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      Dreammask?

      Heyy yesterday i saw and ad for Dreammask. www.thedreammask.com


      is it good? does that one really work? or its just and imitation of the novadreamer? it cost 299.99 is it worth it?

      and has anyone ordered it from www.thedreammask.com?
      cause iam really anxious to LD! i havent lded in 5 months =/ , =(
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      It's probably no better or worse than the Novadreamer. Looks like a copy, though. I highly doubt that the guy who claims to have invented it really did, because the Novadreamer was around a long time ago.

      Whether you already know or not, the Lucidity Institute will soon have a new version of the Novadreamer available. No one just knows just how soon.
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      I wonder how effective these type of products actually are?

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      Quote Originally Posted by psychology student View Post
      I wonder how effective these type of products actually are?
      Some say there are, some say there are not so effective. Maybe it's individual?
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      I thinking of trying one, but I don't want to waste a substantial amount of money on something that ends out crap.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psychology student View Post
      I thinking of trying one, but I don't want to waste a substantial amount of money on something that ends out crap.
      Well, these guys have a money back guarantee.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Luminous View Post
      Well, these guys have a money back guarantee.
      Hmm?

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      Quote Originally Posted by psychology student View Post
      Hmm?
      Read the site that's linked at the top of this thread.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Luminous View Post
      Read the site that's linked at the top of this thread.
      I did, but I didn't see anything about a money back guarantee first time.

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      Wait, before you shell out that cash

      Consider this: http://cre.ations.net/creation/face-...-dreaming-mask

      $60 complete, $30 for the kit.

      Never tried it, but sounds legit. Nate true is more known for his jailbreaking skills on the iphone, but check out the time fountain, majorly cool.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
      Consider this: http://cre.ations.net/creation/face-...-dreaming-mask

      $60 complete, $30 for the kit.

      Never tried it, but sounds legit. Nate true is more known for his jailbreaking skills on the iphone, but check out the time fountain, majorly cool.
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      Oh yeah, I saw that time fountain a while back, and then totally forgot about it. That thing is pretty clever.

      I have never known anyone who wears a dream mask regularly. I've known lots of people who have tried them with mixed results. It will definitely get you some strange dreams, false awakenings, and lucids.

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      Those dream masks really seem like they would logically be the easiest way to lucid dream however Robot makes an excellent point in that I've never run into anyone on the net or off who used one consistently.

      I'm still pretty curious to try one but that ridiculously high price is totally un-doable!
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      Why would you waste your money on that? Can't you see it's a fucking scam?
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      Cause I'm trying to save the earth, but you're just getting in line to rape her

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ostego View Post
      Why would you waste your money on that? Can't you see it's a fucking scam?
      Well you think stephen laberge and the lucidity institute are scam artists you surely dont have a clue the nova and others where made by them and all they do is detect rem sleep stage then send signals of light into ur dreams and then when you spot the lights in ur dreams you become lucid. But i also read in a book that people sometimes seen the lights as fireworks in there dreams and did not become lucid.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cannabisman View Post
      Well you think stephen laberge and the lucidity institute are scam artists you surely dont have a clue the nova and others where made by them and all they do is detect rem sleep stage then send signals of light into ur dreams and then when you spot the lights in ur dreams you become lucid. But i also read in a book that people sometimes seen the lights as fireworks in there dreams and did not become lucid.
      Oh, I thought it was just one of those regular eye covering things. But I still don't believe it, even if it's from a "lucidity institute".
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      Check out my thread HERE

      It's how to make your own dream mask for 5 bucks!

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      Quote Originally Posted by nicobinho View Post
      Heyy yesterday i saw and ad for Dreammask. www.thedreammask.com


      is it good? does that one really work? or its just and imitation of the novadreamer? it cost 299.99 is it worth it?

      and has anyone ordered it from www.thedreammask.com?
      cause iam really anxious to LD! i havent lded in 5 months =/ , =(
      bye
      Hello nico and everyone on this thread - This is Bruce Gelerter inventor of TheDreamMask.

      The DreamMask is just a tool that you use along with programming yourself before bed, journaling, etc It is good at detecting REM and even SEM (Slow Eye Movements) which I believe are more common than rapid eye movements. Your eyes move with the dream scene.

      Soooo if youre having sex, or running for your life you will have REM and if your dreaming of having dinner with your woman, looking into her eyes and looking at her hair and face you will have SEM. The mask picks up both by being able to detect when your eyes are at center or rather crossing center. There needs to be a number of these crossings for the mask to "know" that it is real REM or SEM not just random movement in bed. Then a timer waits about 45 seconds before the lights start flashing.

