Thread: Telekinesis

Originally Posted by 123north123

That video doesn't prove anything.

A true scientist is skeptical but open to possibilities. People that reject new ideas because they don't fit into their picture of the universe are a hindrance to progress.

What the hell is your point?

There is no need to be upset.

Maybe if you hadn't just flat out ignored the last post I wrote to you, you'd understand better?

I didn't flat out ignore your post. It doesn't make sense.

We're talking about this one here which you didn't respond to at all:

Post.

What did you find nonsensical about it?

Oh I am sorry my point with the video wasn't to show that telekinesis is impossible, just to prevent you from getting over excited, like I did in my early years of trying this. X. x I believe in some, to the general public, crazy things as well. Telekinesis is just impossible for me to accept since I have no own experience of it.
But I wish you good luck in your search.

Originally Posted by Xei

Regardless of whether there's a cash prize or not - you'd think most of these spiritual types would feel some kind of obligation to spread their wisdom as far as possible. Providing good empirical evidence is the only way to do this, so they should be eager to do so.


Have you any idea how clichéd this is?

A true scientist doesn't have a positive belief in something for which there is no reliable experimental evidence.

There's a big difference between denying something as ever being possible, and simply not believing it's true. Stop conflating the two; if you're not doing it on purpose then that's some really sloppy thinking. It's perfectly plausible that there is a teapot orbiting the sun, too - it's not logically impossible. That still makes you nuts to give any credence to somebody who does claim that there is a teapot orbiting the sun without providing any good evidence that would suggest it.

People don't actively try to share their wisdom probably because it's not worth it-- too much work. What is there to gain from doing so? Many are unwillling to listen.

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Oh I am sorry my point with the video wasn't to show that telekinesis is impossible, just to prevent you from getting over excited, like I did in my early years of trying this. X. x I believe in some, to the general public, crazy things as well. Telekinesis is just impossible for me to accept since I have no own experience of it.
But I wish you good luck in your search.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Marvo

You really don't get it, do you? Xei and I will accept your claims of the supernatural with open arms, if you can actually bring about a shred of evidence

Sigh. No one, I repeat, no one cares about you two. No one wants to prove it's existence to you, and no, no one will give money for anyone who performs telekinesis, as that's the only thing you were able to repeatedly write Marvo. And because you weren't able to perform it when you were younger, bah... big deal, so parkour and freerunning does not exists because currently I can not do a backflip from a wall?... You know learning and spending time with it helps, and it's true for every single thing you want to learn. The more you practise, the better you will be.

As this post was only about arguing with you guys, let's change the topic to it's name, you are allowed to leave now.

My experiences are that it's easier if I use my hand instead of using only my mind, and meditation before it helps me as well. However, the strange thing is that I guess it's supposed to have more success when you do it alone, when there is noone around, yet I managed to move it further in our class than at home. Also I can feel that I'm running out of energy while trying to perform it, and afterwards I need a while to regain it. Any tips how to, well, have more energy? For quick restoring there's standing meditation, works for me (same as meditation, but you just stand with closed eyes concentrating), but how to have more at once?

Why are you so upset about people not believing in something there's no evidence for? It's a pretty benign position?

Originally Posted by 123north123

People don't actively try to share their wisdom probably because it's not worth it-- too much work. What is there to gain from doing so? Many are unwillling to listen.

Firstly, the answer to your question is already in the post. They gain the spreading of their wisdom, to people who previously had no reason to believe it. Sure, some will refuse to listen, but in the modern post-enlightenment era many people will acknowledge the truth of something if you can reliably demonstrate it. Don't most spiritual people feel an obligation to teach?

Secondly... that wasn't actually relevant to my response to you. I'm guessing you're new to forums: my response to you can be found underneath where I quoted you.

I have dabbled in Telekinesis in my past. It isn't as wacky as it sounds. It is possible for the same reasons tai chi and similar practices are possible. Tai Chi is the practice of channeling your bodies energy to specific parts of your body, whether it be heat, electricity, etc. When projected from your hands you can use it to interact with objects. Hence people who can light up light bulbs with there hands or people who can melt cups wither there hands. All forms of Chi, Ether, and Telekinesis are based on the same principle; the body produces a special energy. Chi masters can channel there chi into a punch or palm strike. Even though there muscles are weak and they are very old, their chi makes them able to smash bricks, hammer nails with their hands, and break bones.

Also, I'm pretty sure sciences supports the theory that the body can produce this energy. I believe it comes from somewhere around the diaphragm.

Originally Posted by Pakman43

Also, I'm pretty sure sciences supports the theory that the body can produce this energy. I believe it comes from somewhere around the diaphragm.

Nah man, I read somewhere that this was debunked.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Nah man, I read somewhere that this was debunked.

What a reputable criticism.

Lol, I read somewhere....

If you strain your braincells a little bit, you will see that my post was a criticism of exactly that method of argumentation. Pakman presented no proof, he simply said that he was "pretty sure sciences supports the theory that the body can produce this energy.", the energy in question being some magical unseen force. I would absolutely LOVE to see a paper on this energy, and if science supports it, then there certainly will be a paper.

If your arguments are not going to go beyond "I've seen/read/heard/felt some shit", then I don't see why my criticism or skepticism should go beyond "No you haven't".

Marvo, I thought you were being sarcastic, It really made me laugh, because I see lots of posts here where people claim things in arguments without providing any source or proof.

Originally Posted by Marvo

If you strain your braincells a little bit, you will see that my post was a criticism of exactly that method of argumentation. Pakman presented no proof, he simply said that he was "pretty sure sciences supports the theory that the body can produce this energy.", the energy in question being some magical unseen force. I would absolutely LOVE to see a paper on this energy, and if science supports it, then there certainly will be a paper.

If your arguments are not going to go beyond "I've seen/read/heard/felt some shit", then I don't see why my criticism or skepticism should go beyond "No you haven't".

I was commending you on your all around fantastic contribution to this thread.

The body obviously creates energy, how else does it move?

Chi Energy Amazing Footage - YouTube I know this isnt proof but it's interesting.

If telekinesis even had a slight chance of existing, it would have been discovered and harnessed by corporations already. The military would use it for new types of weaponry, it would be used in factories to increase productivity and would pretty much be part of our daily lives. Not to mention the fact that some people would have discovered it on their own and proven their powers in a public place. Don't believe everything you read.

Originally Posted by Pakman43

Chi Energy Amazing Footage - YouTube I know this isnt proof but it's interesting.

Does science recognise this video? You said science supported it.

edit: watched it. There's only one interesting thing in this video, and that's when he's treating the little child. Of course, his back seems a little mistreated, as if he's suffering some a sun scolding, and that could very well explain the screaming. But I doubt you can get some seemingly random little kid off the street to scream like that on command.

edit2: the best part of this video is the comments. People are saying it isn't real, but rather he's utilizing the powers of ghosts and spirits to do his tricks. Of course.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

What a reputable criticism.

Oh come on OP, are you seriously this slow on the uptake or are you just trolling now..?

Now...?

I've already said everything I'm concerned to say. Based on the experiences I assume you've had, your opinion is perfectly valid and I would have the same opinion in your shoes. I have no means of convincing you otherwise, nor the interest. If I could explain how qi worked, I would. It's not like I'm disinterested in understanding the science of it and sharing these revelations with the world. It simply remains ineffable at the moment, for me at least.

I'm just a little disappointed, but I don't know why. If everyone were as open minded as I try to force you to be the world wouldn't be so interesting a place.

I wasn't talking anything to do with that, I was just talking about that specific instance of completely missing Marvo's point. It's called irony; did you seriously not understand it or were you just trolling?