PLease Some one Do you think you can help....

I've dream lucidly since i was young but got much better with not waking up as i got older....
around nine i was able to start change things in my dream that would help me through my nightmares though i prefer to let things run naturally....
BUT....
here the weird part i don't know if anyone has this problem too....
there is one thing in my dreams i have NO control over....
A man...
and i've seen him in my dream since i was old enough to remember my first dream...
i was about 5...
he is the one thing in my dreams that i have no control over an odder still he has control over things in my dreams as well......
i've heard people say many things ....but i don't know i was hopeing someone could help...

At first i was going to say that there's a possiblity it was just another dreamer hanging around, but you said that it can control things in your dreams to so it sounds like your dream guide to me. Also it could just be your subconcious manifesting itself or something like that. I'm leaning towards more to the idea of the dream guide though.

Dream guide.....
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I get it but i don't believe it
i was more willing to go with the someone messing with my dreams....
i only gave you parts of the story.....
if you wanna know it in full...i'll tell you but it might take a few paragraph to explain

Well i dunno, last time i checked, other dreamers are not supposed to have control at all in YOUR dream. It's like someone going into uncharted territory, there not going to know what the hell they are doing. Im willing to hear the whole story if you want...

Oddly enough, I've had a girl in my dreams appearing every once in a while since I was about 5. In fact, ever since I moved to Canada. Is your birth year 1986 by anychance?

It's vague, but I've been seeing different visions of a girl, blonde hair, green eyes i think, looks like an angel. Aswell I feel that I've known her from a time before time. Yet at the end of every dream with her, it becomes more of a blur.


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I also once had a recurring dream with Penny the Clown who kept control my dreams and fears. In the end though I kicked the crap out of him and he didn't bother me no more. 8)

i was about 5 when i first saw him in my dream but at the time i could only see his eyes...
they bugged me and i tried to make them go away when they didn't i was uneasy but ...mentally thought looking couldn't hurt....

I i got older he because far bolder in my dreams but still hiding him self
it took me till i was 14 to get him to show me his face
this is the dream
I'm standing in the most beautiful place i've ever seen It's a valley full of flowers, trees and just life in general when i breathed i felt the life of it all.
And I knew it felt me.
I walked up to the pond and as I walked I was greeted by people I knew but I've never met before and i was happy to see them, because it felt like it had been a long time since I had.
I finally reached the small pond next to a willow tree and something felt odd i felt the precence of death and i looked into the pond. I had no refelection
A tear fell and made a ripple in the pond i turned and walked to the tree and held out my hand to touch it and when i did Something like a shock wave happened everything lost colour the tree turn to ash before me the people faded turning to dust all around me and the only thing left was the pond and that was as black as the rest.
I stared at it for a long time untill i felt as black and empty as it looked then i felt some one hold me and they told me that in the darkness was always light and all i had to do was look for it and i'd be ok.
Suddenly i saw the night sky above me and all the little stars that where there an i felt ok
I asked if i could see him and he told me even if i did i'd never remember what he looked like when i woke up... so i turned around and i know i smiled when i saw him and i woke up.

there are many more the last few have been alarmingly real and i've had no control over them...

Last Night dream..
Well I was back in the forest standing on the pond alone..... looking around...
the trees were dark and the night sky was still out...
the moon was still bright and full
I noticed that I was sinking into the water and I saw him coming towards me.
I noticed the water ripple I wasn't scare I was calm and peaceful...
the water engulfed me and I saw him watching me looking down at me he had a blank look on his face....
I can feel the water move of it's own accord around me making me twirl and tumble....
I notice i'm in a skirt again....(i don't normally wear them...)
I'm far away from the surfface but the water is still bright around me...
I can see it moving I can't breath and I feel my self letting go..
on the surfface I see him looking at me I think he's smiling...
I feel the water cacoon me and it goes dark....
I'm in the dark again....the light around me....it's quiet... empty...
I'm wet... soaking wet...looking at memory's that float by things from my child hood but i'm not seeing them right i never see them right...it looks like I'm another person seeing them....watching myself learn to swim.... riding a bike.....cross the road...my first bully....cut knee....
he comes out of the shadows and then i see something odd the memory changes ....the only memory i have were I'm not looking from the out side
( this is how i remember my memories in real life I see them from a distance...)
I"m on the swing at my grandmother house and i'm swing by myself for the first time... and my grandmother and grandfather and i think my father are watching me swing.....And i remember being the happiest in my life in that one momemt....
he stood behind me....
he spoke "I gave you that moment...
were you could see through your own eyes
close enough to reach the sky....
but just out of reach ....
you were your happiest just trying....
to get close to the star...to the moon....to your heart....
don't forget that feeling your going to need it..."
he brushed my cheek with his hand and kissed it....
"always remember..." he whispered....

this sound messed up i know but ..It's F ing fustrating.....
the dream before this was so odd i actually shot to the end of te bed cuz i thought he was next to me.....
I control my dreams when i think or feel to overwhelmd by thing but i normally let them go...but now ever when i try to take control away from him i can't...

1985....

:? ......... Last question I promise. Do you have blonde hair??

dirty blonde hair....
hazel eyes...birth day september 4

wow...i have to tell ya...those dreams are deep and a little freaky(especially that guy).

