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Hello! I'm new to this whole concept and was reading about it online, and this one thought hit me. Could doing this ever become dangerous? Maybe I watch too much movies, but could this somehow distort your sense of reality? Perhaps you thought you were dreaming but actually wasn't and jumped off a building? Perhaps I'm just paranoid. :P
Yes. If you're a nutjob. >_>
Trust me,you don't have to worry about that. You don't lose any sense of reality.
Yeah it's totally harmless considering the fact that regular dreams don't distort reality either.
Heck, if anything I'd say with all the reality checking I do, I'm MORE aware of the difference between real and dreams.
You're only at risk if you're schizophrenic and already can't tell the difference between what's real and what's fantasy. As already stated, lucid dreaming if anything makes you more aware of your perceptions.
And don't jump off any buildings until you definately know you're dreaming. ;)
Just don't jump off buildings in your dreams and you should be fine.
I get this alot from my parents, mainly my mum because she's a Christian, and she thinks lucid dreaming turns you away from Christ and can also drive you insane. I don't believe this for two reasons,
1. I'm not religious, so I have no religion to turn away from.
2. Like MrDoom says, lucid dreaming can be dangerous only if you are schizophrenic and/or like Mini Man says, a nutjob.
its only dangerous, if you have a watch that occasionally shows non-existant times!
Just remember to do something implausible, like putting your finger through your hand, before doing anything that would have undesirable consequences in real life, and you should be fine.
Just for fun:
It's too heavy. The amount of lift a plane gets from it's wings needs to at least match the force due to gravity pulling it down. Also: in a crash, you want most of the airframe to fail, reducing the acceleration of passengers as it 'crumples'.Quote:
If the black box on a plane is supposedly indestructible, why don't they make the whole plane out of it?
Well... some people may think it will only happen if you are a nutjob or schizophrenic, but I've heard a few stories about people on Dream Views running into walls thinking they were dreaming and so on. So, it is possible to just do stupid things like that. Like other people say though, your sense of reality will probably become better... well I must admit that the world does seem a little bit, um, faker ever since I've started lucid dreaming since it seems too easy to replicate.
That's why I use two reality checks which cannot be duplicated in real life; the nose reality check and a "flying" reality check. I won't do anything stupid until I've accomplished those.
So, I actually say that if you are not careful lucid dreaming "can" be dangerous. Better be safe than sorry.
~Yosemine
Better yet, why is the black box orange?Quote:
Originally Posted by archdreamer
I really don't think the material the plane was made out of would matter in a major crash.
Crumple zones, no crumple zones, perfectly indestructible airplane frame, whatever, when you're in something that smashes into the ground at 500MPH+, you don't walk away unless you got damn lucky.
The first person I told about lucid dreaming was my mom, and she declared "That can't be safe" Lol. Incidentally two weeks later she had a nightmare and asked me for help @_@Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlong
Have you ever noticed a lot of religious people think anything fun or remotely self improving "turns you away from God" ? OH no, you feel good? you learned something about yourself!? THE DEVIL IS IN YOU BOY. People also tend to condemn things they don't understand. Myself, I am religious, Christian in fact. Well my interpretation of it. Lucid dreaming evil? Turn you away from God? dangerous? No. In fact, I hereby thank God for giving me the ability to lucid dream and the will to learn. Right here, THANK YOU. But yeah, don't jump off buildings, or do anything you wouldn't do "out here" without passing some reality checks. Good ones.
Also above, I didn't mean to attack religion, it just upsets me when I see the concept of God taken to the extreme and used for persecution/segregation/scare tactics. One last unrelated thing, but I feel strongly about it. If you have children, and believe in God, don't tell your kids they will go to hell if they don't believe in God. Belief from fear of hell alone is not belief in my opinion. And besides, you can still believe in God and go to hell. Obviously the devil believes in God, don't you think?
Edit: The above paragraph is my opinion. I don't mean to tell you how to raise your kids. I was forced into being "saved" because I would go to hell if I didn't. That's why I believed in God for a long time, until I decided to find a better reason. Now I've got that reason, I look at the world, and it doesn't add up without God. Simple as that. But I just wanted to explain why I feel so strongly about that.
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Originally Posted by Websters Prophet
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Originally Posted by DNK
You really have to consider how dangerous life already is; I mean, I have nearly fallen to my death wide awake, let alone in a dream-state.
Not to get too far off topic, but, are we all of the opinion that if you die dreaming then the dream ends?
Not necessarily. I've heard stories where people dream they're a ghost or dream they go to various afterlives after dreaming that they've died. Personally, things just don't kill me in dreams, although I have been woken up before by things that would kill me if they were real.Quote:
Originally Posted by redrabbit
PS. Religious discussions here almost always get really ugly, which is why we restrict them to the religion sub-forum. Could everyone please keep it there, where it's easy for me to ignore?
Unless you easily get addicted to things like video games, LDing is not dangerous in the slightest.
Oh, and the black box is orange so they can find it easily.
