Attaining Lucidity practice in the real world!

Some may or may not find this helpful, I thought it was very interesting and proved to be GREAT practice.

After a few beers most people notice a drop in the consciousness. Most people don't really do much about it but people who are trying to lucid dream should notice this and attempt to pull themselves out of this state back to consciousness.

Here's what I've found to be great practice;
-Drink until your consciousness is only just impaired. Use to to attain lucidity of the world around you.
-That part's easy, step two is to drink more. Drinking more will push your consciousness further into the range of that of a dead squirrel. When your consciousness has gone further pull yourself out of it.
-Continue these steps for as long as you believe you should/can. The more you drink the more your mind will fade into the background, it's your job to pull it back to the frontlines. It's great practice, be warned though that you most probably will not be able to lucid dream the same night that you drank.

***Warning***
Whilst under the influence you will have moments when you're completely or nearly lucid. However, due to your state and not being in an actual dream (though it may feel like it) your consciousness will not last forever.
In lucid dreaming once you pull yourself out of the abyss and into the dream it's relatively easy to maintain that state of mind....not while drunk. You'll have moments when you're lucid but you'll soon find yourself having to pull yourself up again and again (though depends on how far gone you are). This is difficult but it does allow for even more practice.

Well, they're my ideas. What do you think? Ever experienced this before?

I don't think you should try this around people or planning to drive because that would be insane!

This sounds very very dangerous/unhealthy...

It does sound unhealthy. Interesting method though.
You don't need crap to help you induce lucidity (although I understand this is just to train your mind to pull itself into consciousness).

People are like "oh lets smoke pot" and "lets take vitamins" to make them lucid, or at least help. Whatever happened to the good old natural way? Drugs and strange methods like drinking are not the answer. Just an excuse to do it in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Loaf

It does sound unhealthy. Interesting method though.
You don't need crap to help you induce lucidity (although I understand this is just to train your mind to pull itself into consciousness).

People are like "oh lets smoke pot" and "lets take vitamins" to make them lucid, or at least help. Whatever happened to the good old natural way? Drugs and strange methods like drinking are not the answer. Just an excuse to do it in my opinion.

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Loaf is right, try doing it naturally.

Wake up early and stay in bed. So you will have this nearly unconscious state of mind. And if you are lucky you can hit lucid in the same day...

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Originally Posted by Awakening

Wake up early and stay in bed. So you will have this nearly unconscious state of mind. And if you are lucky you can hit lucid in the same day...

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Nice one! :)

Or when you're very sick and feel like you can't consentrate on anything... But that's not very frequent. I like the 'when waking up' one.

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Originally Posted by StrangeDreamsGuy

This sounds very very dangerous/unhealthy...

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I'm not saying go out of your way to do it! I'm saying the next time you're drinking or just having fun with friends it's a good thing to try just for the heck of it. It's not "Get drunk and drive all of your friends home".

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I want to make this very clear, no one is talking about using harmful drunks like Marijuana. Drinking is a healthy practice in modesty, and if you sometimes have a drink with friends it could be worthwhile to practice your lucidity.
Despite what some think I'm not saying "Get out there and do unhealthy and harmful things!" Don't use drugs, don't get drunk and be sensible. yeah?

My post was -snipped- because it was in the wrong topic. :P
You must have seen it before I removed it.

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Originally Posted by Falsename

I want to make this very clear, no one is talking about using harmful drunks like Marijuana. Drinking is a healthy practice in modesty, and if you sometimes have a drink with friends it could be worthwhile to practice your lucidity.
Despite what some think I'm not saying "Get out there and do unhealthy and harmful things!" Don't use drugs, don't get drunk and be sensible. yeah?

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drinking is more harmful than cannabis...

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Originally Posted by bewareofit1505

drinking is more harmful than cannabis...

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No, 'statistically' drinking is more harmful than cannabis.
To the average person drinking is just enjoyable with no risks involved. The reason drinking is 'statistically' more harmful is because of the binge drinkers out there.

