Hey, what I wanted to know is, if you have a dream guide... Is it always the same person, or do you have a different one each time? Thanks
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Hey, what I wanted to know is, if you have a dream guide... Is it always the same person, or do you have a different one each time? Thanks
Dream guides are dream characters that are special to you, you can have more than one, they don't have to be human, you don't have to have any at all. There are no rules for dream guides, they are a personal experience and nothing anyone can describe for you.
They do not have to be the same person, but they often are. :)
Many people do not believe in Dream Guides because they ask "How do they know more about yourself, than you do?" because Dream Guides know more about you than yourself, or are supposed to.
Some say they're manifestations of your Sub Conscious.
But yes, as no-name said, they are special dream characters, and they can be anything you want.
I'm sort of a non-believer when it comes to dream guides...but I have tried summoning them. Every time they show up, they're either my dad....or a wolf/coyote hybrid....once, it show up as a pack of wolves.
But, on the other end of the spectrum, I don't own any pets, and one of my dream signs are dogs...so maybe, I'm trying to tell myself something...
You should get a dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psylis
Yeah thanks for that. I call out to my "dream guide" lately when I've been lucid, and have gotten three different people, people I don't know and haven't seen before. I asked because those last couple of "lucids" I wasn't totally sure I was lucid, or if I was dreaming I was lucid. Haha, just trying to figure it out.
I make EVERY dream character my dream guide, so it always 'changes' because when I interact with them, I ask them to help me out and they do so since I want them to. It doesn't ACTUALLY change though, because they are ALL my dream guides.
What are dream guides supposed to do?
What do they help you, Shift, with?
I'd like winning lottery numbers that are really going to win and that I'll remember when I wake up so I can write them down :-)
Seriously though, this is getting close to 'spirituality' and 'ghost', 'Astral' stuff and I'd like to know if people consider DG's as such or just a deeper connection with themselves and no spiritual 'hoo hoo' at all, or what.
:-)
A dream guide as I've heard it described is recurring DC that helps you become lucid. If so, can a DG help you indirectly by letting you know you're dreaming just because you see them even if there's no interaction, kind of like a walking, talking dream sign?
GOD no, not in the slightest. They're just dream characters. Just like the other random dream people who show up in your dreams. I just think that if you interact with them with the expectation that they will be friendly and help you, they will. Just like if you interact with a dream character expecting it to be aggressive and scary, it will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Grimbones
I've had them do all sorts of stuff. Usually when I'm having trouble with dream control, I can ask a DC to help me out. In one lucid I was with a group of people, and I wanted to fly into the sky and look around me because we had just walked out the gate to this huge city. I kept trying to fly but I couldn't, and then she got my attention and flew into the air by wiggling like a dolphin. So I gave that a try, and I flew right up to where I wanted to be. Things like that. I don't think they're anything more that just little dream personalities who you can manipulate into helping you.
That's why I was trying to stress that to me, the dream 'guides' aren't anything but dream characters who you expect to be helpful, which is why I make EVERY dream character a helpful one. Don't limit yourself ;)
Oh, good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I've noticed sometimes, and this has been going on for years, a white guy with wild black hair that seems to stare at me and some person that seems to hover near me when I am more aware, yet not lucid, in my dreams.
It is weird, it is like there are people in there :shock:
Seriously though, I really don't like those DC's and I wonder why they specificly are there. I have learned really recently after reading some stuff here and thinking, or trying to think, clear-headedly about it all that the 'threatening' DC's I've encountered like Snape from the Harry Potter films are only threatening because I was scared of them and feel threatened by everyone even in real life. But, that still doesn't explain these two types of DC's, meaning the staring dark haired guy who now reminds me of pictures I've viewed of Neil Gaiman's Sandman :-) or a young Snape, and the one that seems to be following me around.
That one who follows me around gets rather annoying as if at any minute I'll get repremanded for trying to have dream sex with one of the other DC's. I even had gotten the idea in my head that this person was a real person who had entered my dream or was a real living guide of some sort that wasn't JUST a creation of mine. I even had some strange thought to explain this guy that when we sleep we actually are in the real world like a Matrix type of thing only I'm still asleep trying to create my own dream world senarios and this guy is following me around and people are looking at me like I am a weirdo or something :lol::oops::roll::shock::banana:
But then, I am an artist, I am supposed to be a weirdo :banana:
We should have more dancing fruit icons.
