Dream-Time vs. Real-Time: The experiment.

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10-20-2009, 12:20 AM
Conkt

Dream-Time vs. Real-Time: The experiment.

I am doing an experiment for my grade 10 science project on the correlation between the aforementioned times. I am seeking experienced lucid dreamers who are willing to record their eyes while they sleep. This would be best for WILDers, but anyone who uses WBTB can help.

The Procedure

1. Memorize this sequence of eye movements. (1) Up, down. (2) Left, right.
2. Rig a camera above your bed, and focus it on your eyes/face.
3. Perform your usual lucid induction technique.
4. Upon lucidity, perform the first sequence twice.
5. When ready, perform the first sequence again.
6. Perform the second sequence 10 times, once per second.
7. On the eleventh second, perform the first sequence again.
8. Pause for several seconds, stabilizing lucidity if necessary.
9. Repeat steps 5 through 7 twice.
10. PM me for further instructions.

If possible, I'd like at least 3 people to take part in this experiment, but the more the merrier. It would also be much appreciated if this is done by this Sunday.
10-20-2009, 05:40 AM
Conkt

Shameless bump. I'd really like some help with this. If I could get the help of any of the dream guides, it would really be appreciated. 10 Internets to anyone who helps.
10-20-2009, 05:49 AM
TomSnare

Grade 10?
I pinned you for older than that, you're more clever than the average of your age.

Anyway, I think this is a good idea, but I don't know if this approach is viable. Even if the person does those eye movements in the dream.. does that mean that they will be acted out physically? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they will. Also, a person goes through many stages of sleeping in a night, you'd have to go through a lot of footage quite carefully.

I'd help out, but my LD's just aren't that reliable yet, good luck to you anyway :)
10-20-2009, 06:58 AM
Naiya

Very good idea for an experiment.

LaBerg did one similar to this, only with more hi-tech stuff. But same basic idea: he had people count while awake, measured their accuracy, then had them count while they were dreaming (I think they would make certain eye movements for another person to watch), and measured the accuracy of that. Then both trials were compared.

If I might ruin the results for you: lucid dreamers were just as accurate at counting time as they were awake. Which follows that most lucid dreams happen in real time or are perceived in real time. :)

I'd love to do this, but I don't have a video camera to mount on my bed. :(
10-20-2009, 07:05 AM
Maria92

Yeah, I would also love to help you (sounds like a good experiment, too), but I'm not exactly a skilled lucid dreamer (obviously). Good luck to you, though!

Man, a science project on lucid dreaming...I'm doing one on how essential oils impact the behavior of fruit flies. A smidgen more low-tech, I would say...:P
10-21-2009, 12:14 AM
Conkt

Thank you, Mario. I'd love it if you could help, Naiya, but don't go out of your way.

Anyone else with a camera + lucid frequency, please join!

I'm of the impression that taking part could actually increase your chance of becoming lucid, for those who are not yet "experts"; It would become as a dream goal. So please, help me out here :fro:
10-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Ethereal

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomSnare

Grade 10?
I pinned you for older than that, you're more clever than the average of your age.

*Acts insulted*

I would like to help too, but I don't have LDs often enough.
10-21-2009, 12:45 PM
Jeff777

Hm. Laberge already tested this. From a lucid dreamers perspective, the results showed that "real-time" wasn't much different from "dream-time".
10-21-2009, 04:19 PM
panta-rei

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiya

LaBerge did one similar to this, only with more hi-tech stuff. But same basic idea: he had people count while awake, measured their accuracy, then had them count while they were dreaming (I think they would make certain eye movements for another person to watch), and measured the accuracy of that. Then both trials were compared.

If I might ruin the results for you: lucid dreamers were just as accurate at counting time as they were awake. Which follows that most lucid dreams happen in real time or are perceived in real time. :)

Yup yup.

LDers were accurate within a few seconds. But, I always thought of it like this: LDs are mainly based on expectations. And if you are trying to count and get an accurate number for time... Wouldn't you most likely get an accurate number?

I've had dreams that felt like they lasted longer than a half hour or more. They've felt like days and weeks. Of course, they weren't. But dream time seems very relative.
10-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Solipsist

Well dreams occur in REM stage where your eyes move rapidly, everything is going on within your brain, so how could you move your eyes. It's like people who sleepwalk, they don't know they are doing it. I don't believe that time passes equally in dreams as it does in reality. The dream may last for 5 minutes in real time, but the actually time passing in the dream may be a lot longer.
10-21-2009, 07:39 PM
panta-rei

The rapid eye movement is related to your eyes moving in the dream, usually.

LaBerge told a story about a guy whose eyes darted back and forth during REM. When asked what he was dreaming, the guy said he dreamt about a ping pong match.
10-21-2009, 08:04 PM
Naiya

Well, time in general is relative. Einstein says so! :D
10-21-2009, 08:24 PM
Jeff777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiya

Very good idea for an experiment.

LaBerg did one similar to this, only with more hi-tech stuff. But same basic idea: he had people count while awake, measured their accuracy, then had them count while they were dreaming (I think they would make certain eye movements for another person to watch), and measured the accuracy of that. Then both trials were compared.

If I might ruin the results for you: lucid dreamers were just as accurate at counting time as they were awake. Which follows that most lucid dreams happen in real time or are perceived in real time. :)

I'd love to do this, but I don't have a video camera to mount on my bed. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Hm. Laberge already tested this. From a lucid dreamers perspective, the results showed that "real-time" wasn't much different from "dream-time".

I swear you must have used a delorean and went into the past and inserted this post before I posted with the help of Doc and Marty. :-(
10-21-2009, 08:30 PM
Naiya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I swear you must have used a delorean and went into the past and inserted this post before I posted with the help of Doc and Marty. :-(

Jeff, you should know better! I used the TARDIS, of course! Gets much better mileage. :boogie:
10-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Conkt

So... can anyone who can help this weekend PM me?