No, it's because it impares you differently. Being high and being drunk arn't the same. When you're drunk you can't keep a car between two lines, or walk easily. Weed effects your judgement more then you're motor skills. Their more likely to drive slow then anything else. I will say though that I tend to drive on "auto-pilot" after I smoke so I try to avoid it anyway.

Before loaf jumps down my throat, I'm not saying it's a good idea to use ANYTHING just for the purpose of LDing. I don't see anything wrong with seeing if things have an effect but like loaf said, don't use it as an excuse to do drugs or drink.l

I actually get pretty damn lazy and unmotivated when I drink. It's part of the reason I only drink every now and then with friends ( once every couple of months). I'm just more likely to say "screw it" then actually try.

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Originally Posted by Boogaloojay

Before loaf jumps down my throat,

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Calm down, I've already had my say on a number of topics. :P

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Originally Posted by Loaf

It does sound unhealthy. Interesting method though.
You don't need crap to help you induce lucidity (although I understand this is just to train your mind to pull itself into consciousness).

People are like "oh lets smoke pot" and "lets take vitamins" to make them lucid, or at least help. Whatever happened to the good old natural way? Drugs and strange methods like drinking are not the answer. Just an excuse to do it in my opinion.

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+1

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Originally Posted by Loaf

Calm down, I've already had my say on a number of topics. :P

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I forgot my :P when I posted. Was just poking fun at our disagreement.:)

I would not recommend this to anyone at all. Binge Drinking is a bad habit and should not be encouraged. Although it my fulfill its intended purpose for this thread, it is by no means practical or ethical.

it's funny because getting drunk stuffs up your REM cycle, kinda defeating it's own purpose
i'm sure there are better ways to practice, man.

As I've said before, I'm not telling people to binge drink or do drugs (how'd that even come up?). I'm not opening a discussion to the ethical dilemmas of drinking or drugs.

What I am saying, and I'll quote this so you don't misinterpret.

"If you drink (not get drunk)(maybe just with some friends) it's a time to practice becoming conscious/lucid. It is simply practice! Don't get drunk! Don't take drugs! Don't binge drink! I like to think of Lucid dreamers as smart people with a life and jobs....not pot smokers, drug users and anything else. I don't mean to offend any drug users who are in fact Lucid Dreamers or want to be Lucid Dreamers".

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"This is practice for if you have a few drinks, don't go out of your way to drink! (or anything else!)."

(Just as a side note for the drug-user above (no offense). Drinking is more dangerous to the overall populace, however. I want you to cross reference the amount of people who drink and the amount of people who smoke pot. A much much much larger *percent* of people who smoke are killed or injured. This includes things like cancer and (unfortunately) choking. Not to mention the effects that drug using has on imediate family and friends. Now to everyone else who's on the outside of the circle; no bias opinions, which would you prefer to smoke pot or have a drink?)

If I come along as one of those screaming internet types I profusely apologise, I'm actually pretty new to the internet having lived in the country all my life. Some things (like actual internet screamers with misconscrewed ideas just because they're involved in them, *pot*. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but sometimes being incredibly biased when voicing your opinion isn't called for.

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Originally Posted by Falsename

As I've said before, I'm not telling people to binge drink or do drugs (how'd that even come up?). I'm not opening a discussion to the ethical dilemmas of drinking or drugs.

What I am saying, and I'll quote this so you don't misinterpret.

"If you drink (not get drunk)(maybe just with some friends) it's a time to practice becoming conscious/lucid. It is simply practice! Don't get drunk! Don't take drugs! Don't binge drink! I like to think of Lucid dreamers as smart people with a life and jobs....not pot smokers, drug users and anything else. I don't mean to offend any drug users who are in fact Lucid Dreamers or want to be Lucid Dreamers".

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"This is practice for if you have a few drinks, don't go out of your way to drink! (or anything else!)."

(Just as a side note for the drug-user above (no offense). Drinking is more dangerous to the overall populace, however. I want you to cross reference the amount of people who drink and the amount of people who smoke pot. A much much much larger *percent* of people who smoke are killed or injured. This includes things like cancer and (unfortunately) choking. Not to mention the effects that drug using has on imediate family and friends. Now to everyone else who's on the outside of the circle; no bias opinions, which would you prefer to smoke pot or have a drink?)

