Wild = Obe?

Hey, everyone. I'm back. I used to be here frequently and now I'm just checking back! How's everyone been? I'm actually at work right now, hehe. Overnight shift, no supervisors around.

Anyway, so to get to my subject. WILDs seem to be very similar in nature an experience as OBEs. But would any of you go as far as to say that they are the same? I mean, I've heard that OBEs are much more realistic and it's as if you are really still "in your body". Not saying OBEs are "really out of body", but maybe that they're not WILDs? What's everyone's opinion on this?

Scientifically speaking an OBE is not real and just a WILD.

Welcome back.

Well an OBE could be a WILD they both involve the same steps, you could just say that the OBE part is a dream from a WILD and you just don't realise it.

Hi. This morning I woke up from a DILD to OBE-state. I figured instead of stand up like a regular OBE and walk with my dream body, I decided to let my self fall onto a light sleep.... Suddenly I was sinking through my bed but stopped half way through.. Because I was unable to sit up i roled out of the bed and down on the floor. A little afraid of waking up I figured I would touch my legs to get more feeling of my dream body.. This acctualy worked because when I stood up and walked out of the room the dream was so clear, bright and vivid. It`s one of my best LD-experiences Sad enough it only lasted for 20 sec. Mainly because I started talking ( I should learn to shut up)..

My point is OBE and WILD share a lot of simularities and what experienced this morning could be explained as both a OBE and a WILD.. Its not a black and white boarder. It`s part of the same thing..

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Out of Body Experiences (OOBE)
Moving into the WILD state is often associated with a feeling of leaving one's body. For this reason WILDs are frequently associated with Out Of Body (OOB) Experiences and are sought out by those who take a psychic approach to lucid dreaming.

At least one technique for inducing OBEs has also been reported as useful for inducing WILDs: whilst relaxed, close your eyes and visualise the room you are in. Visualise yourself, sitting or laying down. Make sure that you can really see every detail. Open your eyes, check the accuracy of your visualisation, then close your eyes again and repeat. Once you have the room fixed, visualise yourself moving out of your body, out of the room and into the desired dream.

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I dont know how accurate this is, but it helped clarify for me. That sounds like an intense LD Elsig, thanks for sharing it.

scientifically, i've no idea
in my small experience, they're probably the same thing with different names and different philosophical background. or more precisely, OBE is a way to name those WILDs that have a particular set of characteristics, like strong phisical sensations, realistic setting and high lucidity - making the general sensation strong (sometimes disturbing) enough to involve metaphisical interpretations.

then again, i suppose that being those more real than standard LDs or not can be only proven or disproven experimentally
(which is surely interesting to do)

The definition of OBEs seems to have changed...and now apparently everyone has them. Can't say I agree with this notion. I still think OBEs are different from WILDs, and that most people on this forum who think they've experienced an OBE, haven't.

OBE isn't WILD. As far as I know, WILD stands for "wake induced lucid dream." ... But you aren't lucid. So it's more like a WID. XD

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Originally Posted by Abra

As far as I know, WILD stands for "wake induced lucid dream." ... But you aren't lucid. So it's more like a WID. XD

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Sorry but that's not correct. You ARE lucid...that's the whole point of inducing a WILD.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Sorry but that's not correct. You ARE lucid...that's the whole point of inducing a WILD.

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so.. what about then you woke up... woken up lucid real life? :roll:

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Sorry but that's not correct. You ARE lucid...that's the whole point of inducing a WILD.

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I was referring to saying OBE is a WILD. But in an OBE, you force yourself out of lucidity by believing you aren't dreaming.

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Originally Posted by roguext22

so.. what about then you woke up... woken up lucid real life? :roll:

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Um...what? That made no sense.

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Originally Posted by Abra

I was referring to saying OBE is a WILD. But in an OBE, you force yourself out of lucidity by believing you aren't dreaming.

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Hmm...ok...well that's not what you said...

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As far as I know, WILD stands for "wake induced lucid dream." ... But you aren't lucid. So it's more like a WID

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Anyways...

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Originally Posted by Abra

I was referring to saying OBE is a WILD. But in an OBE, you force yourself out of lucidity by believing you aren't dreaming.

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only if you believe it's not a dream.
if you believe it's just another kind of dream, you're still lucid.
oh well, names:roll: - if it works like a ld, it probably is....

Most people have dream like OBE's, like doors on the ceiling, etc. that's a dream imagry, and not a real OBE.

Doors are not on the ceiling, and someone from this forum said he had an OBE but someone was talking to him like he was next to him, and nobody was there, then he got woken up and his friend was there talking to him, more dream imagry.

Real OBE's are being able to
go to a rooftop you've never been to before and know exactly what's been up there and get everything right, not know of people you've never met
or heard from and talk to them, see family with you as you're both out of body and find out
that person died as you had surgery, go down a few floors and hear people having a conversation only for it to be exactly right, down at the end of the hall family crying and talking and getting it exactly right, visiting family around the world and have it confirmed what they talked about and what they did at the time in question. THAT'S OBE's, not dream imagry.

Also, dreams/ld's are random places at random times, these OBE's are in the exact place you are at right now.

then again, until you don't get confirmation from OTHERS, you can presume EVERYTHINg of this to be just a dream. It's perfectly possible to have a LD where you are in your room and everything looks perfect.

obe is then you are in real life, in earth when body sleeps..and you can check that shops, buildings are in the same places, because its real life not imagination/fantasy/daydreaming/dreams/lucid dreams..

given nothing has been proven
(there's no report of a succesfull "read the number on the paper" experiment, for example), there's no way to say that anything more than dreams are involved.

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Originally Posted by italianmonkey

then again, until you don't get confirmation from OTHERS, you can presume EVERYTHINg of this to be just a dream. It's perfectly possible to have a LD where you are in your room and everything looks perfect.

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I'm sure it would be perfect in your room, you know what your room looks like and even just a tiny look around you know subconcsiously(sp?) where everything is, so you create your dream reality. It's the things you DON'T know that are perfect and you get it right is what's different from what you DO know is right.

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Originally Posted by italianmonkey

given nothing has been proven
(there's no report of a succesfull "read the number on the paper" experiment, for example), there's no way to say that anything more than dreams are involved.

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Read my thread in BD forum called "my big toe", it involves shared dreaming/OBE. Of course take what they say with a grain of salt, they could have just wanted to make people believe but it's their field, why would they fake it? anyway it's sound proof rooms too. but believe it if you wanna believe it. You pretty much gotta take everything with a grain of salt, alot of liers in the world. then again you could say they were hypnotised, and were listening to the guys voice dictating what they were doing, but it doesn't sound that way when he tells the story, just what they are doing, and they say the other guy is with them.

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Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I'm sure it would be perfect in your room, you know what your room looks like and even just a tiny look around you know subconcsiously(sp?) where everything is, so you create your dream reality. It's the things you DON'T know that are perfect and you get it right is what's different from what you DO know is right.

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ok, than go prove it.

i will believe, when somebody will prove. before that, i call them dreams.

(didnt see the last post before, but i don't change my mind)

Untill it's proven by confirmation all you can do is take it as a dream.

uh.... so it turns out we agree

I guess so. I've never WILD/OBE'd, just know what they are and what to expect by the millions of stories i have read.

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

Scientifically speaking an OBE is not real and just a WILD.

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What about the OOBE inductions where they confused the brain, using cameras and a stick (or something like that). I wouldn't say that they induced a WILD, so I don't think that WILDs and OOBEs are the same.

in that case it's not wanted nor recognized as a dream from the dreamer, so it's allucination.