Thread: Finger Induced Lucid Dream (FILD)

i have been trying FILD for the past week, with little success. i have been setting my alarm for around 4. i usually wake up, turn off my alarm, and either go straight back to sleep, or remember to try FILD, try it, and it doesnt work, or just getting to excited and not being able to fall asleep. it kindof worked one time, but for some reason, i imagined myself doing the technique, and i was suddly lucid in a dream about school. idk, maybe i was dreaming that i imagined myself do it. im going to stick with this tech though, it seems to be effective and instantaneous if it works.

Tried to FILD using the water technique, but that didn't work, so the next day I just used my cell phone alarm like I planned. It worked, I got into the dream, but was woken up by my brother, who got home from a late party.

Trying again tonight, If I'm not interrupted, I'll post my results.

This may seem really wierd, but while I was attempting a FILD, I saw an image of my gf sitting in front of me in social. Althouhg it was only a still image, I could feel my leg reaching out to rub hers like I commonly do in RL.
I could actually feel contact with her leg though.
Anyone else get this?

I tried it last night... with an alarm clock. The alarm clock woke me, but I thought I was still dreaming. By the time I realized I was awake, I was too awake. Any suggestions?

Well I din't have any lucid dreams with this technique, but it always helps me to fall asleep much faster than usually. Maybe I have to concentrate more.

a few days ago I was successful in what I believe was a lucid dream using the FILD technique. I turned off my alarm, went FILDing, and was succesful at a Nose RC. I tried one more RC and failed, I had woken up. This all occured in my bed

@Sk8boardgeek: Just make sure that once you hear the alarm go off, you fly up and shut it off.

@Rustboy: This technique works on concentration. It is kind of like a WILD, but is way easier since rather than trying to concentrate on something, you simply move your fingers. Concentration is the key.

@Hero: Just make sure that you are 100% dreaming before you get up. Do multiple nose RC's before you get up to be certain. If you believe you are dreaming, you can always preform other RC's in bed with your eyes closed. Such as trying to make it bright in your room, or hovering.

thanx swikity.

I tried the one with that glass of water last night. I woke up too late though, it was like 5:30 and already light out. Maybe I just have to be more thirsty?

It being light out isn't always that bad.
It makes it so if and when you have a FA, you won't wake up in complete and total darkness.

The thirstier the better

which do you find more effective, the thirst one or the alarm clock?

I tried a FILD a few days ago and it worked good for my first time. I set the alarm 5 hours in and just focused on tapping my fingers. After a few minutes i did the swallow-breathing rc (that muscle in the back of your throat- when you tighten it it blocks your airways) and i could breath. Then I rolled out of bed, but it was a forward roll, and instead of hitting the ground I got stuck in the air, upside down. Then i had to turn my self over and I tried flying but i hit the ceiling. I have only done it once and it was successful so I am going to try it again tonight to see how well it goes.

Im gonna try this tonight...I really hope it works! This seems really easy...

when is the right sleep stage to do this in?

@Sk8boardgeek: I automatically wake up at the end of dreams but if I were to use one, it would be the water one. I find the water more effective, but if you are a super deep sleeper, then an alarm clock would be better. The correct stage to do this in is during your REM pattern. Your REM pattern starts after about 5 hours of you sleeping. For me its about 2-3, but apparently I am very different from most people because of how soon it starts.

How long does the REM state last after you enter it? I'm just curious because I just started trying for LD's and I want to know if after it starts if there is only a small frame of time to try the FILD.

Is there a tutorial on how to train yourself to wake up after a dream?

@Sean: Welcome to Dream Views!
The REM period lasts for a bizzarely huge ammount of time considering how long it takes to get into. You can enter the REM stage hours after you get up. For example, today I had an LD in school.

@Sk8boardgeek: Im not sure if I wake up actually after a dream or not. Its hard to tell since Im already in my REM cycle. Maybe it is technically at the end since I rarely re-enter a dream.
I doubt there are any tutorials, but being a super light sleeper helps.

I might try this again tonight. On the other hand I want to try and WILD, so maybe I'll try both (set my alarm 4 hours after sleep for WILD, set it 2 hours after that to FILD... then I'll still have 2-3 hours of sleep left!)
Oh and by the way with the REM cycle, when I have a regular sleep pattern (which I do now) I start REM 3.5-4 hours after going to sleep I know this because when I set an alarm I will remember a few dreams at this time.

seems like a good idea, but i dont understand something. do you just keep moving your fingers and let yourself fall asleep?
definetly gonna try this tonight!

You move 2 of your fingers up and down, only slightly. It's almost in your head, that you're moving then. After 10 seconds to 1 minute, you'll do a reality-check, and you'll most likely be in a dream.

I'll try again tonight. Haven't done it yet :/

when I wake up, I always feel to awake to be able to fall back asleep in 1 minute or less... how can I correct this?

Originally Posted by sk8bordgeek

when I wake up, I always feel to awake to be able to fall back asleep in 1 minute or less... how can I correct this?

You dont have to be super sleepy. Just lay there for a while and when you feel yourself slipping away, then start.

Hey Swikity,
im keen to try this method but i was just wondering what your success rate is for it?

thanks

I think I have found what peopel do wrong. Atleast those, who can't seem to do it. This morning, I tried the technique again, and I almost did it. However, I had to get up, and my mom woke up

But yeah, I think I've found the problem. People seem to stretch their fingers, and then do the technique. What you have to do, is relax your hand, don't stretch anything. Then, just slightly move your fingers. When I did it this morning, I almost didn't move them. I just focused on the feeling, of moving fingers.

Make sure you don't stretch your fingers. It's like a reflex, which is why we don't see it/feel it.

Swikity, have you tried FILD in the afternoon? Do you think it can be done? Like, go to sleep for 10 minutes, have a little alarm wake you up, and then go back to sleep again, doing FILD?