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Hi all,
I've been reading up on L-Hydroxytriptophane, the amino acid that the body uses to create seritonin.
GNC has it for $25 for a bottle of 60 sold as 5-HTP. I've heard the FDA was going to pull it.
Have any of you used this, if so, what effects did it have.
I don't want to pay $25 for nothing.
I personally wouldn't know Seeker, I like to stay natural and not rely on products to help me Lucid dream, However I'm interested in what this thread might turn up...
what did you get your kids for Christmas? :banana:Quote:
Originally posted by Seeker
I don't want to pay $25 for nothing.
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Call it 'womens intuition', but I think I'm on to something here.
Temporaryism has been the 'Black Plague' and the 'Jesus' of our age.[/b]
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That's why I can't afford a $25 bottle of pills :)
Go my son a new E-machine. Gave my daughter cash, she has a school trip to Orlando this spring and wants some spending cash!
All I want to know is, why the heck are we talking about eggnog?
*edit* Whoa, wrong thread, my bad people
THAT makes perfect sense, my friend, perfect sense. :bravo:Quote:
Originally posted by Seeker
That's why I can't afford a $25 bottle of pills
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i dont want to talk to you anymore, im afraid of what i might say. I bite my tongue every time you come around, cause blood in my mouth beats blood on the ground.[/b]
I'm buying some 5-HTP next week so if anyone's still interested, I'll let you know what happens.
Yeah, keep up posted. I bought a bottle of Melotonin 3 this weekend but haven't taken any yet. I like to have 3 or 4 glasses of wine at night and there is a stong warning on the bottle about mixing it with alcohol!
well, if we dont hear from you in a couple days, we will assume your kids used up all your money, or well, yah what you said. :fro:
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There is a fist pressing against
Anyone who thinks something compelling.
Our intuit were taught to deny, and our soul were told is for selling[/b]
Lowercase,
isn't it about 2 am over there? I can't remember, is Greece on CET or CET-1?
You need to get some sleep!
yeah it is 2! you know! awsome, you are a cool grandpa! :fro:
oh and everyone here in greece stays up and parties till really late.
no curfew, no laws for anything! haha!
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To resist is to piss in the wind.
Anyone who does will end up smelling.
Knowing this, why do I defy? Because my inner voice is yelling.[/b]
And best of all, GRAPPA!
GRAPPA?! i dont get it...grandpa? ok
hey seeker, how would i go about UPLOADING a picture of me to this forum, in a post?
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To resist is to piss in the wind.
Anyone who does will end up smelling.
Knowing this, why do I defy? Because my inner voice is yelling.[/b]
how old are you BTW?
Who? me or seeker?
Seeker is like 250 somethin :yumdumdoodledum:
I am 17! yes i know, a young'in.
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To resist is to piss in the wind.
Anyone who does will end up smelling.
Knowing this, why do I defy? Because my inner voice is yelling.[/b]
well fellows im gunna go to sleep now. and seeker by the way, as you know, THE SARCASM IS GREAT, and you make this forum more interesting! just dont kill yourself mixing those tablets.
i think the wiskey is making me tired, so goodnight all. :cheers:
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To resist is to piss in the wind.
Anyone who does will end up smelling.
Knowing this, why do I defy? Because my inner voice is yelling.[/b]
Don't worry about it. Im only 15 :tongue: Good luck with tha dreams tonight :okbyenow:
15!?! that just woke me up
haha, im not the youngest! wait, there is someone who is 16 too
alright cool.
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To resist is to piss in the wind.
Anyone who does will end up smelling.
Knowing this, why do I defy? Because my inner voice is yelling.[/b]
Actually, I'm 294 (in dog years)
I e-mailed my picture to someone, Aneus I think, and had him put it on their website and then present a URL.
Maybe if you join one of them, like yahoo or something.
people, i'm going to tell you the darkest secret - by using the means of sorcery i turned my age backwards... I'm 9 now.... :lol:
You can take alot of melationin without hurting yourself, but you have to build up to it, if you pop a buncha pills... you are going to have an... interesting night, also mixing with alchohol makes you have to pee alot during the night, not good for your kidneys but neither is drinking.. umm
I take 10mg and sometimes have had a few to drink.
But My body chemistry is weird, I am fairly resistant to most things, so my dosages are usualy higher than normal.
Holy shit :holycrap: I have to try that! :goodjob2:
1 thing lives me disturbed tho - you take 10 mg EVERY night????
I've read some interesting reports of mixing it with vitamin B6 and valeriana root! I'm going to vitamin world tomorrow, gonna have some fun...
B6 good for neurochemistry valarean root a natural sedative
4, 2.5mg sublingual tablets
Seriosuly I started at only 2.5 dont just pop a bunch to see what happens thats dangerous and stupid.
