considered it and tried it. I figure there is nothing physically different between some crazy people who see things and normal people, just some mental breakdown. There are safety locks in our brains that stop it is all. I've tried LD techniques in real life, telling myself when I turn this corner I'll hallucinate seeing <whatever>, and really trying to believe it. So far no dice. :|

Oh have I tried, and haven't had any more luck than producing LDs at will.

I don't think its a good idea. Mostly because you can get in big trouble if you see something and think its real when its not, or assuming something isn't real but it really is.

I don't propose seeing something and thinking it is real, it's like in a lucid dream and knowing it is a dream but being able to produce an image as if it were real in the privacy of your own thoughts. After all what is real is the perception of that individual and knowing it is a manufactored in your mind would prevent any insanity prablems.

I expect this is possible, but I doubt we'd figure out how to do it even after years of working.

And there is an element of danger. Perhaps one day you pretend that the balcony is bigger than it really is, you forget it's just dreamed, and you fall off it. Sure, it's hard thing to do, but it's possible.

Really, trying to bring your dreams to consciousness will help induce LD at will?

Interesting thought.
But yeah, dangerous.... could kill someone accidentally.
My father knows of a guy who killed his wife while sleepwalking.
Not too far from what you are considering.

However, it's also a subject perhaps related to belief of the mental model of the world. eg. 'The truth - there is no spoon'. If you truly believe it, perhaps it will be the way you believe.
It's a debatable point I haven't decided on yet
Perhaps exercising this idea may produce paranormal abilities, but at the same time turn you insane. At which point how do you know that you really eg. levitated, or simply hallucinated.
Then again, does it matter to you at that point? ... the logical flow goes on...

You know... I wonder if that isn't already happening on a small scale when you daydream.

I have some pretty vivid daydreams as it is.

Knowing the possibility of such dangers as in the balcony scenario, to me would be sufficient enough to avoid danger, as for the insanity problem my logical thinking I hope would prevent it.

:shock: Where'd you get that avatar? I havent seen that pic of that galaxy yet, and I search lots of sites for cool galaxy avatars and wallpapers and stuff, got linkage to the site you got it from? Do they have more? MUST HAVE FULL RESOLUTION SHOTS!!!!

I think it is from the hubble site, new relases or something like that, I'll see if I can find the link. It was a high res pic I just chopped it down to fit in the avatar box 130x160.

NGC 1512
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/...leases/2001/16/

:shock: i know hubblesite, damn i should search it again for new pics or perhaps I missed on, hubblesite is so unorganised there's tons of weird links to obscure parts that you'd never find unless you keep clicking and clicking links.

Yes, I believe daydreaming is sorta like that, but even as vivid as daydreaming gets it nothign compared to actually dreams. As a recovered drug addict I still see things move or things that arent really there sometimes. SO is that like bringing dreams into reality by the unbalance of some chemicals in my brain?? If thats the case then bringing dreams into your reality would be about the same I think ! ??

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Originally Posted by tekdawg

This may sound weird or even stupid but I was thinking if you can work at it and bring your consciousness into your dreams, then why would you not be able to bring your dreams into your consciousness.

What if??? having hallucinations is some kind of reverse lucidness, just say John Smith has a tendency to see things but not all the time, the doctors who only know what they are taught in a book keep telling John that he has a mental imbalance when in fact he might just have the ability to bring his dreams into his reality and doesn't know it and all he needs is to know what is happening and how to control it.

Just a thought.

I would like to hear any comments on the possibility of such a thing.

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You know, that's funny you should talk about that. I've been researching for a long time on exactly what that phenomenon is. I get it quite often. In fact, I feel as it if is a sleep disorder or something. I can't fully wake up from my dreams. I can walk and function normally, because I am truly awake, but I'm seeing the things that were in my nightmare int eh real world. I can see them and feel them too (because it seems to only happen with nightmares and usually that consists of creatures trying to get me.) and there have been times where I actually hurt myself because I think there are spiders or something crawling on me. I seem to do a lot of screaming on such occasions and most people who know me have just learned to ignore it.

