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Well, it's sort of an apples-to-oranges comparison if you ask me. Lucid dreams are about going on adventures, and doing stuff you can't normally do... With psychedelics, it's more like your perceptions are expanded, and you can feel and sense things you couldn't before. It's very hard to describe but due to my limited experiences with lucid dreaming I suppose I'll go with psychedelics (until I can start having some major LDs).
That's like comparing apples and oranges. Regarding the mere matter of excitement, psychedelic trips are probably more arousing, because they are hard to control if at all. Eat some belladonna (don't!), then you'll know what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom
Apart from that half of the substances you mentioned aren't even psychedelics.
Care to cite some examples? I haven't seen a single non-psychadelic drug mentioned. Except belladonna, that is. Deleriant, poison
Every drug I have mentioned so far is a psychedelic, my friend. Belladonna certainly is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Planewalker
DMT, Sage and Peyote do not belong in that category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom
List of Psychedelic Drugs
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Serotonergic psychedelics (serotonin 5-HT2A receptor agonists)
This class of psychedelics includes the major hallucinogens, including the ergolines like LSD and LSA, tryptamine-based compounds like psilocybin and DMT, and phenethylamine-based compounds like mescaline and 2C-B.
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Empathogen-entactogens (serotonin releasers)
The empathogen-entactogens are phenethylamines such as MDMA (Ecstasy), MDA, and MDEA, among others.
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Cannabinoids (CB-1 cannabinoid receptor agonists)
The cannabinoid tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and related compounds are capable of activating the brain's endocannabinoid system.
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Salvia divinorum is an atypical psychedelic.
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A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter the cognition and perception of the mind. Psychedelics are part of a wider class of psychoactive drugs known as hallucinogens, which also includes related substances such as dissociatives and deliriants. Unlike other drugs such as stimulants and opioids which induce familiar states of consciousness, psychedelics tend to bend and twist the mind in ways that result in the experience being qualitatively different from those of ordinary consciousness. The psychedelic experience is often compared to non-ordinary forms of consciousness such as trance, meditation, yoga, and dreaming.
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Many pharmacologists define psychedelic drugs solely as chemicals that have an LSD- or mescaline-like action, working on the serotonin 5-HT2A receptor in the brain. Some people have applied the term psychedelic to other hallucinogens including dissociative NMDA receptor antagonists such as phencyclidine, dextromethorphan, and ketamine, tropane deliriants such as atropine, and other psychoactives such as Amanita muscaria, cannabis (to some extent), Salvia divinorum.
Tough question, I would say as far as excitment goes there about equal but dreaming is way more important to me and has value beyond just fun and excitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom
Ive also found that having an awakening can be way more exciting. The visuals are better and the sensual experience is also beter than any drug Ive ever done. (I'm guessing that this is what taosaur is refering to as samadhi)
Don't get me wrong, I dont realy do alot of drugs any more, "getting older" Just alcohol and maby a doobie or two on the weekend while working (musician) Too many peoply there I know who have it.
Besides drugs interfere with my dreaming too much.
Ever dream of taking a psychedelic? Ever take a psychedelic in a dream? Ever trip on a psychedelic and think your dreaming? Food for thought haha.
The only time I've ever tripped on a psychedelic and thought you were dreaming was when I first smoked pot (dank) and I legitimately thought I was in a dream. It was even trippier because I was outside at night. I've also achieved the same effect with shrooms.. but I fell asleep mid-trip so that kind of ruined it.. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom
And in my dreams, I've done every drug I have done in real life, at least 4 times over. Fun stuff :)
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I like lucid dreams just because you can do anything. If you jump off a roof in a lucid dream, you fly away, doing that on acid has caused the death of many hippies.
I find them both fun, in very different ways. I find philosophy and engineering fascinating while hallucinating, and the colours and sounds of a drug trip are so much fun. But for safety and lucid sex, and flying, LD > LSD.
I haven't tried many drugs in my life. The most intense i did was a legal substance which is said to be just like marijuana, only stronger and involves closed-eye hallucinations.
It was great and everything: Every time i closed my eyes there were these incredibly complex patterns (really, you can't understand how complex and precise they were) and it was constantly zooming out of it, revealing that those were only a small part of something bigger, and it kept going on. Music was strange, if i focused on it, i was able to slow it down somehow.
Anyway, it was great, but didn't get even close to my LDs, which aren't even that long for me yet (i'm kind of a beginner).
I didn't try LSD or anything like that, but from my personal experience, Lucid Dreaming is the best. And i hope i'll be able to get the maximum out of it.
I've never had a lucid dream, but i've went off the deep end with mushrooms and ended up in a dream-like place that i could manipulate, so it was pretty much a lucid dream, but heavily psilocybin induced. It was all in my head. I took 5 grams of p. cubensis to achieve this. I've had several life changing experiences happen during a psychedelic trip. If you havent reached the higher levels of the psychedelic mindstate, it's really hard to describe, but it's well worth delving into it yourself. Just have a sober/experienced person around.
Those must of been some great (dank) shrooms! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Headspace
But yea, I've also gone off the deep end a couple of times. My first big acid trip, I thought I died. For 4 straight hours I was walking around my house talking to faces in the wall, and ghosts floating around (what I thought were ghosts were just shadows and light reflections from my window shining out from the street light. But the shadows and lights morphed and moved around).
Don't want to stray too off-topic so.. I've had 3 dreams where I did a psychedelic drugs, last week (must of been from reading this thread). Actual tripping is a lot better tho.
had to put my first post here. only really had a few psychadelic trips but lots of lucid dreams. id have to be annoying and say that the best parts of the trips were the bits that were like dreams, while the best dreams have often involved psychadelic type experiences, and even taking dream versions of things like salvia. almost like they meet in the middle somewhere. hello all
Ego death huh? Everytime I do drugs in my dreams they all feel the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
Sounds like salvia maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xegar
Naw I wouldn't call it ego death, because I've felt that and it was pretty different. It was more like a trip, where I thought I was dead. I didn't panic or anything, I was just kind of at peace? It's hard to explain I guess haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom
My first LD, before I knew the term "lucid dream," I was tripping with this girl I was on-and-off with at the time, and realized it wasn't the real her. Realizing that people I'm looking at are not who they appear to be is probably my #1 dream sign leading to LDs.
Ego death isn't always scary. You can have an ego death experience without any panic or fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motumz
Hmm, interesting. Than I guess what I experienced with the Salvia ego death was more of a drop-kick to the face kind of ego death. And the Acid induced ego death last week was more of a calm accepting ego death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom
I have to say though, even if ego death can go both ways, either frightening or enlightening; they make for great mind expanding trips.
What I found more exciting was having a lucid dream while on mushrooms.
The dream was hard to maintain, although the adventure (while short lived) was exciting.
the first time i had ego death it was really intense cause i didnt really know what was happening and i kinda tried to fight it. the next couple of times i experienced ego death it was quite pleasant.
Same for me. My first encounter with ego death nearly made me shit my pants I was so scared. It takes awhile to get used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesLD
I gotta disagree with everyone here. I've only had a few LDs, none of them too out of the ordinary so maybe I'm not experienced enough to answer, but I say tripping is MUCH better. Shrooms have given me insights about myself, the world, people, relationships, sex, the mind in general, etc. I feel like I can delve into my own mind with psychedelics, whereas LDing for me as been simply recreational. As I've said, I'm not an experienced lucid dreamer, so I really don't know. I can't see any lucid dream comparing to 5 grams of some strong mushies, however. We'll see.