Thread: Love is all that matters

wow, that's really cool!

That's very interesting! Great find! Thanks for sharing!

the movie those clips are from is called water 2008 if you're interested in seeing the rest. I think its on youtube broken up in parts.

yeah I think I will find it!

They mention this in "What the Bleep do we know?!" It's truly fascinating. I know the full implications haven't hit me yet, hence why it's nice to have a reminder. It's good food for thought...

The ice crystals were chosen out of 50 different samples for each set. They are simply choosing the crystals that they feel fits and then dying them to give an added look. Emoto has said himself that this was art, not science.

Hmm... so it came down to chance differences? Does that make the rice experiment a hoax, too?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The ice crystals were chosen out of 50 different samples for each set. They are simply choosing the crystals that they feel fits and then dying them to give an added look. Emoto has said himself that this was art, not science.

Originally Posted by Singularity125

Hmm... so it came down to chance differences? Does that make the rice experiment a hoax, too?

I used to think that Emoto sees what he does as "art". But in some video floating around somewhere on the net, he explains that the reason why he can't call what he does science is simply because science requires the same results every time. And Emoto knows that his simple experiments/art/what ever you like to call it can't reproduce the same results every time.

But. . . Emoto is still a believer that our thoughts and emotions influence water. So the only reason why he doesn't call it science, is only because he acknowledges that his experiments can't provide the final answer, not because he doesn't believe that there is an answer. He does believe that there is an answer!

Getting the same results every time might be nearly impossible for several factors - including the emotions and intentions of the people involved in the experiment. (they would have to be the same every time, how can we guarantee love is always the same?)

But, I think if Emoto ever wanted to take his water experiments further, what he can do instead is graph the results. And maybe then the graphs can show that yes, water given love does have a higher tendency to be more geometrically perfect than water given hate.

Well, either way, I think its food for thought. Something to think about, and, I don't think its ever wrong to spread the message of love - whatever the medium

yes I totally agree, there are many variables but it still is awesome and I have talked to ppl that tried the rice experiment and they said that it worked for them.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The ice crystals were chosen out of 50 different samples for each set. They are simply choosing the crystals that they feel fits and then dying them to give an added look. Emoto has said himself that this was art, not science.

So the whole thing is bullocks?

Ahem...

hmmm that guy who debunked it seemed full of doubt and expectations. Perhaps that effected the outcome.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

hmmm that guy who debunked it seemed full of doubt and expectations. Perhaps that effected the outcome.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that this stuff might not be real?

Why approach everything with disbelief? By not believing you potentially close your self off to new possibilities. By believing you potentially keep yourself open to new possibilities. In short, keep an open mind, prepared to be wrong, prepared to be right.

But if you choose the route of the absolute skeptic, you're just afraid to be wrong.

I am open and think this just needs looked into more.

Originally Posted by juroara

Why approach everything with disbelief? By not believing you potentially close your self off to new possibilities. By believing you potentially keep yourself open to new possibilities. In short, keep an open mind, prepared to be wrong, prepared to be right.

But if you choose the route of the absolute skeptic, you're just afraid to be wrong.

Bullshit. Not believing something without compelling evidence is not having a closed mind. Questioning what people say instead of willingly buying into anything is the only thing stopping our heads from being filled with myths and rubbish. Along your reasoning, we should believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and leprechauns, and unicorns, and every other incredulous magic phenomena simply because nobody has been able to prove it wrong. Submit to me substantial evidence for the existence of these things, and I will change my mind. But until you can give me a reason for believing these things, I have no reason whatsoever to take your claims seriously. This is not having a closed mind. This is being not gullible.

Well first off I said to be open minded. That has nothing to do with having faith in God or the FSM, so you're sorta missing the point and twisting what I said and making an argument when we don't need one.

Belief first and foremost comes from direct experience. You can't believe in love without first experiencing it. As for believing things you THINK you've never experienced, reach back deeper into your memories. You might have experienced something similar leaving you to be open to the possibility.

That's why arguing to and for is a waste of time. Experience instead.

Anyways, this thread is about the message of love and how love can potentially influence us directly. Are you open minded to that idea?

how about don't approach it with belief or disbelief. Just observe what is so. Be aware of possibilities. Don't make assumptions.

That is a very good thought. I know I said I was just going to watch but I think the fighting is over and you made a good comment so I thought I would chime in.

Originally Posted by juroara

Why approach everything with disbelief? By not believing you potentially close your self off to new possibilities. By believing you potentially keep yourself open to new possibilities. In short, keep an open mind, prepared to be wrong, prepared to be right.

But if you choose the route of the absolute skeptic, you're just afraid to be wrong.

