Lucidity Levels

Im curios to know what levels of lucidity you guys are achieving for those who are able to tap into this ability, would you consider your level High, Moderate, or Low? And also how many of you has pushed the envelope of your capabilities? Willing objects to move...etc. Zanzoken abilities and altering nature in your dreams. So lets discuss our levels and our greatest achievements within our own creations. How creative are you. Sometimes its not as difficult as you think. Our Lucid dreams gives us direct insight of being a perfect being. Manipulating entire enviorments and oneself is just the tip of the Ice Berg.

First of all.. I do not believe in *our creations*(I believe in the two actual realities)
Second, control means nothing, its all about how deep you go.
Third, the perfect being does not exist, you cannot be God.

I really have not much comment on this..but the above then. I suppose my achievements are *diffirent* then the usual control

Very Interesting response. Considering your response I guess you should'nt have much comment on this subject. I don't recall saying anyone human being is perfect. That statement gives reference toward what could be considered perfect within our abilities before that gift of perfection was taken away from us because now we are born into this world as imperfect beings. Secondly control is whats most important in a Lucid Dream without it What sense does it make to even acknowledge the fact that you are dreaming. Just go with the flow then.. And how deep you go doesn't make sense to me.. How deep you go where? And as far as creation I guess you never created anything within your dreams. Unless Im confused on the subject of Creation. If you're talking about our Creator the Father in the Heavens doesn't exsist then thats an entirely different subject.

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I would classify myself as Moderate. I cannot use WILD to induce as many here can *envious glance at Lucius*
But once lucid, I can pretty much do what I want, that is, create things, modify the dream content and setting.

But hey, I figure if I have another 40 years to live, there will be plenty of time to grow and expand.

I dont feel like explaining everything..i recommend reading some posts made by Serinanth and he is somebody you could learn alot from.
As you will realise control is not the most important(and impossible) where a dream is not a dream, but another reality

You consider yourself powerfull, because you create things in your dreams to your desire. But having everything you desire is not good, and its not good either to be able to have it. Things you need will come to you when you are in need of them. I could have LD and practise ultimate control, but I dont even want ultimate control. I think if you would fall/go as deep..as to the point you open yourself to the other reality and even begin to understand that other world you will not have control anymore, or have need for it.

But of course, not everybody believes in the theory of the two realities. Not everybody respects completely what is out there. Some believe in dream characters and ultimate control of that what is up your head, some do not. I do not blaim anybody, hate anybody, each its own way.

The theory btw is based on nothing but personal experiences. I care not if you dont believe me or tell me im either insane,not tell the truth or whatever. I know what is true and care noth for what others think..

The rabbit hole is very deep indeed, and if your not in very deep, then yes control is a breeze

ShadowNightWing, look for me in your dreams tonight, i will look like Bill Clinton, naked and holding a Hanukah candle stick

and profess that i am jesus christ.

see ya later buddy.

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ShadowNightWing,

How about sharing some of your experience with us? I would like to hear about your adventures and what you are able to do.

usually i have non lucid dreams, but about once a week i have lucid dreams where i know i am dreaming, and can do whatever i want, but about one out of five of these lucid dreams are really vivid and good. so far, the best one, i was able to use my powers to make cars that were driving on the street fly away. (it was just like using the force) and also i usually fly and jump around and stuff.

Just in general the subject was in reference to what Levels of Lucidity people are experiencing. As far as your Theories and beliefs Lucius I have respect for what you believe in, this is your lifes motivation and it belongs to you. Im not at impressed by people who desires are to cause confliction within any ordeal on any matter, subjcet or level. But I do understand and lable people as they are your character is by no way unique (if you ever thought it was) I always say there's always one in every group, however I do agree with with the control part because for all of us it comes way too easy. Which gives an indication that this is as normal as walking so Control doesn't impress me either. What does impress me is INFINITY. becuase it umcomprehensiable to You, I or anyone else of that matter. I don't believe in that Dual Reality Nonesense. But this is my own belief that im entitled to. Lucid Dreaming is exciting to me inducing from Wake Initiation (WILD'S) Thats Childs Play to me, because thats nothing but another form of experiencing an OBE. Which I find extremely Exciting. I respect your beliefs and whatever you feel is Right Lucius but I really don't care, I only care about the question I asked and if you don't want to comment against anything I put in the forum then no hard feelings because in the end you are still you and I am I.... (all put in the nicest way) thanks

Oh yeah and if you see anything in regards to me saying anything about me being powerful or cosidering myself powerful then please copy it and show me. Because I don't remember that being a part of my subject. Its cool to respond without twisting the subject or adding fabricated information, just to prove your point. But I understand some people has those issues. It may be wise to talk to your buddy Serinanth to help you release some of that Animosity..lol

I suppose its best if I dont say anything anymore..it would just get me annoyed I suppose. Yes fine, believe whatever you wish I dont care. I speak nonsense, fine with me. Be arrogant like hell, fine with me.(sorry I just had to say that people..)

