I Read In This Forum That....

you cannot LD in the early hrs of sleeping. But that is completely
untrue! The first few minutes after my head hits the pillow is when
i always LD. Maybe its harder for some ppl but its the way i started
many moons ago when i was 16 and learned how to control LDs. Then
they called it Astral Projection and some ppl actually believed you were
actually leaving your real body. I didnt tho, i always knew it was just
a freaky dream. Anyway now i always LD at the very beginning of the sleep
and almost never in the middle of the sleep or at the end. I have done
DIELD, but not often. I just dont choose to recognize when a dream is
ending to then become lucid, because i do enough LDing at the beginning.

You should all know what im talking about when i say......Do you know
when your sooooo tired and you know youll be asleep as soon as your
head hits the pillow? And while youre lying there you can feel yourself
slipping down into the dreamworld but you are still consciously thinking
of stuff...like what youre doing tomorrow or whatevers on your mind at
the time??
That is the exact point when i LD! I can feel myself shifting into it and
i either let it happen or i let myself fall asleep. I am always in my bed
when i start the LD, and i have to always begin my LD there. So first
i have to get out of my house. I dont wish to teleport because i like to
travel by flying to wherever i will go. I let the LD happen when it happens
and ive never try to induce it. Last night i didnt LD. But sometimes i go in
and out of LDs and maybe have two or three LDs but always at the beginning
of sleep.


I dont wish to confuse any newcomers to LDing and i should also point
out that they should keep trying what feels right to them. But i just wanted
to point out that it can happen in the first minutes of sleep.....
I myself am proof! :)

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Originally Posted by supreme

you cannot LD in the early hrs of sleeping. But that is completely
untrue! The first few minutes after my head hits the pillow is when
i always LD. Maybe its harder for some ppl but its the way i started
many moons ago when i was 16 and learned how to control LDs. Then
they called it Astral Projection and some ppl actually believed you were
actually leaving your real body. I didnt tho, i always knew it was just
a freaky dream. Anyway now i always LD at the very beginning of the sleep
and almost never in the middle of the sleep or at the end. I have done
DIELD, but not often. I just dont choose to recognize when a dream is
ending to then become lucid, because i do enough LDing at the beginning.

You should all know what im talking about when i say......Do you know
when your sooooo tired and you know youll be asleep as soon as your
head hits the pillow? And while youre lying there you can feel yourself
slipping down into the dreamworld but you are still consciously thinking
of stuff...like what youre doing tomorrow or whatevers on your mind at
the time??
That is the exact point when i LD! I can feel myself shifting into it and
i either let it happen or i let myself fall asleep. I am always in my bed
when i start the LD, and i have to always begin my LD there. So first
i have to get out of my house. I dont wish to teleport because i like to
travel by flying to wherever i will go. I let the LD happen when it happens
and ive never try to induce it. Last night i didnt LD. But sometimes i go in
and out of LDs and maybe have two or three LDs but always at the beginning
of sleep.


I dont wish to confuse any newcomers to LDing and i should also point
out that they should keep trying what feels right to them. But i just wanted
to point out that it can happen in the first minutes of sleep.....
I myself am proof! :)

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You must have a sleep disorder that allows you to enter rem sleep alot faster than usual.

Like i said, i have to be exhausted, always always super exhausted.
Falling into sleep quickly is not unusual, my husband starts to snore
the very minute his head hits the pillow. :)

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Originally Posted by supreme

Like i said, i have to be exhausted, always always super exhausted.
Falling into sleep quickly is not unusual, my husband starts to snore
the very minute his head hits the pillow. :)

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I thought you meant you do it on a regular basis, and without having a sleep disorder i don't think that is possible. If you didn't have much sleep the previous night then you would have rem rebound which would make you enter rem faster, but i don't see how you could enter rem faster from being exhausted, but i don't know. :?

Maby the reason she was exhausted was sleep deprivation.

Well of course if you deprive yourself of sleep, you go into REM much quicker.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer 316

I thought you meant you do it on a regular basis, and without having a sleep disorder i don't think that is possible. If you didn't have much sleep the previous night then you would have rem rebound which would make you enter rem faster, but i don't see how you could enter rem faster from being exhausted, but i don't know. :?

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oh no....it only happens when im exhausted and ready to fall right to
sleep. I always wait for these moments to happen and never try to
induce an LD otherwise. But believe it tho because its the honest to
God's truth. I always LD immediately when i first go to sleep.....when
i do LD that is tho. Sometimes weeks will go by before i LD. I also DIELD
as well, but very rarely. Ive often wondered why it happens for me when
it does and all i can come up with is that i have to be very exhausted
at the time and find myself in between the state of consciousness and
sleeping. I can also lay down on a couch and then start LDing maybe
5 or 10 minutes later. Im not saying its right right right the minute my
head touches the pillow, but maybe 5, 10 or even 15 minutes later, and
always before im completely asleep. I am so lucid in the LDs that i can
hear real life noises sometimes and recognize they do not belong in the
LD and ignore them. What can i say, im not an LD expert but this is
how i LD. I have always thought i was basically alone in the world of
LDs and i have been doing for many years now! I can always do whatever
it is my imagination can think of. I am only limited by my own mind.
That is why im here now, ive finally found ppl who understand and can
give me more ideas. I mean.....i never ever thought to try and eat a
color before! :lol::lol: But i am going to try it the next time! :D
I am so familiar with the shift that takes me into an LD that i recognize
it right away and it usually happens right away when i go to sleep.
It used to happen at all different times during the night, but now i
prefer to do it right away and then sleep the rest of the night. For me,
i always wake up after a LD so i dont like to be doing that all night,
especially when i have to get up early for work. :)

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

Maby the reason he was exhausted was sleep deprivation.

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I am a girl lol :lol:

Are all of you trying to tell me youve never gone to bed exhausted before??
Sometimes if im wide awake and take a sleeping pill, i will wait to go to
bed until im very tired from the pill. At these times i have LDed as well.
And im not saying you should take sleeping pills to try and LD either.
Maybe this only happens to me and i would love to hear from someone
else who LDs at the beginning of sleep also!! :)

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Originally Posted by CaLeB-

Well of course if you deprive yourself of sleep, you go into REM much quicker.

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Well i get my 8hrs of sleep every night! lol But sometimes when i finally
get to bed, i more tired then other times. lol I dont purposely deprive
myself of sleep....but sometimes shit happens tho ya know? :lol:

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Originally Posted by supreme

I am a girl lol :lol:

Are all of you trying to tell me youve never gone to bed exhausted before??
Sometimes if im wide awake and take a sleeping pill, i will wait to go to
bed until im very tired from the pill. At these times i have LDed as well.
And im not saying you should take sleeping pills to try and LD either.
Maybe this only happens to me and i would love to hear from someone
else who LDs at the beginning of sleep also!! :)

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Sorry, it's fixed now.

This usually only happens to me when I take a nap. But apparently, that's normal for naps. Going into REM right at the start.

Okay, there's something I've got to clear up here. Sleep deprivation and exhaustion do not cause you to have more REM. They don't cause you to go into REM quicker, either. In those cases, NREM takes precedence over REM, and you will have more NREM that night.

REM rebound, if it occurs at all, would occur later that same night. REM rebound may be caused by sleep deprivation, and is definitely caused by alcohol ingestion.

Anyway, it's possible to WILD at the beginning of sleep. Since you describe descending through sleep stages, I think you were WILDing. Which is perfectly fine.