What do you call a dream that continues after you wake up?

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Eddy...no one criticized you. Try to be a little less defensive about your religious beliefs, especially on an online forum such as this. As well, it's probably not a good idea to assume that everyone that doesn't share your beliefs is automatically atheist (which I'm not) and closed minded (which I am absolutely not). When you stop viewing people's comments as a personal attack and become more confident in your own beliefs you will realize there is no need to be so defensive or to make incorrect generalizations about others. Again, I'm not criticizing you, just trying to give you some general advice that will likely make your stay here more pleasant. ;)

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I realize no one was criticizing me. What I was referring to was Conkt snide remark they just had to put in about God when commenting about my experience. Conkt said, " I don't think this god fellow would be able to change the chemical content and electrical currents in your brain."

First of all, I don't feel this was personal toward me. I was just shocked that a forum about dreams would get a snide remark about God when commenting on someone's dream.

I also didn't say others who don't believe as I do (they don't really know what believe anyhow) were athiests did I?

So, if I go on to talk about other dreams involving religion or God in any way am I to expect snide remarks such as what Conkt said? Is what they said appropriate in a forum that's supposed to be from open minded people discussing dreams of all things?

Why do emphasise the fact that it is a dream forum? Why do you seem to think that a dream forum should be more strict about religion?

But, I think it is wrong to say bad things about religion, but I do not think it should be against the rules to say things like what Conkt said.

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Originally Posted by slash112

Why do emphasise the fact that it is a dream forum? Why do you seem to think that a dream forum should be more strict about religion?

But, I think it is wrong to say bad things about religion, but I do not think it should be against the rules to say things like what Conkt said.

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I just thought that since this isn't a religion forum full of debate that people would simply comment about a person's dream without weird remarks. Since this is a forum about dreams I thought differently about it and it's users thinking they must be open minded people that can accept the person's dream from what it is and not delve into religious debate. I never will again bring up any experience I've had in that regard on this forum. Those are the deepest ones anyhow and would'nt be appreciated by many on here. I'd rather not start debates of that nature.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

There's a thread about this elsewhere on the forum which contains an article about various stages of consciousness, microsleeps, and how when people first wake...they can still basically be in a dreaming-like state for awhile and experience such things. The lines between sleep and wake are becoming more and more blurred.

You were not blessed with a disturbing and seemingly pointless religious vision that only prayers to God could manage to make go away.

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It certainly wasn't a pleasant experience, but it did make an impact. Maybe that was the point, to see someone that many believe has caused such trouble for mankind be trapped in a pit. I was awake for a while, actually out of my bed and walking and then sitting down and the experience continued for a while.

I know someone who prayed and fasted for 40 days (drinking only water) to get reality of God. They asked God to let them see an angel. Sometime toward the end of the 40 days an angel appeared to them in their house. The man was not sleeping. They were simply wide awake and saw the angel appear. It frightened the man so much to see such a bright holy being that he prayed to God to take it away. The angel vanished instantly. BTW, my friend told me the angel did not have wings, had hair down to his shoulders and had pure eyes of love and peace. But, the experience frightened him so much he wanted it to go away.

My experience, since I was coming out of sleep, I believe as others (after reading some unbiased comments) that it was just hallucinatory. I don't believe it was a true vision. But, it must have had some importance for it to have the impact that it did. I asked a minister about it and they also did not confirm it as a vision, but an experience of worth.

I didn't mean any offense, I just meant that praying will have almost no effect on alleviating nightmares.
Oh, and about Dreamviews being an open minded forum, open minded people generally lean towards atheism and agnosticism. We are open to new ideas, such as scientific discoveries, as opposed to religion which only follows a 2000 year old book. For a visual representation, click the afro :fro:

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Originally Posted by Conkt

I didn't mean any offense, I just meant that praying will have almost no effect on alleviating nightmares.

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Speak for yourself my friend. It worked for me.:)

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Originally Posted by Conkt

Oh, and about Dreamviews being an open minded forum, open minded people generally lean towards atheism and agnosticism. We are open to new ideas, such as scientific discoveries, as opposed to religion which only follows a 2000year old book.

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I can't think of a more open minded person as one who uses pure faith to believe in someone they've never seen before. As far as science, I've studied botany and biology and was headed into that field knowing full well all of Darwin's studies. Many don't realize the first mention of any evolutionary idea was in Genesis. It plainly states fish of the sea and fowl of the air both came from the sea. The big difference is whether the current race of Homo sapiens had any connection to pre-historic man (the 'caveman' as some would say). I know a Christian minister who believes (based on current science) that current mankind is indeed a new species and that there is no 'missing link' only similarities. And, that of course the earth is VERY old and there's a great gap of time between the first and second verse of Genesis. There are other passages that refer to a civilization before the earth's ice age or 'void' mentioned in Genesis 1:2. Many mistakenly think the Bible says the earth is only 6000 years old, but they don't realize it doesn't say that anywhere, but only focuses on this new civilization with man created in God's image. The creatures of prehistoric times, many theologians believe, did not have souls. They were entirely different.

