Psychedelics Enhancing Lucidity

Psychedelic means to make the mind visible, or it can basically be characterized as dreaming while awake. The most powerful known psychedelic to man, naturally occurs, in all humans, in something called the pineal gland. This gland is located in the middle of ones forehead, and is also known as the third eye. The psychedelic is released each night during REM stages of sleep, which is why we dream. Heavy doses are also released while you are dying (yeah its pretty much like we trip each night)

The name of this psychedelic is DMT, and it naturally occurs in us, as well as many plants, and animals, throughout the world.

From my experience, when the pineal gland is activated (your third eye opens from taking a psychedelic) I have much more lucid dreams.

The most effective psychedelic i have come across , for lucid dreaming is : Salvia Divinorum, a naturally occuring flower, which is also known as "The Dream Herb"

After smoking this particular substance, (which is Legal before i continue) I felt as though i was infact dreaming. And the after effect is simply the only aspect of the plant i like. After about 4 hours after you smoke it, your dreams will take on a new intricacy, and lucidity.

For me, when i started dreaming, i would start out in a forest (known as lady salvia's forest, for spiritual people) And from there on, i was always aware that i was dreaming.

The dreams weren't the same though, they were alot more detailed, and intricate. I could remember more of my surroundings after i woke up, and i was able to do whatever i wanted.

So for those may have trouble staying lucid should try it.... (its legal!!!)

I tried it, even though i was already an experienced lucid dreamer, but it propelled me into a new state of mind, i never had before salvia.

Isn't it more effective to chew it than to smoke it? I'm just going by what the Wikipedia tells me. Also, smoking anything is dangerous to your lungs.

I have a very similair topic in the lucid aids forum called "sleeping on low doses of psychedelics". Check it out.

I've done some psychedelics SKA.. but it seems like you do a LOT. I was just wondering if you have plans to stop using once you're acheiving lucidity more regularly.. or do you plan on doing these for life?

I plan to use mushrooms throughout my whole life, because they help me spiritually connect, and find myself. (and because its less toxic than aspirin)
But even then, i only do in on occasion, when the time is right.

And Talkinghead, i've always been able to maintain lucidity in my dreams, psychedelics just make dreams alot more intricate, and easy to remember.

Psychedelics also help oraganise your mind and thoughts, so maybe thats why it's easier to remember your dreams from them.

My experience has been that psychdelics can definitely help you integrate your consicous/subconscious, especially if you them at the right time and with the right intentions, but I truly believe that at some point they start to disorganize your mind and each trip is killing many neurons that you will never get back. I think many people should try them to learn from the experience, but its not something I would do long term. Do what you like though.

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Originally Posted by TalkingHead

I've done some psychedelics SKA.. but it seems like you do a LOT. I was just wondering if you have plans to stop using once you're acheiving lucidity more regularly.. or do you plan on doing these for life?

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Not everything is what it seems. I have had quite a few Psychedelic experiences and they were for mental exploration, pretty much people use Lucidity to explore the Mind's possibilities. I think and talk alot about Psychedelics because they raise questions, but it would probably make it seem as if I'm high on them 24/7 which is anything but the truth. Also I don't do them to achieve lucidity, but they might help. Mainly when I use them for dreaming purposes I wish to get very vivid dreams in which it is more likely to become lucid than low level awareness dreams. Besides as a child I've had many lucids natually and I still do very sporadically without any effort or intent so it's not like I seek help. I just find the Psychedelic mindstate an interresting one to interract with Dreaming.

Also psilocybin mushrooms, DMT, Mescaline cacti and salvia don't kill or harm any brain or body cells at all. This is easy to assume since so many people claim it. Go to www.erowid.org go to the pages of each of these individual drugs and check the "Health"-page of each of these to find out the truth of what these drugs do to you physically. And more specifically what they DON'T. There's alot of unfactual gossip surrounding drugs.

Also I don't see why a man smoking some Marijuana, doing magic mushrooms, San pedro cactus, Salvia and DMT still every now and than wouldn't be a responsible man able to live a successfull functional life. Do you?

i like mushrooms..ive only done it once

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Originally Posted by SKA

Also I don't see why a man smoking some Marijuana, doing magic mushrooms, San pedro cactus, Salvia and DMT still every now and than wouldn't be a responsible man able to live a successfull functional life. Do you?

