Will Technology In The Future Allow Recordable Dreams?

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

There are a few problems I have with that way of looking at things.
(don't take this as a personal attack, it's just the reasons I find it hard to agree)

If we are a spiritual being, why have bodies at all?

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What body? You're thinking in terms of firm matter. There is none, it's an illusion.

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Also are humans the only animals with spirits/souls?

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I don't know, but I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

If not, at which point down the line does the soul spirit stop? the mouse? the snail? the ameoba?

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I don't know, but I guess it never stops. Is a quantum particle conscious?

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Did the sould evolve alongside the body?

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What body? Maybe the body is an expression of consciousness.

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Also if souls are independent of body/mind... then shouldnt it be possible for a human soul to enter an animals body and demonstrate its intelligence that way?

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Define better. Maybe it does. Maybe also in plants or any other matter/energy structure. I don't know.

You didn't expect me to have any objective answers, did you?

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I agree that what is "physical" is a very odd concept. I dont quite see how that lends itself to the idea that a soul/consciousness is a seperate entity though. Our material world isnt really an illusion, just the idea of it being solid is just our way of perciving it based on the scale that we are in relation to atoms. To say it is an illusion begs the question "In comparison to what?"

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In comparison to something that is as it seems. If that exists is negligible for comparison.

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I find myself more comfortable with the buddhist concept of self and soul... that being that there isn't one and it's just an illusion.

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I don't like the word "soul". It's been used and abused too much by christianity.

You're misunderstanding that aspect of buddhism though. It's the ego that is an illusion, not the one consciousness we are all part of - according to buddhism. It is the ego that separates you.

I think recording the audio from the dreams would be a first and easier step. Ignoring L/R audio, recording audio would be a linear line of data. Recording visual would be a 2D line of data, which is lot more memory.

spaceexplorer:

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There are a few problems I have with that way of looking at things.
(don't take this as a personal attack, it's just the reasons I find it hard to agree)

If we are a spiritual being, why have bodies at all?
Also are humans the only animals with spirits/souls?
If not, at which point down the line does the soul spirit stop? the mouse? the snail? the ameoba?
Did the sould evolve alongside the body?
Also if souls are independent of body/mind... then shouldnt it be possible for a human soul to enter an animals body and demonstrate its intelligence that way?

I agree that what is "physical" is a very odd concept. I dont quite see how that lends itself to the idea that a soul/consciousness is a seperate entity though. Our material world isnt really an illusion, just the idea of it being solid is just our way of perciving it based on the scale that we are in relation to atoms. To say it is an illusion begs the question "In comparison to what?"


I find myself more comfortable with the buddhist concept of self and soul... that being that there isn't one and it's just an illusion.

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Hi Spaceexplorer :)

Interesting post. What makes the most sense to me is this:

Think about why some people go camping... for the experience of "roughing it" - doing without modern conveniences. Imagine the Ultimate Virtual Reality Game - where, not only do you get to go camping and experience what it's like to have the challenge of having to hunt and fish for food, make a fire from scratch etc.... but imagine that there is an option to take some sort of medication that temporarily erases your memory of who you really are, and where you really come from - so that, while you're in that game, you believe that's all there is. You really believe that you are living that reality - you can't even remember that modern conveniences exist, never mind that you usually have access to them.

So, you play the game for real - because it feels real, and you've forgotten that it's not. And so you get the full, authentic experience, until you log out. ;)

The Ultimate Virtual Reality Game. :)

xxx

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Originally Posted by gigaschatten

You're misunderstanding that aspect of buddhism though. It's the ego that is an illusion, not the one consciousness we are all part of - according to buddhism. It is the ego that separates you.

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Depends on the school of buddhism, im more with the original Theravadin way of looking at things. I think many of the other schools have taken on a good deal of Hinduism which has the concept of brahman and atman,which sounds more like what you are refering to.

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Originally Posted by illusions

spaceexplorer:

Hi Spaceexplorer :)

Interesting post. What makes the most sense to me is this:

Think about why some people go camping... for the experience of "roughing it" - doing without modern conveniences. Imagine the Ultimate Virtual Reality Game - where, not only do you get to go camping and experience what it's like to have the challenge of having to hunt and fish for food, make a fire from scratch etc.... but imagine that there is an option to take some sort of medication that temporarily erases your memory of who you really are, and where you really come from - so that, while you're in that game, you believe that's all there is. You really believe that you are living that reality - you can't even remember that modern conveniences exist, never mind that you usually have access to them.

So, you play the game for real - because it feels real, and you've forgotten that it's not. And so you get the full, authentic experience, until you log out. ;)

The Ultimate Virtual Reality Game. :)

xxx

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Yes I believe something similar. It's not really provable or not, so it just remains a nice thought to play with in those moments when you can think about these things.
God being bored with being god and all powerful, so creates a labyrinth of illusion out of himself, splintering himself into infitinte variations. All of which believe themselves to be seperate and mortal. All slowly moving to discovering the truth of what they truely are... so that one day, they will appreciate the joy of the truth.
In fact i've always thought that dreams are a microcosm of this whole principle.


I dont really like to hold any set belief though. I really rather just observe the universe around me and update my views as i grow. One of the reasons I play devils advocate alot, making someone prove thier belief, shows the flaws in it, and gives me more information to either reject or accept it as part of my world view

by the way, wherein the UK are you based? im down in the southwest.

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God being bored with being god and all powerful, so creates a labyrinth of illusion out of himself, splintering himself into infitinte variations. All of which believe themselves to be seperate and mortal.

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YES! Really well put! That's what I was thinking, but couldn't put it into words, and you've explained it exactly! The only difference is I don't think of God as a "him" but more of an "it" ;)

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by the way, wherein the UK are you based? im down in the southwest.

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Me too! I'm in Gloucester. :)

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It's not really provable or not

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Yes, I also don't claim to know the truth for sure - and I don't believe we really can know the truth about the "reality" we're in, until we get out of it and get to see it from the outside ;) In the meantime, I believe that whatever a person believes is true - for them. So I like to choose beliefs that make sense to me and that I find work for me. :boogie:

xxx

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Originally Posted by Venomblood

Recording visual would be a 2D line of data, which is lot more memory.

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You dream in 2D?

2D or not 2D? That is the question! Sorry, couldn't resist :cheeky:

Who knows, some people are said to dream in luminance (black and white) only.