Thread: Finger Induced Lucid Dream (fild)

I didn't mean it an a bad way. SMiles all around!

Originally posted by gameover
I didn't mean it an a bad way. * SMiles all around!

Drinks too. I'm gonna stop right here before my posts get moved to "senseless banter", as many of them do! LOL

Originally posted by gameover
You can argue with the truth all you want. See where it gets you.

A job in the media with a ridiculous salary for reporting stories based half and rumor and clevery-edited speech. I expect it really would; make anything that makes a large amount of the public buy it, regardeless of wether it's the truth or not enteriely legal, and you'll get loads of money. Because money can play god. It can:

Make things get built for you.
Decide wether people live or die. (ie: bribe)
Turn money into items.
Make people do what you want.

An example of the "money over law" is that of the rainforests- sometimes they are natives in the rainforests that are scheduled to be cut down - if the natives refuse to move, they are killed. You would expect they would have some rights- they're still human beings and they have no right to be killed. But they are - for the money.

The same with the media, really. Let's take David Beckham - maybe he says something like "I am never going to be one of those cheating bastards - my wife is my world" (probably never would, but for examples sake let's just say that). Some reporter overhears it, and writes it down as "I am cheating my wife". It's still legal, surprisingly, because it's what he did say, except with a few words cut out. This makes it to a newspaper, with the headline of those words, then fills up with other words cut by him, rumors that they just made up.

Now, you go write to that newspaper and say "That's just a pack of lies, you evil people." The reply you'll get will be none, they'll just ignore you. And you can keep complaning and they'll just not reply.

Argue with big companies all you want. See where it gets you.
Anwser: Nowhere, or perhaps you'll receive a little snide $5 bill in the mail with a note 'for you inconvience'.

Oh well, let's shut up now beacuse this isn't "the evil media and money", it's Hagart's Induction Technique. I expect this part will get split into another topic or something.

I wouldn't let the media ruin your day. Don't lose sleep over it or anything, cause the media can't do shit in your dreams. That is of course, unlesss you conjure them up for some reason.

I haven't tried this yet, but I am positive that it will work. It's my new "ILD" of choice now given that you don't have to wake up for 20 minutes, or resort to harder tactics . Thanks Hargart for your new method!

Hezekiah, you got it to work

Did you find that you were waking up when you tried to move (in the dream, while your holding your nose)?

If so, Im guessing you still have your eyes closed while your doing that RC (If not try this anyways.. heh ) .. so if you get to that point again, just lay still, keep your eyes closed, and just keep brething thru your nose. Then, just try to visualise the room your sleeping in thru your closed eyes. (will appear).. Then you can get up. (That should get rid of the problem, It does for me)

Damn It work 100% for me i did this morning had 3 ld with 3 false awakenin

I tried it.

Here's what happened. I set my alarm for about three hours into falling asleep and went to sleep.

My alarm went off and I was awakened. I flipped it off and and started moving my fingers for about thirty seconds. It may have been less because I wasn't counting, and I was very tired. I did a reality check of holding my nose and breathing and had no success. I was still awake. So I went to bed again.

I'm going to try again tonight and see if I have any luck.

It seems like it would be a great technique. Perhaps I'm just not giving it enough time for myself to relax? Also, is there any way I could try again an hour later instead of waiting for another night? Oh, and I have a fan running during the night, and it is terribly loud and shakes and pops and rattles in random patterns. Could this pose a problem?

I'll have to try this one tonight

I, also, will be giving the seemingly excellent method a try. I don't expect to much, as I am not that skilled, but just using a RC successfully will be a big step. The only LD I have had so far are from DILDs, but the HILD seems very intriguing.

Well Hargart, I'd just like to thank you for giving me my first LD.

I set my alarm for 4:30, and tried the technique then. It didn't work. I couldn't make myself fall asleep, no matter how hard I didn't try... (). I gave up after that and went back to sleep. I woke up again at 8:30 somehow, and I figured I'd try it once more. I started moving my fingers, and told myself to do a RC soon. I just let my mind wander, which I probably shouldn't have, but that's what allowed me to fall asleep. During the wandering I was hit by a wave of some type of tingly feeling. I knew deep down it was my first LD, but did a RC. I went to hold my nose but I was moving like 10 frames per second... it was really weird. Not all dreams are like that, are they? Anywho, I held my nose and breathed in, and it worked... I was quite suprised that it did, and also that I didn't wake up from the excitment. I then figured I'd try the RC that I had been using, and that was the finger through the palm. After I did that successfully, I was just lying there in bed, in the darkness. I tried willing my room out of its darkness, but that didn't work... and I woke up shortly after.