I think a lot of people here dont understand that when you are dreaming your essentially taking a moderate dose of DMT. Its a psychadelic and believe it or not when you are in REM sleep its what your body produces. Every time your dreaming, your actually just tripping mad balls on DMT. But of course its harmless, if you didnt dream you would go insane
(I just read Serith's post, but I'm going to keep the religious part of my post. If anyone has any questions or comments you can PM me so we don't clutter the thread.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Everlong
Your mom must be one of those crazy, up-tight Christians that twists whatever they don't like into something satanic. I don't like those people at all because it makes other Christians like myself look horrible.
The Bible never says, "Thou shall not lucid dream,"
and it never implies anything about taking control of your dreams, so it doesn't matter.
To the original poster:
Everyone's already said the main stuff, so listen to them.
It isn't dangerous as long as you aren't stupid.
Probably the reason why I ditched Christianity, It doesn't give you freedom, its always, 'What would Jesus do?' or 'God will help everybody'. You can't think for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leixor
P.S, sorry for any Christians I may have offended.
Jesus is a very personal thing nowadays, though. Asking WWJD is the equivalent of asking, "what would I do if I were 'perfect'". One only needs to follow it as much as they wish to be "perfect" in their own eyes. It, of course, presumes an understanding of "perfection" along the lines of the Christian ideal.
I don't think any religion needs to prevent one from thinking for themselves. It does restrain thought in some respects, but on the whole it can still be a fairly open-minded exercise.
I also don't think all Christians consider an interventionalist God. Many think God simply stays out of worldy affairs, or drops by on occasion to make a big miracle, then go back to lazing about. Again, this idea of God pulling a miracle all the time is only held by the more close-minded Christians.
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Religion and Spirituality please.
On topic:
Breathing can become dangerous too. I can inhale toxic fumes, or nerve gas, or drown. That aside, as long as you are COMPLETELY CERTAIN that you are dreaming, you should be fine. Try putting your finger through your palm, in my experience it is somewhat difficult to do while awake.
When lucid dreaming, my dreamscapes are real and fluid to varying degrees, and I travel to real places. In doing so, I most certainly encounter other spirits. Each encounter has the potential of a positive or a negative outcome. A negative outcome has the potential of damaging the physical body. So I say yes, there can be danger in lucid dreaming.
I actually felt like I was dreaming alot today and almost jumped from a high spot!!!
I was really tired though and had been reading about this stuff for too long.
The level of danger is relative to the degree of immersion. And the distanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelephant
and stretch of the aka chord, if thats going on.
For the most part, subliminal aspects of self handle such details and theres nothing that the dreaming self can do to really get hurt. Exotic exceptions to this rule could in theory then be enumerated.
At higher levels of skill, you take on some of those tasks and mishandling them
can be dangerous or at least problematic. Perhaps the most common problem
is of course paralysis, which in a well botched job could last for upwards of half an hour.
As long as you have a body to return to, theres not much you can do in tiferet that can harm you. However, "Harm" is also pretty relative. When one includes spiritual or mental forms of harm, then yes, learning to navigate with skill is important.
The biggest real "danger" as such is failing to seize the opportunity to escape the matrix; ie; adapting lucid dreaming as just another toy with which to play inside of the mental cage.
To put exactly the same variables in different terms, tiferet is a very big hyperspace, and most people only experience the lowest 1 percent of it.
I think you misunderstood. He meant in Waking Life, RL, the physical world, you thought you were asleep and dreaming, then did something stupid because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheuspan
not me because i always know where my real body is in a lucid dream as
apposed to my dream body. I completely understand the whole time what
im doing and what is going on. There is simply no confusing a LD state
with being awake for me. Im conscious of being awake and im conscious
of being in a LD. I can say to myself in a LD, "oh ya i read in the
DVs forum today that i can breath under water so im going to try that
right now." I can think..."oh no the dream is starting to slip away and
im going to wake up." When youre awake youre awake, theres no mistaking
it. Even in a false awakening you wouldnt do something dangerous, unless
you were actually sleep walking right off your balcony thinking youre going
into the bathroom. But sleep walking is a whole separate matter.
I have never ever ever died in a dream, LD or NL....ever! I always wake upQuote:
Originally Posted by redrabbit
before death so ya then it ends, or i escape or change it. Nothing tries to
harm me in LDs also and if i cant fly for whatever reason (which is practically
never) then i just kind of land nice and softly, i never fall and i never get hurt.
BTW after reading everyones posts i feel that you are all so much better
at explaining stuff then i can! :lol:
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i'm sorry. wow. cognitive dissonance.
this kind of thing only ever happened to me once. I was walking around naked
in our yard because i had had a very lucid recurring dream that i had woken up-
over and over and over. It tricked me well enough for me to walk out into the yard naked.
That was when i was 13.
For the most part lucidity period is a sort of cumulative psi energy. If you get more lucid while dreaming you should get more lucid while waking, and vice versa.
I think the argument should be made that part of what was going on was i just wanted, subliminally, to walk around naked in the yard. I fooled myself because i wanted to be fooled, and because i was particularly groggy.
Later on in life my state lucidity has grown, i think the reason why i missed the point is that i just can't really imagine it any more.
For the most part, as you get more lucid, you become harder and harder to fool- even if its fooling yourself. I don't do any of these reality checks, for instance, any more. I just know that i'm dreaming and act appropriately.
:)