Ill try my best. Honestly, i dont think this guy is evil. He sounds indifferent(he is by no means the stereotypical goody goody hero). It sounds like this guy is testing you, probably making you ready for something big thats going to happen. Or maybe he's trying to tell you something about yourself, something quite important about yourself or someone close to you. That last part, where he told you that tip/warning sounded like he was trying to well, warn you for something and preparing you for something. I know that sounds mushy, but meh. If you would like go to the chat room right now. A number of us are discussing about this right now

Another dream.....for a while ago..

I was back in the dark once again
I was walking on the void which was like floor only you couldn"t feel it under you feet (oh and i am bare foot)
As i'm pacing in the darkness i notice i seem to be the only thing giving off any time of light.
I step and look around and then he's there (This man has been in all of my dreams since childhood age 5)
i know he's there but he's like the shadows part of them born form them....
he's starts saying that even in darkness there is light that they are one and the same,
born apart but forever one...
suddenly i feel i'm being split apart ripped apart at my very core.
then i see them my light fade away and before me are the one that make me 2 women and a child.
The one woman has long black hair and deep green eyes and tanned skin,
The other woman has long white hair pale skin and stormy blue grey eyes both seem to be in the 20 to 30 range...
then the child is smileing at me she was dressd in all grey and held a small stuffed bear....
Her eye where like oceans and her skin was pale her hair was a mouse-ish brown colour
they all came together the child infornt and the to women behind, and then i was staring at myself, at the light that surrounded me, I felt nothing....(Meaning Nothing at all)
He stepped forward still in shadow and touched me and whispered to me
"Mine....."
The force of the one word sent me flying to the end of my bed in a whole world wind of emotions it sounded so real that i thought he was next to me....it felt like he was next to me....
it took me an hour to calm down...even now it still feel the power in his voice

Wow that's some weird powerful stuff. I'm confused about your lack of control when he's in your dreams. Do you just not realize you're in a dream or are you like just flowing with the dream and can't break free like it's a film?

If you're a lucid natural I figure you could just tell him to 'go away' or 'get out' to take your dream back. This guy seems like a perfect dream sign too, every time you see him you must be dreaming.

Try telling him to "go away" or "get out". I'm sure with practice and will power you can take all your dreams back. On a side note, I'm one day younger than you :wink:

I don't mean to pry but could he be [manifested by/linked to] male figure(s) in your real life? or lack there of.

have you asked him what he wants, and why he's there?

you should try summoning him in a lucid dream, maybe that way you'll know when to expect him, and can do whatever you've planned.

perhaps you should just talk to him. Embrace him and look at him as he is a part of yourself that you should love. that is if you're lucid.

i think that because you've seen him as powerful and important for so long, like he is something that you have no control over, now you expect it so much that he is very powerful to you. If you can think of him as a part of yourself that needs to be loved as something that has a purpose, not as something that is malicious, then perhaps he'll fulill whatever role he has.

hope this helps.

holy crap. anyway you know how he mentioned that light and dark. there is some truth to that that i believe.

"Where there is light, there is darkness. One cannot live without the other"

This sounds like some very DEEP stuff about you. You probably should get someone proffessional to talk to and i really think you should tell your parents about him if you haven't already have. If you have what did they say.

That splitting image of those 3 people i guess obviously represents different sides of you/personality. I have no idea what he means when he says "Mine..."

Im going to have to disagree with ironlung(trying to make him forcibly go away might make it worse) and and agree with muse.v DONT be afraid of him anymore, embrace him as a part of yourself, show your love etc etc. Tonight go give him a hug. I mean you honestly have nothing to lose. I want to see how he would react to love.

The would be No point to calling him when i dream he is there .....
It's not that i don't like him there we talk when he's willing to share things....
he is not someone who is summoned...and as for sending him away i've tired....
I'm not new to lucid dreaming...i've been able to since i was very youg and i've gotten better when i get older...
I give no one power to freely control me........when i say i have done everything in my power to pervent him from controling my dreams as he wishes...which isn't often that he does.....i mean it....

Night Owl as for telling my parents about him .....they are not INTO the kinda things i am and it would be a grave error in believeing that...would be the best course of action.....

as for the mine comment.......i'm unsure of what it means..but have small clues...as of recently.......
anyone have questions or help please feel free to reach me at any time....i have MSn.......
and am more than willing to listen....thanks...

What does he share with you? Do you think you can try that hug thing? I just want to see what his reaction would be.

Im sorry to hear that your parents arent interested in your dreams. How do you think they would react when you tell them your having troubles within your dreams, possibly psychological troubles.

Hug?????

you have no idea.......
He reacts the same way i he always does when i hug him......he hugs back....some times giving me a kiss on the cheek........
you think that i haven't hugged him?
i inteact with everything/one in my dreams...
most importantly him......I treat my dreams as my home.....when some one enters they are welcome to stay so long as they cause me no problems or grief..or harm... in the dream.....as soon as they do i send them away......

AGAIN....I state that i don't mind him there i just dont' want him controling my dreams.......
as well I'm not in need of mental help....
and what would i say.....
Hi A shit load of messed up stuff your never gonna believe has happened to me and i'm here to explain ...so you can...send me to a phyic ward????
Because if i told my parent (NOT BELIEVERS IN THE PARANORMAL)
of all the stuff that's happened to me......that's what would happen.......
sorry... i like my freedom i think i'll keep it for a little while longer.....
and as for the Man in my dreams whom i've call Saph....
To People have met him....
my friend D met him a week before....he past away.....
J said she's seen him.....but won't tell me what he said to her....
I wanna be crazy some times that make more sence to me some times....
I'm tired i need a nap....

