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      What I'm saying is that you have something like karma, a kind of inertia that narrows your possibilities. I'm not doubting your personal experience or your personal, non physics interpretation of it, I'm saying that the 'many worlds' physics idea fails in that it has no provision for karma, currently.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      What I'm saying is that you have something like karma, a kind of inertia that narrows your possibilities. I'm not doubting your personal experience or your personal, non physics interpretation of it, I'm saying that the 'many worlds' physics idea fails in that it has no provision for karma, currently.
      Why isn't there a provision for karma?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      Why isn't there a provision for karma?
      In the current 'scientific' view, an infinite number of quantum 'choices' get made every instant, and they're all entirely random. So the path that you take has no theme or story to it, your 'song of destiny' is white noise. Its true that there would be an infinite number of random paths that seem to be telling a story. But for every one of those, there would be an infinite number where the story is gibberish. So the probability of taking a path where there are 'meaningful coincidences' and whatnot or any kind of discernible spiritual 'plan' would be identically zero. There are way, way too many branches for a random path to seem special on account of us reading a narrative into it, which is why I'm saying the typical sci-fi scenario misconstrues the physics idea. Maybe we have some way of 'entangling' ourselves with particular futures, which accounts for the appearance of a story of karma or personal will. But if so, that entanglement is vastly reducing the number of actual branches, which is my point, that something is intelligently pruning the possible outcomes. In other words, the overwhelming majority of speculative futures don't actually happen, all versions of ourselves are avoiding them somehow. Maybe this subconscious, semi-collective pruning reconciles the 'many worlds' idea with your and my experience. But in any case its far outside of the standard 'many worlds' idea. Also, even though the self-entanglement idea seems to make sense in a very vague way, it doesn't completely ring true for me, I don't feel much of 'eureka' when I get the idea. It seems more like my subconscious is saying "that's a tiny step of an idea, but not really it, keep looking".

      I hope that made a little more sense.

      As I indicated, my earlier post came across as more of a disagreement than I intended it. I was typing on my phone and had only about 10 minutes, so I didn't have time to try to wrestle with my delivery to make it seem less like that. There's probably been a real disagreement, or at least difference in understanding about the physics theory. But we may be mostly on the same page about what you were trying to say, and the other details I was concerned about might not be as important to you. "Parallel worlds" kinds of experiences have been a pretty big part of my life also.

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      I think the idea needs to be reconciled but that doesn't mean it's mutually exclusive. Let's look at what affects our reality. First, there's our choices, and second, there's the shape of our attitude. Shaping our attitude is also a choice, but for the purpose of keeping it in the context of my theory on RV and AP I'm creating a temporary duality between mental expressions and physical ones.

      The attitude you broadcast manifests circumstances and opportunities to justify itself, but the body must still make bigger choices like saying yes or no to a job offer and such. When the mind leaves the body for RV and AP, it can see all the little changes and random chances it has an affect over based on the shape of its broadcast, which is why technical details are so malleable. In fact, noticing these changes may be the key to understanding exactly how the mind can potentially affect reality. It cannot, however, see changes based on the choices of the physical body.

      This makes the reality we experience anything but random, but I still see all possibility and all time as existence. Existence/God is all of it, not just the reality we experience. Even if there is no physical manifestation of other potential realities... but that also doesn't ring completely true for me. I will say that your explanation isn't true, either, but it's not like I can safely explain how it works, either. I've only managed to see this vast infinite manifestation after a fat bong rip of DMT. I saw it as a cloud of everything, all time existing three dimensionally and me outside the three dimensional view of time able to perceive all possibility in all time. It's nothing like the "scifi scenario" and remains ineffable. In fact, I can barely fathom what I experienced or how it can be reconciled with the single possibility and one dimensional time that I experience.

      I can at least state that the possibility we experience is certainly not meaningless compared to the other potential realities. Our choices create it and choice remains significant to that effect. However, beyond that, I have no fucking clue.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      I think the idea needs to be reconciled but that doesn't mean it's mutually exclusive.
      Sure.

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      I saw it as a cloud of everything, all time existing three dimensionally and me outside the three dimensional view of time able to perceive all possibility in all time.
      Ouspensky has a 'new model of the universe' that has three dimensions of time. In his case, I'm pretty sure I understand what he's saying well enough to know that he doesn't know what he's talking about. In your case, I suspect that your 'three dimensional time' is a metaphor for or cross section of an experience that's even further outside of our conceptual reality. But to some extent I'm speculating.

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      It's nothing like the "scifi scenario" and remains ineffable.
      Everything is ineffable. The word cow means nothing except insofar as you have experienced what a cow is. But I think with a combination of clarifying description and mind reading we can do a lot better than nothing.

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      In fact, I can barely fathom what I experienced or how it can be reconciled with the single possibility and one dimensional time that I experience.
      One model I sometimes use, is 'one dimensional time' is a thread, and the thread moves in a larger context. This is a terribly limited way of looking at it, more limited than what you're describing in most ways, but it was sufficient to allow me to have the teleportation experience that I have mentioned.

      When I was about 17 I had a dream that has some similarities to your DMT experience I think. The relationships between things had a rich pattern that was represented geometrically. Seeing and feeling it made me very happy, but I could not retain the vision after I woke up. Of course I can sort of vaguely, implicitly experience it when I think of it again, which is part of the value of such experiences.

      My everyday experience is always vaguely a little bit 'outside of time', which I think is why weak premonitions and telepathetic experiences come so frequently. I've been sitting somewhat in the same spot with this for a few years now and am still not entirely sure what to do with it though.

      Unfortunately I don't have much time to think and talk about these things any more. I'll have to find another approach I guess.

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      Cool, so we both agree we have no idea what we're talking about or how to rationalize our experiences.
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      ^^ and, I imagine, no idea how to coherently rationalize the remote (and advance) viewing of lottery numbers?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ and, I imagine, no idea how to coherently rationalize the remote (and advance) viewing of lottery numbers?
      Actually, the question of viewing lottery numbers is more clear cut. We already know that its foolish on a number of levels.

      Tens of millions of people are psychically fighting over the lottery outcome, trying to win. If the outcome is fated, we won't see what the winning number is because fate isn't foiled that easily. If its not fated, we won't see it because its not determined. This is pretty much indisputable in my view.

      Also, I think the mentality of trying to win at such a game goes against what's required for success both in life and any serious spiritual undertaking. We've been over that before though.
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      Exactly, the belief you can Remote View the lottery is like trying to impose materialist causality and determinism upon an activity materialists presume impossible.
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      Are you good at remote viewing lottery numbers? I get a lot of visions which have all manifested but I'm currently trying to remote view the Euromillion lottery numbers and it's pretty hard. Would you be able to help me? I'd me more than happy to give you a share of my winnings if you could help.

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