Too many techniques?

Just a quick question I'd throw out there. With all the techs that are being made and in many ways are merely new slants on existing techs is there too much?

I feel that from experience that it's almost a mental block to have so many techniques floating around. For me I'd lay in bed and have a whole bunch of ones in my head. It'd get almost overwhelming in some ways.

In my own LDing I've pruned it down somewhat. Recently I had an excellent WILD. I used the DEILD technique but that technique while superb is just another abbreviation to remember. Still, a DEILD is a WILD if we were to get technical about it. I know there's nothing wrong with more techs and I fully welcome them but for me, personally, I try not to clutter mt brain.

Thoughts?

Yes! Indeed! I've been gone the last two months, and in the time I was away it seems there's been some sort of technique...explosion going on here at DVs. Wouldn't surprise me if we'd have RDALOAJILDs (Rubber Ducky And Lots Of Apple Juice Induced Lucid Dreams) in a couple of weeks >_>

Well, since the human psyche differs so much from person to person this is to be expected, so this doesn't bother me. I think it's nice to see how people do it. You get new ideas and insight on how things are done. The only thing that bothers me are the RDALOAJILDs. It's ok to share a technique, but I think it's a bit too much to compare them with well tested and commonly used or traditional techniques, especially if these RDALOILDs are just some preexisting ones with a slight difference. As SKA allready protested for the past year or so, the forums need to be cleaned up and a certain system for "creating techniques" should be made to organize the whole thing.

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and a certain system for "creating techniques" should be made to organize the whole thing.

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There has been for a long time, in the Research forum. Of course, since most new members nowadays can't even be bothered to read the Dream Views home page, let alone the Research forum, it's no wonder that we have gems like "Guitar Riff Induced Lucid Dream" floating around. :roll:

Yes there is too many. I just stick to what I taught myself before reading any technique at all.

It's very simple really, stay aware and question your reality so often that you do it in your dreams. That's basically all you need to know.
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Unless your WILDING of course. But the idea behind that is still pretty basic.

I voted yes. But there aren't too many techniques. There are too many people who do not understand the basic, fundamental techniques or even the two kinds of lucid dreams (WILD vs DILD). Because of this, they run around claiming to have discovered new techniques, naming them, eager to slap *ILD (except for the people who are even better, and decide not to use ILD, just becuase it makes them that much cooler) onto just about anything and everything. We're going to have to start making up new letters to accommodate these people, when the fact of the matter is that all they are doing is tweaking silly little things about techniques and claiming to be the next mad lucid dreaming scientist. Even though they have no empirical evidence. Even though they are just plagiarizing other peoples' work and ideas.

It's like breeding dogs, and putting collars on dogs. These people adopt a pure bred herding dog, say a border collie, from someone who spent time breeding the lineage for the strongest traits like intelligence, swiftness, the best physical characteristics, obedience, the ability to work well with stock. Then someone comes along, slaps on a spiked collar, and claims that their dog is a rottweiler. No. The breed of dog hasn't changed. Just the way you attach your leash to it. And you aren't the one who bred it. You're just the adopter. But these people love to run around claiming to be the president of the AKC, and all the attention it gets them. When all they did was rip off someone else's hard work. Or even common knowledge. They could pick up a mutt off the street, attach a collar, and claim that it's a pedigree whatever. A strange analogy, I know. I randomly came up with it, but it does the job.

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There has been for a long time, in the Research forum. Of course, since most new members nowadays can't even be bothered to read the Dream Views home page, let alone the Research forum, it's no wonder that we have gems like "Guitar Riff Induced Lucid Dream" floating around. :roll:

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OMG GUISE. I SWEAR. DO THIS IN BED AT NIGHT WITH YOUR HI AND YOU WILL HAVE LUCIDS 100% OF THE TIME! THIS IS A NEW TECHNIQUE CALLED GRILD. HAHA GRILLED. BUT IT'S NOT HIT! BECAUSE THEN THIS WOULDN'T BE A BRAND NEW TECH!!!




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Yes! Indeed! I've been gone the last two months, and in the time I was away it seems there's been some sort of technique...explosion going on here at DVs. Wouldn't surprise me if we'd have RDALOAJILDs (Rubber Ducky And Lots Of Apple Juice Induced Lucid Dreams) in a couple of weeks >_>

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I don't wanna know what the rubber ducky is for.... :shock:

The DV Staff officially only recognizes DILD, MILD, WBTB, CAT, WILD, DEILD, and EILD. That's not too many :?