If I come along as one of those screaming internet types I profusely apologise, I'm actually pretty new to the internet having lived in the country all my life. Some things (like actual internet screamers with misconscrewed ideas just because they're involved in them, *pot*. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but sometimes being incredibly biased when voicing your opinion isn't called for.

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I agree but this does in a sense promote drinking unintentionally. The goal is to when you drink(not get drunk), try and bring yourself back to full consciousness each time you go further "impaired". Isn't impaired another word for Drunk in this context? Now isn't that challenging you to see how drunk you can be while remaining lucid? Especially because as you get more drunk, your judgment is affected (correct me if im wrong) so you will most likely continue more so to see your limit. I am pretty sure when your goal is related to getting drunk, its called binge drinking. I am not trying to cause an argument, just saying that this is not something people should try IMHO.

Okay, I am pretty sure Falsename was just trying to suggest a new different method and wasn't trying to promote drinking (even if he did in some way) so we can get off his back for that now, if you don't mind.
I also think that maybe this was a suggestion for if you get drunk (which a lot of people here probably will sometime within the month) so you can kill two birds in one stone, as opposed to getting drunk just to try the method, which is what a lot of people seem to have perceived here.

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Originally Posted by Falsename

As I've said before, I'm not telling people to binge drink or do drugs (how'd that even come up?). I'm not opening a discussion to the ethical dilemmas of drinking or drugs.

What I am saying, and I'll quote this so you don't misinterpret.

"If you drink (not get drunk)(maybe just with some friends) it's a time to practice becoming conscious/lucid. It is simply practice! Don't get drunk! Don't take drugs! Don't binge drink! I like to think of Lucid dreamers as smart people with a life and jobs....not pot smokers, drug users and anything else. I don't mean to offend any drug users who are in fact Lucid Dreamers or want to be Lucid Dreamers".

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"This is practice for if you have a few drinks, don't go out of your way to drink! (or anything else!)."

(Just as a side note for the drug-user above (no offense). Drinking is more dangerous to the overall populace, however. I want you to cross reference the amount of people who drink and the amount of people who smoke pot. A much much much larger *percent* of people who smoke are killed or injured. This includes things like cancer and (unfortunately) choking. Not to mention the effects that drug using has on imediate family and friends. Now to everyone else who's on the outside of the circle; no bias opinions, which would you prefer to smoke pot or have a drink?)

If I come along as one of those screaming internet types I profusely apologise, I'm actually pretty new to the internet having lived in the country all my life. Some things (like actual internet screamers with misconscrewed ideas just because they're involved in them, *pot*. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but sometimes being incredibly biased when voicing your opinion isn't called for.

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Choking? How do you die from choking? You don't choke, you cough. There isn't supposed to be anything in your throat when you smoke aside from....smoke. You seem to think people who smoke haven't done any research before hand and that's a mistake. Most people that smoke know it's effects before they start. Nobody has choked to death from smoking weed and don't make me laugh with the "it effects you're friends and family". Never in my life have I seen anybody ruin their family with weed and I've smoked with literally hundreds of people. I've seen people who are hooked on coke, heroine, meth, who ruin their lives, but not weed. You don't seem to understand that with weed there isn't any physical addiction. That's a fact, not just something I'm saying to sway you. It is mentally addicting though if you get into a habit of it, but you're body doesn't need weed like it would if you were stopping crack or other "shit".

As far as cancer, you can't prove it and I can't prove anything against it. There are cancer causing chemicals in weed but there are also anti-cancer chemicals as well. Same with the phycosis thing, there are chemicals that promote phsycosis, but there are also anti physcotic chemicals as well. I actually wish they would research this a little more. I remember reading somewhere that it raises your risk of some cancers and lowers the risk of others. Increased risk of testicular cancer I beleive but I can't remember for sure.

