Thread: Communication between the conscious and subconscious mind in plain english.

I try to do this a lot... but as with lucid dreaming, I'm not that successful all the time.
I'm usually the most successful right before I fall asleep as I'm drifting off...

btw, is this different then a spirit guide, or are they the same idea? (just one thought poses the guide as being another soul, while this thought would put it as it being your own soul/subconscious)?

This is really interesting stuff, and I'll for sure play with it. I've read about it both from the more pragmatic "subconscious mind" point of view, as well as from a more spiritual "higher self", Huna style point of view.

I have a question that someone here will hopefully be able to answer. It's kind of a contradiction resolution kind of deal.

On the one hand, you've got this "inner voice" that just knows so much and know what's best, and helps you out.

On the other hand, you've got the fact that most of what holds you back in life... bad habits, etc... are subconscious. I mean, think about it. If shyness were conscious, wouldn't you just consciously turn it off, since you KNOW it's irrational to think it's useful to be shy in most social situations. Procrastination (i.e. not getting to doing stuff you need to get done) is also fueled by your subconscious. I mean, you totally have to will yourself HARD to do stuff you're procrastinating on, no matter what.

How do these things resolve? When you speak with your subconscious like that, does it get filtered through all your bad habits, or does it allow you to transcend them somehow? Cause if I'm gonna do this, then I want to break down some barriers while I'm at it.

shyness isn't a habit, it's a a feeling of fear. To have access to the subconscious ( inner child ) your mind has to be calm. Most peoples mind today are FAR from calm...even if they think otherwise.

Did you know the reason people are near-sighted are like that because of stress/strain of the eyes ( we're used to looking at things close, like the ground, constant television, computer monitors, books, etc ), we're not used to looking out far, like the clouds, or out in the horizon. An eye doctor proved this, and that glasses/contacts/lasik surgery actually make your eyes worse, because they strain your eyes also. There are eye exercises that you can do to improve your eyes back to 20/20 without glasses. Check out WIlliam Bates. This isn't new, this has been known for hundreds of years.

This western alternative medicine/therapy actually works, and I'm still trying to figure out why this knowledge isn't mainstream here in the west. Probably for money gain if you ask me. A lot of people will think that it's all bullshit, but i'm taking advantage of it now. This stuff is too beneficial to ignore.

Back on topic,I think every time you use your imagination, or visualize something that's your inner child, the real you. It's where all your memories are. The more you go towards that inner child, the more you start remembering things that you couldn't before. As far as bad habits go, i don't know, when you procrastinate, your being lazy, no energy. When you are your true self, your filled with energy to the point people will think your on drugs, or your mentally crazy.

Originally Posted by Replicon

This is really interesting stuff, and I'll for sure play with it. I've read about it both from the more pragmatic "subconscious mind" point of view, as well as from a more spiritual "higher self", Huna style point of view.

I have a question that someone here will hopefully be able to answer. It's kind of a contradiction resolution kind of deal.

On the one hand, you've got this "inner voice" that just knows so much and know what's best, and helps you out.

On the other hand, you've got the fact that most of what holds you back in life... bad habits, etc... are subconscious. I mean, think about it. If shyness were conscious, wouldn't you just consciously turn it off, since you KNOW it's irrational to think it's useful to be shy in most social situations. Procrastination (i.e. not getting to doing stuff you need to get done) is also fueled by your subconscious. I mean, you totally have to will yourself HARD to do stuff you're procrastinating on, no matter what.

How do these things resolve? When you speak with your subconscious like that, does it get filtered through all your bad habits, or does it allow you to transcend them somehow? Cause if I'm gonna do this, then I want to break down some barriers while I'm at it.

Confusing! Isn't!

The subconscious is said to be the seat of our emotions, our memories, dreams and creativity.

But according to psychology, the subconscious is also the seat of our habits! Creating habits, along with holding our memories, is one of its primary roles. Think of it this way, if the subconscious didn't create habits, we'd have to learn to drive every time we drive! Most of our so-called conscious activity is actually habitual.

Now this habit making subconscious doesn't pass judgment whether the habit it's created is good or bad. So we end up with all sorts of bad habits.

So how can this habit making subconscious, really ego, be the same subconscious that acts as our personal genie? I think the answer is, the subconscious isn't one thing!

Really, the term subconscious means conscious activity that we are not conscious of. A lot of what we consider to be subconscious activity is actually right-brain activity. Not all of it, but a good chunk of it is. Such as creativity. The right brain is also known for seeing the whole picture, while the left brain sees and analyzes the parts. The right brains holistic vision gives us intuition, that the left brain doesn't always understand because it can only see the trees, the leaves, the sticks, but never the forest.

