Remote Viewing the Lottery

Why don't people use remote viewing to win the lottery?

The main reason is numbers. Every type of psychic will tell you that numbers are notoriously tough predict. The problem is, what are you supposed to see when you try to view a number? Numbers are concepts, not real things, and there's no concrete way you're supposed to visualize them.

You can get around this with remote viewing by assigning pictures to each possible numerical outcome and then using those pictures as the targets instead of the lottery numbers. Of course this entails remote into the future, but RVers aren't going to let something as insignificant as time get in the way. So after the numbers are drawn, the pictures that were assigned to the winning numbers are pulled from the pile of possible outcome pictures and placed aside as the targets. A team would then remote view what pictures are going be set aside as targets.

This is another large problem. With my local 6/49, I would need 6 stacks of 49 picture for a total of 294 pictures. I would then need to compare the descriptions of 6 RV targets against all these 294 pictures to try and determine which picture was being described by the team's descriptions. Given the often vague nature of remote viewing descriptions, this would be a very long and tedious process. Sure the rewards are great, but without a large crack team of remote viewers and an equally large and experienced analysis team, it's just not logistically feasible.

There are the smaller pick 3 lotteries, simpler with fewer numbers, but the payouts are so small they don't justify the effort involved to seriously remote view them.


A game that might work...

There is a new lottery here in my neck of the woods, a paper rock scissors game. The computer or whatever generates 14 RPS out comes in rounds, and you pick your RTS outcomes hoping to beat the computer.

The downside is that this game requires a whopping 14 targets. The upside is that each target only requires 3 pictures according to the method detailed above, for a total of 42. I could easily pick groups of 3 pictures that very distinct from one another, which would make matching them against the RV descriptions a very fast and efficient process. Each picture gets a point for every close description, and the one with the most is my winner.

The payout isn't great unless you get 13 to 14 of them right, but you get a free ticket with 6 right, and the websites lists the odds of that happening as one in six. Even a half assed remote viewing team should be able to get enough right to keep playing indefinitely.

A free Ticket!

I've come into the possession of a free promotional ticket for this RPS game, and rather than go with random picks, I want remote viewed results! Assuming I can get enough participants.

It's a nightly draw, so next Saturday I plan to purchase a ticked based on any remote viewing information provided to me in this thread. In the mean time I am going to select 14 sets of 3 images and assign them to each possible outcome, either rock paper or scissors, for every round. Since I plan to share what these images were with everyone after I make my predictions from the collected data, I will use digital images I find online. After the draw, and before the draw takes place I will print out the 14 images that correspond to the winning outcomes, along with their target numbers. I will provide these target numbers now, as your job as a participant would be to remote view the pictures I will assign these number to in the future.

I'd prefer people didn't post their RV sessions directly to the boards so as to avoid contamination, but I know that's too much to ask of a public forum. So just have at it. I know asking for 14 targets is a lot, so I'll take anything I can get. If you plan on participating, just remember reading the other RV sessions can contaminate your own.

I've used a random generator to generate the target numbers because random large numbers are devoid of any meaning without a context. The targets are not necessarily in the order of the RPS rounds. All you need to know is those numbers are linked to an image, other than that, the less you know the better. Try to use those target number when trying to RV them. Don't think of them as first target, second target, think of them each individually by their target number.

Target 82919
Target 46380
Target 16655
Target 66473
Target 20809
Target 72709
Target 21508
Target 90744
Target 62828
Target 18135
Target 84537
Target 25297
Target 46760
Target 14905

If the participation is there, I almost guarantee we get at least the free ticket to try again.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Why don't people use remote viewing to win the lottery?

The main reason is numbers. Every type of psychic will tell you that numbers are notoriously tough to predict. The problem is, what are you supposed to see when you try to view a number?

Numbers are concepts, not real things, so there's no concrete way to visualize them.

Hi Cusp

How may I help you win? I don’t want a cut. I just want to dream the winning numbers for the draw you pick.

Give me the details and I will set the intent to dream the winning numbers of the draw of your pick.

You can get around this with remote viewing by assigning pictures to each possible numerical outcome and then using those pictures as the targets instead of the lottery numbers. Of course this entails remote into the future, but RVers aren't going to let something as insignificant as time get in the way. So after the numbers are drawn, the pictures that were assigned to the winning numbers are pulled from the pile of possible outcome pictures and placed aside as the targets. A team would then remote view what pictures are going be set aside as targets.

