Subliminal Messaging

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Originally posted by Aqueous

You're wrong.
-Have you ever started to hum a song, and it turns out to be the same song as the person next to you hums?

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And... what does that have to do with subliminal messaging? Do you even understand what it is?

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-Have you ever watched a program like Mind Controller? There is a trick he does for the viewers: he flips through a pack of cards, and the viewers are supposed to think of a number and a suit. It worked with me, so he must've used SM![/b]

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...uh huh.

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-There have been tests which proves that SM is not an \"urban myth\".[/b]

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Like?

First quote was a little off Aqueous. But i think that SM is possible and used a lot.

Hahaha, Evanescent, you amuse me no end.

www.dictionary.com for 'placebo':

2 : an inert or innocuous substance used especially in controlled experiments testing the efficacy of another substance (as a drug)

Now Im not accusing you of using www.dictionary.com... but it's quite obvious that you didn't really know what placebo meant and just used a dictionary.

Btw, I'd be keen to test out this program, Placebo, even if you don't feel that it's fast enough.

Calm down guys... whoever didn't know what a placebo was, obviously does now. And it's not the most common of knowledge anyway, so theres nothing embarassing about not knowing about it previously

As for whether SM works, I've been thinking about it a lot lately, and I'm convinced it will work - even if it isn't entirely 'subconscious'
As an example. If someone tells you you're lazy every day, you eventually can't help believing that you're lazy.
The same with a curse - if you believe it, you'll notice all the bad stuff around you and very likely cause some of it too. Its all about positive/negative thinking, and so is SM.
Repetition for emphasis, if you will... ;)

Unfortunately the program is STILL not fully functional... BUT

By 1PM my time (which is GMT+1)... which makes it 12PM on the forum methinks... (work in my lunchtime)
I can release a little 'test' version that has some of the settings hardcoded.

Then we can start playing with it.

My previous question still stands though - how are we going to test this in a way that might prove it works ?
I'm not sure we can unfortunately...

We would need money and a place to gather to do a REAL study... but you weren't suggesting we do that, were you ;p

Quite a few people seem interested. I we would get just as good an idea about how well it works as we have with melatonin, Vit E, nutmeg and other things.

We can do it that way (allow everyone to test it as they think best)... but the mind is a tricky lil' sh*t

If 3 people say it doesn't work and 3 people do... we have no clue why
Perhaps 3 people BELIEVED it would work, and made it work
Or perhaps 3 people didn't test it with the best possible settings

But point taken about the lab and place to gather,etc
I guess we have no choice but to form individual opinions and compare them... :|

[EDIT]
Here is a very very very very early sneak preview

<obsolete... see signature for the latest version>

Unfortunately its still VERY hardcoded, and can't minimize to the system tray yet.
And I noticed the frequency setting isnt entirely right (ie. 5 secs isnt 5 secs)

Either way, just call it a very bad sneak preview of the final one
I'll release something more usuable tomorrow morning ;)
Things just took longer than expected

[DISCLAIMER]
The temporary disclaimer goes something like this:
1) If you don't like it, don't use it
2) I take no responsibility for ANY side effect that this software may have on anyone. By downloading and using this software you agree to undertake any risks or side effects of your own accord. I suggest that if you have problems with flashing lights or headaches - don't use the software.
3) You can use this software for any personal use. However for any commercial use, I request that you obtain permission from me first (Placebo as known on this forum)
4) I make no claims as to what this software can or cannot achieve. By downloading it, you state that you understand what it does and is designed to do, and understand that no promises as to its abilities or results are made at all.
5) You will not claim that you are the developer or any other agent responsible for the software. You acknowledge that you obtained the software from this site, from me (Placebo), who in turn claims development of this software.

Umm.. I think that more or less covers it. I might need to neaten up the legality of it though

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Originally posted by Evanescent
First quote was a little off Aqueous. But i think that SM is possible and used a lot.

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Ok, I admit that. :wink: Subliminal perception would be the correct appellation.

I'm intrested. I tried to make a program to flash "dream" across the screen for 1ms every 10secs. 1ms is the lowest the timer will go and it's still too visible. Strange.