Because language is a left brain activity and so important in our day to day lives, most of us are predominantly left brainers. And most of us would have to meditate or unwind to come into right brain dominance for even a few minutes. Now the left brain communicates via language. The right brain however communicates via imagery. Dreams and visualizations is a playing field for the right brain to communicate to us! Because the right brain can see the holistic picture, I think it is important to hear, or rather, see what it has to show you. (the right brain in and of itself is not the subconscious, only parts of it)

The part of your subconscious that creates habits is more or less a mindless machine. It will never pass judgment good or bad over these habits. That's not its job. It's job is simple - create habits based on conscious choices, and activate those habits at the appropriate time.

On the flip side, there seems to be a mysterious part to our subconscious that has the complete opposite role. While side B of our subconscious is busy making annoying habits, side A is extremely intelligent, wise, and wants only one thing - for you to be healthy and happy. It knows what's best for you, because it is you. But its the you that knows all of you - it's the you that knows your deepest desires and is consciously aware of all of your subconscious habits. It knows when a habit conflicts with your deepest desires. While side B is creating habits, side A seems to be busy trying to dissolve and break down habits, liberate us from our own stupidity. I consider our right-brain to be the primary messenger of side A.

Our conscious self seems to be sitting in the middle of these two forces of our subconscious mind. But only one of them is worth listening to. Because of this I actually see consciousness as a gradient scale, going up and down. Down is less conscious, until you reach the unconscious. In dreams, we desire to rise up in this scale of consciousness to become lucid.

What we casually call the subconscious in my opinion is actually, the two extremes of consciousness we are not consciously aware of. And that is, BELOW our waking conscious, and ABOVE our waking conscious. Because the two are extremities of consciousness, they don't even relate when you place them side by side. How can the part of us creating habits mindlessly, also be the part of us that gives us extremely wise intuitive advice? IT CAN'T BE! There is no relationship! These two sides of subconsciousness are so vastly different.

You need us, where we lie in consciousness, to be the relationship between the two.

That's why I call the subconscious above our waking conscious the SUPERconscious! Because it is super!

Ah of course! It's actually pretty simple either way. If you adopt the Huna-style model, then it's really easy, because there is a huge difference between the subconscious (low self) and the superconscious (high self).

If you assume a less spiritual model, you really do have to have the conscious mind play a more interesting role (i.e. consciously direct the processing power of the subconscious towards something useful hehe).

yeah!!, that was a very interesting question you asked replicon....

This is all very cool, let me give you my little side... I agree with you, about 'breaking down a few barriers while you're at it!'
I think everything is there for a reason... If you're shy, you were not Born like that, this shyness grew in time, for some reason... Many reasons sometimes... one trigger...
you need to find that trigger in order to change...

Like for example, a house.. a very very very old house.. you can't just break down the walls, and build another house on top!, if you did this, you would have problems later with the foundation, since you left the old one.... no matter WHAT you do on top of it... it will not truly solve the problem.. it might give it time... but the same issue will rise over and over again, until you actually replace, or build a new foundation... THEN the problem will be solved... right???

I'm sure you see were I'm going with this.... This is why it takes so long for us to change one little habbit.. and right when we think we've changed, a situation presents, and makes that crack in the foundation rise all over again!!!, if we don't find the true reason why it all happen, all we can do is disguise the habbit... In order for this NOT to happen... we need to find where it all started.. WHY it started... and the change will sort of happen... without even trying... as soon as you find the reason, the what, the why, if possible the when your bad little habbit started, that's it!.. you're done with it... the change, (if you still wanna change) will effortlessly happen

PS: the house thing is a great example I think lol, it kinda says everything I wanted to say here...

Hope this helps!!

I have, on a few occasions, talked to my subconscious.... definitely takes a clear mind! I usually have to be meditating for 5-10 minutes before I can try to ask anything.

I can generally tell the difference between my subconscious and my own thoughts, influencing. When I receive messages from my subconscious, it literally crams this message into my head. Usually I only either get like one word, backed up with feelings and an image... but always, always, the message floods in all at once. Then I spend the next 30 seconds piecing it back together I rely on my intuiton to tell if it's right.

If I ever hear a message that comes out clearly, word for word... I know I'm thinking it, and it isn't my sub-c

Originally Posted by Majestic

Did you know the reason people are near-sighted are like that because of stress/strain of the eyes ( we're used to looking at things close, like the ground, constant television, computer monitors, books, etc ), we're not used to looking out far, like the clouds, or out in the horizon. An eye doctor proved this, and that glasses/contacts/lasik surgery actually make your eyes worse, because they strain your eyes also. There are eye exercises that you can do to improve your eyes back to 20/20 without glasses. Check out WIlliam Bates. This isn't new, this has been known for hundreds of years.