I once had a flying dream and taught myself EXACTLY how to do it so that when I woke up I would be able to fly.

I ended up at the bottom of the stairs.

:P

There is such a thing as bringing dreams into your consciousness and the most practical way is called Psychedelics, but onfortunately we are not allowed to discuss such matters on these forums anymore.

There's an even easier way:

It's called Sleep Deprivation :)

People who go with sleep long enough start to dream while awake. There's been plenty of experimentation on the phenomenon. They will literally see dreamimages superimposed upon their normal vision. (and presumably the same thing counts for other senses too).

Ofcourse to do this you'd have to be awake for a long time, and really force yourself into situations where it's impossible to fall asleep (even for a few seconds). And it's really not something I'd recommend (in fact I strongly urge you NOT to try it) unless under controlled experimental circumstances :)

-Redrivertears-

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They will literally see dreamimages superimposed upon their normal vision.

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I have also heard something similar to this. It might have even been in EWLD but I'm not sure... anyway, it said that dreaming was one way to get out the thoughts of insanity that everyone has. If dreamimages are being superimposed on your normal vision, I would blatantly say that you are going insane! But if you see a book sprout arms and legs or an elephant squeeze through you door riding on a bouncy ball in a dream, your mind is getting rid of the crazy thoughts in a way that does not interfere with your reality.

When I began lucid dreaming, I thought that going lucid might be dangerous for this exact reason. If dreaming is to get out your insane thoughts, then by controlling your dream you are not letting you subconscious mind take its nightly dump. I think, however, that since being lucid means that you KNOW you are in a dream, ridiculous things are more than welcome to invade your thoughts without any question. In fact, most of us take advantage of that fact and use our dreams to DO the ridiculous!:)

Just something I heard though... could be wrong...

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Originally Posted by Redrivertears

There's an even easier way:

It's called Sleep Deprivation :)

People who go with sleep long enough start to dream while awake. There's been plenty of experimentation on the phenomenon. They will literally see dreamimages superimposed upon their normal vision. (and presumably the same thing counts for other senses too).

Ofcourse to do this you'd have to be awake for a long time, and really force yourself into situations where it's impossible to fall asleep (even for a few seconds). And it's really not something I'd recommend (in fact I strongly urge you NOT to try it) unless under controlled experimental circumstances :)

-Redrivertears-

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This brings me to my thought. Every-night, there is a hallucinogenic chemical that I wont mention, which is released on a very small amount into your brain. This is only released while you are asleep, and from the pineal gland. I have heard that the reason for having a hallucinogenic experience is because if you are not sleeping, then you get a build up of this chemical in your pineal gland, and eventually, it just releases.

Hopefully it is allowed for me to say this, and if not, please edit this out and give me a warning.

Perhaps sleep deprivation is the answer, but it really scares me. I have been known to claw up my face and arms and it's really frightening. I mean if I were doing this to myself while actually asleep, I may not be as worried, but I feel like I'm crazy when this happens while awake.
I'll admit to having random small hallucination throughout my day. i'll see a flash of something that couldn't possibly be real, and that then it won't be there, but it's not like my dreams. On one occasion i dreamed that there were half-rotted bodies were crawling out of my bathroom trying to get me. I woke up and I could see them through my open door...I was so real that I just started freaking out and screaming and then at some point they vanished--though I can never really differentiate when the creatures go away. They actually go hide somewhere and then I spend hours looing for them before I can go back to sleep. Am i crazy?

Yeah energizerrabbit that's what I was getting at... you described it better... but yup!

Is that similar to the reverse cowboy? 8) On a more serious note...sometimes I will be walking through my day and all of a sudden remember a dream that I had YEARS ago...a dream I never recorded and a dream that didn't stand out much back then. Perhaps that is bringing your dreams into your conscious state. Or maybe deja vu is alligned with that theory.