Lucid Hotspots?

Ok, I know alot of you won't believe me, but I think that there may be some places on this Earth that substantiously help you lucid dream. The other day, I had to sleep on the floor of a hotel, I was also in a city as opposed to a town, but I had an incredibally clear and powerful DILD!!! This is odd because this is my second LD ever. But what blew me away was that another dreamer, Echosun13, had to sleep on the floor the next day. Guess what she had? Her 3rd LD, it was also a DILD. So what I am saying is that there may be some places where LDs are more common. Any other ideas?

Maybe it's affected by places you haven't been before or rarely go too?

I mean, it's like one of those psycic study things I read or something...

When scientists did a survey or whatever on people who claimed to be "psycic" they found that they weren't very psycic but the people said that they felt better when they are at home or someplace their familar with.

So maybe LDing could be effected by unfimilar places?

That makes sense, but I had stayed for two nights, as did Echosun13 ( realize that this is not nearly enough to base a "Study" on, just an idea..). I only had a LD when I was on the floor, and she only when she was on the floor. So maybe it wasn't the floor, it was just me being in the city and giving Echo the placebo push that she needed.

I stayed in a hotel one night, and that night had an extremely vivid and emotional dream. I think unfamiliarity has a lot to do with it.

a lot of you seem to be mentioning hotels, and unless you just stay in hotels as a hobby, I'd say youre also talking about travelling. I've always noticed that travelling disrupts my sleeping pattern, and it also makes a lot of sense considering the kind of stress and potentially, time changes, travelling involves. My thought on this is that this disrupted sleep pattern happens to cause your brain to demand a greater amount of restorative REM sleep, giving you more and more vivid dreams that are easier to become lucid in.

I hear this argument a lot, that if you sleep some place new - you might have a more vivid or lucid dream

so I go on vacation thinking, gee! im gonna have a great dream tonight. and the opposite happens to me, I tend to wake up with no recall :(

I dont think ive ever been able to have a vivid or lucid dream away from the comfort of my bed

I hear you man! Whenever I travel and sleep in a hotel, or sleep over a relatives, I always have at least very clear dreams. I'm pretty sure it's because your subconscious is aware while your sleeping that your in an irregular location, so it is more alert, resulting in vivid dreams. Sleeping on a coach u never slept on before has a similiar affect!

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Originally Posted by juroara

I hear this argument a lot, that if you sleep some place new - you might have a more vivid or lucid dream

so I go on vacation thinking, gee! im gonna have a great dream tonight. and the opposite happens to me, I tend to wake up with no recall :(

I dont think ive ever been able to have a vivid or lucid dream away from the comfort of my bed

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Well, maybe the hotel beds are SO COMFY that you sleep all the way thru your dream, thus, not remembering it. Maybe it's the most ridiculously lucid dream ever, but yer just sleeping all the way thru?

Well congratiolations on that one!
I say, it's because

1. You are in a new place, so your mind goes into 'aware of dangers'-mode. As in, instinctive stuff.

And/or

2. The had floor keeps you slightly awake, making it work like an anchor to reality, as I believe someone explained in a WILD tutorial. (Link comming up in an edit)
EDIT: Blah, can't find the right one I think, it was made by BillyBob though.

I'm actually seriously considering trying to sleep on my floor tonight. Hrmmm. Besides keeping me conscious and aware, it should also be a clear message to my subconscious that I'm serious about my intentions. Har har! Now that I've said that, if I don't, it will be a message that I'm not serious about it :< I'll report back, investigation!

Anyways, since you said it, I think there are ALOT of things that could mess with your dreams, like, from the Moons gravity, the Earths north & south poles, pollution in your air, temperature, light. So definetly, some places are better then others, I agree. Woah, imagine if we found a planet filled with gasses that kept the human mind conscious all the time. Ohsh-

Maybe it's being close to the ground. The last time I slept in a hotel I slept on the twenty-second floor, and I had no recall at all, so I doubt that that would have been very good for lucids.

Hmm, I live on third floor. So I'm not that close to the ground at all.

However, when I was in Norway, (I made a thread about that) I was actually sleeping UNDER the ground (Or well, under the earth the building was built on, that very earth was 800m over the ocean though.) I had incredible recall some nights, and ZERO recall at others.

Also, if it was, I doubt those 2 feet would do much difference :p

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Originally Posted by Maeni

Anyways, since you said it, I think there are ALOT of things that could mess with your dreams, like, from the Moons gravity

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No. The variation in the moons gravity has so little effect on the human body, it's equivalent to the change in gravity to something as minute as going up 3 floors in a building.