I will state this though, there has never been a death directly related to weed (which is what choking to death like you said is) and you can't overdose on it either. You would need to smoke 40 pounds in under 15 minutes to die from it and if you happened to do that.....well, wow.

Drug user am I? So are all the alcohol drinkers, cig smokers. You take something for your headache? You're a drug user to then. What makes those drugs so much more different then weed? Oh yeah the government taxes those so they tell you it's ok. More people have died from taking advil and other over the counter meds.

If they make weed illegal because it's dangerous then surely you agree that alcohol should be as well... Alcohol impaires people in a way that makes them feel like their not that drunk even when they are. People who smoke weed know their impaired. That is the major difference. I have been drunk and said to my buddies I could drive home. Thank god they didn't let me because I was trying to get into the wrong car. I've smoked weed and I knew I was impaired.

Smoking weed doesn't fuck up you're vision or make you see two of anything. It doesn't make you stumble, it doesn't make you slur you're speech, it doesn't make you beat the fuck out of you're wife for looking at you sideways and it doesn't cause you and your best buddy to get into a fight over something stupid. It doesn't make you violent or angry like drinking does and your body isn't dependant on it if you stop. People who are addicted to alcohol are much much more addicted then people who smoke weed.

Just spend a few minutes looking it up so I could post the numbers. There is a ratio that people to see how much of something it takes to OD. Weed has a ratio on 1:40000, meaning however much it takes you to get high, it takes 40000 times more to kill you. You would be asleep a long time before that. In contrast, alcohol only has a ratio on 1:4 to 1:10. It's also pretty common for people to get alcohol poisoning without meaning to while with weed you can try all you want, you won't OD. It doesn't have anything to do with the amount of people smoking vs drinking, it's just a hell of a lot easier to die drinking ( unintentionally to boot) then it is to die smoking.


Before someone jumps down my throat about it, I consider myself an experienced smoker that knows what to expect from weed and how to handle the buzz. I've seen new smokers that can't control themselves like the ones that have been smoking for a while. Obviously if you're not an experienced smoker then you shouldn't do dumb things like drive. When I first got my license I made the mistake of driving high when I wasn't used to driving yet. Disaster, not because I was bad, but because I felt very "not in control" and that's not fun when your driving. I wasn't trusting my senses because I just wasn't used to driving. Even without weed I had trouble for a month or so after driving on my own. Now that I'm used to driving I'm alright but I still won't go to an area I'm not familer with. I can never find my way out again.... :D

It does make you drive slower, it does make you more cautious because you are actually AWARE that you're high.

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Originally Posted by Loaf

Okay, I am pretty sure Falsename was just trying to suggest a new different method and wasn't trying to promote drinking (even if he did in some way) so we can get off his back for that now, if you don't mind.
I also think that maybe this was a suggestion for if you get drunk (which a lot of people here probably will sometime within the month) so you can kill two birds in one stone, as opposed to getting drunk just to try the method, which is what a lot of people seem to have perceived here.

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Yeah, that's the way I would go about any of these chemical methods to induce lucids. Don't do them with the soul intent of dreaming, but like loaf said, why not kill to birds with one stone?

Judging from the responses to this thread, perhaps lucid dreamers are minded against alcohol use - which seems in accord with the idea that lucid dreamers are on the average more aware of their surroundings than the non-lucid dreamer. Indeed, alcohol seems quite the symbol of non-awareness and stupidity (among the young). Now, to add something to the actual topic: I like the idea of using alcohol-intoxicated states constructively. Many of us do drink socially from time to time, and it is easy not to notice the lapse in consciousness that often accompanies even small quantities of alcohol. This is indeed another opportunity to remind oneself to be more aware. If you've let yourself fall down a hole, at least you may try to climb out.

(I guess in bad company this would result in decoherence in communication, but that may only be a small price to pay ;))

Boogaloojay: the following will quite certainly fall on deaf ears, but I will give my opinion anyway. It is a general psychological tendency that we want to justify whatever habits we have. You have convinced yourself that smoking cannbis is fine, as your post shows. I warn you though, there is very much mere belief and opinion in what you posted above, if you critically read through it, you will see it. I want you to understand that you have tricked yourself. Deep down you know that being a long time stoner is no better than long time alcohol user - deep, way deep down. At first ofcourse you will think up excuses why cannabis is better, but if you're critical enough all these will fade away.

