Do you ever think you'll have LD's at will?

Just wondering if any of you out there after a period of time being involved in the whole LD business actually think they will be able to have LD's virtually at will. I'm kind of basing this idea on DILDs rather than other forms though,as I know some members here are good at WILDs or DEILDs.

After reading some Book Authors who claim to have as many as 30 LD's a month I find it amazing that most happen to be DILDs rather than the other kinds. And is MILD the only technique they achive this with? I still think they're not giving us the full info and how they do this, other than, perhaps time!

I know we're all looking for the Holy Grail of techniques in a way and that perhaps one doesn't truly exist after all, but a combination of everything.

For the moment though I'm going to start from scratch again albeit that I've had 3 LD's of course, but I'm going straight for the Dream Journal and learning everything about my own dreams in great detail so that I can perhaps become less clouded by my waking thoughts and worries about am I RC'ing to much,too little, looking for dreamsigns etc.

I've even got my own idea for a possible technique using nothing but the DJ to get lucid, but this will have to wait until I've sorted out the finer points.

good applying of dream yoga will bring you lds at....will? lucids forever!

I haven't been in the LD business for long, but, I believe that if you constantly do RCs during the day and do some WILDing or MILDing, you can probably have an LD every other day for sure unless you're too tired to WILD or stressed, etc.... So, yes, I think I'll be able to have LDs at will, just gotta get some more first, since, the first couple of LDs are the harder ones :P

definitely my goal. I used to have LD's every second day or so, sometimes 2-3 days in a row, now I get em every 3rd day or so for whatever reason but working to improve that. an LD per day does not seem far fetched at all to me

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Originally Posted by Mariano

good applying of dream yoga will bring you lds at....will? lucids forever!

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It´s also my goal. we all know it takes some effort to learn it, but it´s not impossible. So if its possible, I´m gonna give my best and so far I still hope/think that someday I´m gonna have LDs at will and a good control about my dreams in general.

I´m still not frustrated ;)

Keeping a dream journal and finding your dream signs, working on increasing your overall awareness during the day (what I believe is referred to as 'dream yoga'), and working on your prospective memory help immensely. I think if one were to do these, coupled with maybe a device for EILD like the Nova Dreamer, you could easily get lucid every night. Even without the device, when I did this I was getting lucid at least twice a week, all DILDs. If you work on learning to chain your lucid dreams, too, you can DILD and then follow it up with WILDs. To me, this practice was my holy grail technique ;) RCing to dreamsigns, RCing to increase daily awareness, practicing MILD exercises, and then using DEILD to keep them going over and over again :) Hard work, but well worth it!

It is achievable with dedication and patience! After all I did it, and only took 8 years of frustration work <.<

After six months of concentrated effort I can pretty much have them at will now. Unfortunately I can't do it every night due to work constraints but if i really want a LD on a particular night I can have one. It takes a bit of effort but is worth it.

I'm going to be writing a book on how I do this. But the bottom line is that i get lucid by DILD.

:)

I am fully confident that at some point in the future I will have lucids as much as I want.

Will I have them at will? Probably not........I would probably abuse that skill like a drug or something, hahaha.

you can do everything you want with willpower

persistence and patience is the key.

it took me a long time to achieve luciditiy - the stronger my will became the more i got lucid.

and dont make stress at all - just keep playing the ball

Like Baph said, I doubt anyone will ever have them at will, but in a consistent way? Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by no-name

Like Baph said, I doubt anyone will ever have them at will, but in a consistent way? Absolutely.

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Well I can have them at will and so can walms! Just woke up ten minutes ago having got lucid three times during the night. Yes seriously!

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When I set my mind to it I can get myself to the point where I can be about 90&#37; sure I'll be getting Lucid. It just takes a while of intense concentration to get a momentum built up. But it's hard to continuously keep the kind of motivation that it takes to keep them going that frequently. Especially when life distractions come up.

As far as how it's done. The concept is pretty simple. The more you have the idea on your mind. The more you will have it on your mind in your dreams. That's really all there is to it. It helps a lot if you get really excited about getting your next Lucid too. That will increase the chance you will think about it in your dreams. Plus, once you start getting a good streak going you start to get used to the way your dreams feel. That's when spontaneous Lucidity starts coming more frequently. It's such a cool feeling when Lucidity washes over you for no particular reason at all.