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Originally Posted by John Updike

No. The variation in the moons gravity has so little effect on the human body, it's equivalent to the change in gravity to something as minute as going up 3 floors in a building.

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Originally Posted by Maeni

Hmm, I live on third floor. So I'm not that close to the ground at all.

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Hmm... three floors, eh?

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Originally Posted by John Updike

No. The variation in the moons gravity has so little effect on the human body, it's equivalent to the change in gravity to something as minute as going up 3 floors in a building.

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Yeah well, I was really just pumping out stuff, but still, what do we know? Maybe there's an effect on some brainwaves or something.

I was just saying that I think there are alot of things that could change our dreams, even that we do not know of yet.

EDIT: Oh shit, 3 floors indeed XO

Well I had a lucid dream drought for a month or two and I was flying back to Corfu and had a lucid dream.

This does not help the debate at all because it could have been because of it being a new place and because of the different gravity.

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Originally Posted by Kamikaze Spirit

Well I had a lucid dream drought for a month or two and I was flying back to Corfu and had a lucid dream.

This does not help the debate at all because it could have been because of it being a new place and because of the different gravity.

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Yeah, your right...
I think we should try put an astronaut outside the spacecraft, and then have him try to lucid dream.

I just saw a program on Discovery channel or National Geographic about some waves that went through space that made astronauts see lightning, small dots or lines on the inside of their eyes, because their brain would think they saw light. That would make for an interesting dream fuckup.

Oh and they kill braincells.

But yeah, it's really hard to discuss what affects dreams. If your going to test, say the existance of Dream Guides... It could be placebo, self induced, a lie, real, something else. I mean, when it comes to dreams, even just poking the person can move dream mountains.

i had my first lucid dreams this week and i am at a hotel too!!!, but i am trying to use MILD to wake up cause i dont have my alarm, i do not care i just hope i can perfect it before i come back home, so i can LD all the time!!!

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Originally Posted by Maeni

Yeah, your right...
I think we should try put an astronaut outside the spacecraft, and then have him try to lucid dream.

I just saw a program on Discovery channel or National Geographic about some waves that went through space that made astronauts see lightning, small dots or lines on the inside of their eyes, because their brain would think they saw light. That would make for an interesting dream fuckup.

Oh and they kill braincells.

But yeah, it's really hard to discuss what affects dreams. If your going to test, say the existance of Dream Guides... It could be placebo, self induced, a lie, real, something else. I mean, when it comes to dreams, even just poking the person can move dream mountains.

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Cosmic rays. Travelling at near C speeds and generally HUGE energies, when they hit a medium, they cause a particle shower which includes the emission of photons. And these particles are hitting astronauts all the time, so when they are in the dark for long enough, they see faint flashes beneath their eyelids.

Radiation... awesome

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Originally Posted by Maeni

Yeah well, I was really just pumping out stuff, but still, what do we know? Maybe there's an effect on some brainwaves or something.

I was just saying that I think there are alot of things that could change our dreams, even that we do not know of yet.

EDIT: Oh shit, 3 floors indeed XO

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yeah sure, it's ultimately POSSIBLE that variations in gravity affect our brainwaves, though extremely unlikely, but since such variations would be so miniscule by probably a number of orders of magnitude in comparison to something like, say, the temperature of the room, they're not worth considering in any real discussion of brain wave patterns/dreams. If we want to discuss locations for enhanced dreaming, stuff with a direct effect on brain activity like sensory input and biorhythms are much more worth considering.

It's not a good use of time to throw up our hands and say "oh there are so many potential things that could indirectly effect our brain activity during sleep, we'll never know" when we do know a number of significant factors in sleep and REM sleep/dreaming that could come into play while sleeping. Sleeping on the floor may be a good thing to explore, since the floor is uncomfortable and you may sleep more lightly, but that also may result in less/lower quality sleep so that the frequency and duration of REM cycles changes.

Black Tar Heroin

sounds like The quantum physics String Theory.

Like the movie Jumper

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Black Tar Heroin

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that's how I do it

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Originally Posted by John Updike

a lot of you seem to be mentioning hotels, and unless you just stay in hotels as a hobby, I'd say youre also talking about travelling. I've always noticed that travelling disrupts my sleeping pattern, and it also makes a lot of sense considering the kind of stress and potentially, time changes, travelling involves. My thought on this is that this disrupted sleep pattern happens to cause your brain to demand a greater amount of restorative REM sleep, giving you more and more vivid dreams that are easier to become lucid in.