I retreat from this topic then..

Man Lucius What is your Deal????.....

Oh and normally I dont care about it if somebody doesnt agree, like some disagreements I had before with evangel on religous things,but at least hes cool. But your attitude needs to change man,seriously.
And dont mess with seri, and me for the matter, like I said i retreat from the damn topic

anyone want a beer? :cheers:

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feel better if you vent, put your frustrations into four letter words and let them out on mine, the most weathered ears in town.[/b]

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And, there is nothing wrong at all. I didnt got pissed, I didnt swear nor did I bash. I just said its fine that you think that, thats all..no lets all go along like nothing happend..

What do you mean My attitude needs to change? Scroll up and look at your first response. I didn't do anything but respond back to you in the same fashion you did to me, and you say nothings wrong, Whatever man. But you better convince yourself of it first..

Alright, lets say it like this. You dont agree with me, I dont agree with you.
I dont know normally I dont care but there was something about you that just annoyed me in a way. If i to annoyed you, Im sorry. Lets get over it, I have no need to have arguments with a forum member all the time..
Peace ok..(really this is not fake..i hate arguments)

Ok, it apears I wasnt being very nice but that wasnt the intention. I didnt feel like making something long so I was being rather short. I just wanted to state my opinion, but didnt have time to make it look nice , so I did it short and apears kinda rude, i am sorry then

Arguements with forum members all the time huh? You put that out there just remember that. I'll be cool with anyone who deserves it You read simple paragragh from me and decided that you were annoyed by me. For no reason. But like I said previously issues...[/quote]

I accept your apology BUT DON'T EVER LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!! To anyone else.. Or else its gonna be me and you.

I dont have arguments with forum members all the time, you are the only one. And, I just said sorry for being rude . And im saying it again, do you have to continue this argument. Sorry ok??? I want no problem..

I wish to quit this argument and say sorry for being rude, what about you??

I understand where you're coming from but this is where Im coming from When I registered here the only reason why I did it was because of you and Marinanth. Yes I read thoroughly most of the subjects you guys has posted. And what pissed me off was that I feel like you two guys have a great deal of wisdom that I would Love to Obtain and I didn't expect to have it out with you, like this. So if it means anything to you Im sorry also if I came off rude. Maybe we can start back from Square one and try this thing again. Hi Lucius Im Shadow nice to meet you.

Alright then, I dont know what got into me. I gues I was just having a pain in the ass or something :

Even though we dont agree I suppose we should be able to get along, disagreements must be there, aye I also accept your apology..

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Hey, shadow, welome! Have a muffin http://www.myopinion.it/images/smilies/muffin.gif

Thanks Lucius. See ya around okay!

Actually I agree with Lucius. Its weird when in a LD dream I cannot control the environment.

Glad you two have got that sorted out. I respect ability and knowledge.
I know the views and abilities of most of the regulars around here.

So come on ShadowNightWing, or Shadow, if it's OK to call you that.

Share a little... OK?

Sure Seeker I'll be more than happy to share my experiences. And I really appreciate you welcoming me sorry I didn't reply before but things were kinda crazy between Lucius and I as you already know. Well I guess I would consider myself High Level because most of my years I've been Lucid since I can remember I was a little boy. So mostly my experiences are dedicated to perfecting this gift and thats what I see it as a Gift. Everytime I achieve Lucidity in my dreams I dedicate it to perfecting something new in my lucid state. Creating Whole Enviorments changing Objects, people and willing things to either move or lurch or dissappear are no longer fun to me. Even perfecting Flight now. when I was a kid I used to have to build up momentum just to leap off the ground and soar. But Now I can just take off from a stationary position and provide my own momentum in my thoughts in speeds that would break records in the real world. Even switching views is something I like alot now. I don't always have to be in the first persons view. I can look at myself from the 3rd persons. Which allows me to take notice of the effects of things that are surronding me. This is what I've been trying to perfect mostly now. I keep running into the same problem. Once I switch up views The Me that Im watching at that time seems to become its own entity with its own motives and its hard to keep control. I also find it extrememly hard to keep up with him in flight. Things are moving so fast that everything looks like straight lines whenever he takes flight hes so much faster than I. Even though I can't seem to control him from 3rd persons I still can see through his eyes as first persons view and at the same time still look at him from an observation level from 3rd. I know it sounds crazy but this is just a fraction of what im dealing with seeker. Oh and yes Nikfz its possible to control entire enviorments even Nature. I do it all the time.

Ok shadow,

This time im going to state my opinion and do it the nice way.
It seems that you have quite the amount of control, as I read your stuff
Now I to have been able to have LDs when I was a kid but mine are so much diffirent from yours..

I never gave my self true control mabey a minor things but I someway always knew that control in the end would prove to be useless.
You on the other hand seem to take full control of the environment, shape the environment, create new environements, will everything you want and take control of people,or create people. But if you do all that you are once going to hit a wall my friend, control goes to a certain point and there it is, like I said you cannot be God.