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Im sorry to hear that your parents arent interested in your dreams. How do you think they would react when you tell them your having troubles within your dreams, possibly psychological troubles.

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Not all parents understand. :|

:undecided: alright...i understand the parent thing...sorry :P

i find it strange that your friend wont tell you what he said to you. whats her reason for refusing to tell you?

i see now...ok..you might 'anger' him, but try to battle him for control then(punch him, throw projectiles, whatever) IF you want to. To be honest, i have no idea what the hell he is or how the hell he has all this power or whats his reason for being there everytime.

this is slightly weird, but i'm still a firm believer of everything in your dreams being made from yourself, your own expectations, beliefs, fears, and thoughts.

You say you're friends have seen him? perhaps they have had the same nightmare as you if you've been talking about him. I expect that he was different for your friends.. not the real saph?

when i say 'love him' i dont mean that you should love him, because perhaps your problem is treating him as all powerful, so its not something you should 'worship.' Just try to think of him as simply an element of you...

he has to have some reason to be there, even if its just because you're worried that he will control your dreams. If you expect him to be there, and you expect him to be controlling stuff, then he will. you're The one giving him the power.

Perhaps you have worries in life, like a fear of being unable influence your surroundings. you need to let him teach you whatever it is that needs to be taught.

maybe the reason is you looking down on yourself, like you're too easy to control, or you're not on the same level. if this is the case, you should try to think of yourself as equal to him. Make him respect you by having respect for yourself.

perhaps this sounds irrelivent to you, but i think it could work. you need to find out what your problem is, and then let it go, and let him go by loving him for being part of you and showing you whats wrong.

still, this is basically just my opinion. I hope some of this stuff will work for you. Please tell me what you think.

I forgot to say but...have you ever asked what he wants from you? what his purpose is?

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Originally posted by Lex
I've dream lucidly since i was young but got much better with not waking up as i got older....
around nine i was able to start change things in my dream that would help me through my nightmares though i prefer to let things run naturally....
BUT....
here the weird part i don't know if anyone has this problem too....
there is one thing in my dreams i have NO control over....
A man...
and i've seen him in my dream since i was old enough to remember my first dream...
i was about 5...
he is the one thing in my dreams that i have no control over an odder still he has control over things in my dreams as well......
i've heard people say many things ....but i don't know i was hopeing someone could help...

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In my opinion Since you grew up thinking he had more power then you you are unable to relax or change that mind set enough to alter this man. perhaps it was formed simply by a intamacy twoards males... perhaps you don't want to alter what he dose. I like to think of it logically like this since I can't bring myself to believe the chance of another dreamer. From the information given I believe he is only in a more scattered ammount of dreams yes? What I mean is you havea similar dream every month or two? and you remember it from when you were 5? I have had similar experiences with ....certain places... And I think you may be over reacting; on the other side this is quite odd from what I've read. Don't take it to seriously though and just have fun ;)

I agree with Gestaltalteration, truthfully, I think you should put your paranormal beliefs aside. I'm not saying I don't believe it is possible that your having a paranormal experience, but I find that seeing things from a paranormal perspective actually complicates things in the long run. It makes it more difficult to find a solution. Personally, I believe I've seen real angels, devils and aliens, etc, but at the end of the day I always look at the dream as being a dream. I think you should to, it might help you in the long run.

I don't think you'll find a quick fix solution to your problem. When you do find the solution, when you start applying that solution; remember that you may not see satisfactory results right away. It may take some time before you see the results your looking for. Remember patience is a virtue.

It seems that the archetype, Saph, it seems he isn't taking the time to be sensitive to your emotions.

Your dreams are full of life and beauty. In one dream you said that while being amidst that life you felt the presence of death. You also mentioned that in the pond you had no reflection. I don't mean to be insulting, but is it possible that the dream is protecting you from yourself. Not having a reflection is usually synonymous with vampirism. Vampires are a universal symbol which we all can identify with. In vampire mythology the vampire isn't able to see his own reflection because he feels guilt. He is afraid to see his reflection because if he does he will see the truth of his own nature and that truth will devastate him, maybe even destroy him. This is the same reason why vampires can't go out into the sunlight. The vampire hides in the darkness in order to hid from the truth. In the darkness you can't see anything, including the truth. Once in the sunlight the vampire is forced to confront the truth of his nature and it is that truth that destroys him. It's possible that there is a truth about yourself that you choose not to see. This truth may be killing a part of you. Is it possible that you feel guilty about something you are doing or not dong?

You said,

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\"A tear fell and made a ripple in the pond i turned and walked to the tree and held out my hand to touch it and when i did Something like a shock wave happened everything lost colour the tree turn to ash before me the people faded turning to dust all around me and the only thing left was the pond and that was as black as the rest.\"

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Trees, to me, stand for life. To be more specific, they represent the Tree of Life. It seems that like a vampire you carry death. This death may be promoted by your guilt. This is why your touch essentially killed the tree and everything else around you. Vampires are just another archetype you find in dreams. They represent spiritual death. This guilt is killing some part of you and threatens the beautiful world that you so cherish.