They have done studies and found that people can take over 3000 times the normal dosage without ill side effects, how true this is... is questionable... I dont think that would be wise.
The melatonin does increase my REM time and the longer I sleep the more apparent it is.
ANd yes I know that sleeping longer increases REM time, I am saying that its even longer with the melatonin. =)
Oh, I love doing stupid and dangerous stuff with drugs :lol:
1 thing bothers me tho - i dont want to wet my bed :oops:
I hate mixing drugs and alchohol... I feel like a fool when i cant distinguish between drank and stoned...
I've been doing a little research. It seems that mixing 5-HTP and alcohol induces siezures in some people. Even at the 50mg level.
Looks like I'm going to have to go on the wagon before I experiment with these. My bottle of Melatonin looks so lonely. It is sitting next to my monitor looking at me
Heh, I'm surprised no one discussed nutmeg yet...
nutmeg is nasty... brrrr.. :barf:
Melatonin..and the like, and so and so forth..its all nice I recently got on melatonin. And I gues it is going to give you more vivid dreams and longer REM periods or somethign but seriously..I dont think any herb or pill is going to get you lucid. Thats all up to your self I think.
Because I mean..it works so well for seri because he is a natural anyway, but for other people you are just going to get more vivid and longer dreams or something..not lucid I think..or is it proven pills(or herbs) grand lucidity aswell..seems a bit unlikely to me.
I dont get lucid anymore then I normally do with the pills..just once or twice a night.. ..but I take it anyway, hoping its gonna work ^_^
herbs can help you at the beginning.
I got my first lucid dream after i smoked Salvia divinorum... but i suppose it interacted with my prescription medications... and i became lucid and had a false awakening...
nutmeg...? huh?
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I’d like to close my eyes and go numb but there’s a cold wind
Coming from the top of the highest high rise today.
Its not a breeze cause it blows hard, yes and it wants me to discard the humanity I know, watch the warmth blow away.
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http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/nutmeg.shtml
some info on nutmeg
Effects:
Possible nausea during first hour; may cause vomiting or diarrhea in isolated cases. Takes anywhere from one to five hours for effects to set in. Then expect severe cottonmouth, flushing of skin, severely bloodshot eyes, dilated pupils. Personally I compare it to a very, very heavy hash buzz. "Intense sedation". Impaired speech and motor functions. Hallucinations uncommon in average (5-10 gm) doses. Generally followed by long, deep, almost coma-like sleep (expect 16 hours of sleep afterward) and feelings of lethargy after sleep. May cause constipation, water retention. Safrole is carcinogenic and toxic to the liver.
It's not strange - I go to erowid for all my drugs...
I second that Erowid and Lyceaum are excellent resources. Knowledge is power and i'm convinced those sites have saved my ass with experimentation quite a few timesQuote:
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It's not strange - I go to erowid for all my drugs...
nutmeg can be some really nasty stuff, kind of like morning glory seeds, right?Quote:
Originally posted by Lowercase Society
nutmeg...? huh?
too lazy to read....haha drunk lazy to read!
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Today, everything was fine. Until roundabout, quarter to nine, I suddenly found myself in a bind. Was it something I said? Something I read an manifested that’s getting you down.[/b]
It's a lot less effective than morning glory and the sensation is also nowhere near on a par with a good extraction of morning gloryQuote:
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nutmeg can be some really nasty stuff, kind of like morning glory seeds, right?[/b]Quote:
nutmeg...? huh?
Bluedini,
Have you bought that bottle of 5-HTP yet? I'm thinking I may buy one this weekend. I'm interested in how it works for you..
I'm either getting it on Monday or tommorow. All depends on if i'm recovered from new years by tommorow or not. I'll let you know as soon as the results are in :D but I imagine we'll be getting it about the same time if you get some at the weekend.
Yeah, I'm swearing off alcohol for a few days so I can try some.
I'll do melatonin tonight and might buy some 5-HTP Friday or Saturday.
Ok, I've got a nice big bottle of 5-HTP capsules sitting next to me now, I'll let you know how it goes in the morning :D How'd the melatonin work out Seeker? I'm thinking about moving onto that next.
The melatonin had a nice soothing effect. Unfortunately, I was also suffering from alcohol withdrawl and they kind of cancelled each other out.Quote:
Originally posted by Bluedini
Ok, I've got a nice big bottle of 5-HTP capsules sitting next to me now, I'll let you know how it goes in the morning :D How'd the melatonin work out Seeker? I'm thinking about moving onto that next.
Physical withdrawal can last three days. Saturday night should be great.
However, I had a really long vivid (but non LD) last night.
I'll hold off on the 5-THP until you report in.
I may add that melatonin works just wonderful!
I'm taking it with valeriana root.