^ I couldn't agree more!

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Originally Posted by DreamQueen

^ I couldn't agree more!

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:) It's good to hear you have been having such great success!

Thanks very much for the replies guys, most helpful and informative :)

I had a look at the dream yoga type of lifestyle a few weeks ago, but at the moment it's a little out of my current mindset to be that useful to me at this time. It might be something I'll look into at a later date though.

Shift, I beleive you're an obviously accomplished LD'er due to your deligent work on your DJ content and your RC's throughout the day and your high hit-rate on LD's in general, but I have a slightly opposing view to awareness during the day than you for example. I'm not saying awareness throughout the day doesn't work for people, but in my case, I work in a closed environment at work where I'm on my own for much of the day and so I don't really see that many different people or locations during the day.This causes obvious problems, such as me doing RC's out of habit, on the hour, every hour, due to my digital watch beeping at me to remind me.This is not to say that I cannot truly believe that the RC I perform at any given time in waking life I don't take seriously, because I truly do imagine myself as if I was in a dreamscene doing it and watching it fail, but this has so far never transfered over into my dreams ( yet).

So this is my take on how you may become lucid more often. Pretty much ignore waking life stuff, apart from the location you're in or people you meet throughout the day, these are still good for performing an RC, but everything else is a bit pointless if it doesn't appear in your dreams.Take for example, Doors, Elevators, Lightswitches etc, these don't appear in my dreams, so I don't do an RC in waking life even if I see or use one.

Refer back to your DJ every night and re-live those dreams in your mind whilst reading them. What you're looking for is not necessarily a specific dreamsign such as a person or place but what objects manifest themselves there, are they something you've been using recently or something you used to own 10 years ago? why is it here etc? does it work correctly? is it the right shape?

In virtually all my vivid dreams I've had in recent weeks I've had things or objects out of place that shouldn't be there, call them anomalies or things out of context, but put bluntly, they are errors which don't appear in waking life.So whilst you're reading your DJ and come across one, picture yourself there saying to yourself "Hey! this aint' right", "That can't happen!" "Time for an RC!" or any other sort of phrase or mantra that might jog your mind next time you're in a similar dream. Think of it almost like another version of MILD or an autosuggestion to your subconscious, but in this case, you're doing it way earlier before you go to bed.

Why do I think this might work you're asking? Well, I've just come to the conclusion that I'm barking up the wrong tree with too much emphasis on the waking world and less on the dream world. If you're in the waking world and do say 10 to 15 RC's throughout the day, pat yourself on the back for remembering to do them, but you may not get lucid even after that.
Far better I think, to do 10 RC's or error spotting within one dream rather than the whole day in waking life! And this of course will grow after you enter more and more details into your DJ, not only that, but you can go back weeks or months within the DJ doing the same error spotting.

If anything comes of this I'll of course post any results I have, but feel free to comment on this way of LD training if you like :)

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

Thanks very much for the replies guys, most helpful and informative :)
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This causes obvious problems, such as me doing RC's out of habit, on the hour, every hour, due to my digital watch beeping at me to remind me.This is not to say that I cannot truly believe that the RC I perform at any given time in waking life I don't take seriously, because I truly do imagine myself as if I was in a dreamscene doing it and watching it fail, but this has so far never transfered over into my dreams ( yet).

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While I think your method is fine and a good idea, I think you should do RCs independently of your watch. What I mean is that you become reliant on hearing the beep from your watch to do an RC instead of just doing it because you wanted to. If you have no beeping in your dream, then you aren't likely to do an RCs in your dreams since you are conditioning yourself to do an RC whenever you hear beep, but, there is no beeping. The other problem is during your daily life, if you hear an alarm similar to your watch but it isn't the watch, are you gonna RC then? If not, then I am not sure if it's a good idea to link the beeping to RCs unless you do an RC everytime you hear a beep similar to your watch or if it's your watch that beeped :)

I like your idea of reading through your dreamjournal. But to make it subconcious, you need to be very disciplined. The method reminds abit of being aware throughout the day and asking yourself if you are dreaming whenever you see something out of the ordinary. By that I don't mean waiting for Godzilla to look into your office-window to do a reality-check, but instead do a reality-check if you suddenly notice a pencil on the floor - that you don't remember how got there, a strange looking man on the way home from work, a beautiful woman, or other "little" things that could be out of the normal.
This way you should be able to condition yourself to be aware both in dreams AND in real life, this is what some people call Dream Yoga I believe.