Vampires kill humans because they are insensitive to other people's feelings. Humans do not kill other humans because they are humane. Note that not all people who look human is human. People who are humane try to be sensitive to how other people feel. It may be possible that you are neglecting other people's feelings. We all do it sometimes. The question is whether you are doing this purposely or inadvertently. Maybe this coldness gives you a feeling of control in certain situations or at least a part of you believes you will gain some level of control in certain situations, but at the same time this coldness is making you feel guilty. This is why you have been feeling this lack of control in your dreams. There are a few other interpretations, but it would take awhile to get into them all.

You said,

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\"I stared at it for a long time untill i felt as black and empty as it looked then i felt some one hold me and they told me that in the darkness was always light and all i had to do was look for it and i'd be ok.\"

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I think this part of the dream is telling you that even though death has infiltrated your being, do not despair because there is always hope.

The blackness of the pond may represent the impurity.

In one part of the dream you said:

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\"...the only thing left was the pond and that was as black as the rest.
I stared at it for a long time untill i felt as black and empty as it looked then i felt some one hold me and they told me that in the darkness was always light and all i had to do was look for it and i'd be ok.\"

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\"See no evil, speak no evil hear no evil\", it is a phrase you should take into heart. You should never look too deeply into the darkness or else the darkness will consume you. Many people believe that knowledge is power, this is only partially true. Knowledge in moderation is power, but too much knowledge of anything, especially knowledge of evil is deadly. In the dream you seemed to be allowing yourself to focus too much on this corrupted pond. Somehow the pond began to consume you and this person saved you by bringing you back. He helped you to focus on the positive, pure aspects of your dream. This may be what's happening in your life. Maybe something in lie is tempting you away from what you know is right. The longer you dwell on this something the more it becomes a part of you.


Also, in the next dream, you say

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\"I gave you that moment...
were you could see through your own eyes
close enough to reach the sky....
but just out of reach ....
you were your happiest just trying....
to get close to the star...to the moon....to your heart....
don't forget that feeling your going to need it...\"

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This is his way of telling you that it is happiness that makes us strong and it is despair that destroys us. In order to defeat the darkness you must remember those things that make you happy and give you hope.

Evil is designed to be a distraction, drawing you away from what is really important, the good in the world. It is knowledge of the good in the world that makes us stronger, not knowledge of the evil. That is what \"see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil\" represents, it is about not letting the evil in the world consume you. If you let it, evil will hypnosis you. Always be weary and vigilant against evil. Evil exists and you must never forget that, but never let that knowledge of evil consume you.

In a next dream you said that saph said the word, \"mine\". Maybe the word mine reflects a form of selfishness or greed.


Truthfully, I think this guy is an angel. Saph may be a play on the word sephiroth.

I know how negative this must sound, and I in no way mean to be so derogative. What is written here is a reflection of my personality.

Ultimately, if you want to gain control of your dream you must change some aspect of your personality. I know this is easier said then done. When I lost control of my dreams, at some point I realized that I had to sacrifice the traits that made me appear and feel strong. I had to sacrifice traits that made me feel good. Basically I had abandon my pride and humble myself on a level that was very unappealing. I didn't want to do this, but as it turned out doing this was the right decision. I didn't realize it, but the traits I had embraced had somehow been hurting a part of myself. I look back and I realize I am partially grateful that the dreams took the time to reveal this aspect of my personality to myself. Of course I would have preferred If the dreams found a more constructive less hurtful way of doing this, but in the long run I know what they did was for the best.

I have more advice, but truthfully I'd need a book to write it all in. :) If you need more help just ask.[/quote]

Lex, listen to dreamcaster..she is very wise

Thanks :bigteeth: , but I'm a guy :mad:

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Thanks *:bigteeth: , but I'm a guy :mad:

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lmao..well thats nightowl for ya :)...i wonder why... :-P

Lex, can you dream non-lucid at will or are you stuck with lucid dreaming all the time? I'd take a break from lucid dreaming for awhile if possible, thats some heavy shit going on in your dream world. Can any of the experienced people from this forum give advice on stopping lucid dreaming? Maybe you should contact the dream guides. Good luck.

Your very right about the dream,,,, that dream came before a very dark part in my life 4 years ago.....

as for him i'm very certain at this point he is his own being not part of me......
accepting him has come nartaully ....
i give him no control and i have never thought him strong than myself only wiser at times.....
HE IS IN EVERY DREAM.....i don't know how many different ways to say it lol
but if i find no need for him he stays to the side....
no i don't always dream lucidly i like the flow of things when i don't have to think only see.....
I'm not big on angels.........and as for scarifice i did i had to let go apart of my self and my dreams in order to ascept some very hard facts ....but that in now ways has stop him from taking control when he feels i'm in some sorta troble of that there are battles to come.....
if you want the story i'll tell you private message me.....
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funny about the vampire thing though
as for him show me the positive ummm yes i guess he shows me the positive side to life at time but...he was telling me about the peole around me the people that i was very fond of the few friends i have.....
even with all the things i've been through with them
i still say something that i couldnot look away from....
meh i'm one in amillion...i guess...
got question anyone tpye and i'll write....

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funny about the vampire thing though [/b]

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Funny in a 'I'm a long way off type way' or in a 'wow that's kind of true' type way what way?

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as for him i'm very certain at this point he is his own being not part of me[/b]

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Everything is a part of you in some way. Even the people on the message board are connected to you in some way.