But even deeper down, you'll find that it makes no difference. So why are you so opinionated about it? Why take it so seriously? THAT is what points to your addiction.

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Originally Posted by Boogaloojay

Choking? How do you die from choking? You don't choke, you cough. There isn't supposed to be anything in your throat when you smoke aside from....smoke.

When I first got my license I made the mistake of driving high when I wasn't used to driving yet. Disaster, not because I was bad, but because I felt very "not in control" and that's not fun when your driving. I wasn't trusting my senses because I just wasn't used to driving. Even without weed I had trouble for a month or so after driving on my own. Now that I'm used to driving I'm alright but I still won't go to an area I'm not familer with. I can never find my way out again.... :D.

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Look, joke all you want that 'weed isn't harmful'! People in my town have choked on their own vomit (and died!). A man down my street lost his family due to his drug addiction. I don't believe I'm going to go further into my own life just to explain this to you, a lot have people have been hurt from drugs that I know of.

"Don't me me laugh"??? Honestly, I think you're the only one who is. Drugs are harmful and there are no two sides about it, smoke it all you want I don't care about you but don't you dare turn around and tell me that they do not do damage, I know they do and I have been hurt because of it.

Do me and probably a lot of other people a favour and think about the difference between voicing an opinion and keeping your mouth shut for other peoples sakes, please.

Irregardless I'm not going to discuss the factors of drug using with you, that's not why I started this.

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Originally Posted by Falsename

No, 'statistically' drinking is more harmful than cannabis.
To the average person drinking is just enjoyable with no risks involved. The reason drinking is 'statistically' more harmful is because of the binge drinkers out there.

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And what about those people who only have a small smoke at night? open your eyes man

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Originally Posted by Nathan

And what about those people who only have a small smoke at night? open your eyes man

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What about those people who only have a sip of wine?

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I don't fully understand it. So you should drink a beer, get another one then after 4 or so when you start to feel a 'buzz' you should try to feel 'normal' again? And continue with more and try to get normal focus and sight?
I'm not really sure if that can help your lucidity in a dreamstate though :p
But why would you do so if there's no proven connection between the two? Or is there? If it does help you or anyone, let me know ;)

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Originally Posted by Loaf

What about those people who only have a sip of wine?

:P

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The one sipping the wine will have a healthier heart. The one having a small smoke will have a little crap in his lungs...
But let us not stray off topic :p

Drinking in general is bad. I don't think blacking out will help with LD's :eek:

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Originally Posted by Ladon

The one sipping the wine will have a healthier heart. The one having a small smoke will have a little crap in his lungs...
But let us not stray off topic :p

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I agree with everything in that post.

Boogaloojay, I know you don't want anyone to to comment on your post, but I'll do it anyway..... What the heck are you doing?!?!? Your making a report that's promoting weed! Ever heard of second hand smoke, lung cancer and more? Why not you search the symptoms and side effects.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

I don't fully understand it. So you should drink a beer, get another one then after 4 or so when you start to feel a 'buzz' you should try to feel 'normal' again? And continue with more and try to get normal focus and sight?
I'm not really sure if that can help your lucidity in a dreamstate though :p
But why would you do so if there's no proven connection between the two? Or is there? If it does help you or anyone, let me know ;)


The one sipping the wine will have a healthier heart. The one having a small smoke will have a little crap in his lungs...
But let us not stray off topic :p

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but you dont even need to smoke to take cannabis.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

but you dont even need to smoke to take cannabis.

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Well yes... when eaten it's probably better than alcohol (if you compare it in larger quantities). But wtf are we talking about anyways xD

A vaporizer, perhaps? I dunno...never used the stuff, never touched the stuff, most likely won't ever go near the stuff. I don't need drugs to have a good time. :P

Yeah a vape is great if you dont want to smoke, its soo much more healthy. Anyways lets get back on topic :p