I definitely agree that creating too many specialized techniques is creating a mental block. When I was first trying to WILD, when I woke up I was confused as to what I was supposed to do. I woke up and after reading through all the different techs, they all kinda melted togeather and I just fell asleep trying to figure out what I was "supposed to be doing."

I think we need to have the original inductions created by other sources, and make a guid to helping yourself and just throw out some ideas what help some people more than others.

It's too confusing the way it is now.

It definitely should be changed asap.

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The DV Staff officially only recognizes DILD, MILD, WBTB, CAT, WILD, DEILD, and EILD. That's not too many :?

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I've never even heard of two of those. I think we need to clean up a little bit around here.

Everyone else think so?

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OMG GUISE. I SWEAR. DO THIS IN BED AT NIGHT WITH YOUR HI AND YOU WILL HAVE LUCIDS 100% OF THE TIME! THIS IS A NEW TECHNIQUE CALLED GRILD. HAHA GRILLED. BUT IT'S NOT HIT! BECAUSE THEN THIS WOULDN'T BE A BRAND NEW TECH!!!

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Sadly, I didn't make this acronym up. Try doing a search on "GRILD"...

I like the fact there are a lot of techniques, it means people can find one that works for them.

Even things like FILD, it may not make any difference if you move your fingers or not, but if it works psychologically with someone, then good for them if it helps then get lucid.

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I've never even heard of two of those. I think we need to clean up a little bit around here.

Everyone else think so?

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http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...splay.php?f=75 It doesn't get much cleaner than that. Unfortunately I think most people don't even go there first.

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Sadly, I didn't make this acronym up. Try doing a search on "GRILD"...

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Whoa... and I thought that was just a joke, although since you referred to it as a gem I DID start wondering... ugh, good god :roll:

And wow... the very best part of that post?! "Now I personaly have never had a lucid but I try to WILD's often." :eek:

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I like the fact there are a lot of techniques, it means people can find one that works for them.

Even things like FILD, it may not make any difference if you move your fingers or not, but if it works psychologically with someone, then good for them if it helps then get lucid.

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Right, the only problem is that FILD isn't a technique in and of itself. It's a modification on existing and basic technique that lots of people think is its own technique. Having stuff like that out there just confuses people. I don't disagree that people should post "HEY- I do this during a DEILD!" or "It helps me when I do this when I WILD."

The purpose of Dreamviews it to teach people how to lucid dream, and to be a forum on the topic. But if we're being a forum at the expense of providing pure, dilute, core information on how to lucid dream, then I personally think that we're doing something wrong.

Hence http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...splay.php?f=75 as the official tutorial section. Pure, straight up, uncomplicated, basic lucid dream induction techniques. The bells and whistles are nice, but not when they distract from the essentials of those basic techniques.

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I don't wanna know what the rubber ducky is for.... :shock:

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Lol. I don't know where you found that pic, but I love you :bowdown:. And what's the rubber ducky for? I wouldn't (want to) know either.

No you're right Shift.

That is a good Database. It's just all the other shit is completely unnecessary.

Lucid Dream Induction Techniques

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Lol. I don't know where you found that pic, but I love you :bowdown:. And what's the rubber ducky for? I wouldn't (want to) know either.

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Hahaha, it's one of the most popular images on Deviantart :D

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No you're right Shift.

That is a good Database. It's just all the other shit is completely unnecessary.

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I wouldn't say completely unnecessary, there is a time and a place for it (preferably, after someone knows wtf they're talking about in regards to induction techniques, but needs things to entertain them while WILDing and etc.). What is completely shit and unnecessary is its presentation- it is false and misleading :(

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:bowdown: and the official tutorials show their merit :D :boogie:

I must say the 'new' tutorial database has been done very nicely. My compliments.

And all these new techniques aren't that bad, it's just that they make everything extremely confusing, especially for the noobs. Maybe it's an idea to call them 'extensions', and order them too (in an extensions database)? Just for the sake of order?

The more techniques the better I say! When one doesn't work another
might. I only use one technique to get lucid (well two now) but while in
the dream I like to use as many techniques as I can remember if I'm
having any mind blocks in the LDs...to me thats where the techniques
come in handy for me. :)

Well that's your guys' opinion. Like I said earlier, the first few times I tried to WILD I would wake up and then once I actually tried it, I gt confused because all the induction methods seamed to have melted togeather and I couldn't figure out what I was really supposed to be doing, and when. or even where to start. I went to be with a clear image of the steps of MILD and when I went to try it I just got confused from reading all of the different inductions and I couldn't distinguish a difference between all of them when I'm in that state of mind after waking up.

