Meditation...

Wow guys, I just meditated tonight for like over 45 minutes (the only reason I stopped there is because someone disturbed me by saying it was time to eat)...I was focusing on my chakra for a good deal of the entire session, it's like my brain was spinning on a hamster wheel, but it was SOOOO peaceful! I have this DVD with a special meditation featurette, so I sat down with my good pal on my TV. The meditation period is only like 15 minutes, but it must've looped 4 times! It's fantastic: sounds of stillwater being disturbed by oars, slowly transforms into the crashing waves of the ocean, then calm waters again, which eventually are accompanied by strong winds, which bring crickets chirps for the remainder of the session.
AAaaahhhh...I gotta do that more often! :content:

Yeah, I like to meditate too, but I get bored sometimes. I just do simple counting stuff. Maybe I'd be more interested if I had a tape. Sometimes I start feeling like my body is spinning around while I'm meditating which is cool.

I was going to start a topic about meditation myself.

I tried it a few times by closing my eyes, sitting perfectly still while leaning in my chair, and watching the light I could see through my eyelids. It's a technique I got off some website, but it seems like consistent and reliable information about meditation is hard to come by (I don't trust anything that sounds mystical to me).

The results? Well, I think I'm terrible at focusing my mind, and I get bored (I can't take more than 45 minutes at a time). I felt some very odd sensations that I'd have a hard time describing, but I have to wonder if they were real results or just the result of my not moving for so long cutting off my bloodflow. It's a bit of a "floaty" feeling.

I've also fallen asleep while meditation... with my head up! Very odd.

Oh well, if anybody's got some tips, I'm all ears.

I meditate everday if I can find the time,the technique I use isnt really all that complicated.All I do is sit down in my room on the floor(if thats to hard for your ass,lol,sit on your bed or something,my ass sometimes hurts hehe)
For me a condition is that it is absolutely silent,but some people can do it with sounds around them,but using like tapes with peaceful sounds is an option,but no other sounds then that.The room must be dark with only one dim light,like a candle,or if not,a small desklight

Concentrating on the flame of the candle can make you more focused before you start,its also a discipline exersise.Just sit there and concentrate on the candles flame for a few minutes,increasing the amount of time everytime you do,i once concentrated on the flame for one hour,once you get the hang of it can be really usefull(to me it is)

As for the meditation techniques itself,i reccomend just finding out your personal way,there are several techniques on the net and the one I use is actually very common,i forgot the name but basicly, you close your eyes and first do some breathing exersises,the slower you breath the better until you are relaxed,try finding a position were your legs arent gonna get cramped(you can lie down but you might fall asleep).Now you first have to seal yourself of everything around you(if there still is any sound),concentrates on your breathing until there is nothing but it.Then imagine yourself as an energy body and imagine warm red energy flowing trough your body,first your feet,then your legs etcetc,feel your body get warm and heavy,you dont wanna get up anymore,its just so relaxxing(if right you cant even get up even if you tried to,unless you really get disturbed)
Once your entire body is completely relaxed you can remain ins this state for as long as you want to,I wouldnt discribe it as a *trance* but is indeed very relaxing :-P There are alot of techniques but you just gotta find the one you like

Anything were so turn your attention inwards and quiet your mind works. Breathing is great, but make sure your breathing begins in the stomach and not in the chest. You can also breath asymetrically, exhaling for twice as long as you inhale. This has therapeutic value.

I just close my eyes, let my mind wander, and trip out on all the weird thoughts/images/visions/whatever you want to call them, because I think focus sucks. I don't focus on anything, just relax and let go. It's one of the greatest feelings ever, and it is a very good way for me to pass the time when I've nothing to do. I think focus meditation is bs... but that's just my opinion. I'm not saying it's not a valid or good thing to do, I just wouldn't call it meditation.

The way my mind jumps around and rambles constantly I need a change, if letting my mind wander as such I would be meditating nearly 24 7

When I meditate I let all of it go, or rather stuff a ball gag in my minds mouths, I quiet the three or four different levels I can think at and just listen to the quietness, its really hard for me to do.