Do you ever have dreams about eating? It may be possible that you are consuming something in your dreams that it leaving you vulnerable. The food maybe acting like a trojan horse, leaving a part of you vulnerable to control. Consumption is not just about eating, but it is about using any of your senses to take in something. You should meditate on not eating this food. In your case, if it was me, I would repeat the phrase like "do not consume the food that leaving me helpless".

I'm sorry but i just dont believe you i saw the kid you described in and anime picture at http://www.myotaku.com/users/smittenkitten/
What you say sound to much like it was yaken from somthing i'm sorry i just dont believe you..... :|
and also ppl who read this you might wanna look at this
http://www.freewebs.com/greygoddess/mystories.htm (her website)

you dont have to take my sugestion, but, if you have tried everything you have nothing to lose...

anyway, you could try confronting him and fighting him, (i would do that anyway just for kicks. :roll: ) then tell him to get out, or get any other information out of him


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I'm sorry but i just dont believe you i saw the kid you described in and anime picture at http://www.myotaku.com/users/smittenkitten/
What you say sound to much like it was yaken from somthing i'm sorry i just dont believe you.....
and also ppl who read this you might wanna look at this
http://www.freewebs.com/greygoddess/mystories.htm (her website)[/b]

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uh, i am not sure if this pertains to the discussion... rini,...

Rini...as for my stories....i put my dreams in them...that's why many of my story dreams sound simlar to mine a writer uses things they get from expriences...
The Anime your talking about (yes i do like anime.......i'm an artist i should...)
i've never heard of till you brought it up......also if you had read what i wrote the child was a girl....
honest i don't care what you think you are probably far younger than myself.....
but thanks for looking at my site thought lol
i'm 19....
and dreamcaster...funny as in niot many poele i know that are close to me..family friends..are health people...my aunt and brother are Bi Polar....my mother has MS...i'm always sick 4 times a month.....
to put it nicely everyone in my family has come down with a deadly or extreme illness if i've stayed with them...or vice veresa......that i find strange.....and slightly funny....(funny odd not funny haha)


perhaps were connected....but on what level...as for fighting him i've done it many times Sloth....
i'm starting to think it's as funny as he does....it's pointless in a place were we both have control ......we just can't get hurt.....
well............. i'm sure i could .........don't know about him.....well sorry i do know...but it doesn't matter really...
any who i'm sick this week....again....i'm going to get some bed rest.......
i'll check everything out later.....
got questions...so do i....Pm me if you feel like it...

This was one messed up dream i had last night.......

I couldn't see anything(not LD)
but i could hear people talking....something about them coming and that it would all be soon.....
i heard someone say it's sad...sounded like a female....
i heard another say it has to happned.....this was a male....
some one spoke and said that it would all be worth it..another male....
i heard there feet suffle and i heard Sahps voice...it's coming....the moments soon....
I know i made a movement but i couldn't see....
i heard them say quiet listen....
they didn't speak so i moved again....
Saph told them to go....
i still couldn't see...
he said the word sleep....
and i don't remember hearing or seeing anythign after that.....
it's all way to weird....

whoa, weird....

i think the reason he has control is not because he is supernatural and powerful, but because you think he is. if tries to control you, and you think it will work, then it will.

its all in your head, he is just something that you've given power to.

my opinon is you need to believe he is nothing more than a dream character who you have given to much respect, and until you believe it, he will keep controlling your dreams because you expect him to.

even if he is supernatural, you still need to believe you can beat him... it cant hurt anyway.

the more you believe he is supernatural, the harder it will be for you.

in your dreams, your subconcious makes the rules, but you make the rules for your subconcious, because your subconcious is merely your beliefs and expectations.

/preach off

:P anyway, i hope you find something that works.

alright i've understand what everyone has said believe me muse.v your not the first......
secound i have given over no sort of control over to him .....
as for the it can't hurt thing.....
you have never woken up with cuts and brusie after one of your dreams...so please refrane from telling me it can't hurt...cus it does.....lol
(no i don't sleep walk or roll...ask the man i sleep with......)
I don't know what to believe he is because i have no control over him....
.......trust me i've tried........with all i've had......but it was like being cut off from what gave me strengh when he took over....
I'm not going to be on here for a while i have to get my wisdom teeth out.....so i'll be all drugged up on pain killers......oh joy......(sarcasum)

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Originally posted by Lex

i have given over no sort of control over to him .....

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I have given control to other dream characters in the past without realizing it. Since the sub-conscious has multiple layers, you may have done or said something to him in the past (which you have forgotten) that allowed him to gain some kind of control. If you are lucid enough, test him. Ask him questions about where he comes from, why he is in your dreams, etc. If he becomes defensive or violent or negative toward you, you'll at least have a better sense of his motives. What are your spiritual beliefs (if any)?