However it has 2 bad thing about it - you sleep so deeply that it is extremely difficult to recall full dreams... But what you remember is just
mind blowing! Such clarity/consistency/story...
And it makes you very sleepy in the morning. I guess it depends on dose...
Well the 5-HTP definatly had an effect. I dosed 100mg and I definatly remembered more dreams that I normally would have (I remember about 6 opposed to the usual 1 or 2) and they all seemed a lot more detailed and 'plotted' although not nessicarily more vivid (I've been having some amazingly vivid dreams lately as it is, the 5-HTP didn't seem to top this). Also, the seretonin has definatly made my dreams more pleasant which has been a big improvement on the crap I've had to sleep through lately. I've heard that 5-HTP has a cumulative effect over a period of days though so I may have more to report tommorow. So the 5-HTP definatly has an effect, not as strong as Melatonin from the sound of. The brand I'm taking is combined with Valarian root and Vitamin B6 so they might have added a helping hand too (although the Vitamin B6 is very low dose).
WOW, what a night!
I decided to ignore the warnings on the bottle of Melatonin and took a 3mg dose with half a bottle of wine.
At least 5 really involved, vivid dreams. Unfortunately, none of the lucid.
I can remember performing reality checks in at least two of them.
I tried to fly, but couldn't and therefore concluded that I was not really dreaming!
I can even remember the disappointment I felt because I wanted to go lucid!
Maybe tonight I will try the 5-HTP, or maybe just the Melatonin again.
CAUTION: You should always follow the instructions on any bottle of medicine. Just because I'm an idiot and mixed it with alcohol doesn't mean you should.
Well I dosed another 100mg last night and only really remember one dream but it was very detailed and more 'plotted' than most of my dreams. So yeah, 5-HTP definatly has some effect but I think Melatonin's where it's at.
Could be. I did another 3mg of Melatonin last night. 5 very vivid dreams. Wouldn't want to use it to the point that I became tolerant or anything.Quote:
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Well I dosed another 100mg last night and only really remember one dream but it was very detailed and more 'plotted' than most of my dreams. So yeah, 5-HTP definatly has some effect but I think Melatonin's where it's at.
Hey Bludini, how long do the effects of Melatonin last?
I took 3mg last night around 10:30, but had to get up at 5:30 this morning.
I feel really disconnected...
Maybe I shouldn't be taking this unless I plan on a full 8 hours of sleep??
I'm not really sure how long the effects last as the last week or so I've been having 10+ hours of sleep a night. I did wake up in the night once and feel unusually 'out of it'. My 5-HTP contains big doses of Valrian Root though so I assumed it was the sedative effect from that. Also, isn't Seratonin (produced by 5-HTP) the natural counterbalance to Melatonin? I dunno, maybe taking 5-HTP so soon after Melatonin has had some sort of adverse mental effect seeing as they're both so closly linked to mood.
I've been staying on Melatonin 3mg a night. Mine also has Vitamin B6
I've noticed a remarkable increase in clarity and vividness. But seem to have lost a little control in lucid stages. Could be some kind of seditive effect messing with my mind.
Just a quick update. After seeing on another forum that some people had had more success at a higher dose, I loaded up on 200mg of 5-HTP last night. The results were through the roof. I was stupid enough not to write down the first one's when I woke up at 6 but i wrote down the last one I had before I finally woke up and it's the longest most detailed dream I've ever had (not the most vivid though). Amazing, I think I'll be taking 200mg again. It is twice the recommended dose though so I don't suggest anyone else try it of course.
Twice?? I thought 50mg was the recommended dose.
You're not mixing that with alcohol are you??? Sounds like you are living on the edge, be careful!
I've continued my 1/2 bottle of wine and 3mg Melatonin regimine. Move vivid dreams, better control. Seems to be working.
But I'm not going to push it.
No no, I had to forgo getting drunk at a party last night because of the doses I've been taking. I think I remember reading somewhere that too much seretonin and alcohol gives you seizures :shock: so I'm gonna avoid drinking while I experiment with the doses.
On the back of the bottle it says the recommended dose is 50 - 100mg so it's double the maximum dose. Probably not too healthy so I'm not going to do it too regularly but it worked a treat again last night, the dreams were amazingly vivid, in the last dream of the night I can really close to realising I was dreaming.
Also, I found out Melatonin is only avaliable on prescription in the UK (apart from ordering online). Is it worth ordering some would you say? The 5-HTP seems to be doing the trick but I'm not keen on constantly doing these high doses
Well, I've just finished experimenting with 5-HTP the last few nights.
I cannot tell that it has any effect on me. Guess I'll just stick with Melatonin! It works much better, for me anyway!
but you mix it with 1/2 a bottle of wine?
isnt that bad as well?
Had a couple of drinks with it. Didn't seem to have 4ny 1ll 3ff3cts...