But sometimes I do focus on something, I will usualy make a resonant thrum and keep its pitch and tune right, sometimes outloud, usualy not. Or an idea or even just increasing my Ki level, when I do that I feel the resonant thrum without even trying to create it.

Normaly i have a hard time making decisions thinking about things but after meditating, my mind stays quiet for a while and I have a much better degree of clarity.

cooool....what is 'Ki'?

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Originally posted by Serinanth
The way my mind jumps around and rambles constantly I need a change, if letting my mind wander as such I would be meditating nearly 24 7

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I feel the same way. I'm not sure if I understand exactly what Second Attention is saying: my mind wanders randomly all the time, in fact I can't seem to stop it. They say everybody's like that, but I think I'm worse than most.

...to be corny Paperdoll...

The force.

To be serious.

It is the life energy that is within us all, I also think of it as will.
Chi, Qi, Ki, it has many names, all the same thing though.

It is said that certain masters of the east could concentrate their chi and form it into a energy ball,much like trowing fireballs

how would you pronounce it then?

I pronounce it

kee

like key minus the y =)

and elongate the e

so yeah.. kee

I pronounce it chi.. like lucius spelled it there.

Also... I'm not saying the same way your mind normally wanders. My mind does not wander in words when I meditate, it is a level above and beyond that. I just don't even try to really focus or unfocus my mind because it will do it by itself if I let go.

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Originally posted by Second Attention
Also... I'm not saying the same way your mind normally wanders. My mind does not wander in words when I meditate, it is a level above and beyond that. I just don't even try to really focus or unfocus my mind because it will do it by itself if I let go.

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Okay, I think I may understand what you mean. Lots of advice about meditation I've read says not to fight off passing thoughts, just to let them drift by and not become attached to them.

ahhh gocha.
I undastands now =)

Dang, I haven't been keeping up!

Well I don't think there's a difference between what SA is describing and actually focusing, because the whole point of focusing is to allow your mind to disregard everything, in a sense even that which you are focusing on. I'd say the initial steps are different, but ultimately both will lead to the same level of meditative clarity and peace...at least that's what I've gathered.

That DVD I was talking about is amazing! After having meditated to it, I sense things within the session that I never did when I was simply playing it as I go about my business... The sounds are SOO intelligently played, it's amazing. It's like each sound (which lasts 4-5 minutes before leading to another sound) brings me to a certain level, and just when I stop progressing, the onset of another impending sound piques my energy all over again...it's like a mental climax...and letting the whole session loop 4 or 5 times allows me to experience this process while already in a meditative state... I swear the types of sounds and their order (i.e. fading flow of water to consistent crashing waves back to fading flow, on to consistent streaming wind to cosistent hum of crickets) is very much intentional.

In my opinion, meditation isn't meant for disregarding anything. Rather, it is meant for self discovery through inner communication and reflection.

mention was made earlier about breathing exercises... I've noticed that when I concentrate on my breathing during LDs, I can emit bursts of light from my hands or from my eyes and the breathing seems to make me feel as if I am expelling "dirt" or other extraneous substances from my body -as if the light is "burning away" impurities from inside. Problem is, there seems to be no end to the impurities, thus the exercise of trying to become pure light or to burn all of it away becomes never-ending and sometimes frustrating.
As for meditation (which has come up numerous times in other threads as well ) -never done any formal training or research on it, but I usually simply lie flat on a hard or firm surface and "focus" on breathing -though it isn't a true focus, since it is rather a "flowing" focus or just simply "awareness" rather than focus. That way, the body relaxes, but the mind remains alert.

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Originally posted by Aneas
In my opinion, meditation isn't meant for disregarding anything. Rather, it is meant for self discovery through inner communication and reflection.

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I agree with you, Aneas, I worded that last post badly. I didn't mean to imply that you "disregard" as if careless, but rather you're able to "let go"...of material things and physical tethers. You allow your mind to focus, instead of wandering off on chain thoughts. This focus definitely does increase awareness, which can lead to further self-discovery like you said. It sort of makes the spirit more perceptible to the mind, which is also more prevalent and less autonomous.