Dreamcaster:
You've said many things which seem to resonate with some of my dreams, particularly regarding vampires and eating/consumption. I've had some dreams wher I become lucid right in the middle eating something, then realize that I'm eating garbage or some other non-edible substance. I spend most of the rest of the dream trying to "purge" my dream body of the substance by spewing it out of my mouth and ears ( while using some kind of breathing exercise... weird
:barf:

yes i'm pagan.....
....oh boy you really think i'm a beginner at this.....
as for asking him questions i have he's gotten angry with me when i ask who or what he is......or if i ask for a name...which is why i gave him one i got tired of saying hey you.....
as for why he won't leave he only says he's waiting for a moment....
i've asked him about lots of things...from flowers to fishing...even about food...
i know of 2 people who have also seen him My friend J
and another one who past away a week after seeing him...both refused to tell me what he told them.....
i dream and i Lucid dream.... both places he is there...i've fought with him he's left marks on my arm...from grabbing my to hard....(yes i woke up with them)
and to prove i'm not faking the man i've been with for2 years has woken up to view the marks himself as well as a few of my friends....
He's not part of me...if he was i could join with him....his not part of me...because i can't feel him like a feel the rest of the beings in my mind....i've met many of the character that make up the peices of me....
i don't know what he is but he doesn't belong there...he is interuding.....
i'm 19 i've been trying to learn more about him since i was 14 and saw his face for the first time....i've been studying dreams since i was 9
i'm not unknowledgable....
(but i do have bad spelling lol)
as for where he comes from he said.... A place that I can't be.....

yes i'm pagan.....
....oh boy you really think i'm a beginner at this.....
as for asking him questions i have he's gotten angry with me when i ask who or what he is......or if i ask for a name...which is why i gave him one i got tired of saying hey you.....
as for why he won't leave he only says he's waiting for a moment....
i've asked him about lots of things...from flowers to fishing...even about food...
i know of 2 people who have also seen him My friend J
and another one who past away a week after seeing him...both refused to tell me what he told them.....
i dream and i Lucid dream.... both places he is there...i've fought with him he's left marks on my arm...from grabbing my to hard....(yes i woke up with them)
and to prove i'm not faking the man i've been with for2 years has woken up to view the marks himself as well as a few of my friends....
He's not part of me...if he was i could join with him....his not part of me...because i can't feel him like a feel the rest of the beings in my mind....i've met many of the character that make up the peices of me....
i don't know what he is but he doesn't belong there...he is interuding.....
i'm 19 i've been trying to learn more about him since i was 14 and saw his face for the first time....i've been studying dreams since i was 9
i'm not unknowledgable....
(but i do have bad spelling lol)
as for where he comes from he said.... A place that I can't be.....

You might be able to delete that last post since you doubled...

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Not really. I just don't remember you saying anything about grilling him.

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as for asking him questions i have he's gotten angry with me when i ask who or what he is......or if i ask for a name...which is why i gave him one i got tired of saying hey you.....[/b]

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Sounds like he/it's got some kind of hold on you, but it is not unbreakable. I'll pm you later with a little more elaboration on that...

I have My Wisdom Teeth out Ouch....
if you write hear and i don't anwser....sorry..i'll be out of it for a few days....oddly enough i had the best sleep i've had in a while when they knocked me out...i hate insomnia...lol
and just to go on the record i don't care to get rid of saph i really just kinda wanna know what and who he is...
as well as how to stop him from butting in from time to time.........
also i just wanted to know if anyone else had these types of exprience and i couple weeks ago i had the worst dream....
i'll put it up when i 'm better in a few day..
thanks every one for your help so for all of you

this was a few weeks ago i had this dream for about 3 nights..

I run into a house.. the wall paper is green but i can't make out things to well.
I feel afraid and I feel a need to hurry I'm throwing things...into a bag.... my things .... I make out furnture....I'm running away from this place....the house is beautiful...in a very victorian style
wood floor, area rugs,wood table all in a dark colour.... though it's all burry like i'm crying...it feels like I've been crying.....
I turn and notice smoke.....I panic....
because I'm upstairs...I run to the top of a of the stair case it covered in flames .......I'm very scared now...not for the flames....
but because i know it means somethings wrong.....somethings happened.....
I run back to the room where my bag is I notice then i'm in an old fashion gown
I sort of collapes i'm having trouble breathing and I feel very hot it's starting to hurt the floor cracks are letting smoke into the room i haver no where to go i'm trapped...
I here someone shouting for me but i feel the flames all around me...i know the flames hvae burned me I am in so much pain.....
I see some one in black come in through the door....I hear coughing
i see his eye through the smoke and flame blue as always...
he grabs me but it's to late....
Some how the next thing i know i'm outside he's leaning over me telling me not to go.......
I close my eyes
I hear him tell me to wake up.....

and I do....

Sounds like you have great recall. If I were you, I'd try techniques to increase awareness...? If you can increase lucidity, you can overcome ANY anxiety, panic, pain, or discomfort in your dreams.

If you're looking for an interpretation... I'm always hesitant to attribute any meaning to others' dreams. You are your own best interpretter.

i do i have very good recall most of my dreams are very vivid....
and i always know when i'm dreaming....
which makes becoming Lucid easier for me...
as for the pain...well it's not been as bad lately before i use to wake up with actual phsyical marks....
never knew what to make of that...be it's all but stopped lately
i hate teeth....Wisdom teeth the most...grrr

I seem to know when I'm dreaming too, I said somewhere else as well that I think my brain has a second awareness while I'm asleep that means I can think thoughts outside of the dream as well as in

There are varying levels of lucidity I guess, but specifically in regards to your above dream, you mentioned panic (which you can get rid of by analyzing the dream's meaning rather than being emotionally immersed or involved in them).

If you realize you're dreaming, then ideally you would also recognize that things like panic or anxiety are unnecessary and that - since it IS "just a dream" (sometimes this takes some difficult convincing, I know) or at least YOUR dream (thus you are its author, able to control, harbor stability, and hopefully realize peace rather than fear or pain).