This is another large problem. With my local 6/49, I would need 6 stacks of 49 picture for a total of 294 pictures. I would then need to compare the descriptions of 6 RV targets against all these 294 pictures to try and determine which picture was being described by the team's descriptions. Given the often vague nature of remote viewing descriptions, this would be a very long and tedious process. Sure the rewards are great, but without a large crack team of remote viewers and an equally large and experienced analysis team, it's just not logistically feasible.

There are the smaller pick 3 lotteries, simpler with fewer numbers, but the payouts are so small they don't justify the effort involved to seriously remote view them.


A game that might work...

There is a new lottery here in my neck of the woods, a paper rock scissors game. The computer or whatever generates 14 RPS out comes in rounds, and you pick your RTS outcomes hoping to beat the computer.

The downside is that this game requires a whopping 14 targets. The upside is that each target only requires 3 pictures according to the method detailed above, for a total of 42. I could easily pick groups of 3 pictures that very distinct from one another, which would make matching them against the RV descriptions a very fast and efficient process. Each picture gets a point for every close description, and the one with the most is my winner.

The payout isn't great unless you get 13 to 14 of them right, but you get a free ticket with 6 right, and the websites lists the odds of that happening as one in six. Even a half assed remote viewing team should be able to get enough right to keep playing indefinitely.

A free Ticket!

I've come into the possession of a free promotional ticket for this RPS game, and rather than go with random picks, I want remote viewed results! Assuming I can get enough participants.

It's a nightly draw, so next Saturday I plan to purchase a ticked based on any remote viewing information provided to me in this thread. In the mean time I am going to select 14 sets of 3 images and assign them to each possible outcome, either rock paper or scissors, for every round. Since I plan to share what these images were with everyone after I make my predictions from the collected data, I will use digital images I find online. After the draw, and before the draw takes place I will print out the 14 images that correspond to the winning outcomes, along with their target numbers. I will provide these target numbers now, as your job as a participant would be to remote view the pictures I will assign these number to in the future.

I'd prefer people didn't post their RV sessions directly to the boards so as to avoid contamination, but I know that's too much to ask of a public forum. So just have at it. I know asking for 14 targets is a lot, so I'll take anything I can get. If you plan on participating, just remember reading the other RV sessions can contaminate your own.

I've used a random generator to generate the target numbers because random large numbers are devoid of any meaning without a context. The targets are not necessarily in the order of the RPS rounds. All you need to know is those numbers are linked to an image, other than that, the less you know the better. Try to use those target number when trying to RV them. Don't think of them as first target, second target, think of them each individually by their target number.

Target 82919
Target 46380
Target 16655
Target 66473
Target 20809
Target 72709
Target 21508
Target 90744
Target 62828
Target 18135
Target 84537
Target 25297
Target 46760
Target 14905

If the participation is there, I almost guarantee we get at least the free ticket to try again.

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I hit "submit" and got the message to lengthen my reply hahha. I guess I need to but some thing under the quote. I thought the program was being intelligent and ironic, (hehehe). It will send now I guess.

Cusp

Once you pick a lottery and choose a futur draw-number for that lottery, post here in your thread.

Labyrint posted something very interesting in Waking Nomad's thread, (hacking hacking waking life). In post #86 of Waking Nomad's thread called "hacking hacking waking life" Labyrint posted this

***Waking Life***

All theory and no action

It is (1:59) and hss 4,093 views right now.

Me, (debraJane) would rather be the mad-old-man up the pole, (All action no theory).

So please give me a lottery and a draw-number to focuss on, Cusp, and let me hack Waking Life.

I will post my dreams here and we can deduce the winning numbers from my dreams.

What exactly is remote viewing? I found something on it here but I still don't think I understand. Is there some sort of tutorial anywhere?

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What exactly is remote viewing? I found something on it here but I still don't think I understand. Is there some sort of tutorial anywhere?

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First time I heard about it was on the Art Bell radio show in the mid 90's. They had some ex-government guy on there, Air Force if I recall correctly, talking about using it for military and intelligence work. They called it "technical" remote viewing, as if the word "technical" gives it the weight of authenticity. They talked about it for a few days, getting all excited about it, then unveiled his $500 instruction manual. The whole thing was a con job.