Well, For me I usually start out on my side, Just trying to get to sleep. Trying to trick my body into relaxing faster, Then I startcounting backwards from 20, Imagining myself swimming deeper into the ocean. Then after I feel sufficiently relaxed I start telling my limbs one by one, to relax even more, Then slowly count up from 0 to 5, Saying after each number, I'm becoming more lucid, And so on. Then after about three times of that, I'm lucid!
Usually, On a good night at least.


Yeah, But I do that sometimes to relieve stress

This stuff all sounds very interesting, and very useful,

for the first time in my life, i tried meditating last night,[i tried the whole energy body thing, with the red light flowing through me, and i used a candle, which was very relaxing] and after a time like 20-25 minutes i stopped, but in time it should last longer

the awsome thing was that at the end my body felt so heavy, and even though it was sortof cold in my room, i felt warm, very warm, and relaxed, and fell to sleep in a matter of seconds...it usually takes forever for my brain to shut off

again, thanks for the useful tips!

-cheers

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the truth is...you could slit my throat, and with my one last gasping breath i would apologize for bleading on your shirt[/b]

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I meditated again yesterday afternoon. It was the best session yet! Last time I was able to discern that I'd meditated for about 45 minutes...but this time I completely lost my sense of time. I also lit a candle and this glass, geometrical oil lamp that casts neat lighting and shadows!...I sat there for probably the same amount of time as before, except I was much more relaxed and I even occassionally got this strange sensation that made my entire upper body jolt back as if something impacted against my chest (it didn't feel like I was being hit, it was very "inner")...or maybe even as though I was "disabled" for an instant. It was at this point I decided to lay back, keeping everything else in position. I must've stayed in this position for just as long. I can't even explain how I felt at this point...it was so much more complex. I was close to lucidity because I had a couple of scenarios in my head that just came forth through my focus and thought...and they were strange. They weren't as vivid as a dream, so I'm inclined to beleive I was still "awake", but I definitely was in a dreamy-esque state and they had a certain quality that I can't explain...I was doing things willingly though. I also managed to find myself in a couple different, unrelated scanrios.
I finished, sat up, blew out my lamp and candle (I was shocked by how much it had burned)...and when I looked at the time and it was exactly 5PM. I started right after school (I put brown and maroon blankets over my windows :D ), so it couldn't have been later than 3:30... I hope I continue to progress!

I had a great enlightening! I meditated again yesterday, right after school. It was going just as well as the day before, but I made great strides in focusing on breathing from my stomach... And suddenly, the center of my chest felt very energetic (almost chilled) with each deep breath, which made me breathe with even more concentration. It felt as though my heart was racing, but I wasn't sure, so I lifted my right hand and placed it on my chest...but rather than feeling a heartbeat, suddenly the right side of my upper body felt very weak...I could feel the energy on that side of me dim with the movement of my hand over it. I did the same thing with my left hand just to be sure...same effect... Then, I began focusing on my third eye, but being careful not to lose the feeling in my chest. It wasn't long before my forehead began to feel heavy. I would focus on what I saw through my eyelids while focusing on my third eye and I realized I had truly found my third eye...which then made me realize that the feeling in my chest was my fourth (Anahata) or heart chakra. Upon further exploration, it became increasingly easier for me to begin focusing on another chakra without losing the ones I was already feeling. After my third eye and heart chakra, the middle of my lips became tingly. This feeling then extended down to my throat where I found a very heavy feeling, which is my fifth chakra (Vissuddha). Almost simultaneously the top of my head began to feel burdened too; this is my seventh (Sahasrara) or crown chakra. Above my belly-button I started to feel energy and it was almost pulsating or flowing in place, this is my third chakra (Manipura)...this extended (similar to how my fifth chakra did) down to and above my sexual areas, this is my second (Svadhisthana) chakra. I eventually concentrated hard enough to feel my first (Muladhara) chakra, just above my tail bone.
These last few were more difficult because they aren't as clearly associable with certain body parts, and are in such close proximity..also because of Muladhara being in back. But I felt all seven....clear as day.... :dreaming:
So, I finished at exactly 5PM again, but it may not have been quite as long.. but it's understandable because this session was very mentally exhausting. I had to lie down (like the last time) about halfway through as I felt sort of light-headed. Also, this time I'd left my oil lamp burning and the oil was almost completely gone (it was full)!