I know you said that dream yoga isn't for you, but hey you do want lucid dreams on a regular basis don't you?;) There is more to dream yoga than this I know, but this could be a start.

What I'm trying to tell you is that you don't have to have an über-exciting life to do reality-checks, just be critical of your surroundings and notice the little strange things that happens throughout the day. According to experienced Dream Yoga-practicioners this way you can have lucid dreams on a "nightly" basis.

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Originally Posted by BigFan

While I think your method is fine and a good idea, I think you should do RCs independently of your watch. What I mean is that you become reliant on hearing the beep from your watch to do an RC instead of just doing it because you wanted to. If you have no beeping in your dream, then you aren't likely to do an RCs in your dreams since you are conditioning yourself to do an RC whenever you hear beep, but, there is no beeping. The other problem is during your daily life, if you hear an alarm similar to your watch but it isn't the watch, are you gonna RC then? If not, then I am not sure if it's a good idea to link the beeping to RCs unless you do an RC everytime you hear a beep similar to your watch or if it's your watch that beeped :)

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Actually I should have said that I do perform other checks at random throughout the day and not just the watch RC when it beeps at me.
But the main thing is finding a good balance on when to do one, I mean, recently, I've been really quiet work-wise and so have a lot of time on my hands and I have been focusing on my environment a lot in those cases, but again it's a very static environment and the RC's are hard to perform when not much changes around me.

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Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I like your idea of reading through your dreamjournal. But to make it subconcious, you need to be very disciplined. The method reminds abit of being aware throughout the day and asking yourself if you are dreaming whenever you see something out of the ordinary.
I know you said that dream yoga isn't for you, but hey you do want lucid dreams on a regular basis don't you?;) There is more to dream yoga than this I know, but this could be a start.

What I'm trying to tell you is that you don't have to have an über-exciting life to do reality-checks, just be critical of your surroundings and notice the little strange things that happens throughout the day. According to experienced Dream Yoga-practicioners this way you can have lucid dreams on a "nightly" basis.

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Thanks for the reply :) I wonder though, when you say you have to be very disciplined when working with your dreamjournal, surely this is equally valid when talking about working with the same awareness in dream yoga?
I think the difference here though, is that I'm working with the base material ie: what actually happened in my dreams rather than what might appear in my dreams within the waking world.

I'm not in any rush here by the way, I'm just trying to see if I can work my way from the bottom upwards towards more lucidity generally.
I'm trying to find that elusive mechanism that creates awareness and don't want to bombard myself with the many "ILD's" that most noobs seem to be drawn to straight away and then end up disappointed when none of them seem to work.

Well you are absolutely right, both takes dedication and as the DJ-approach is confined to just before night-time and not throughout the whole day. I just think that if you take the "awareness approach" you could "easier" make it a part of your life and so it would be more habitual than pulling out the DJ before bedtime. (By easier I mean that you do have to make an effort to become as aware as required, but once there you will reap the benefits in multiple ways)

But ok you are right if we are talking about finding a technique that doesn't require to much effort during the day, then any new approach is good news.

I'm no Dream-Yoga expert, so I guess I will have to let others defend the fine art of Dream-Yoga ;)

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

in my case, I work in a closed environment at work where I'm on my own for much of the day and so I don't really see that many different people or locations during the day...

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Ah yea, that's a bummer. It's still gonna be the heightened level of awareness that let's you begin questioning things in lucids, though. Dream yoga without the name (such a stupid name :roll:) and the incredibly extreme levels that it stresses.

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

So this is my take on how you may become lucid more often. Pretty much ignore waking life stuff, apart from the location you're in or people you meet throughout the day, these are still good for performing an RC, but everything else is a bit pointless if it doesn't appear in your dreams.Take for example, Doors, Elevators, Lightswitches etc, these don't appear in my dreams, so I don't do an RC in waking life even if I see or use one.