      And no it's not at all a copy of the Nova Dreamer it was redesigned from scratch to be better. Like 4 LEDS per eye instead of 1 OR easily adjustable brightness and volume controls. It's also totally analog so there are no frequencies being beamed into your head like the processor driven OLD Nova Dreamer was.

      Also The DreamMask uses very low levels of infrared to detect the eye movements. When the Nova Dreamer was designed 12 years ago, LEDs and opto-receiving devices were not very sensitive. So in the Nova Dreamer, the infrared was turned up soooo much that I wouldn't be surprised if you got a mini sunburn on your eyelids by morning.

      But that was then and this is now.

      You can find out more at www.thedreammask.com

      Also you have no-risk in trying it with our 60 day money back guarantee. Someone from this thread should give it a try and report back.

      I will try to answer any questions you may have so fire away.

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      Infra-red never gave anyone sunburn, that's UV.
      http://ideaplace.org/Why/Sunburn.html

      I tried your mask, the old nova dreamer was way better.

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      Quote Originally Posted by nicobinho View Post
      Heyy yesterday i saw and ad for Dreammask. www.thedreammask.com


      is it good? does that one really work? or its just and imitation of the novadreamer? it cost 299.99 is it worth it?

      and has anyone ordered it from www.thedreammask.com?
      cause iam really anxious to LD! i havent lded in 5 months =/ , =(
      bye
      It's a clone of the NovaDreamer (even if it is a modern day version)
      I've owned a couple of NovaDreamers in the past and sold them on eventually (actually wish i hadn't, just because they are a nice bit of lucid dream history) All in all, probably was in possesion of a Nova Dreamer for about 10 years altogether.


      However, whilst they are a useful aid, they by no means guarantee a lucid dream.

      They can be quite uncomfortable to wear, getting the setting right can be a pain and also even if they do give you a lucid dream, the cues go off every 5 minutes or so, so once you're in a dream, chances are the lights will flash again and wake you up. Also they have an annoying habit of slipping off during sleep. Also, when sunrise arrives, the sensors arn't quite as effective (unless you have very thick curtains that keep a lot of light out)

      If you have that sort of money spare, and are really into lucid dreaming, it's an interesting investment.

      You'll also need to condition yourself to do a reality test each time you see flashing lights during the day. So it's not like the machine does all the work.
      To be honest, you could probably achieve a similar (and much cheaper) effect by getting a timerplug, setting it to the early hours of the morning, and having it set off a CD player with a piece of music that you have conditioned yourself to do reality checks with. Obviously it's not as specific as REM detection in the NovaDreamer and its clones. But to be honest, i found that quite often the NovaDreamer would throw out some false positives.

      If you want an easy quick way to experience lucid dreaming, then try Galantamine pills, they are far more effective than the current electronic devices out there. Much cheaper and work directly on the chemistry of your brain (to put it simply galantamine helps keep your mind clear and your memory intact... both vital for lucidity) Also if Galantamine dosn't always work (as it dosnt, but it is very effective compared to a dream machine) even when you don't go lucid, you'll have very very vivid, interesting memorable dreams. So you'll still wake up with something interesting having happened.


      Still, personally, i've experimented with the electronic and chemical lucid dream induction methods out there. I just prefer to develop the skill naturally. That way, it's always there, it's yours to own. You don't need batterys, you don't need pills. It's yours forever. It's the same as learning mathematics over owning a calculator. One is a skill, the other is a tool.
      Best have the skill and then use the tools when you need that extra help.

      So, in all honesty, i'd say save your money.

      ALSO, the long awaited NovaDreamer 2 is close to being released soon. So i'd wait for that if you really want a machine. It'll have more functionality and better research behind it. Plus, if you really want to spend money on such things, its better to give it to the people who are developing the technology rather than people copying it to make a quick buck (can't say this for certain about the company selling the dream maker, but i do have more faith in a device designed by someone as well known as LaBerge)

      In short. If you buy one expecting it to give you lucid dreams on demand you'll be very dissapointed.
      If you buy one because you have an interest in the technology, and understand that it's a tool and technology in development... then you may find it interesting.

      When i used to own one, i'd lend it out to friends often. Not many had a high success rate.
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      Actually going to make a few additional comments as i may have been too harsh a judge on this new device.

      Perhaps some of the original Nova Dreamer problems will have been ironed out with this new device.

      The credentials of the designer of the Dream Maker seem reasonably respectable, still, i do have more trust in LaBerge and co.

      As for the Nova Dreamer 2. I'd still suggest waiting for it to be released and see how the two compare in functionality and design. $299 is quite a big sum of cash for the average person to invest in such a device. And a bit of healthy competition between the two may push prices down, at the very least it give us buyers a chance to pick the model that seems to offer the most for our money.