This is for those who find a couple of hours just isn't enough

**WARNING** prz do not read if you shelter yourself from the real world and get easily offended by drugs...but no worries, this one is legal.

so here's what some of you should try. but for christ's sake be careful, ok! read up on it, I'm gonna talk about hcr shit, go to erowid.org and learn all you can about dex 1st and...

DO NOT TRY THIS IS YOU HAVE NATIVE AMERICAN BLOOD IN YOU

dxm turns into dxo and will microwave your brain holy shit! i know

ok

SO

I do transcendental meditation. Some of my sessions have run over 12 hours. It takes extreme amounts of focus (or unfocus if u like) to attain an empty mind and a fearless heart. I have gone hours without the aid of any drugs (this is not true, all food is drug), but long periods of peacefulness (and pure bliss!!!) require alchemy, require the stimulation of certain centers of the brain. Once one has experienced these on 'high' one may go back with the sober mind to recapture them, but this too requires much disciplin, much training, and no THINKING, no worrying allowd.

I personally reccomend all hallucinagens...all of them. But my best sessions only take two things: dxm and weed.

First~ train a bit, learn to desire little. being poor helps because fasting is a requirement, you just can't eat food and expect that the dxm will mix well. you want to meditate, not puke all night. so first, don't eat all day. if you are doing your meditation right you won't desire food, don't worry. most of us could stand to stop listening to that repetitive loop in our minds 'so, what do you want to eat???' so relax, breath deep, and drink lots of water, water is good for everything.

Second~ relax all day (i personally meditate at night. my power comes most intensly at sundown, my visions are best around 2am, that's just me, adjust accordingly) i personally like to smoke ganja to keep calm and desireless, just relax, no thing is important. spend all day trying to identify which thoughts are repeating themselves uselessly in your mind (most go their lifetimes without doing this, it is soooo easy!) understand what you WANT and what you NEED. there is a huge diff. if you have friends to do this with, analytical conversation is nice, too, but it has to remain somewhat neutral and unstressful.

Third~this is the hard part. after fasting and relxing all day get your DXM ready. It will depend on your body weight how much you dose, look up the ratio on EROWID.ORG, I personally weigh 142, I take about 900mg of DXM. Finding DXM is kinda interesting, here are the products I use:

ROBOTUSSIN MAXIMUM STRENGTH COUGH (pure dxm and syrup, mmm)
MAX STRENGTH SUCRETS (the ones in the grey box)
DEXALONE (pure dxm, but it gives a lot of ppl a nasty itching sensation)

For Robo I simply poke a carb in the bottom of the bottles and chug 'em fast! For Sucrets you can boil them, the dxm will sink and all the shit can be skimmed and drained so essentially it's like takin a shot of mylanta.

I reccomend this high dosage because it is VITAL that everyone sees the 4th plateau (one of the degrees of a dex trip), or at least 3rd. It is at those levels that divination and transmutation magics become available to the lucid individual, prolly some other magics as well I just haven't understood yet.

ANYWAY drink yer DEX asap, fast. The entire trip will last approx. 4-8 hours, you'll feel high for about a day, but it is the happiest sesation i have experienced thus far, i've managed to go to class easily the day after...but american college is pretty mind-numbingly easy.

Once you drink I reccomend smoking a shit-ton of weed. This is for relaxation purposes and medicinal, to curb the ill-effects of the 2nd plateau, you want to hold your dxm down for at least an hour and most have trouble doing this. The key is to keep your mind off of it, relax, meditate and smoke.