:-)
Yea, creepy DCs are creepy. The more you harp on them, worry about them, and think that they might be in your dreams, the more you might end up just summoning them, and the worse expectations you have the worse the feelings you elicit from yourself and the behavior that they engage in will be. Try to spend some time really really thinking about them as dream characters, what this means (they are not real, cannot hurt you, are figments of your imagination, are not other people but hallucinations created by your dreaming mind, etc), how to view them in a positive light (for example, turn them into dreamsigns... Especially Dream, as you'll be seeing my avatar all over DV ;))
If you WANT, since I'm a dreamguide and Dream is my avatar, associate his image and reality check every time you see him, equating the picture of Dream with 'Helpful Friendly Dreamguide' :tongue:
Its YOUUUUUUUUUU, get out of my minnnnnnnnnd :boggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
I remember the first time i read about dream guides on this forum, i LD'ed that night, and i found a man who was wearing a shirt that said "Dream Guide" on it, like an emblem.. He didnt lead me anywhere, to tell me anything, and i have only seen him one time.. mysterious.. in fact, im sure the only reason i saw him, was because i read about him in the forums..
Ive decided maybe a dream guides purpose is to help you focus on your dream.so you can stay lucid longer. i found in my last lucid. probably one of the longest i had.felt like ages. that wen i was tlkin to him. i was very focused and my dream was very stable.but wen i looked around at other things. things became quite blurry...i dunno just a theory i guess
I don't really think that ghosts and astral projection are spiritual, though I know thats how some people use them. I think they're probably something natural that science just hasn't explored yet. After all, there are people out there who think looking for meaning or significance in your dreams is "weird' and "hoo hoo." Or that lucid dreaming is unnatural. I guess I kind see both as similar to pondering the farther reaches of outer space - it seems weird sometimes because its not the normal of our earth stuff, and people can look at the spiritual aspect of it, or as crazy sci-fi, or they could look at it as something just as of yet unexplored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Grimbones
Back on topic, though, I've also found that almost all of the characters I meet in my dreams are guides. And it was especially fun for me when I first started lucid dreaming, because I've had a lot of the same dream characters for as long as I can remember, and they aren't people that I've ever known in real life. In fact, I rarely dream of the people or places I actually know. So it was really amazing, when I was lucid, to meet those characters. Because they show up so often and all throughout my life, I think its possible that they're symbols from my subconscious. A bit like archetypes, I suppose. They each represent different things to me, and because of that, they're some of the most useful guides I have.
I once read an article on the psychology of nightmares. or that person's opinion, anyway. Pretty sure it was psychoanalysis. anyway, it was about how people naturally project themselves onto their environment. Kind of like, if you think that everyone is out to get you, you're going to start to see things that way. Dreams are supposedly the same way, because they're created by you subconsciously (and at least partially consciously if you're lucid ;)). So in nightmares, this theory says that the monster or whatever it is you're afraid of often represents something else, possibly something inside of you, which is why when you decide to face them, you often realize its not nearly as big as you formerly thought it was. If those dream characters are often there and you don't like them (so you're obviously not consciously calling them) then maybe they represent something on a subconscious level. :-?
This was a comment to me specificly right? I think I remember mentioning two very 'uncomfortable' DC's up a few posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackirises
And yes, I agree with you there. Expectation is a big thing in dreams. I am scared of everything from years of childhood 'abuse' and my dreams reflect that. Everything is a threat.
I'll have to deal with it I guess.
:-)
yes, that was to you.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Grimbones
I used to have a reccuring nightmare, with the same dream characters chasing me. In my mind in those dreams, I thought that they were trying to completely destroy me, and that they had the power to do a lot of harm, so I was constantly evading them. It was horrible in those dreams; fear, horror, anxiety, paranoia, and complete exhaustion from always running and never being able to rest, all combined. I would escape, only to have them find me again. Any protection I found was only ever temporary.
When I started lucid dreaming, at first I just tried to control the situation. By closing my eyes and telling myself again and again that I would open them and they would be gone, I could make it happen.
but then, when I wasn't lucid dreaming, they'd be back again.
It was at that point that I started looking at the situation really closely. I believe that dreams are often a sort of message in code from the subconscious. They are, after all, created by a part of me, even if I don't consciously understand it. So I thought that everything must represent something to me, that a part of my mind was trying to express.
I wish I could say that I figured out what those stalkers in my dreams represented, and that it was a profound moment where I learned a lot about myself. I actually still don't have any clue what exactly they were. The closest I could get was the phrase "inner demons."
What was an interesting experience was when I had a lucid dream and instead of running away or making them go away, I just turned around and faced them. I told myself that I wasn't going to be afraid because this was MY dream. They couldn't possibly hurt me and they were a product of my own mind. So I just looked at them like a curiousity. I knew that they were a symbol, so instead of looking at them as threats, I looked at them as keys to unraveling some part of my psyche. When I wasn't running, they couldn't chase me. The illusion had been broken and I was no longer afraid. I haven't dreamed of them since.
Your dream guide is your subconscious...
It is a manifestation of yourself.