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This is true. And infact im going to be partaking in a spiritual journey, using mushrooms tonight. (haven't taken them in a year)
Responsible use of psychedelics is a key factor, and that's why they get a bad name,(use them to get high/stoned)
mushrooms are a tool.
tooo many people out there taking too much, thinking they can handle it, then freak out and run to the hospital.

Anyways, wish me good luck on my new job (got hired today) and my journey into the divine.

the dream herb is Calea Zacatechichi
salvia is just salvia. thought i should clear that up, sorry. lol

very good trip...... alot of the trip was like sex. I loved it.

I'll chime in on this issue. Yes - I personally find a huge correlation between using salvia and my ability to become lucid in my dreams. I have written numerous posts and specific suggestions. At a very high level, it simply gets you more in touch with your subconcious and visionary world.

Next to Yopo, Mushrooms are my favourite Entheogen. Nothing quite like it. In a unique way they reveal the truth behind this world of deception. Try contemplating things like society, politics, human mentality, the Self, sorcery and arts while on mushrooms. It will make amazing revealations to you. People who just do mushrooms to "get hiiiigh" don't learn anything from them at all. They are sacred to me.

I highly Recommend Hawaiian Copelandia Cyanescens to anyone wanting to try mushrooms. Easy on the dose. 10 grams of those fresh will take you deep into the second reality.

i want to get some but i dont know where to get it

I have to say i would never do salvia because i have seen somebody have seizure after taking one hit of it and somebody else just get up and take off running, we didnt see him for hours. Those two experiences completely cured me of ever wanting to try it

Salvia is not capable of producing a seizure. I think you're misinterpreting whatever happened.

I've done a few psychadelics and quite a numerous other drugs because Im extremely fascinated with the mind and what its got to offer. I've always thought of it this way. Think of a 360 degree circle and sober reality puts you at the 1st degree of this circle. Getting drunk or high may move it a degree or two in a different direction letting you realize and see things that you may not have before but using psychadelics can put you on that 90th degree or even further. Almost put you outside of your reality looking back in letting you come to some amazing revalations. The first time I ever did mushrooms I had a different mind set on the world for the entire next month and was generally more relaxed and at peace with the world. Truly amazing.

As for salvia, I've only smoked it briefly... I did smoke more than my friends and I remember very little. It started off with my vision almost going 2 dimensional and it felt like everything sped up really fast and then I blacked out, having forgotten that I'd smoked it, and immediately had an awkward feeling that everyone was watching me and just that general paranoia that can come from psychadelics. When I was coming back to reality I felt like reality was slowly streaming in on horizontal planes and that I was... I almost want to say awakening from my subconscious as I broke from this 'underground' level back onto the plane of reality and I could still slightly see back into the trip but all of the visual aspects of reality were slowly streaming into my vision. Felt awkward for the next 10 minutes or so and just very uncomfortable.

Despite all this, I've still wanted to try them again because I do enjoy exploring the mind :)

So my next question, dream herb, is how do you use salvia to become more lucid? I've noticed about 2 or 3 things that trigger my lucidity 9/10 times and if I could somehow expand on that with salvia I would be immensely grateful for this tool...

and to talking head.... stop making sense, please... :)

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Originally Posted by DrTechnical

Salvia is not capable of producing a seizure. I think you're misinterpreting whatever happened.

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you are probably right, but it still really scared me

Sniper,

I found your description of your Salivia experience interesting since it was so close to mine. The main difference was that the two planes were vertical and they had what looked like comic strips stretched along them. The other thing was that during the experience, I had no sense of who I was, or how I got there. Fragments of my normal personality only gradually began to return until I actually began to remember something of how I got into that state, and where I was. Fortunately all this took place over a period of only 15 minutes or so; though, it seemed much longer at the time. The hardest part was that once I began to become aware of my body again, it seemed to be under some kind of force that seemed to be twisting it around. The feeling of twisting around was so strong, it was really impossible to walk. It was really kind of stupid for me to even try. That's how you can get hurt smoking Salvia.

I tried taking a smaller dose some time later, but it wasn't much better. I felt like up and down became reversed, and although I was still aware of three dimensional reality, I was holding onto the couch to keep from falling into the ceiling while invisible, tiny fish nipped at me.

It's also possible to take a solution of Salvia dissolved in pure ethyl alcohol. It is allowed to be absorbed sub-lingually over a period of 5 or 10 minutes. It was a much more mild experience. When I did this, I mostly got impressions of a cartoon world that seemed relatively constant over different trials. It was a kind of cartoon farm.