SO, now your high as f*ck. I must take this time to breifly explain plateaus

1st the most stoned feeling you've ever had
2nd the most stoned and drunken feeling you've ever had, most can't even walk during the 2nd plateau (I can swim, hehe)
3rd here's where it rocks! visions, telepathy, empathy, anything
4rth the removed perspective, ever floated above yer own body?
sigma don't try to obtain sigma, you will prolly die

while high one ascends the plateaus and then goes back down through them again coming down (awesome)

1st plateau is about the first hour or two, and the last hour or 2
2nd is about the 2nd hour or two, and the last 2nd hour or 2
3rd is about the 3rd 4th 5th hours, and the last respective
4th is the peak (if done properly) i try to make it the middle hour

Sit and meditate your first time, try to move through the 1st and 2nd, i no longer really experience 2nd plateau, i meditate to punch through it faster somehow. My 1st time at 2nd plateau i couldn't even walk! talk, enjoy, soon your spinning thoughts will be made silent for you. and if you have to puke, PUKE! This is why it's best to fast, so you can get all that shit out of you in like ten seconds instead of a few hours. puke once, it's best that way. some do not, i personally don't need my liver workin that hard. try as hard as you can to hold it all in for at least and hour, maybe two...that's all it takes.

It is during 3rd and 4th that one may touch the stars, dream, see people, see lifetimes, practically anything is available to those of strong will and empty mind. One can sit for 8 hours without a problem, each new thought interesting, or even remain completely thoughtless and in pure bliss. most first timers will not experience this, i certainly did not. But by my third trip I was mastering it. My first time I couldn't even really walk anywhere or do anything, now i go into the city, swim, whatever i want...meditating is the best by far though. Unlike LSD, DXM gives nice feelings, I have never seen anyone get paranoid on it, so one really doesn't have to worry even about being 'right with oneself. you can be completely delusional (as was i in college) and have a great trip and learn more then you ever imagined. it kinda clears my thoughts for the next month or so, happiness and easy communication.

I can't really tell that much more. If any experienced want to talk with me that is fine but I can't post my magic up on a mssg board, it's not for the inexperienced and there are "beings" that exists taht pose a threat to the transcendental tripper, ppl can kill you there, it is not all happy fun and games and I want to remind everyone of that. believe it or not, powerful sorcerers still exist, so do certain demigods, you can talk with them (if you can call it speech), you can fly through realities, and you can also offend them, this is a BIG deal. I was fortunate and stupid. remember that this is a summary too, I could seriosly write a book about my first experience alone, not to mention the fast that this sort of meditation has taught me how to enter lives and experiences of other beings. remember that diviners are not all 'divine' they simply can 'see'
. a judgemental heart will not stand in the world of deep out of body meditation.

so if anyone has any questions i will be happy to help, but i have to KNOW you somewhat to make sure. i don't want to get anybody hurt or killed.

for now EVERYONE, continue with regular meditation, maybe you will each be able to shut down your minds for at least a few minutes, maybe even an hour or so, but some ppl I have know have spent weeks 'there,' there is no need for undo trauma.

drugs give us the power to manifest OUR thoughts, our thoughts are interconnected like the web, we can surf, a few ppl can break your firewall though, they can visit your mind or your dreams, so you have to be careful, learn to protect yourself.

and the best action is inaction, but most are incapable


so happy meditating, it will boost yer lucidity. happy dosing, it will uber-boost yer lucidity. just remember: once you gain the clairity to control and manifest your own destiny in your REAL life, you have to remember that clairity itself is an illusion and has trapped and tempted many souls into eternal damnation, this is no joke, this is no game, your life is real and not worth useing others, not worth fucking this world up any more then it already is. i pray you all find clarity and deny it! Karma is its own. If you attempt to control your life, life will surely control you. if you respect life and simply let it control you, you will find that you were controlling it all along, because you and God are the same stuff.

happy dexing! prz talk to me if you're seriously gonna try 4 the first time, ok. peace