This is the weird thing to me about paranormal stuff. Its always a con job. I don't think I've ever read anything by a 'psychic' that didn't seem more slippery than an eel to me. And yet, its not 100% bullshit either. I guess "I'm psychic but its so badly controlled that I can't do anything useful with it" doesn't sell very well.

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First time I heard about it was on the Art Bell radio show in the mid 90's. They had some ex-government guy on there, Air Force if I recall correctly, talking about using it for military and intelligence work. They called it "technical" remote viewing, as if the word "technical" gives it the weight of authenticity. They talked about it for a few days, getting all excited about it, then unveiled his $500 instruction manual. The whole thing was a con job.

This is the weird thing to me about paranormal stuff. Its always a con job. I don't think I've ever read anything by a 'psychic' that didn't seem more slippery than an eel to me. And yet, its not 100% bullshit either. I guess "I'm psychic but its so badly controlled that I can't do anything useful with it" doesn't sell very well.

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That's true. But it does seem like a lot of people on DV swear by things like this. Either they're dilusional, blatantly lying or we just dismiss things like this, even if they may be true, based on plain disbelieve. I'm not sure where I stand on "astral projection," "remote viewing" and things of that nature. As cool as it would be if it were true, I can't wrap my mind around it.

I'm willing to participate in the remote viewing experiment, on condition that I understand what's going to happen to any winnings if it works.

How about this....Cusp, if you accept my participation, you agree to donate any winnings to help rural education in China, through a Chinese charity that I specify afterwards. Or propose something else that you like better, ahead of time, and I'll participate if I like it. If you have it in you to renege, my daemon will either sabotage the reading or torment you for what it determines is a fair length of time, not necessarily limited to your current life. :)

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Originally Posted by robroy

You may find the subject interesting.

Joe McMonegale wrote a book a few years back called Mind Trek.

It is his personal and military account of involvement with PSI and government spying. I had mentioned the book because in it Joe briefly talked about how he had done Lucid Dream experiment with Stephan LaBerge, author of Lucid Dreaming to see if Joe could remote view a target while in a lucid dream state. Joe did an excellent job.

What is remote viewing?

“Remote viewing (RV) is a skill by which a person (a "viewer") can perceive objects, persons, or events at a location removed from him or her by either space or time. In other words, one does not actually have to be there, nor does one need any so-called "physical" connections, such as television, telephone, etc., to gain information about the target.

Remote viewing exploits and improves upon what is more commonly called "psychic" ability (an overused word that has accrued unfortunate connotations), and works whether the target is in the next room or on the other side of the planet.

Neither time nor any known type of shielding can prevent a properly-trained remote viewer from gaining access to the desired target.”

What Remote Viewing is Not
“Remote viewing is not "being psychic" in the way commonly understood by the media and many practitioners of "paranormal" arts - though thanks to recent incomplete or inaccurate reports many have been led to believe otherwise. Remote viewers are not the typical "clairvoyants," "fortune tellers," or "psychics" we often hear about on TV or read about in the papers. Many of these more traditional psychics often do have amazing talents and abilities, but there is a qualitative difference between the average "natural" psychic, and a properly-trained remote viewer.”

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Above is the only post on the thread started at 11:17 am on 06/07/2007. Thead called Remote Viewing was started by RobRoy who joined Dreamviews in July 1007 and posted 46 times.

I too know a lot about Remote viewing and I have many DVDs by famouse military trained Remote Viewers.

Please check-out post 16 on this Dreamviews thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/powerf...3/#post1764923

I posted it on the pdc from saltcube and was bliwn away when the photos appeared. Then I immediately posted it to my thread here at dreamviews and the pictures appeared here too.

Now thanks to Nick Newport's saltcube I can post pictures here.

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Cusp

Once you pick a lottery and choose a futur draw-number for that lottery, post here in your thread.

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I've already picked it. It's this lottery:
OLG - ROCK·PAPER·SCISSORS

I'm hoping to purchase a ticket this coming saturday if I can get anyone to participate. Only problem is it requires 14 targets, which I have posted in the opening post.

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Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I'm willing to participate in the remote viewing experiment, on condition that I understand what's going to happen to any winnings if it works.

How about this....Cusp, if you accept my participation, you agree to donate any winnings to help rural education in China, through a Chinese charity that I specify afterwards. Or propose something else that you like better, ahead of time, and I'll participate if I like it. If you have it in you to renege, my daemon will either sabotage the reading or torment you for what it determines is a fair length of time, not necessarily limited to your current life. :)

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I was anticipating this. Look, only the top two prizes are of any significance. If I win one of those, I'll donate half to charity. But prizes smaller than that are going towards getting my wisdom teeth pulled.