Has anyone experienced a tie in between sub-lingual use of Salvia and lucid dreaming?

ive done just about every psychedelic several times high doses and low doses, and i must say salvia is a very strong short term trip. much stronger body wise than lsd or shrooms. Ive never got visuals from smoking it though, just uncomfortable splitting into pieces feeling. I prefer to chew on about a 1/2 gram of some 50x for a while and wait bout 30 mins to have a nice trip that lasts much longer than smoked and everything seems to be wavy and colorful this way. also, orally is the only way it changes my dreaming in a positive way.

LSD on the other hand is my favorite. It's the drug that has givin me the ability to have lucid dreams at least a few times a week without trying to. i always gain so much more respect for life, dreams, colors, shapes, and music from lsd. it is just always a great experience. Shrooms are fun too just not as intense for the visuals. shrooms are mainly a body feeling with a little bit of visuals.

DMT is also a cool one to experiment with. It is much like being in a dream. when i smoke DMT the first effects are like lsd then it get much more intense and have awesome closed eye visuals, exactly like a very vivid dream.

also, beware of datura... im still paying off hospital bills for that one... 3 day bad trip + 1 week blindness.

ok i take back what i said about smoking salvia. i remembered i had some leftover so i loaded up the bong. just had the craziest experience too. first off the normal stabbing sensations came but they quickly changed to vibrations, EXACTLY like what i get when my body starts falling asleep. after this i stood up because sittin was uncomfortable and boom, i couldnt move. then, i forgot i wsa human and just stood there with my arms out to my sides lol. i thought i was a friggin wall honestly. it felt like all my life i had been a wall, thats all i knew.... being a wall. it seemed like years but then i could move my arms and then walk. but it was strange because it felt like my mouth was still the wall lol. it took about 15 minutes to stop trippin and im still weirded out but reality feels so nice. im going to take a nap soon and hopefully have an interesting dream that might go lucid. great experience. the trip wasnt a happy thing but coming out of it and back into reality is like being reborn.

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Originally Posted by DreamHerb

I plan to use mushrooms throughout my whole life, because they help me spiritually connect, and find myself. (and because its less toxic than aspirin)
But even then, i only do in on occasion, when the time is right.

And Talkinghead, i've always been able to maintain lucidity in my dreams, psychedelics just make dreams alot more intricate, and easy to remember.

Psychedelics also help oraganise your mind and thoughts, so maybe thats why it's easier to remember your dreams from them.

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Wow, i have never met anyone who shared my same opinion about mushrooms, they also help me spiritually connect with my surroundings and others. I to have tried salvia but not to help me with attaining lucidity. I would like to hear more of your opinions and how you would go about using salvia in this manner along with mushrooms?

i will describe the most intense salvia trip i've ever experienced, and it occured in the very room i am typing from.
One night i was smoking buckets of hash oil, and hydroponic weed (both really potent shit)
and after i took 4 tokes of hydro, all with oil dripped on, i was stoned out of my mind, and remembered i had some 20X salvia.

I loaded the bucket bowl with atleast .4 of salvia, and dripped oil on top of that. I knew i was in for a ride.

I inhaled the saliva infused with hash oil, into my lungs, and held as long as i could (no smoke came out after) Right as i blew it out, i was staring at the tv, debra from everybody love raymond was laughing, and her mouth opened wider and wider, until it took up her whole face, then her head would go inside out, and revert to the same face.

It took me atleast 20 seconds to realize what was going on, for those 20 seconds i had NO clue what was happening, as described above, i had that feeling you do, right before u fall asleep (complete loss of ego). I looked al my surroundings, and my walls and ceiling were a dark orange color. I peered into a wall on the other side of my room, and was getting literally pulled through the walls, into an unknown dimension. My walls were made of a pearly white liquid, which magnetized me to it.

I look my arm, and it tripled in my vision, and i actually felt 2 arms pertruding out of my back, and i felt all 6 of these arms as if i had always had them (maybe i turned into an insect for a minute there) I then loooked into the palms of these 6 hands, and there was a dragons eye embedded in each of them, creating a alien dragon, which was a part of my body.

This is the strongest hallucination ive ever experienced, and the most interesting....
And during this trip whatever objects i looked at, they became a part of me, i actually felt them attach to me.

Salvia is alot different than mushrooms... .that's for sure.