Well there it is, my first LD. If anyone has tips for the stage after the RC then please tell. I'm not bummed in any way... I had a LD!

- Nemesis

This is definetaly tutorial worthy!

Rabble rabble rabble!

Tutorial!

Congratulations on your LD. Next time, spin wildy and see where it takes you. It should keep the dream going and bring you to a new setting. In fact, it seems to solve a lot of snags. Dream paralysis, fading dream, scenery change.

It didn't work for me the first time I tried. I set my alarm clock for 3:00, woke up, and started tapping my fingers. Are you supposed to immediately do this method after you wake up? What do you mean by relax, and for how long do you relax before doing this? It also could be that I woke up too late/early... I'll keep trying . Thanks!

I messed it up. I was going to try both when I went to bed, and a few REM cycles later. First, I couldn't do it when I went to bed, because I was too excited about taking B6...so I just decided to pass out. Then, when my alarm clock went off at 2:00AM, I turned it off in my sleep... I do that alot during school and stuff. So, today I wasn't able to recall any dreams, or do anything! What a waste. I woke up at six and flipped out! I was planning to take the B6 at two, same time as HILD, but everything was screwed up. So I took 200mg and tried to go back to sleep. I was laying there for two hours, with only some retarded dream about a guy towing my car with a lawnmower. So I keep there, hoping for the best, and in an hour I am slowly jolted by the B6 hitting my system, (3 hours seems a bit long...) So now I am here, feeling like I drank 10 cups of coffee, and with no good dreams.

/rant



Maybe tonight. MILD, then later HILD and B6.

Originally posted by Zonoid
It didn't work for me the first time I tried. I set my alarm clock for 3:00, woke up, and started tapping my fingers. Are you supposed to immediately do this method after you wake up? What do you mean by relax, and for how long do you relax before doing this? It also could be that I woke up too late/early... I'll keep trying . Thanks!

I belive he meant to let yourself start to slip off into sleep a little, and then start tapping. I did it, and I even was doing it while I started to hear hypnagogic (SP?) sound. It would almost have worked if I wasn't so excited.

Ooh, refresh my memory, what's HILD again?? And DILD is Dream Induced LD, right??

I was going to try this method this morning, but I ended up doing a WILD type thing, and only succeeded in falling asleep and sleeping until well past noon! Ah!

HILD (Hargart Induced Lucid Dream) is Hargart's Induction Technique:
Tapping your fingers to keep you awake and doing a RC every 30 sec. or so.

DILD: Dream Induced Lucid Dream (RC, or Dreamsign, etc...)

Finalhope, the point of moving your fingers isnt to stay keep you awake. The movement gives you something to focus on, and makes you dream about it.

Well, I meant concentrate, but...uh...SHAME ON YOU!

Need dream...need...dreammmmmm.......




I was trying to relate this to a WILD or something I guess...so I don't think about tapping my fingers? Yesterday when I did that I would stop tapping after a few beats... Yesterday sucked though, so I'll try it again.

Hargarts, why don't you create a tutorial for the HILD technique. Should be awesome!!!!

what kind of music are we talking about here dance of the sugar plum fairys or what?

Holy crap, man! tried this while I was wide awake around midnight, just trying it out. I had no idea it would work. I said "I am just going to see how I should do this and in what position." But after about 2 attempts, I tried to pinch my nose and breath and I was dreaming! I then said (in my dream) "What the crap? I was just wide awake." I had set my alarm for 5 am where I also tried it. Now I am up to 2 LDs in the same night. I woke up around 9:30 and tried once more. I knew I was dreaming then, but for some reason I thought that I had to keep doing the technique. So because of your technique, I had 3 LDs in one night! Thank you and nice going. The only bad thing was that I was just walking around spawning people and trying to convince them it was a dream. So they were boring dreams, but that is my fault for not trying to fly or anything. Which is surprising, too. I ALWAYS fly the second I realise I am dreaming, but that makes for a short dreams, so this was a good lesson in staying calm.

Skittles' favorite technique for LDing: HILD.

grrr, I tried HILD this morning at about 7:00 am. (I had to get up at about 8:30 so I figured I'd just try) I was tapping my fingers and saying "remember to do a reality check soon!", but I fell asleep then had a false awakening which I didnt realize was false then I had to get up for real.

I'll try again tomorrow.