Thread: Naiya's DILD & WILD Secrets

Originally Posted by lucidmax15895

Hello, Naiya! X)
Hand better? ^_^

Can't wait for new tut stuff.

Thanks. My hand's doing a lot better nowadays, I don't even have to wear my wrist brace anymore. But I ended up going to the hospital the other day due to having a lot of abdominal & chest pain for a couple of weeks--the good news is that I have nothing wrong with me, bad news is that my body responds to stress & anxiety by making pain, lol. So now I'm trying to get back into meditation and trying to de-stress as much as possible.

just wondering if what happened last night was a wild.

I layed down and closed my eyes and kept staring under my eye lid so my mind was active in that since and from what i remember a dream scene apeared as i was walking down some stairs and i was aware i was in a dream from the very first moment. is that WILD?

but it was very difficult to maintian the dream it lasted for 30 seconds, could have been due to sleeping in uncomfortable position or noise not sure.

i did however manage to stabilise the situation to some degree and improve clarity.

Originally Posted by Naiya

Thanks. My hand's doing a lot better nowadays, I don't even have to wear my wrist brace anymore. But I ended up going to the hospital the other day due to having a lot of abdominal & chest pain for a couple of weeks--the good news is that I have nothing wrong with me, bad news is that my body responds to stress & anxiety by making pain, lol. So now I'm trying to get back into meditation and trying to de-stress as much as possible.

Good luck, then. ^^
I really hope you get some relaxation soon. How about a vacation?

Originally Posted by lucidmax15895

Good luck, then. ^^
I really hope you get some relaxation soon. How about a vacation?

Vacation always helps me to quit worrying about stuff for a while.

Originally Posted by Mrsf0011

just wondering if what happened last night was a wild.

I layed down and closed my eyes and kept staring under my eye lid so my mind was active in that since and from what i remember a dream scene apeared as i was walking down some stairs and i was aware i was in a dream from the very first moment. is that WILD?

but it was very difficult to maintian the dream it lasted for 30 seconds, could have been due to sleeping in uncomfortable position or noise not sure.

i did however manage to stabilise the situation to some degree and improve clarity.

Yep, sounds like a WILD to me! Good job. It's pretty normal for your first WILDs to be unstable like that, so don't worry. You did a good job keeping it going. With practice you'll be able to have longer and more vidi WILDs.

Originally Posted by lucidmax15895

Good luck, then. ^^
I really hope you get some relaxation soon. How about a vacation?

Actually, I am on vacation lol. Spring break. lol. So I'm trying to just rest up and relax. @_@

Hi there! I'm a newbie here so I guess I do have some questions to ask.

It's fairly easy for me to get into the SP mode, but not dreaming. Just today I had a nap, and then when I realized I was dreaming, the dream just faded out. I remained with sleep paralysis, and tried to get the dream to form again in but head, with it was all thoughts with no visualization.

Throughout the whole experience I didn't move a muscle because I thought that'd wake my body up, is that true?

How do I get into dreams from sleep paralysis?

There was once whereby I wasn't dreaming at all, but felt an out of body experience but was unable to open my eyes to see what was happening, is this normal?

Thanks in advance for answering!

It's pretty common for WILDs to fade out right away, and that's one reason you will have to learn to stabilize dreams if you want to learn to WILD. One easy way to stabilize is to touch any dream object or rub your hands together or clap them in a dream.

In sleep paralysis, even if you try to move, you shouldn't be able to. It usually takes a great deal of effort to move just one part of your body in SP, and when you do succeed in moving, the SP is broken.

There are a few ways to get to a dream from SP. If you're fairly good at visualizing, then imagine you are across the room, or imagine your hand in front of your face. You will probably see a cloudy or inky vision of it at first. If you get a little visual at all, start moving around and touching objects to stabilize. Now, if you're not so good with visualization, don't worry. Tactile senses are just as good if not better in getting the dream started. Pay attention to any strange tactile sensations during the SP--sensations that you know are hallucinations. Focus on them as if they were real, and they will get stronger. Before you know it, you'll be seeing everything around you too.

It's hard to say if an OBE is normal...because so few people know a lot about it, and even fewer are able to talk about it due to fears of being made fun of or ostracized. So I can't say it's normal as far as being common, but it is normal as far as something that can and does happen to the body.

Really awesome, thank you or writing it up!

Originally Posted by mini0991

I think I know exactly what you are talking about. I have a computer in my room with a very audible fan inside. All I need to do is "get" it to whisper stuff while I attempt the WILD? Can I substituite that instead of concentrating on breathing?

To answer your question, I never ever pay attention to my breathing when I WILD. Like you say, I replace the attention to breathing with attention to the white noise and the HI. When you feel like you're starting to experience the hallucinations, even in the slightest bit, you'll find that it's easy to steer and change them, and actively doing that means you're getting your mind in the state it needs to be in for dream control before the dream ever starts

I have a question regarding complete awareness:

What exactly do you mean by that? Knowing absolutely EVERYTHING around you at the same time? If so, how do I go about doing that? And when I reach that state, how do I maintain it? Is it basically like when you get that feeling when you meditate of 'feeling' or 'sensing' everything around you at once, even when your eyes are closed?