Placebo: Is the software you are talking about made so it will be easier to be aware in dreams?
(Just want to know).

are you people trying to say Subliminal Messages are a placebo? I have done countless research papers on them. They were made illegal in the mid 1900's because of increase of profit made in movie theatres. It's a proven fact that they work, not as a placebo. The people at the time had no idea what was going on but when the theatres started using them to make people want concessions the profit from food the theatre made a 30% increase. It varys from how easily a person can be manipulated. Subliminal messages are used in ads music and even in software on computers (hence the addiction people have for computers). They are often used in Video games.. that is part of the reason that some games sell so high. Its hard for you to conciously recognize a subliminal message, and to be able to read, see, or hear what the message is, but subconciously it is registered very quickly. The concious mind runs at about 40 MPH, but the subconcious mind runs at the speed of light. That explains how most of the time, dreams last longer than they really are, due to the subconcious being in control. I think that your experiment would prove as a better tool if the people didn't know what they were going to be shown. If they know whats being shown to them, they are less apt to have good results becuase they are waiting for it to happen. I could go on for a while but i'm sure you all don't want for this to turn out like a research paper....i was somewhat skimming through this artical, and if you do think that its a placebo, then you have to take into consideration of the statistics of subliminal advertising used.

Remembers a certain family guy episode on smoking...

SMOKE.

SMOKE.

ARE YOU SMOKING YET?!?!

Thanks for the info, Geop.

I wasn't implying that its simply a placebo - I was implying that my experimentation might be damaged by arguments of placebo effect.

Human:
Hopefully. We don't know for sure, but in theory it might. It's configurable, so you can do whatever you like with it.

Arg.. editting doesnt give you the scrolling history... okay, whoever spoke of trying to make their own program:
This program I've made can display exactly one frame of the monitor refresh rate... at 75Hz thats 13ms
Even at that speed, I'm able to see the text... sometimes not able to read it, but still able to see that it was there.
I blame it on phosphor afterglow and the lack of moving/changing animation on the screen.

At any rate... New Version!
After much debate, I've opted for a setup that doesn't register on the installed software list. This reduces some embarassment for certain employees ;)

[EDIT] Instructions Revised, and Setup Changed...
(Sorry for those who were downloading it already

Instructions for windows 2000 and xp users (This will work for eg. 98/me, but the program may have some problems running normally)

1) Download the setup file from http://www.strike9.com/file.ashx?path=/Pla...imeSetup01e.exe

2) Run it, and install to the default directory. Make sure you read the disclaimer

3) Run Start-Programs-Startup-Sublime Imaging. Every time the computer reboots it'll use it again.

4) Insert a category and some messages! Important, as there is a bug when you start the messages without any messages set up. Go figure. Be gentle ;)
Also make sure the settings are the way you want them

If anyone with windows 98/me has problems, let me know ;)

Oh.. one more thing... the 'x' button minimizes to the system tray (little icons on the bottom right).
To close it completely, you have to right click on the system tray icon and go 'exit application'

Bug List So Far:
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1) If you have no messages set up, and you start it, it crashes.
2) If the messages are long-ish, then it doesn't 'clean' your screen properly afterwards. BTW, the messages should be as short as possible anyway.
3) Windows NT + 2000 has an irritating 'feature' regarding deleting of registry keys. This causes the messages not to save. Big problem in combo with (1) and 'autostart'

Doesn't work on my PC.

Techboy.. please... more info :!:
What operating system? What happened?

[UPDATE]
I've fixed the bugs mentioned above, and uploaded the new EXE
The filename should read 'SublimeSetup01e.exe'
If it isn't, then its the old one that you still have (with those bugs)

You should be able to install over an existing install
When it asks about overwriting just say 'yes'

Latest link: http://www.strike9.com/file.ashx?path=/Pla...imeSetup01e.exe

I tried it and I'm wonderring...what is the word I keep seeing?

~LOTF who's ponderring wether or not to share it with another forum.