      Still the most vital point is that all these dream machines do not guarantee a lucid dream. I find the advert for this new device to be a little cheesy and implys that it WILL give you lucid dreams, which is a little misleading.


      Look at it this way. Lucid Dreaming is a FREE skill that we can all learn.
      It's part of what it is to be human.
      We really don't need to be paying large sums for machines that MAY slightly help your chances.
      Because even if it improves your chances, it reduces your own self sufficency. Not a good trade off in my opinion.

      Plus the skill we learn in developing lucid dreaming naturally are actually benefical in our waking life. Questioning, detachment(when required), critical thinking etc.
      You don't get this with a machine.

      I'm not completely condeming them. They certainly have thier place in the Lucid Dreaming world.
      They just are not miracle machines.

      A lot of the best things in life require a little effort to learn the skills required.
      But the payoff is that you then have those skills and that knowledge for the rest of your life.

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      There is one determining factor whether TheDreamMask will work for you, and that can be determined within 5 minutes of taking it out of the box.

      We now include what's called a REM detection Kit. It puts the mask into a test mode where you get to hear thru tones your eye movements. So you put the mask on put on in the test mode and when you move your eyes you know that the mask is picking up REM - no question about it, you can hear it.

      Now you know when going to sleep it will pick up eye movements and give you a signal. With 4 leds per eye you can adjust it to be pretty bright, like flashlights. Then of course you can lower it all the way down. Then there are the sound tones as well.

      So if you know it's picking up a signal from REM and you know that the light will get into your dream as well as the sound, how is there any question whether it works or not???

      If a tool like this isn't useful for becoming lucid - what is? Everyone has the ability to become lucid without the mask but some people are just having a really hard time and the mask helps them.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dreammaker View Post
      There is one determining factor whether TheDreamMask will work for you, and that can be determined within 5 minutes of taking it out of the box.

      We now include what's called a REM detection Kit. It puts the mask into a test mode where you get to hear thru tones your eye movements. So you put the mask on put on in the test mode and when you move your eyes you know that the mask is picking up REM - no question about it, you can hear it.

      Now you know when going to sleep it will pick up eye movements and give you a signal. With 4 leds per eye you can adjust it to be pretty bright, like flashlights. Then of course you can lower it all the way down. Then there are the sound tones as well.

      So if you know it's picking up a signal from REM and you know that the light will get into your dream as well as the sound, how is there any question whether it works or not???

      If a tool like this isn't useful for becoming lucid - what is? Everyone has the ability to become lucid without the mask but some people are just having a really hard time and the mask helps them.
      I'd still say galantamine is a more effective tool.

      As for if it "works"... I have no doubt whatsoever that it will "work" in detecting REM and flashing lights/beeping at you. If it "works" to give you lucid dreams, that's another matter altogether.

      One thing i'd like to know. Is there the option for it to CUE you one REM is detected, then NOT cue you again till say maybe 15 to 20 minutes later?
      I found the nova dreamer waking me midway through a lucid dreamvery frustrating.

      Also does this device allow for feedback?
      Or is it purely a cueing device?
      Can the eyemovements you make whilst dreaming initiate programs?
      Such as have a set eye movment for "Im lucid now, no need to cue me again" which the device then recognises and initiates that particular subroutine?

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreammaker View Post
      There is one determining factor whether TheDreamMask will work for you, and that can be determined within 5 minutes of taking it out of the box.

      We now include what's called a REM detection Kit. It puts the mask into a test mode where you get to hear thru tones your eye movements. So you put the mask on put on in the test mode and when you move your eyes you know that the mask is picking up REM - no question about it, you can hear it.

      Now you know when going to sleep it will pick up eye movements and give you a signal. With 4 leds per eye you can adjust it to be pretty bright, like flashlights. Then of course you can lower it all the way down. Then there are the sound tones as well.

      So if you know it's picking up a signal from REM and you know that the light will get into your dream as well as the sound, how is there any question whether it works or not???

      If a tool like this isn't useful for becoming lucid - what is? Everyone has the ability to become lucid without the mask but some people are just having a really hard time and the mask helps them.
      sounds good i wanna try it but i dont know what my parents will say the theory behind and and what ure saying sounds right so when u dreaming the machine senses/sees rapid eye movement and make a sound and uses lights?
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      Quote Originally Posted by maxy126 View Post
      sounds good i wanna try it but i dont know what my parents will say the theory behind and and what ure saying sounds right so when u dreaming the machine senses/sees rapid eye movement and make a sound and uses lights?
      Yes - that's right.

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