Excuse my language, but that was Ruddy Brilliant.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by TeaSea

Excuse my language, but that was Ruddy Brilliant.

Thank you.

woh steady on mate, we've all had a tea

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

I have a question regarding complete awareness:

What exactly do you mean by that? Knowing absolutely EVERYTHING around you at the same time? If so, how do I go about doing that? And when I reach that state, how do I maintain it? Is it basically like when you get that feeling when you meditate of 'feeling' or 'sensing' everything around you at once, even when your eyes are closed?

Awareness is not about knowing, nor is it about thinking. It's about not thinking. It's about simply being. Living in the present moment rather than being caught up in your thoughts, in your past, in your future. This is the same awareness taught in meditation, yes.

Don't worry about being completely aware every minute of the day right off the bat. It's something that you do gradually. The more you stop and be aware during the day, the more you keep reminding yourself to be aware, the more this feeling will stay in the back of your mind like a running car engine. It will eventually become a part of your consciousness. It builds up over time.

Originally Posted by TeaSea

Excuse my language, but that was Ruddy Brilliant.

Thank you.

Thanks. My favorite tea is red jacket.

Haha this is one of the first guides I read, I printed it out and it marks my page in my dream journal. It is so helpful! Thnx so much Naiya.

Thanks Naiya.. seriously good tutorial.

I especially like the importance you've put on mindfulness. I've recently been attending some mindfulness meditation classes, and we're now being encouraged to try and be mindful throughout the day, in every activity we're doing. It is very difficult with all the distractions there are in everyday life.. but we've been told that there is a cumulative effect when it comes to mindfulness, so the more you do it.. the more potent the benefits. If anyone would like some instruction on the subject, the book that my class has been given is called "Mindfulness in Plain English" and it seems to explain the principles of mindfulness meditation very clearly.

I've been trying to get consistent LDs on and off for a few years now.. but the last 3 weeks I've been practising hard. I'm mainly trying WILDs and DEILDs, but I'm hoping practising mindfulness throughout the day will help me become a more "natural" oneironaut. At the moment the few WILD/DEILDs I've had have been very short lived.. but i'm hoping they'll get longer with practice!!

Thanks again for the tutorial.. it's the first I've found to combine the concept of mindfulness with LDs. I hope to report some good results in the coming weeks!

Lucas

Great job! :d

Good luck Lucas! Looks like you're on the right track.

Naiya, what do you say to yourself while MILDing?

Originally Posted by lucidmax15895

Naiya, what do you say to yourself while MILDing?

"I'm dreaming."

Originally Posted by lucidmax15895

Naiya, what do you say to yourself while MILDing?

Dude...

Max buddy, come on

Originally Posted by Naiya

"I'm dreaming."

LOL me to! Wait I probably learned that from you ahh XD

Hi again Naiya,

So I've been practising mindfulness throughout the day.. no luck yet with the DILDs but the practice in itself is quite rewarding. I've been having a couple of problems with WILDing though. I've been trying to follow your method for the last couple of days.. instead of white noise / a fan I've been focusing on the faint ringing I can always hear when it's quiet enough (not sure if that's normal lol, but I've had it for as long as I can remember). For the first 10 mins or so it all seems like it's going to plan, my body's relaxing nicely.. my mind flys all over the place but I gently bring the focus back to the sound.. but after this I'm not really sure where to go. I don't seem to hear distortions in the sound. What I have experienced, however, is my mind starting to form very weak dreams (I suppose they're probably considered day dreams) which only last for a few seconds before I realise they're happening but then they fade straight away. During these faint dreams, occasionally something happens in them, for example once I dropped something off a shelf, and as it hit the floor I physically heard it.. but that made me jolt back to being awake and I can't seem to control them happening.

If you can offer some guidance it'd be much appreciated.. it's starting to frustrate me how close I'm getting but with no actual LDs!

Cheers,

Lucas

Since posting that yesterday I had my second proper WILD last night!

It happened similarly to how I explained above - after relaxing my mind started entering very weak dreams and as soon as I realised I'd wake up. This happened several times.. I think my mindfulness practise may have been helping to realise they weren't reality, though they weren't quite strong enough to allow lucidity - then finally after shifting position once or twice (I started off on my back for at least the first half hour) I realised I was on all fours on my bedroom floor, I couldn't see, but I knew I was dreaming. Luckily I'd read in another article that you sometimes start WILDs blind, so it didn't phase me and I used my hands to open them.. and sure enough, I then saw my bedroom. I then jumped out of my window (which is on the first floor) and proceeded to enjoy my dream world. The visuals were a bit shakey at first but they soon became clearer. It lasted a good 2 or 3 minutes which is my longest LD to date!

Next time I'm defintely going to try some basic dream control.

One question though - Your tutorial doesn't mention DEILDing / chaining / linking dreams, but I was wondering if you know anything about this? Because I suddenly woke from my LD, but I realised I had, and kept perfectly still to try and initiate the next dream.. but I lay there for a good 15 mins with no luck. Any advice to aid transition into the next dream?

Cheers again