Nature of Dreams.

I've concluded that dreams are much like an altered state created from drug use. We know from REM sleep patterns that the frequency gradually decreases and shoots straight up at a certain point. It's like the drug induced altered state in that your brainwaves shoot up even beyond waking state, while dreams and the like are lower frequencies.

You are sent into a lowered trance state on the point where you become mildly drowsy and about to fall asleep. Then you keep going deeply into the trance state until you hit the lowest your brain carries and that shoots you off straight into the half-awake state. What I am saying is that the brain hits a energy mark where it completely turns off for a split-second. No energy. Then as it reboots, it goes straight into that half-awake state in which you BELIEVE you are waking up. But, coming out of a blank brain state your brain takes stock of the memories and boots up like a computer, auditory, mental, and memories, etc.

You can tell if you examine the EEG patterns and such. Always, there's a low and high amount of energy passing through the brain. So, I believe that short naps are just one reboot, because there are patterns to it. Always a low to a peak.

It would make sense since drugs also do change frequencies of the brain. Eureka!

I never looked at it that way. :)

Wouldn't it seem to be right? It goes along with all the scientific data and fits in perfectly. Dextromethorphan is said to bring you into a dream-like state and Salvia Divinorum supposedly creates strange OBEs.

It seems that these things are a good comparison.

Yes, they are . . .

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Originally posted by Berserk_Exodus
Wouldn't it seem to be right? *It goes along with all the scientific data and fits in perfectly. *Dextromethorphan is said to bring you into a dream-like state and Salvia Divinorum supposedly creates strange OBEs.

It seems that these things are a good comparison.

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Woo! Enlightened one.

Now try Dextromethorphan AND Salvia Divinorum... You'll be in your own little universe for quite some time with that one. (much like a dream)

Or Datura.. heh. But that can easily turn into a bad trip... So easily.

Yes, they are exactly that. Dreams are the bodys natural 'trip'.

Incidentally this was brought on by an altered state itself obviously, but later on after I wrote it, I checked it through my unaffected mind and it made a whole lot of sense. It seems like it would be common sense but I never thought about it before. I just thought them as what they were "dreams" but didn't find a REASON.

you mean you were stonned, or sleepy..... or maybe even sleep walking.... or having an attack of skitsofrantica..... yea, however you spell that.....

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I've concluded that dreams are much like an altered state created from drug use.[/b]

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That holds up, as far as it goes. I would add that dreams are also very much like the trip of waking life, and the same goes for drug experiences. In waking life, we're just tripping on external rather than internal data, and we have more opportunities to check our perceptions against other sources.

I do like the "reboot" theory--that the brain actually winks off for a second, then has to rebuild ego from the system architecture. I think I've read something similar before, about how we die each night and a new personality wakes up in the morning, almost identical, but not quite. It's also similar to the bardo teachings in Buddhism--that the process of sleeping and waking is a microcosm of death and rebirth, and each moment is likewise a microcosm of the whole, with each of us dying and being reborn each moment, clearly related to the person who was sitting here a moment ago, but not quite continuous with them. (that was just one way-oversimplified take on the bardo teachings, btw).

I know this is not quite what you meant, but what do you think?

If you do salvia dinorium in the right setting, mindset, and extract you will have an OBE, they are quite insane actually

I think that dreaming can create a clean slate for our personalities. I've noticed how when I wake up, the first things I do influence how I feel for the rest of the day. For example, a couple of days ago I had a dream that my brother wouldn't give my parakeet back and he punched me in the stomach. When I woke up I knew it was a dream but I was still suspicious about him for the rest of the day.

Also, if I wake up and start thinking "I really don't want to do anything today... Why am I even getting up?" I often find myself in a not-so-perfect mood for the rest of the day. Anyone else experience that?

-Amethyst Star

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I've concluded that dreams are much like an altered state created from drug use.

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That holds up, as far as it goes. I would add that dreams are also very much like the trip of waking life, and the same goes for drug experiences. In waking life, we're just tripping on external rather than internal data, and we have more opportunities to check our perceptions against other sources.

I do like the \"reboot\" theory--that the brain actually winks off for a second, then has to rebuild ego from the system architecture. I think I've read something similar before, about how we die each night and a new personality wakes up in the morning, almost identical, but not quite. It's also similar to the bardo teachings in Buddhism--that the process of sleeping and waking is a microcosm of death and rebirth, and each moment is likewise a microcosm of the whole, with each of us dying and being reborn each moment, clearly related to the person who was sitting here a moment ago, but not quite continuous with them. (that was just one way-oversimplified take on the bardo teachings, btw).

I know this is not quite what you meant, but what do you think?[/b]

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That is what I mean, although, what I do not mean is that we "die" for a second each night in the sense that we do not exist. It takes a certain level of lowered concioussness to achieve an OBE each night right? And OBEs switch the concious mind into a more fluid plane. And I am also told that they occur each and every night, so in that brief moment before it switches into dream mode your OBE mind takes over and your physical brain kind of shuts down because it doesn't have to do any work. When the OBE concioussness returns, like a user on a computer, it has to let the system reboot for it to function.

Also, what I mean about dreams being like drug use is the fact that it changes wavelengths of the brain, not that it merely changes the mind.

No wonder we have so many potheads on our forum :D

On a serious note though, in many ways you can liken the altered state of mind of an LD to drugs, but not in all ways. Most drugs that are used as a high inhibit your neurotransmitting chemicals, and produce odd effects.

While certain parts of the brain is asleep during an LD, other parts seem to be perfectly okay.

Of course I'm not the expert on the neural responses to drugs...

Well, I've been doing some experimentation with trance and brainwave entrainment which both bring you into a concious altered state of mind. And yes, drugs obviously do fool with neurotransmitters of the brain, but that's exactly what serotonin, melatonin, and many other chemicals do as we fall into sleep. Our body is filled with many drugs to keep it running smoothly, endorphins for example fill the brain to prevent the body from going into shock in ultra-strenuous exercise or pain. (Usually the two go together. Adrenaline rush.)

All of these drugs change the brainwaves in some way. There are documented EEG patterns of people on PCP, LSD, and things of the like. The only thing about them is that they are forced and erratic. Not regulated, like the chemicals of the body.

First time in about 2 months by the way. Had a horrible mental hangover. Great fun though.