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I was anticipating this. Look, only the top two prizes are of any significance. If I win one of those, I'll donate half to charity. But prizes smaller than that are going towards getting my wisdom teeth pulled.

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It seems kind of funny to me to ask people to help win a lottery pick while consciously not saying anything about where the winnings will go, and intending to not share the winnings with the other people who helped with the pick.

No motivation there for me. Good luck though!

Lol, I wasn't expecting to hit the jackpot. The real prize for me was demonstrating that remote viewing could be used for something practical. You're counting your chickens before they're hatched. Honestly, the best I expected to do with this was win a free ticket. If I win 15 dollars, I promise I'll distribute it equally among all those who participated.

In my experience, one's motive during any kind of viewing is crucial to the outcome. Since there is gain/loss involved with this experiment, it will succeed only if your aim is in harmony with what collectively determines the outcome, and that includes what you plan to do with the money. If demonstration is part of your motive, but not so big of a part that you're willing to commit to giving up the earnings, then the other part of the motive is big enough to be crucial also.

In an earlier discussion, you argued that I can have no remote influence over things apart from controlling where I put my attention, or something to that effect. If you regard motive as mostly irrelevant, and I experience it as being the key thing, maybe that accounts for a big part of the difference in our experiences.

There's no point in even doing an experiment if you don't think there's a chance for a positive outcome. If it doesn't matter what is done with the money on account of winning being unlikely, then the 'likely' outcome is what you're probably going to get. If you want the 'unlikely' result, you have to proceed as if its at least possible. And your thought of keeping half of a large winning for yourself, without thinking of splitting that portion with the rest of us, doesn't seem to be consistent with not caring about the issue.

In any case, there's nothing I can do to help, so good luck with everyone else.

Jesus Christ! Probably for the best you're not participating. You can't even focus on the task at hand without getting distracted by stuff as trivial as my motivations, so I don't see how you're going to manage to focus for remote viewing.

I fully expect this to be successful enough to keep winning indefinite free tickets, but due the the constraints of running a project like this in a public forum, I'm forced to disregard a lot of the proper RV protocol which makes getting all 14 rounds right improbable.

Hi cusp

It looks like there are no numbers. I only see R's and P's and S's (???)

Hi cusp

It looks like there are no numbers. I only see R's and P's and S's (???)

Mmmmmmmm that sounds interesting. May be I only need to look for three elements in the dream. And if more than one ellement turns up then note the order the turn-up, (or something).

Thank you for offering me an easy dream focus Cusp.

I dont want a cut of any winnings because that will only distract me. I just want the light, fun and friendly game to play. And I luv the feeling of beeing a part of a social thing. So.you guys can argue away and entertain me and the lurkers, (hehehe).

Cusp

What do you think about picking a draw number? Maybe one that gives me time to have 14 dreams.

I know a little bit about rv but I've never practiced it however I have sought out lottery numbers in the past through astral projecting and I'm very pleased with my results. Nothing definitive but very promising. First time I saw lottery numbers was with in a void of nothing I knew what was happening and simply said "mega millions now" A hyper vivid gold slot machine appeared with all six numbers with the mega ball number highlighted. I had no system to help me remember all six. The second time I was standing in my kitchen asking for numbers waiting for something to happen but nothing did.So Even though I don't read newspapers much I got a urge to start looking for one around my kitchen with in seconds there was one sitting on my kitchen counter top. I flipped a few pages and there they were 6 numbers. I did have a system at the time but wasn't sure what lottery I was looking at powerball or mega millions. So i just bought back three numbers. When I checked the numbers on the day of the next draw two numbers that I saw during ap showed up in the powerball and the other number showed up in the mega millions.

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I know a little bit about rv but I've never practiced it

however I have sought out lottery numbers in the past through astral projecting and I'm very pleased with my results. Nothing definitive but very promising.

First time I saw lottery numbers was with in a void of nothing I knew what was happening and simply said "mega millions now" A hyper vivid gold slot machine appeared with all six numbers with the mega ball number highlighted.

I had no system to help me remember all six.

The second time I was standing in my kitchen asking for numbers waiting for something to happen but nothing did.