Who says I approached this with disbelief? I learn crazy new things every day. This was the thought process that went through my mind after reading this thread:

"A video where pictures of ice crystals are labeled with words... OK... Is the person saying that each word is associated with the corresponding ice crystal? How do I know the person didn't just put a random picture of a crystal that suited the word he was using? How do words have any effect on chemistry, would this work if the person spoke in French? How does ice know who Hitler is? Does saying a negative word really mean you give of negative emotions? I can say "anger" without sounding angry..."

"OK this rice experiment, goes against all common sense and everything I've learned in biology, lets look it up. No proper explanation, all reputable sources discredit the "experiment"...

As you can see, the "facts" really come up short of being convincing... If I was afraid to be wrong, I would never make up my mind.

And another thing, you can never trust personal experience. The brain isn't perfect, and is well known for trying to associate events and create links that don't exist. One of the first things they tell pilots training to fly at night or in clouds is to trust your instruments and not your senses, because there have been many accidents were many people were killed because of illusions and tricks of the mind. These accidents still happen frequently because it's so very hard to ignore your senses when outside information conflicts with them, they just FEEL right, usually they're not.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

how about don't approach it with belief or disbelief. Just observe what is so. Be aware of possibilities. Don't make assumptions.

Do you know what you call a statement without any evidence to back it up? That's right, an assumption. You don't need evidence to deny the existence of something.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

And another thing, you can never trust personal experience.

All experience is personal. It doesn't matter if you're reading a scientific journal, your experience of the journal, and your understanding of the information being presented to you has been and always will be subjective.

Regardless of whether or not we live in an objective reality, you only ever experience reality subjectively. Why fight your subjective experience by not trusting it? Everyone needs to follow and listen to their own intuition. There is a science to intuition.

Speaking about love. . . . while Emoto hasn't bothered to take his research to the next step, at Heart Math Institute they take the science of the heart and love seriously. And much like Emoto, they have come to more or less the same conclusions. The Heart Math Institute believes we should aim to feel positive emotions, and that our positive emotions have a DIRECT effect on the world around us. In short laymans, their hypothesis is based on the EM field of the heart, the EM field of the brain, and the EM field of planet earth, and the relationships between the three. The earth's fields for example very much resemble our own brain waves (Schumann resonance). Our brain waves are then in turn influenced by the rhythms of our heart.

Global Coherence Initiative Project Videos

YouTube - Science of the Heart

http://www.glcoherence.org/templates...initiative.pdf

de-stress, stress survey, well-being, stress solutions, lower stress, stress management tools, Institute of HeartMath

Intuition Research, Energetics Research, Heart Brain Interactions, Science of Coherence, Institute of HeartMath

Spartiate: No one is going to believe you if you don't bring facts and proof that this is fake. If you can't conduct your own experiment and showing the evidence to us, I assume you just want people to use something "you" call common sense so you can feel better about yourself cause you "proved" someone wrong, each person chooses what is true or not, not you. Proving (with out facts) people wrong is totally EGO based.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

You don't need evidence to deny the existence of something.

does that make what you are saying is true????



Juroara: Emotions do affect water and other things. I used reiki on Fruit Juice and it taste better afterwards lol =)

I know. If you have one glass of water that you blessed compared to one that isn't. You will definatly taste and feel a difference between the two

Originally Posted by juroara

Getting the same results every time might be nearly impossible for several factors - including the emotions and intentions of the people involved in the experiment. (they would have to be the same every time, how can we guarantee love is always the same?)

Seems easy enough. Simply "expose" multiple "water crystals" to a single emotion from a single source at the same time. But we seem to be ignoring a more important question here. How exactly can we tell when and if the water has received the emotion? How is it conveyed? Obviously water and rice cannot hear you thanking them. How close must the water be? How could rice or water possibly receive emotions?

Originally Posted by juroara

But if you choose the route of the absolute skeptic, you're just afraid to be wrong.

I would suggest that people who oppose a skeptical mindset are afraid of being wrong. In that they're afraid that something they like to believe will be exposed to themselves as false by a "skeptic" where it would otherwise go unexamined by a less critically minded person.

Originally Posted by moongrass

I am open and think this just needs looked into more.

What specifically requires more examination?

Originally Posted by juroara

That's why arguing to and for is a waste of time. Experience instead.

It could be argued that arguments are a type of experience. It could also be argued that this post and specifically this statement represents a glaring hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

how about don't approach it with belief or disbelief. Just observe what is so. Be aware of possibilities. Don't make assumptions.

Good idea. And then after observing that with the proper controls in place that emotions do no affect rice, conclude that disbelief is the reasonable way to regard this.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

One of the first things they tell pilots training to fly at night or in clouds is to trust your instruments and not your senses, because there have been many accidents were many people were killed because of illusions and tricks of the mind. These accidents still happen frequently because it's so very hard to ignore your senses when outside information conflicts with them, they just FEEL right, usually they're not.

Obviously you've never seen Star Wars.

Originally Posted by juroara

Why fight your subjective experience by not trusting it?

Because, as Spart indicated, you might crash into a mountain.