Forgive us for getting off topic. Conkt and I couldn't resist.:)

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Originally Posted by Eddy

I just thought that since this isn't a religion forum full of debate that people would simply comment about a person's dream without weird remarks. Since this is a forum about dreams I thought differently about it and it's users thinking they must be open minded people that can accept the person's dream from what it is and not delve into religious debate. I never will again bring up any experience I've had in that regard on this forum. Those are the deepest ones anyhow and would'nt be appreciated by many on here. I'd rather not start debates of that nature.

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Ah, I see. Well, us dreamers are a very mixed community. And that would be the reason for the amount of different off-topic sections. (i.e. a religion section and a science section)

But really, don't worry about saying stuff like that. But maybe it's best that you say in brackets something like "this is how I feel it is", or "in terms of my beliefs" kind of thing.

Most of us are open minded to everything, but there are unfortunately some here which are very ignorant of people's beliefs. But don't worry about them.


And Conkt, you do realise that even if God does not exist, praying still gives confidence, and confidence is a big big part in lucid dreaming.

I don't understand how it double posted my comment so I removed the second one.

Slash is right, dreams have nothing to do with religion. we are getting off topic

but conkt, and yuri, you are right. Those are horrible things that come from religion. I am talking about more passive religion. As long as we dont use religion as an excuse for murder and such, the belief that there is a God will not hurt you. it does not say anywhere that you should not do stem cell research, and even what the bible says will not be fully correct. you have to remember that people have changed it over the years. That is the problem with people, that they take it to literally and stubbornly. The religions' books are guides, not textbooks, and shouldn't be read like textbooks.

it is not necessarily the religion, but the stupid people in the religion that is bad, and those stupid people will be in every religion. Like i said, though, it is your choice to believe in what you want. If Christianity is wrong, i am screwed, and i don't know. no one can really know for a fact can they?

sheo, you are right, no one can know for sure.

So me myself, I like to stick with things that have an argument. I suppose Conkt's picture is kinda my opinion on things.

BUT, I am open minded, I respect most beliefs.

And woa, you are right, this has gone WAY off topic.

So, to answer the OP, it is either a false awakening, or hallucinations.

It has been proven that praying changes the way your brain works, but it does the same thing when you meditate. The act of praying can help with lucid dreaming, but no more than meditating, and it's not by an god's hand that you become lucid.

Open mindedness alone is not a good thing. It must be paired with a healthy level of skepticism, else one risks becoming gullible. To quote Noogah, "Careful. Being too open minded will make your brains fall out." I'm not saying that there is no god. For all we know, god very well could have created the universe. I'm saying that there is no proof of him/her ever touching the Earth or altering it in any way. Because of this, all human religions are but superstitions, losing all credence. They are an immature means for early mankind to make sense of that which was, until recently, beyond understanding.

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Originally Posted by Conkt

..there is no proof of him/her ever touching the Earth or altering it in any way.

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Well.. hmmmm..

"String Theory" posits something that may point to the existence of "God".

I'll try to explain as I understand it:

"God" as "Creator".. "God" as the source of all life/energy..

According to String Theory, the Universe that we inhabit, although inordinately large, is essentially finite..

And at the limits of the Universe is a cocoon-like structure of intermeshed lines of "energy" which are the source of all "energy" contained in the universe, and that includes you and me, the stones, the dust, everything.

So.. if this turns out to be true, then, being the source of all energy, this cocoon could well be termed "God".. not a human-like God who hears our prayers and who cares for us, but a rather impersonal entity, who couldn't really give a damn one way or the other, because it is too far removed from the human to be affected by our petty machinations.

Just a thought.

I agree. If there is a god, it is not a white man with a beard who lives on a cloud, as many people seem to believe. I will believe in god once adequate proof of its existence is discovered.
String theory is rather strange, though. Here is a visual representation:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/string_theory.png

Is it not possible that all gods of all religions were actually human beings in some far ahead future tampering with the timeline in order to fix something that would have inevitably doomed us, creating a paradox with an explanation that is so complex that we could only classify it as gods due to the inability to explain it to people who don't even know what electricity is, much less quantum mechanics.

now magnify the complexity of that by one thousand and you have the string theory :)

That's called science fiction.

Locking the thread for now, may move it to R/S if it continues to get too far off track.

And guys, let's please not derail every thread where someone mentions having some kind of religious beliefs, especially in the on-topic forums. :(