So Even though I don't read newspapers much I got a urge to start looking for one around my kitchen with in seconds there was one sitting on my kitchen counter top. I flipped a few pages and there they were 6 numbers.

I did have a system at the time but wasn't sure what lottery I was looking at powerball or mega millions. So i just bought back three numbers.

When I checked the numbers on the day of the next draw two numbers that I saw during ap showed up in the powerball and the other number showed up in the mega millions.

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Thank you for that DreamCatcher81

That's why I need a draw number to make clear to the Matrix what I want to zero-in on

hey

an example of a short, simple chant to say or sing as I drop-off to sleep is:

This sleep, I dream the winning numbers for the Saturday cross lotto 19382233 draw.

Or

I dream the winning numbers for the 800000 Keno draw

Please Cusp, or anyone in America who understands the OLG rock paper scissors game, (we don’t have the likes in Australia) could you make a simple chant for me to say as I drop-of the sleep.

Pick a draw at least 14 nights, (or more) from tonight.

Because I may need 14 different dreams to get the 14 thingies.

I love Labyrint’s post 86

on Waking Nomad’s thread call “Hacking, hacking the *Waking Life*”

I feel like the “mad-old-man up the pole” all action no talk, (theory).

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/...8378761994.jpg

(picture taken at the 1:33 point of the 1:59 YouTube clip called *Waking Life* all theory no action.

Please Cusp, or anyone in America who understands the OLG rock paper scissors game, (we don’t have the likes in Australia) could you make a simple chant for me to say as I drop-of the sleep.

Pick a draw at least 14 nights, (or more) from tonight.

Because I may need 14 different dreams to get the 14 thingies.

Sorry Debrajane, but I don't think dreaming will work for this project. It's gotta be classic Remote Viewing. Dreaming will just take too long with that many targets. Plus it doesn't look like I can get anyone to participate anyways. Guess I'll try to gather a team of locals through kijiji or something, that way everyone can buy their own ticket.

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Sorry Debrajane, but I don't think dreaming will work for this project.

It's gotta be classic Remote Viewing.

Dreaming will just take too long with that many targets.

Plus it doesn't look like I can get anyone to participate anyways.

Guess I'll try to gather a team of locals through kijiji or something,

that way everyone can buy their own ticket.

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Bummer

Whats kijiji?

It was a good idea, Cusp. We, (you) could have rolled it on at one game every two weeks. Even if I was the only one playing, it would have been fun.

No need even to buy a ticket.

Best even if no one bought a ticket.

With the distraction of greed out of the way maybe we would hit and hit and hit so that the Matrix could prove its inteligent and unique existance to this dark and lonely world.

I have something I would like to share with you all I have been working on sense 2007. I figured a way that would work but I seem to have a problem picking up Remote Viewing myself. I been having a hard time learning Remote Viewing so I figured it would just be best to share this with you all... If it works and someone could to help me I have no problem with donations of your choice. As a matter of fact its just money and a lot of it would just go to helping others that could need it more. Would be a great thing to do from a lotto winning. If anyone is interest please feel free to hit me back. The lotto site is free. Freelotto.com and you can have the daily results e-mailed to you daily witch gose apart of Remote Viewing the result numbers. Very good plan and I'm more then sure it will work :)

After this I still plane on learning remote viewing. Think of all the things you can do to help others with remote viewing. Its a great tool for people to learn.
Cheers :)

I've met a lot of people with different strategies their working on toward lotteries like powerball. One of my friends is trying to train people's intuition using past powerball results and hypnotic suggestion. It seems pretty cool, but then he gets fucked with. For example his wife managed to hit one number above or below all six numbers. Kind of a cosmic practical joke, one might say, or perhaps it reveals something I was trying to wrap my head around back when I was doing AP experiments.

My theory on why the world I saw while APing was often slightly different in technical details from the world I saw through my eyes has to do with alternate dimensions. I've heard it said we often accidentally enter alternate dimensions a lot more often than we think, where choices were made in a slightly different way and the butterfly effect has resulted in varying realities.

There's a piece of dialogue from Community that helps render this concept. Jeff attempts to roll a die in order to see who has to go get pizza, and Abed warns him he's creating six different timelines through this action. I think the lottery works the same way, every single possible result creates an alternate dimension but we only perceive one of them. I think when remote viewing and astral projecting, the fabric is a little softer between these various timelines so the technical details get a little screwy. There are some things remote viewing can help you see, like the location of kidnapped children, because very few chances and choices would alter such a detail, but when a lot of variables can change things then you're far less likely to see the timeline you experience with your physical body. Just my theory.