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Right, the only problem is that FILD isn't a technique in and of itself. It's a modification on existing and basic technique that lots of people think is its own technique. Having stuff like that out there just confuses people. I don't disagree that people should post "HEY- I do this during a DEILD!" or "It helps me when I do this when I WILD."

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I know FILD is not really a technique, but if rubbing fingers together helps some people get lucid then whats the problem?

Like supreme said, the more techniques the better!

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I know FILD is not really a technique, but if rubbing fingers together helps some people get lucid then whats the problem?

Like supreme said, the more techniques the better!

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Just that it's touted as an individual technique, and not something you can use to assist with a technique. That's like calling NOS a race car. It confuses people. Much better to keep things simple, make sure people understand the basic techniques, then when they want to try one they can make a list of all of the little tips and hints people have offered and they can pick what they think will work. Instead, everyone tries FILD straight up and doesn't even realize that it's just a DEILD, and that you could wiggle your toes, or your ears, or your nostrils, and have the same effect. I mean, just think if we had TILD, EILD, and NILD on top of FILD. Why not just have DEILD, and let people know they can do kegel exercises to help them accomplish a DEILD, if they so desire. There's no need for KILD. It's just something you can slap on to a regular, straight up DEILD.

We're open to new techniques. The new techniques just have to be proven to work through the Dreamviews Research Guidelines.

I don't think you can have too many techniques. More competition in general is a good thing.

Umm, question; Since when was this a competition? No one is trying to out-due the other. The goal of everyone here is the same: To Lucid Dream, if not more.

With that being said, there aren't too many techniques, just too many that aren't thought out all the way. You may think that your technique is great when you post it, but then you'll start getting questions, and members might even point out flaws. We want to reduce such a thing from happening, which is why the Research Guideline was put into action. I'm 90% tempted to find all the new ILDs I come across each day and ask, "How many days have you tested this?", "How many people have you tested this on, and how many reported LDs?", or "How many times has this worked for you?".

With THAT being said (since I'm pretty sure you have to PM a DG with your new technique idea so it can be approved), I have not seen ONE person's data being looked over by the staff to see if it's credible. And please don't say you can't find the Guidelines, because they're right there in the Tutorial section. It's really not that hard, people; Do the research, follow the guide, propose it, and see how far you get. Don't post new techniques spur of the moment.

Personally I think that there are just the right amount of techniques.

There are so many because everyone is unique in ways.

With so many different techniques you can find your perfect way to enter your dreams.

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I'm 90% tempted to find all the new ILDs I come across each day and ask, "How many days have you tested this?", "How many people have you tested this on, and how many reported LDs?", or "How many times has this worked for you?".

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See post in staff forum ;)

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With THAT being said (since I'm pretty sure to have to PM a DG with you new technique idea so it can be approved), I have not seen ONE person's data being looked over by the staff to see if it's credible. And please don't say you can't find the Guidelines, because they're right there in the Tutorial section. It's really not that hard, people; Do the research, follow the guide, propose it, and see how far you get. Don't post new techniques spur of the moment.

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I also posted the link two posts above this :P

Everybody is different. When I say competition, I mean that nobody's forced to use just one or two techniques that everone else has to use also. There can't be too many, as if there is ever a technique that you don't like, just ignore it, but it shouldn't restrict the freedom of having new, different, techniques waiting to be time-tested and proven.

Members DO ignore techniques they don't like. They post about it all the time.

I agree that there aren't too many, but it's preferred that they be well though out and tested if the poster REALLY wants it to be an official Tutorial. It would really help both the poster and the user in the long run, so I don't see how it restricts a member's freedom to create new techniques.

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I also posted the link two posts above this :P

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I know, I'm just restating the point.

Well yes, and no. I think that there are still only a few basic techniques, WILD, MILD, RC and a few others. These techniques are fine, tried and tested and true. The problem is that too many people take things which are not full techniques, only very slight variations on existing techniques or even mere suggestions. They take these little variations and then give them new names and append the ILD to make their idea sound like a true technique.

I think that people need to realize that while their suggestion may be very valuable, we do not need any more ILD techniques.

