An example of our tendency to fail at logic, and perhaps an exercise to overcome it: Exercise Your Brains – Visual Logic Brain Teaser | SharpBrains |
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I've been rather frustrated lately by my almost constant inability to lucid dream. Since pretty much the beginning of my attempts to intentionally lucid dream I actually noticed a decline in my ability to easily slip in and out of dreams, and now I am almost altogether unable to lucid dream on-demand. Couldn't I just go with DILD or MILD or one of those other induction techniques? Well, sure, and I have. And I've even discovered some of my own techniques along the way. And they really do work. But I've just realized something lately that makes me wonder if all these techniques are kind of missing the point. |
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An example of our tendency to fail at logic, and perhaps an exercise to overcome it: Exercise Your Brains – Visual Logic Brain Teaser | SharpBrains |
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Another example, this time in video. |
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I'm not too sure about that theory. I have spent years thinking logically in every way, shape and form. For a living. But I am still searching for and creating tools for lucidity. |
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Well, that depends really on how we define logic. Referring to coding, this is very complicated, it's a left-brain thing of course, but it involves very deep, complex thinking. When we're talking about dreams, or particularly lucid dreams, what we mean by logic is down to something very simple. It's the clearest, most certain path of thought from point A to point B. That's what we're after here. |
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I think you are on to something big here. |
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If I understood things correctly, chemicals are released or something like that which completely prevents us from thinking logically inside our dreams. Does anyone know more about this? |
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This is why WBTB is such an effective method. You stay up long enough to get your brain working logically again, but you stay up just short enough so you still feel tired. |
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Yeah! I've always wondered something along those lines! |
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Last edited by Snivellus; 01-17-2011 at 03:54 PM.
Nice topic. Inspired me to the idea of a very simple and effective RC. |
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not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.
I like this theory. I will see if I can come up with any ideas. |
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Very smart to think of this! |
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Ive got an app on my iPod - called Brain Trainer or something.. I might combine these logic exercises in my 20-30mins of being awake for my WBTB method - give it a few nights and see what happens in terms of becoming lucid and if amount of time increases! |
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you know, that is a really good question. i recently started to look into this and realised that all of my lucid dreams started with a thought. i don't know if this is the same for anyone else but i can't quite remember thinking anything in a no lucid dream. when i become lucid it's like waking up. its funny because whenever i become lucid its always a chain of thoughts that lead me to lucidity. thats why when i become lucid i never "need" a reality check to make sure. i just know. i feel like i'm rambling here, but i think that any sort of concious thought during a dream, would instantly make me lucid. |
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Ah, I don't want to ruin it for you, but logic can be a problem too. For example, I'm very logical in dreams and am always thinking about the actions and the enviroment, but because of that too, my dreams are logical, so nothing out of the ordinary happens and most RCs won't work, not to mention there is always a fake memory to ruin the memory RC. |
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This is interesting. I have read in some WILD tutorials to focus on more logical thoughts when going to bed instead of "anxious" thoughts, like what happened during the day. |
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Hi, I've been having the same problem. About 4 years ago, when I started lucid dreaming I used to have them almost every night, and it kept that way for almost a year. Then it started to dissapear, and now I can't even remember what I dreamed last night. I think now is because I am going through a very stressful moment, heartbroken, so that keeps my mind full all day, and I can't even sleep well. I just want to lucid dream again, but I guess right now is not possible. Anyway, I'll try some techniques, but it is very frustrating, because I can't remember better nights than those where I could do everything I wanted in my dreams. |
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I enjoy this post! Let me tell you something about logic. Most people think logic is simply thinking about things in a common sense sort of way. However, logic is sooo much more. |
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One very simple reality check I started doing is randomly pausing for a moment throughout the day to observe my surroundings in detail. A slow deep gaze around the room while silently questioning whether or not I'm dreaming. I'll do this 3 to 4 times every hour and a half roughly. Been doing this for about a week and haven't seen any results yet. However I have only had a few lucid dreams so far. I feel like I should be doing more reality checks though. |
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I like this theory. I shot a huge bird with my pellet rifle a while back and it got stuck in a tall tree in my backyard. So I was trying to get it down, but couldn't and I didn't want the neighbors to see it, so I decided to get up early and get it. The next morning I got up at 6am and went outside trying to figure out how to get it down, but realized it fell off during the night. My point is that's I had to figure out how I would get this bird down and thought logically and went back to bed and had a lucid. |
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I'm not entirely sure of this. I've definitely had non-lucid dreams where I was thinking logically. I've taught abstract algebra to DC's without becoming lucid, and I've done some pretty convoluted arithmetic in dreams (which, upon checking in waking life, turned out to be error-free) without being lucid. |
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Let me add, however, that I think "logical thinking" works as a lucidity aid for many people because to think logically requires a fair amount of awareness. My examples from personal experience may have a bit of a bias; I am trained as a mathematician and so logical thinking is a bit more second-nature for me than it once was. So it would make sense, in this case, that dreams requiring logical thinking would not prompt lucidity for me. In other people, however, who are less acquainted with logic, to exercise this type of mental function requires attention to detail and an awareness that they typically do not display in dreams. It's this awareness--so I hypothesize--that prompts lucidity, not the logical thinking in and of itself. |
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It's not about logic, but awareness. Just practicing more logical thinking won't do much for lucid dreaming. You need to practice awareness, mindfulness, in your day to day life. Or at least a combination of logic and awareness. |
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Well that's not fully true, because I believe that logical thinking and things that involve logical thinking can really help during a wbtb to become lucid. I mean it can help turn on your frontal lobe which will help a lot. That's what galantamine does as a lucid aid, which in return helps a lot with becoming lucid. But I definatly agree that awareness is the number one thing. I believe the best way Is to go throughout the day being as aware of yourself and everything around you as possible. I think that stopping a few times a day and really observing your surrounding and recognizing what and where you are in that period of time. |
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Every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around.
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