Since there's nothing in physics theory that says why one quantum mechanical outcome is observed rather than another, it is commonly assumed by scientists that there is no 'why'. So one assumption is that all outcomes occur, and the the outcome is 'random'. In both cases, the thought is that since it's not determined in the model, it must not be determined at all. But this is a conceited way of looking at the models, that conflated them too much with reality in my view.

One limitation of almost all science fiction parallel worlds scenarios, with 'timelines', is they don't capture anything like the rate of world creation that the 'many worlds' assumption implies. It would be less like a branching tree, and more like a never ending explosion. It doesn't seem to me to fit with our spiritual experience though. Our identity is not continually exploding like a new universe. Most of those quantum mechanical parallel worlds don't exist. Just because 20th century science doesn't entirely nail down why the world is the way it is doesn't imply that everything not ruled out is real. And there are different kinds of real. If a result can be pulled psychically from an alternative reality, it doesn't imply it's real in the same sense ours is.

Sorry for short tone, and for complicating where you mean to simplify. I'm out of time.

You say it doesn't fit with our spiritual experience, but it is my spiritual experience where I first drew this conception, not from quantum theory. We filter our perception into one experience, one possibility one moment at a time, but the universe is infinite potential, all time and possibility. As we travel from our bodies through RV or AP, we retain our physical bodies as an anchor but are able to travel through the three dimensions of space. And I push we are also traveling through the dimensions of possibility, or of mind, or something, but our body remains in the experience of one, singular possibility, and somewhat anchors us so we don't range too far from the possibility and only perceive detail changes that orbit around the possibility our body experiences. When you say it works like an explosion rather than a branch, you're basically implying three dimensions of time instead of just two. This doesn't seem to oppose my spiritual experience at all.

What I'm saying is that you have something like karma, a kind of inertia that narrows your possibilities. I'm not doubting your personal experience or your personal, non physics interpretation of it, I'm saying that the 'many worlds' physics idea fails in that it has no provision for karma, currently.

"We're all theory and no action. He is all action and no theory".

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What I'm saying is that you have something like karma, a kind of inertia that narrows your possibilities. I'm not doubting your personal experience or your personal, non physics interpretation of it, I'm saying that the 'many worlds' physics idea fails in that it has no provision for karma, currently.

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Why isn't there a provision for karma?

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Why isn't there a provision for karma?

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In the current 'scientific' view, an infinite number of quantum 'choices' get made every instant, and they're all entirely random. So the path that you take has no theme or story to it, your 'song of destiny' is white noise. Its true that there would be an infinite number of random paths that seem to be telling a story. But for every one of those, there would be an infinite number where the story is gibberish. So the probability of taking a path where there are 'meaningful coincidences' and whatnot or any kind of discernible spiritual 'plan' would be identically zero. There are way, way too many branches for a random path to seem special on account of us reading a narrative into it, which is why I'm saying the typical sci-fi scenario misconstrues the physics idea. Maybe we have some way of 'entangling' ourselves with particular futures, which accounts for the appearance of a story of karma or personal will. But if so, that entanglement is vastly reducing the number of actual branches, which is my point, that something is intelligently pruning the possible outcomes. In other words, the overwhelming majority of speculative futures don't actually happen, all versions of ourselves are avoiding them somehow. Maybe this subconscious, semi-collective pruning reconciles the 'many worlds' idea with your and my experience. But in any case its far outside of the standard 'many worlds' idea. Also, even though the self-entanglement idea seems to make sense in a very vague way, it doesn't completely ring true for me, I don't feel much of 'eureka' when I get the idea. It seems more like my subconscious is saying "that's a tiny step of an idea, but not really it, keep looking".

I hope that made a little more sense.

As I indicated, my earlier post came across as more of a disagreement than I intended it. I was typing on my phone and had only about 10 minutes, so I didn't have time to try to wrestle with my delivery to make it seem less like that. There's probably been a real disagreement, or at least difference in understanding about the physics theory. But we may be mostly on the same page about what you were trying to say, and the other details I was concerned about might not be as important to you. "Parallel worlds" kinds of experiences have been a pretty big part of my life also.