If you let things come naturaly and try and discover your true self, your inner self and open yourself up completely to the other reality you can to a much deeper level. Yes control might be fun in your eyes but i could never live with facts such as:
- Everything here is my creation, it didnt come to stand on its own
- Everything here is going to fade away soon
- Nobody here has a free will of its own
- My powers are awesome but nobody is here to witness them

Then there is also the fact that simply having everything you want is not good for a soul, it stops your development as somebody has to go trough certain things before one can be enlighted, you cannot learn from ultimate control. One must learn to accept that nothing will ever go how one wants it to go, i said it before and I say it again..

"You never get what you want in the end, you get what you deserve"

I know you do not believe in 2 actual realities but im stating my opinion anyway. As long as you remain ultimate control you will be always stuck in your little part of that reality, while if you would give it up and open yourself you would be able to find out so much more knowledge nad experience. Spirits so exist, they come naturally, one does not will them to come or even expect them.. they come, when you are ready for them and open for them. Finding a new world that is not the near to perfect world you imagined, yes you open yourself to shit, but every world is full of shit, no world is perfect, perfect is non existant. We are not meaned to be perfect, we cannot develope in perfectance, only if we where enlighted we would be perfect, and even then im not sure.

I know you are not going to stray from the path you are walking in achieving ultimate control, aye, then I wish you luck my friend. Find your luck in that world then, I suppose it can be sastisfactory. But not in my eyes, and someday you will hit a wall, inevitably.
But really, its nice you have so much control, I gues 95% of this forum would have nothing rather then have it aswell. ;)

Lucius this is very interesting I've read everything you put in here and I found it all very interesting I decided to make a response to let you know that I did acknowledge what you put here, but I have so much more to say and so little time to put it all down so Im leaving work and when i get home I will continue.

Shadow,

I envy you in your ability to control and LD. I am not a natural LDer and didn't have my first one until I was almost 30 years old.
I have a fair amount of control in my dreams and use it for entertainment and experimentation.

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I envy you in your ability to control and LD. *I am not a natural LDer and didn't have my first one until I was almost 30 years old.
I have a fair amount of control in my dreams and use it for entertainment and experimentation.

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Well that suks, think of all those years you just slept, wasting you life away. And its all to late, Almost feel sorry 4 u.


J/k

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Shadow, *

I envy you in your ability to control and LD. *I am not a natural LDer and didn't have my first one until I was almost 30 years old.
I have a fair amount of control in my dreams and use it for entertainment and experimentation.

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Well that suks, think of all those years you just slept, wasting you life away. And its all to late, Almost feel sorry 4 u.


J/k[/b]

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Hey, I figure I have 40 good years left, and maybe an additional 10 sucky years after that!

Unless... i dont get those muffins, beging a part of you is hard. :teeth:

Thanks Seeker,

I really take alot of pride into LD it means a great deal to me. Im just happy I finally found a place where people have the same experiences as I. There's a great group of people here.

Lucius,

Im very interested in the reason why you don't want to use the control you have and experience your world on all the levels that you are capable of? Why have this power and not use it?( Just curious). Because I don't think it stops here at High lucidity. I know there is a Level beyond High Lucid I can just feel it. But I need to figure out how I can get there. I've been wondering about this for the past 5 yrs and I know that its possible like Ascending to the Next Level. I know with you being able to LD since a child you have the same feelings. How can this New plato be reached? Somewhere somehow the answer lies there. Lucius can you tell me your theories of these dual realities what are the two realities? I would like to know about this. Another thing, would my dreams be consider another form of reality but just on a different plane of exsistance? I look forward to your response. Thanks!

isn't that like...New Age? or something...um..not meaning to offend anyone... :shock:

oh yeah...welcome..Shadow..

Not sure if thats New Age? Hell Im not too sure of anything right now at 4:52A.M. (haha)

Thanks for Welcoming Me Paperdoll. See ya around!

Paper,
It is somewhat of a new age idea indeed, but new agers still see it diffirent and I always had the shit on them because it is sect like, i hate sects. Im a buddhist when it comes to religon and ancient tibetian monks worked alot trough this other reality aswell.

Shadow,

Its alot to just explain, and I dont just tell everything to just anybody, Im currently teaching somebody already and the point is im not even sure if this can be teached. If it has be something natural, its the same with seri, he never had ultimate control either, we jsut find ourselves in this matter of world we never "leveled up" or anything (sure we got wiser and stronger but the other reality has always been there)
If you really know badly pm me ill try and explain it basicly..when i have the time

were all just one big happy family!!! yay. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

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Thats cool I appreaciate that alot. I don't wanna intrude by anyway so I will just leave it be. But thanks for your time its been extremely interesting. Oh and see if you can convince Paperdoll to change her Avatar back to the old one I like those big Green Eyes..haha

i agree, shadow...i liked that avatar.

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