You're assuming your conclusion. My question is: why do these supposed accounts of supernatural/paranormal activity never seem to hold up to rigorous testing? |
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The mindset of people today it seems is that our world is just a complete luck of the straw and we live, reproduce, and die with nothing but a black abyss absent of thought. |
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You're assuming your conclusion. My question is: why do these supposed accounts of supernatural/paranormal activity never seem to hold up to rigorous testing? |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
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I did not quite clearly make my point as well as I wanted to, I have trouble with that because of my aspergers. |
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You're still assuming that these encounters and phenomena are true; you don't know if people are keeping things a secret or are actually experiencing these things or have powers, you are just assuming they do. It's not that people feel like keeping these experiences a secret or simply have no desire to demonstrate their abilities in rigorous scientific tests that could prove they are truly capable of doing these things, it's that any time they have, there have been no confirmed legitimate cases of people possessing these powers. The fact that there are those who do not wish to prove themselves in a controlled setting for totally bogus reasons doesn't really help things either. |
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Yes i am leaning towards the truth of these phenomena, I don't know any better |
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One's first taste of religious disillusionment is not a good one. Typically, the trap-door feeling of this disillusionment causes an immediate, reactionary outlook on all data subsequently gathered. Once you realize Santa isn't real, you're likely to stifle your own imagination because at least then you can count on a morsel of stability. Creativity is fine, but if you invest meaning in things that are not true, you are likely to feel that same, horrifying, trap-door feeling when these illusions are ultimately proven false. Hence why those who cannot find comfort living in the unknown cling to a dichotomy that stifles exploration and creativity. These individuals needs to feel as though they've comprehended truth, and when this comprehension is challenged by the infinite, they feel unsafe. What they fail to realize is that they can never believe hard enough as to make something true, or disbelieve hard enough as to make something false, the imagination cannot impose truth upon itself. It remains belief, and to mistake belief for truth is to lie to one's self, and therefor subject the self to suffering. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
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My question is just why you would err on the side of quantity over quality? A lot of, if not most of, supernatural phenomena are pretty much greedy people who want money and decide to exploit human nature. I won't out right say the supernatural is impossible, but hearing and seeing anecdotal evidence that never amounts to anything does nothing for me. |
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I keep an open mind but with a healthy amount of skepticism. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. As was already said, the quantity of claims does not equate to legitimacy. |
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You're right the amount of claims these days mean nothing, some people don't even want to do it for money, I remember seeing something about two men who had been creating crop circles for decades and didn't really give a straight reason why they did. |
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The Battle of Los Angeles isn't even on my list as potentially credible. It's somewhere way below (near the bottom?) the very small percentage of sightings that can't be explained. Most likely misidentification followed by panic and/or hysteria considering the times and what happened at Pearl Harbor, combined with fear of either a bombing or invasion by Japan. |
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Unfortunately the human brain can be very easily tricked because of how conditioned our minds are, magician's love exploiting it. There are those that are so captivated and want to believe it so bad, like if we focus on something for a long period of time it becomes more real to us and we tend to discredit what else we see or read if it doesn't fit with what our current experience is showing us. Problem I see is there is always a lacking of meaningful evidence, it's such a predominant trend. |
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The average "supernatural" experience goes undocumented. There was no way to rigorously test it. Which is why we are left with stories. But if you have respect for you fellow human being you would at least open up your mind and listen. |
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That's a good point juroara, I think our conversation was pointing more to the dazzling and amazing in the physical, like UFO's, extraterrestrial abduction, sighting's of big foot strolling through the forest and the dead coming back turning on lights and moving chairs around rather than the more subtle unexplained psychic phenomenon. Because there are so many scammers and people around clamming a lot, some making lots of money like david wilcock. Have read about many of those psychic phenomenon studies and they seem strange and unreal how it can be possible. We all seem to have a small ability some people just have the perfect make up and others seem to have acquired it or opened up to it. |
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What do you think would happen if one day someone caught Bigfoot or 'the rake' or something like that and it was released to the public. |
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I can only speak for myself if that actually happened, I would be RCing so often that I'm sure they would lock me up in a psych ward. |
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