And techniques should be more thought out and tested before being posted. Just because something works for you does not mean it will work for everyone, and one should not post something and call it a working technique unless it is verified that it works.

Just my two cents.

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Well yes, and no. I think that there are still only a few basic techniques, WILD, MILD, RC and a few others. These techniques are fine, tried and tested and true. The problem is that too many people take things which are not full techniques, only very slight variations on existing techniques or even mere suggestions. They take these little variations and then give them new names and append the ILD to make their idea sound like a true technique.

I think that people need to realize that while their suggestion may be very valuable, we do not need any more ILD techniques.

And techniques should be more thought out and tested before being posted. Just because something works for you does not mean it will work for everyone, and one should not post something and call it a working technique unless it is verified that it works.

Just my two cents.

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Thank you. I've been trying to get that out, but I posted my other thoughts instead. :)

A suggestion for naming:

Earlier in this thread, Ninja posted the techniques that are officially recognized. I noticed that two techniques I am familiar with, namely VILD and HILD were absent from said list.

I have heard VILD sometimes referred to as a visual WILD, or V-WILD. If an existing variation deserves its own name, then why not give the umbrella technique a prefix?

VILD becomes V-WILD
HILD becomes H-MILD
FILD becomes F-DEILD

If you want, cut down the techniques even further:

DEILD becomes E-WILD
EILD becomes E-DILD
MILD becomes M-DILD


Also:
Is there an official dividing line between techniques and induction methods? DILD and WILD sound like induction methods, because they are direct ways to induce lucidity. WBTB sounds more like a technique, because it is an extra step that increases the likelihood of a successful DILD/WILD.

ZOMG i had lyk u kno, a Kit Kat before sleepin', and i had lucid! I call this technique the KKILD!:banana:

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ZOMG i had lyk u kno, a Kit Kat before sleepin', and i had lucid! I call this technique the KKILD!:banana:

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:banana: BILD!
:aphiusiscrazy: OILD!
:muffin: MFILD!
:dancingcow: CILD! (hamburgers and meatballs!)

hahahahaha

Ok if eating kitkats every night made you lucid, I'd totally use that an excuse to go all out. Kitkats are delicious.

And so are Reese's....

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And so are Reese's....

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YES! I remember the whole peanut butter + chocolate = lucid? Reeses!

Didn't you know, diabetes is the best induction technique there is?! hahahaha

Dang...now I want some candy....

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Dang...now I want some candy....

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*is locked away in the library with hordes of chocolate*
But hey, you aren't spending 14 hours studying in the library today! Lucky :(

*comes and joins you to keep you company*

:)

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I have heard VILD sometimes referred to as a visual WILD, or V-WILD. If an existing variation deserves its own name, then why not give the umbrella technique a prefix?

VILD becomes V-WILD
HILD becomes H-MILD
FILD becomes F-DEILD

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HILD is a type of MILD so it doesn't have it's own tutorial. V-WILD is a minor variation of WILD and is actually covered in the WILD tutorial. There is also a V-MILD covered in the MILD tutorial.

I don't think there are too many techniques. Different people need different ways of becoming lucid. However, if you're trying too many, then for you there could be too many techniques. It's best to stick to a few that work for you rather than to try all the different ones out there (unless you're beginning and trying to find what works best) because, like you mentioned, it would probably cause a bit of a mental block and make things too confusing.

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I don't think there are too many techniques. Different people need different ways of becoming lucid. However, if you're trying too many, then for you there could be too many techniques. It's best to stick to a few that work for you rather than to try all the different ones out there (unless you're beginning and trying to find what works best) because, like you mentioned, it would probably cause a bit of a mental block and make things too confusing.

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This is why I tell a lot of newbies that are starting out to keep trying a certain technique for a certain period of time. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "Well, I tried DILD 5 days ago, then WILD the day after that, then MILD, and now I'm on DEILD. But my problem is that none of them are working!! What should I do?"

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YES! I remember the whole peanut butter + chocolate = lucid? Reeses!

Didn't you know, diabetes is the best induction technique there is?! hahahaha

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Haha I thought the exact same thing when I heard that eating chocolate and peanut butter is great for LDs the first time.

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This is why I tell a lot of newbies that are starting out to keep trying a certain technique for a certain period of time. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "Well, I tried DILD 5 days ago, then WILD the day after that, then MILD, and now I'm on DEILD. But my problem is that none of them are working!! What should I do?"

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yeah, exactly. That's what I try to tell newbies too :)