For example: I have also experienced being on fire, but because I was lucid enough and knew that they were not ACTUAL flames, I envisioned rain to extinguish it (or one can even envision yourself as glass or some other non-flammable material). Just a couple suggestions...

i don't dream lucid all the time yes i knew i was dreaming but i was going with the dream.
i was curious as to what was going on...those were the feelings i picked up from the dream it self not my own panic or fear....just what i felt....

it was the dream itself that made me interested it has been along well since i dreamed about fire and it was odder that i had this dream 3 nights in a row....
i was just wondering if anyone hadany helpful hint as to the meanings or reason behind it all ......
plus it's a really odd dream

Keeping a journal (which is something I haven't done regularly for a while and I keep procrastinating on) has helped me tremendously in being able to understand my dreams. :cookiemonster:

i do keep a journal...but the meaning behind it doesn't make sense as to whats happening in my life right now....
that why i find it odd and thought some one might help....
it's been a long time since i had a dream about being burned to death...
a couple of years....
just thought some might have a freash out look

Lex, about your dream, it may be about the deterioration of some aspect of your personality. It is possible that the Victorian house represent innocence and high levels of sophistication and refinement, but for some reason something is destroying this part of you.
In my dreams I find that take on the form of self-fulfilling prophesies. What you expect happens does happen. Maybe you expected something bad to happen so it did.

The fire itself may represent some type of mistake you made. Based on what you said, it is possible the mistake was your attempt to take 'your' possessions. Sometimes in our dreams we fall into the belief that everything in 'our' dreams is essentially ours, but this is not always true.

For example in my dreams there used to be ALOT of wealth. I thought because it was my dream that everything in the dream belonged to me. As a result of that belief I coveted all the wealth I could get my hands on. I was able to become a decillionair (multi-billionair) in my dreams. Unfortunately, by taking more wealth than I actually needed, I inadvertently created an imbalance within the economy that sustained my dreamscape. The economy represented a type of 'intellectual' blood which helped sustain the civilized aspects of my soul. I learned that your archetypes follow the example that you set. In my case being covetous encouraged the archetypes to be covetous and when everyone is taking in your dreams and no one is giving all hell breaks loose - so to speak.

It is possible that in your dream, the same thing happened on a smaller scale. Negative fire, which is destructive, essentially represents sin. In this case it may represent the sin of greed. Something you fear in your life may have caused you to become covetous. Sometimes fear of loss causes us to cling unto things a little harder than we should. In the process of holding on to tight, we stop giving to others, we stop sharing.

Maybe something in your life hurt you creating this fear of loss and as a result you began to withdraw. You stopped sharing some material or immaterial aspect of yourself with others. It is sharing that encourages true spiritual wealth. By not sharing you destroyed the element that sustained the innocence and the wealth of the house.

This greed takes on the form of a all consuming fire which takes the house and maybe even you life. Fortunately, it seems that there is someone who is willing to help find your way out of the fire, out of the hurt and fear which destroyed the home. Sometimes when we are hurt we are unable to help ourselves, so we need others to comfort us, guide and nurture us until we get well. In your dream this person tried to encourage you and give you the will to stay awake.

Evangel, I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you. I haven't been on this specific topic for awhile. What you describe is very similar to what I experience in my dreams. It seems we are on the same wavelength.

Dream Caster thanks for the insite....
i'll think about it all...
oddly i feel a lot more....mentally unclouded...i guess you could say thanks for your help i honestly mean it

NP, I'm happy to help :)

Have you tried doing things with Saph? It sounds like he's a reasonably passive character and lets you do everything except when he feels he needs to interfere. I often find that I get to know a lot more about a person when I do things with them than if I simply talk to them. When a person has to be silent sometimes their actions say much more.

If you haven't before, try getting him to help out on some sort of quest or excursion. Then, try studying his actions: the way he works, facial expressions, hidden meanings in body language, etc. I haven't had this problem, personally, but it's worth a shot if you haven't tried it yet. If you have, I apologize for taking up space on this server :)

-Ame

Yeah i have but meh...i've got a new guest now too....but i'm not sure about this guy...(another man but he's got a tattoo of a Sun on he shoulder looks tribal)
He's got green eyes feild green eyes creepy as it sounds they seem to glow....don't feel a threat by him... he seems curious ....
......but to know more than his fair share?
don't ask me what i mean but Saph seems to know him from somewhere.....
maybe he's apart of me but he doesn't hang around long enough for me to find out....
i'll find out soon enough though i'm going to try tonight...
i'm still trying to find a name for him so i don't have to call him hey you i hate that.....
well write back if you can....

What the crap....

