Do you think Chakras have anything to do with the solar system?

I was meditating & this question occurred to me. Well, what do you think?




If anyone happens to not believe in chakras, no need to answer. (sorry if that sounds rude, but I don't want to debate anything as of right now :P)

That's a very interesting question indeed, I have wondered the same thing but I haven't found any answer really... except that there are like 7 chakras, 7 notes, 7 colors, 7 planets (if you use geocentrism), and then they each form an octave. What does this tell us? No idea :lol:

This question has been on my mind for a pretty long time and I haven't found an answer yet except that maybe each chakra corresponds with a note and a color and a planet.

Well , I think the universe is a giant fractal of the same energy stuff. I don't know what that energy stuff, or if scientists know, for all I know the electromagnetic spectrum is only a fractal of something even more primal (and larger).

Because chakras are a fractal of the EM spectrum, so they relate to sound, color, light, even geometry (which in a very weird way also relates back to sound, color and light)

But if we look at a famous fractal like the mandelbrot, one area of the mandelbrot landscape looks entirely different from another, even though its all the same fractal.

http://www.miqel.com/images_1/miqel_...ctal_pix_1.jpg

So even though we can see a fractal nature to the alignment of heavenly bodies (to the tiniest atom), it may or may not directly relate to chakras.

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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

7 notes, 7 colors

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Um, excuse me, but these two are continuous spectra. We've arbitrarily assigned 7 fence posts to each. According to what it says on Wikipedia, Newton actually started with 5, and then arbitrarily added two slices to his circle so he would match Aristotle's arbitrary claim about the number of fundamental colours. Of course, since you can create any colour by combining only 3 base colours to varying degrees of intensity, I'd say you only need three pieces of the continuous and infinite spectrum of visible light, which is just a tiny frequency range of a much broader thing. :)

Also, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, UrANUS... that's 8 :P Unless you're not counting Earth.

Don't worry, I'm not here to debate. I think it's an interesting mental model, and a great way to build "vastness and oneness" into your meditation.

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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

7 planets (if you use geocentrism)

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Originally Posted by Replicon

Um, excuse me, but these two are continuous spectra. We've arbitrarily assigned 7 fence posts to each. According to what it says on Wikipedia, Newton actually started with 5, and then arbitrarily added two slices to his circle so he would match Aristotle's arbitrary claim about the number of fundamental colours. Of course, since you can create any colour by combining only 3 base colours to varying degrees of intensity, I'd say you only need three pieces of the continuous and infinite spectrum of visible light, which is just a tiny frequency range of a much broader thing. :)

Also, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, UrANUS... that's 8 :P Unless you're not counting Earth.

Don't worry, I'm not here to debate. I think it's an interesting mental model, and a great way to build "vastness and oneness" into your meditation.

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I guess the number could indeed be arbirtrarily chosen, thanks for pointing that out. But the main point remains, dividing continuous spectra into sub-spectra leading to a fractal structure allows for a "vastness and oneness" as you would put it. But science is pretty much pointing towards the same thing, the electromagnetic spectrum can be fractally divided into pretty much all other energy. The whole concept of octaves and notes leading to a fractal structure is what I was having in mind, as this reoccurs everywhere in nature, even in the structure of the solar system.

Don't mean to be a downer, but I doubt that there's any correspondance between the chakras and the solar system. Chakras are a way of talking about regions within the body and by getting these in tune your body functions more effeciantly. They're not nearly as esoteric and strange as people make them out to be. They are a map through which you can become more aware of the inner workings of your body and live a more enjoyable and stress free life.

Simple answer is 'lol no'.

The solar system does not effect the human body unless direct contact is involved i.e. solar radiation or a meteorite hitting you on the head.

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Originally Posted by juroara

Well , I think the universe is a giant fractal of the same energy stuff. I don't know what that energy stuff, or if scientists know, for all I know the electromagnetic spectrum is only a fractal of something even more primal (and larger).

Because chakras are a fractal of the EM spectrum, so they relate to sound, color, light, even geometry (which in a very weird way also relates back to sound, color and light)

But if we look at a famous fractal like the mandelbrot, one area of the mandelbrot landscape looks entirely different from another, even though its all the same fractal.

http://www.miqel.com/images_1/miqel_...ctal_pix_1.jpg

So even though we can see a fractal nature to the alignment of heavenly bodies (to the tiniest atom), it may or may not directly relate to chakras.

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You won't believe how much I agree with this post.

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Originally Posted by undeadjellybean

You won't believe how much I agree with this post.

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Would you like a shiny nickel?

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Originally Posted by Spartiate

Would you like a shiny nickel?

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Would you like a shiny nickel?

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please.

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Seven colors might be arbitrary. But seven notes of a scale is based off of the sequence of harmonics inherent in any note taken as the tonic. In other words, if you take a vibrating acoustic object, say a guitar string, and lightly touch it without damping the whole vibration with your finger as you go up and down the string, you arrive at 7 distinct notes: Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti. And Do again is the octave, which is double the first do in frequency. The same happens with a column of air in a flute if you blow the fundamental tonic, then blow harder, you come up with the fifth, harder, then the octave, even harder, you come up with the third, etc. etc. until all seven notes are accounted for.