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Yea, I don't RC to those things either. I never have doors, elevators, or lightswitches in my dreams. I don't ignore the environment though, I try to remain very aware of it. Not to the point where if the threads on the carpet are all tilting a certain way like it's been vacuumed I get down on my hands and knees with a magnifying glass, but I just try to ask myself some basic questions... where am I, should I be here, who else is here, why am I here, how did I get here, what was I doing before this, do I have plans for after this? Kind of thing. I couldn't care less about my reality checks transferring into my dreams. It's this general questioning mindset and awareness of where I am and what I'm doing that's important. And after putting in enough effort, you don't even have to really be that aware. It's just enough to wait for novel things and then deeply question them.

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

Refer back to your DJ every night and re-live those dreams in your mind whilst reading them. What you're looking for is not necessarily a specific dreamsign such as a person or place but what objects manifest themselves there, are they something you've been using recently or something you used to own 10 years ago? why is it here etc? does it work correctly? is it the right shape?

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Yup, this is what I mean when I tell people to 'become familiar with your dreams'. A benefit of raising your awareness is that instead of relying on accounts in your DJ, you just become lucid to them during the dream itself. For me it boils down to- can you keep a steady DJ, or not?

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

In virtually all my vivid dreams I've had in recent weeks I've had things or objects out of place that shouldn't be there, call them anomalies or things out of context, but put bluntly, they are errors which don't appear in waking life.So whilst you're reading your DJ and come across one, picture yourself there saying to yourself "Hey! this aint' right", "That can't happen!" "Time for an RC!" or any other sort of phrase or mantra that might jog your mind next time you're in a similar dream. Think of it almost like another version of MILD or an autosuggestion to your subconscious, but in this case, you're doing it way earlier before you go to bed.

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Yup, this sounds exactly like MILD. Timing of a MILD doesn't really matter, so long as you tell yourself to remember these things and RC to them.

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

Why do I think this might work you're asking? Well, I've just come to the conclusion that I'm barking up the wrong tree with too much emphasis on the waking world and less on the dream world. If you're in the waking world and do say 10 to 15 RC's throughout the day, pat yourself on the back for remembering to do them, but you may not get lucid even after that.

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I strongly agree. The emphasis on a certain number of RCs performed during the day is absurd and so irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Elkfazer

Far better I think, to do 10 RC's or error spotting within one dream rather than the whole day in waking life! And this of course will grow after you enter more and more details into your DJ, not only that, but you can go back weeks or months within the DJ doing the same error spotting.

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So yup, the MILD technique.

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Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

By that I don't mean waiting for Godzilla to look into your office-window to do a reality-check, but instead do a reality-check if you suddenly notice a pencil on the floor - that you don't remember how got there, a strange looking man on the way home from work, a beautiful woman, or other "little" things that could be out of the normal.
This way you should be able to condition yourself to be aware both in dreams AND in real life, this is what some people call Dream Yoga I believe.

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Precisely, except without the dream yoga involved. Simply raising awareness.

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Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I know you said that dream yoga isn't for you, but hey you do want lucid dreams on a regular basis don't you?;) There is more to dream yoga than this I know, but this could be a start.

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On the other hand, raising awareness isn't the only way to DILD. Like Elkfazer has realized, you can use the MILD method and/or autosuggestion in lieu of heightened awareness or dreamsigns (although you're making your dreamsigns unusual objects and using MILD to remember to RC to them).

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Originally Posted by Shift

On the other hand, raising awareness isn't the only way to DILD. Like Elkfazer has realized, you can use the MILD method and/or autosuggestion in lieu of heightened awareness or dreamsigns (although you're making your dreamsigns unusual objects and using MILD to remember to RC to them).

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Thanks very much for your kind words Shift :) at least I know I'm not going far wrong with my current thinking, and I will try and bring my awareness level up a notch or two throughout the day.

For me at the moment, I've only noticed objects out of context that has caused my consciousness to become lucid a couple of times, and I really want to take it to the next level where I can notice dream characters or actual locations that are not in context, but this will take a lot of training as it seems we are virtually hard-wired to accept what we see.

I would like to know where your main success in realising you're dreaming actually comes from, and can you get it down to the most basic level yet, as in people or places not feeling right?
The ultimate I guess is just recognising the location is wrong or not somewhere you should be at that time.