I think the idea needs to be reconciled but that doesn't mean it's mutually exclusive. Let's look at what affects our reality. First, there's our choices, and second, there's the shape of our attitude. Shaping our attitude is also a choice, but for the purpose of keeping it in the context of my theory on RV and AP I'm creating a temporary duality between mental expressions and physical ones.

The attitude you broadcast manifests circumstances and opportunities to justify itself, but the body must still make bigger choices like saying yes or no to a job offer and such. When the mind leaves the body for RV and AP, it can see all the little changes and random chances it has an affect over based on the shape of its broadcast, which is why technical details are so malleable. In fact, noticing these changes may be the key to understanding exactly how the mind can potentially affect reality. It cannot, however, see changes based on the choices of the physical body.

This makes the reality we experience anything but random, but I still see all possibility and all time as existence. Existence/God is all of it, not just the reality we experience. Even if there is no physical manifestation of other potential realities... but that also doesn't ring completely true for me. I will say that your explanation isn't true, either, but it's not like I can safely explain how it works, either. I've only managed to see this vast infinite manifestation after a fat bong rip of DMT. I saw it as a cloud of everything, all time existing three dimensionally and me outside the three dimensional view of time able to perceive all possibility in all time. It's nothing like the "scifi scenario" and remains ineffable. In fact, I can barely fathom what I experienced or how it can be reconciled with the single possibility and one dimensional time that I experience.

I can at least state that the possibility we experience is certainly not meaningless compared to the other potential realities. Our choices create it and choice remains significant to that effect. However, beyond that, I have no fucking clue.

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I think the idea needs to be reconciled but that doesn't mean it's mutually exclusive.

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I saw it as a cloud of everything, all time existing three dimensionally and me outside the three dimensional view of time able to perceive all possibility in all time.

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Ouspensky has a 'new model of the universe' that has three dimensions of time. In his case, I'm pretty sure I understand what he's saying well enough to know that he doesn't know what he's talking about. In your case, I suspect that your 'three dimensional time' is a metaphor for or cross section of an experience that's even further outside of our conceptual reality. But to some extent I'm speculating.

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It's nothing like the "scifi scenario" and remains ineffable.

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Everything is ineffable. The word cow means nothing except insofar as you have experienced what a cow is. But I think with a combination of clarifying description and mind reading we can do a lot better than nothing.

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In fact, I can barely fathom what I experienced or how it can be reconciled with the single possibility and one dimensional time that I experience.

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One model I sometimes use, is 'one dimensional time' is a thread, and the thread moves in a larger context. This is a terribly limited way of looking at it, more limited than what you're describing in most ways, but it was sufficient to allow me to have the teleportation experience that I have mentioned.

When I was about 17 I had a dream that has some similarities to your DMT experience I think. The relationships between things had a rich pattern that was represented geometrically. Seeing and feeling it made me very happy, but I could not retain the vision after I woke up. Of course I can sort of vaguely, implicitly experience it when I think of it again, which is part of the value of such experiences.

My everyday experience is always vaguely a little bit 'outside of time', which I think is why weak premonitions and telepathetic experiences come so frequently. I've been sitting somewhat in the same spot with this for a few years now and am still not entirely sure what to do with it though.

Unfortunately I don't have much time to think and talk about these things any more. I'll have to find another approach I guess.

Cool, so we both agree we have no idea what we're talking about or how to rationalize our experiences.

^^ and, I imagine, no idea how to coherently rationalize the remote (and advance) viewing of lottery numbers?

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^^ and, I imagine, no idea how to coherently rationalize the remote (and advance) viewing of lottery numbers?

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Actually, the question of viewing lottery numbers is more clear cut. We already know that its foolish on a number of levels.

Tens of millions of people are psychically fighting over the lottery outcome, trying to win. If the outcome is fated, we won't see what the winning number is because fate isn't foiled that easily. If its not fated, we won't see it because its not determined. This is pretty much indisputable in my view.

Also, I think the mentality of trying to win at such a game goes against what's required for success both in life and any serious spiritual undertaking. We've been over that before though.

Exactly, the belief you can Remote View the lottery is like trying to impose materialist causality and determinism upon an activity materialists presume impossible.

Are you good at remote viewing lottery numbers? I get a lot of visions which have all manifested but I'm currently trying to remote view the Euromillion lottery numbers and it's pretty hard. Would you be able to help me? I'd me more than happy to give you a share of my winnings if you could help.

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