In sacred geometry 7 is attributed to vibrations and frequencies of sine waves. No other place in nature does seven manifest other than frequencies of vibration, be it light or sound. There is no seven sided crystal, for example. So seven chakras does have to do with light and sound, at least sympathetically. In the same way light has harmonics, and that is how the seven colors are come up with. Red and violet are either ends of the visible spectrum. We are not talking about mixing paint here, but harmonics of light wave vibration.

How this applies to the solar system I don't know. I am sure there are correspondences with the geocentric planets according to esoteric occult teachings, with the seven days of the week, the tarot, etc.. What this means to you is up to you. I don't think it is too important for me to think about now. The chakras have more to do with the five elements (the five states of matter). There being two chakras that are above the elements. Actually the seventh chakra on the crown is not a classical chakra per se, but a gateway.

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Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

In sacred geometry 7 is attributed to vibrations and frequencies of sine waves. No other place in nature does seven manifest other than frequencies of vibration, be it light or sound. There is no seven sided crystal, for example.

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Seven spot ladybird here, not amused.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/autumnwat...t-ladybird.jpg

Cool seven spotted ladybird beetle! Is it symmetrical?

Dannon from what I understood from your explanation, astrology uses sacred geometry to describe the solar system right?

Well, the ancient egyptian merkaba also uses sacred geometry to describe the chakra system.

So sacred geometry might be a relationship between chakras and the solar system. Any thoughts?

English might be a relationship between quantum field theory and the tele-tubbies.

Lol :lol:. I think I get your point. Good point. Yes of course english is a relationship, because the theory is in english, and tele-tubbies is in english. But is this relationship a meaningful one or is it related to this topic? I don't think so.

Is the relationship of sacred geometry a meaningful one? I don't know. That is what I'm asking. But I do believe it is very much related to the topic of chakras and the solar system.

English is a means of description. As such, it does not constitute a relationship between quantum field theory and the teletubbies. At best, one could say that some papers on QFT are written in English and that the teletubbies is originally written in English. However English is not necessary for QFT as one could very well develop the theory in, e.g., German and teletubbies can be translated to another language as well.

Is Sacred Geometry meant to be a means of description?

So you're arguing because sacred geometry is a means of description it does not constitute a valid relationship between chakras and the solar system? Ok good point. Nevertheless I think it's an interesting connection.

Taken from my email notifications. This is an interesting case study:

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Originally Posted by Chayba Version 1

No idea, that was pretty much the point of my original question. Is the relationship of sacred geometry a meaningful one? What do you think?

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I was really impressed with this following one.

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Originally Posted by Chayba Version 2

So you're arguing because sacred geometry is a means of description it does not constitue a reltionship between chakras and the solar system? Ok I think you made a good point there. Can't argue with that.

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Originally Posted by Chaybe Version 3

So you're arguing because sacred geometry is a means of description it does not constitute a relationship between chakras and the solar system? I get your point but to be honest I think this is just semantics.

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Originally Posted by Chayba Final?

So you're arguing because sacred geometry is a means of description it does not constitute a valid relationship between chakras and the solar system? Ok good point. Nevertheless I think it's an interesting connection.

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Lol. I couldn't make up my mind as I didn't fully understand your point at first. My apologies for changing my post.

So why is this an interesting case study? And why are you so impressed?

I'm curious about why you went from the third version to the last version? The third version pointed out a particular flaw with my argument and the last one says nothing.

OT: My argument is a little broad. Attempting to infer a relationship between two systems based on the ability to describe them both using a common means of description is possible. It's just that the more general the means of description, the weaker the inference. One still can't infer a causal relationship between them though which is what I think you're talking about.

From what I understand about Sacred Geometry, it's sorta supposed to describe everything. So there would not be much that you could infer from two systems both being described by it other than that they both could possibly exist.

Because I changed my mind and concluded that,you were indeed making a solid argument, sacred geometry does describe everything. But in particular, it describes the structure of the spin of things, as all things have a spin, so does it describe everything. And as the solar system is spinning, and chakras translate into "turning", there must be some connection here.



OT: You argue the more general the description the weaker the inference, but the solar system is a very general subject, and so are chakras, as they litterally translate into "turning" and are originally more about an abstract science on turning. I believe this ancient abstract science got degraded into the popular spirituality of today. Popular spirituality would claim that the goal of spirituality is to heal the body. While I claim spirituality is actually supposed to be an abstract science on the spinning nature of energy, and the healing of the body is nothing but a side-effect. As spirituality flows forth out of martial arts, it does not make sense to claim that the goal of spirituality is to heal the body. It would make more sense that the original goal of spirituality would be a theory on the nature of the spinning of energy as that is what body movement is all about; the rotation of the joints and the most efficient use of energy.
http://www.dreamviews.com/f96/spirit...cience-109261/

Interesting note, there is a scientist, Nassim Haramein, who proposed a unified scientific theory around the origin of the spin of things. Just as in sacred geometry, fractal geometry is also fundamental to Haramein's theory.
http://www.theresonanceproject.org/p...in_of_spin.pdf