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I guess that doesn't work for me. I spent the last 12 months travelling and I never had a lucid dream - plus, I remembered almost no dreams whatsoever during that time.

As far as I know the belief is that sleeping in unfamiliar or unusual places/positions/whatever is good for lucid dreaming because it means that you are instinctively going to sleep differently, that you are sleeping lighter because your body is still not accustomed to the environment, and that helps you maintain consciousness or attain lucidity more easily. Then of course you could factor in the placebo effect, or like someone mentioned just the thought that carries on into your dreams of "Wow I'm sleeping on a floor (which I hope you usually don't do)... hmm wait how can I be sleeping on a floor if I am standing on a mountain right now? Oh wait, I must be dreaming!" I know this happens to me a lot when I go to bed way later than I should... normally if this thought is in my mind, like I'm having trouble falling asleep and don't until 3 am, I dream of a clock and realize that I went to bed at 3 and have a DILD.

Anyway that is my belief, and I think why so many induction techniques suggest sleeping in strange places (on your couch, backwards or sideways in your bed or on your bedroom floor, etc.)

I find that when I travel, I'm usually exhausted so I sleep pretty heavily. I'm going on vacation for ten days to my dad's, though, so I'm planning on cultivating some lucids while I'm there. I usually get a couple because my bedroom there creeps me out, so I never get into too deep of a sleep! Add in the strange sounds of his neighborhood and house, and yea... the ideal LDing environment!

I dunno about all that... I mean, I've gone camping quite a bit in my life, and my dream recall is nada, 99.9&#37; of the time. Maybe the fact that sleeping on a tent "floor" is a lot less comfortable than sleeping on a hotel floor has something to do with it, but I really have no idea. As far as my dreams go, travel = not good.

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Originally Posted by Lëzen

I dunno about all that... I mean, I've gone camping quite a bit in my life, and my dream recall is nada, 99.9% of the time. Maybe the fact that sleeping on a tent "floor" is a lot less comfortable than sleeping on a hotel floor has something to do with it, but I really have no idea. As far as my dreams go, travel = not good.

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I think being in a tent out in the nature is very different to being at a hotel when traveling.

I was not sure why I thought that when I first read your post, but I think it's this;

Say you are on a vacation where you got the beach, pools, all kinds of sightseeing to do. Then you go do those things during the day, and once you are done, you go back to the hotel, that's where you sort of zoom out of exploring mode. When you go to bed, you have the thoughts of the day in your mind, and now you are sort of in the middle between safety of home and excitement of the vacation.

But, say you are on a trip of staying overnight in nature.
Ugh, it's hard to explain methinks, but I just feel like the 'zooming out' feeling ever comes in that, it feels like one never really gets out of it, never getting to think of anything else. It's only when you really get home that you think about it all.
(Warning; from my own experience/Not sure if I'm talking shit or actually something.)

the point I was trying to make isn't that "travel" induces more lucid dreams, just that it tends to put you in situations where your sleep patterns/schedule and habits (bed vs. floor, smells, temperature, noises around you) may be drastically or at least somewhat different. Like any other factor, those things can either have drastically positive or negative effects on your dreams or anything in between, everybody reacts differently. The key would then be to determine for ones self what the ideal mixture of altered sleeping arrangements would be, but if that involves changing time zones it's probably not all that efficient of a way to have more lucid dreams.

Actually...a possible reason why some individuals experience this type of phenomena is simple: Your mind becomes more alert upon being in certain places other than your home, which is much more familiar to you. Thereby, alertness is contributed to awareness and viceversa which lead to frequently having lucid dreams. Last but not least, lucid dreams feed on one's awareness in order to process in your mind...
--I hope this woke some senses:)

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Originally Posted by Reality_is_a_Dream

Ok, I know alot of you won't believe me, but I think that there may be some places on this Earth that substantiously help you lucid dream. The other day, I had to sleep on the floor of a hotel, I was also in a city as opposed to a town, but I had an incredibally clear and powerful DILD!!! This is odd because this is my second LD ever. But what blew me away was that another dreamer, Echosun13, had to sleep on the floor the next day. Guess what she had? Her 3rd LD, it was also a DILD. So what I am saying is that there may be some places where LDs are more common. Any other ideas?

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You should have your scientist license revoked. Weren't you taught in high school that you can't draw such broad conclusions without testing a large amount of people, controlling the extraneous variables, and being able to repeat the study results? Correlation does not equal causation!

Wow funny you posted this, it just hit me, that I've been in a slump last week, and going in a hotel on sunday i had recall and ld