This dream was the end of the 2 week long sex dreams *sigh*
last nights dream was weird and i didn't have another after it...
(can't tell if that's a good thing or bad yet lol..... )
but heres it is

it started again as i was falling asleep i got that weird pulling feeling and then the floating with the darkness and the white shadows
and i felt like i was dropped out of the sky and i opened my eyes and it was blurry for a moment
but it cleared
saph was there smiling......
i felt weak for a moment but managed to walk to was he was next to a tree and stream
but the other half of this place was shadowed by what looked like the universe, stars, galaxies....
he asked if i would like to go for a walk....
and we did

i saw an odd deer it didn't seem right neither did the rabbit that came next
then i turned to look around ( wasn't scared or at all affected very far from it i felt safe and whole)
i saw a really big flash of light and the it looked like a tear but it was right in front of me and the inside of it was orange and red and purple...... and Nyi came threw
He saw me and then he saw say and he looked pissed off
he grabbed saph and almost struggled him *saying something about he shouldnt' have done this that i wasn't suppost to be here so on *
saph still stayed cold and distant to him and stood he ground not every butting an eyelash
then Nyi turned to me and he seemed scared and anrgy
"leave get out of here...your not suppose to be here.."
then as he pushed me he spoke very loudly
"LEAVE NOW!"
and it felt like i was falling and the white shadows were purple and blue and yellow now and the wall were red and black and white
it felt like something was shot fast into my stomach

(that's when i wake up or at least my eyes are open...)

that was last nights dream i woke up to the sound of a squealing kitten (my cat just had kittens and decided my room was the best place to put them...the kitten didn't like that and sqeeled up a storm....also she caught some mice as well so some good came out of lack of sleep...lol)

any ideas guys i'm pretty stumped... :?

a dream from a few days ago
this one ways weird and i've had a few more
but all different and most of them just random

ok i remember i was ranningto catch something I was in a forest rivene
and then i came to a cliff it wasn't overly high but it was pretty big
there and a beach next to it and i saw someone on a raft
far out on the ocean
so i ran to back to the base of the cliff and down the jill that were next to it i had a little boy with me and i call him my brother i was older than him by what had to be 14 years he seemd to be around 5
he saw are parents on the boat
he had a small stuffed animal
i was looking for somethig to use to go after them
it was weird becase when i looked back he was gone
i looked around and saw him swimming out towards the boat but they were to far and i knew he'd never make it
so i swam out after him i finally catch up to him but soon realized i had swam out to far myself he was starting to drowned and so was i but i managed to get a hold of him and keep swimming (all the while i felt a great consern for life in general)
i could see the boat it was close i could swim to it but i'd risk drowning
i had a better chance of caughting them if i could make it back to shore but i'd still liking drown
but i keep swimming
and finally i decided (thought very quick ) to swim back to shore
i couldn't make it i knew i wouldn't but i tired anyway
(also the sky was clouds atthe beginning of this dream but i could see the sun throught)
suddenly i noticed the sky had gone blue and i realized my head and my brothers had gone under
were were going to die i thought and i started to pray to god(pagan and not big on god also i was praying in my head)
i said please god help me if you do i'll never doubt you again .......suddenly i didn't feel the warm wet ocean any more (also the sky had turned red like the sun had gone down)
i remender the feeling of sand and i thought it was odd so i liked up and over head flew a bunch of angels
the one that put me down (did the cowboy tip your hat thing only her wasn't wearing a hear)
and they were in odd battle gear
smiled and flew off
it was odd the were dark all of them but i didn't feel afriad only really curious and shocked that i'd been saved (but not so much shocked)
i saw him fly off toward a large ball of light in the distance a long with many others and i just stood there on the beach with my little brother in my arms
and at this point i realized his toy wasn't a bear it was a yellow rabbit and i woke up

the odd thing about this dream was i wan't panicing
or afraind i was rather claim as it everything happened even as i was praying and drowning
but well i thought it was odd
cause my little brother in the dream was saph.......
got a clue i don't
for give my spelling i'm sick lol

Lex, not to push my views on anyone, but have you considered that the man may be from a previous life? I have experiences similar to this and in each one he was trying to show me something through a serious of images from said past life or a refernece file in my brain (for lack of a better term). The human brain can't possibly understand certain pieces of information. Contrary to what a lot of humans think, we are not the center of the multiverse and we were not meant to know or understand everything. Our souls take this information and translate it to something that or human minds can understand. Hence, dreams.

Also, Dreamcaster's interpretation was damn good. My advice: take whatever you will of all this advice and let it help you find your own answers. I think that may be why he's there--to provide the questions. You will not learn everything you need to learn right away. Maybe not even in this lifetime. Goddess knows, I'm still learning and it's been happening to me since my memories began in this body. If this is the case, good luck and bright blessings through this journey. I'm confident you'll find some understanding. :)

If not, just ignore me. I'm just the resident freak anyway. :D

~Willow Mae

well that starting to seem like a common opinion amoung many on here that's hes either a spirit or someone i knew from a past life....(meaning it could be both)
i don't know what to think honestly i beleive in past lives and stuff though it's unnerving to think about something like that to me
it make me wonder if the choice i'm making this life
in love or other things are well founded
the dream i had with the angels was highly odd to me
anywho meep.......whatever

last night i had a dream i couldn't see anything but the there was a little child singing a song over and over
i can't rememebr the tune but the words were weird.......

*Look for me in winter
Amoung the falling snow
By the broken tree
the one we use to know

snow fall, snow fall
twirl and turn
snow fall snow fall
return, return*

it was weird alnight long this song seemed to play in the dream and i could her the voice singing
but i couldn't see
i'm creeped out ..........i beleive rightfully so
?!?!?!?!
and i had a lucid dream were it started off me in front of a mirror in an old fashion saloon and i was holding a powder puff and (thats were i knew i was dreaming) and ran a can can show *woo hoo* but that was after i set the puff ball on fire teehee go flaming poof.....(no pun intended i think)
anywho got to run

man it's been along time since i've seen this post
hmmm

lol it's how i met most of you