LordOfTheFlies:
Have you set up the messages? If not, it defaults to 'Subliminals Work!'
Just a stupid joke on my part - but its simply to have SOMETHING to show

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~LOTF who's ponderring wether or not to share it with another forum[/b]

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You mean this software? Well I don't feel we are in *competition* with them, so it doesn't matter all that much to me.

To be frank (:P) I wrote this for myself first, others second.

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Originally posted by Placebo
Techboy.. please... more info * :!: *
What operating system? What happened?

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Windows XP. After 10secs (the interval I had set up) it crashed. Maybe it's incompatible with DirectX 9? XP? Have you tried all of these things?

It works for me! Thanks Placebo!!!

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Originally posted by Evanescent+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evanescent)</div>

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You know CT you are not the smartest here.[/b]

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Yeah...apparently I am :P

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but it's quite obvious that you didn't really know what placebo meant and just used a dictionary.

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That is exactly what I thought when I read his explanation... :D

Edit: The only problem I seem to have is that sometimes it interpheres a bit too much with what I have on my screen. There are times where it will leave the part where it appeared blank. Others the words become engraved in it instead of going away...not a real great problem but perhaps something else you can fix or such...

P.S I am using windows 2000 NT

Truthbearer:
Thanks for the feedback, dude.
As for the glitches with text, you might be using version 0.1d or earlier, and with long-ish messages.
There was a bug that I fixed there... so if you download the latest version that shouldnt happen any more ;)

Techboy:
As mentioned earlier - there is a bug in the initial version I posted that crashes if you dont set up a message before starting it.
So download the latest version, and click on 'Messages' and 'Settings' and change everything to do what you want
Oh, and I'm also using XP with DX9, so its not that.

And if someone else asks me 'What message did you hardcode it to say' I'm going to kill someone.... possibly the poster...
CHANGE THE SETTINGS TO YOUR LIKING!

Another thing, I suggest that after minimizing to the system tray and you want to play a fullscreen game(s) or something, right click on the system tray icon and if 'Running' is ticked, click on it (to turn it off)
When finished playing the game, click 'Running' to start it again.

PS: Weren't there more than 3 people who wanted to try this thing? Is it running okay so far for you guys (other than the guys who have told me already) ?

Latest link: http://www.strike9.com/file.ashx?path=/Pla...imeSetup01e.exe

Pretty funny Truthbearer, and i did not look it up i knew that because they gave some to my uncle. He has a few issues that are all made up.

I know, I set up a message. Then I downloaded the latest one. It doesn't work either. Access Violation.

Has anyone tried this and ti worked?

I've only skim-read this discussion but here are my thoughts:

Subliminal Messaging is not a placebo; it works by its own merit. In fact, for it to be a placebo, the subject must consciously aware that he is receiving the messages, which would mean that the messages are NOT subliminal.

The reason is because subliminal mesasges, are intended to be received by the sub/un-conscious brain, not the conscious part.

I believe subliminal messaging works because I'm a big fan of Derren Brown who is a master mentalist, who uses subliminal messaging among other things. I've seen him live in the flesh, and his stuff works! (although I accept he's just an entertainer).

At least 4 people have tried this program, and to my knowledge only one cannot get it working at all - thats Techboy
And I now know what his problem was.
Do you have a problem I don't know about Remus?

Techboy:
You created categories for the messages, but no messages. Apparently the program doesn't like that much.
Selected 'Test' in your category dropdown list, and click 'Add' at the bottom
Type in 'A Message' in the Message Name box ('Message Details' group)
Press Apply.
Select 'C00l' in your category dropdown list, and press the arrow button pointing to the right (right next to the dropdown button).
Press 'Delete' under 'Category Details'

You will then have one category named 'Test' with one message in it named 'A Message'.

And it will work. And I will fix it soon.

Neil:
This software was originally intended to be completely invisible to the conscious mind/eye. Unfortunately the technology of CRT monitors prevents this from being entirely successful.
It has very quick text, that you cant read usually... but can see 'flashing' quickly

I find that if the messages are set to only appear when the active window changes, then you notice it far less.