Yes and no I have deformed eyeballs (actually known as Degenerative Myopia)... no amount of exercising my eyes is going to give me my vision back. But I do agree that glasses make DM worse. It's a double edged sword. I need them to see, and they make my condition worse.

My eye doctors generally have all agreed (not that I have many... but I don't always see the same guy, I just go to whereever there's one closest to where I'm living) to not prescribe the full prescription that I could be using for 20/20 vision... I don't really know that scale, so I'm going to use diopters for this next bit. Say, my eyes are about -11 in diopters (which they are - I'm legally blind). They might prescribe my lenses to -10.5 diopters so that my eyes don't get lazy and degenerate faster. The lesser prescription helps me keep using my eye muscles to see, and has slowed the degeneration a little.

Originally Posted by Majestic

Did you know the reason people are near-sighted are like that because of stress/strain of the eyes ( we're used to looking at things close, like the ground, constant television, computer monitors, books, etc ), we're not used to looking out far, like the clouds, or out in the horizon. An eye doctor proved this, and that glasses/contacts/lasik surgery actually make your eyes worse, because they strain your eyes also. There are eye exercises that you can do to improve your eyes back to 20/20 without glasses. Check out WIlliam Bates. This isn't new, this has been known for hundreds of years.

No amount of eye exercises will restore 20/20 vision. Here's why:

Nearsightedness is caused by a lenghethining in the eyeballs. Would excersise shorten a very, abnormally long leg?

Also, I find it a strain NOT wearing glasses as my eyes must work really hard to see far away any more than a blur. So in that case, not wearing glasses makes it worse.

However, a prescription too strong may cause the eyeballs to become lazy. That dosen't often happen, though.

Oddly enough, my eyesight has become no worse in the past few years or so, despite going to a job requing a lot of close-up sight.

Also, ain't that a bit offtopic?

I find it pretty interesting, that they all believe their inner voice to be both psychic and all knowing. I suppose that it is easier to follow something blindly if you believe it to have superior decision making capabilities than you do. Which is what they are all suggesting, that we should following the voice blindly, as it knows what is best for us.

However the subconcious is prone to impluses, which they even admit can be a bit random or strange at times. While I am sure your inner voice can be very insightful, I don't see the point of blindly following every random impluse and urge that my pop into your mind. It seems very likely they are deluding themself as well. Because I know the voice can not always be right, and they admit that it is some times wrong. However whenever it is wrong, they blame their ability to translate it, and not the voice itself. Why can't the voice be the one that is wrong?

The idea of not thinking, and acting on any impluses you may receive, never having to think or plan, or actually make decisions my sound alluring, until you realize that it would make you a mindless drone. A slave to your own subconcious mind. Sure you can dress it up and say the voice is all knowing, that it is receiving information from god himself, or funneling all knowldge from the cosmos through it. But really? Does anyone really believe that?

Did you even read the thread? How about reading the first post for a start It explains the difference between a random thought in your head and communicating with your subconscious - the seat of your deepest desires. If you had read the first post you would understand it suggests the primary way of communicating is not through the annoying voice in your head - but through coherent visual strong imagery.

Originally Posted by juroara

Did you even read the thread? How about reading the first post for a start It explains the difference between a random thought in your head and communicating with your subconscious - the seat of your deepest desires. If you had read the first post you would understand it suggests the primary way of communicating is not through the annoying voice in your head - but through coherent visual strong imagery.

Also, its not about letting yourself go completely, as some of the first posts also explain, this voice is there to guide you, but ultimetly its up to you!, your decisions, your choices, some people might want to follow this "voice" in almost everthing, but when it comes to certain Big decisions or choices to be made, its pretty much up to them!.... Read the thread, you say you understand, but for what you wrote, you seem to have come to the wrong conclusions... IMO, this whole thing is soooo much bigger and "complicated" than you make it seem...

(this is in response to Alric BTW)...

Of course I read it. I was refering to the three links, that all have that same trend, where they say the subconcious has psychic powers and is able to predict the future and stuff.

I am not saying one shouldn't explore it, because it is a very interesting topic. However I do think the people in the three links took it to a rather extreme level(though the first link isn't as bad as the other two).

I'm a bit skeptical about the subconscious being psychic and all. Yes, it is another, possibly wiser, part of yourself, but psychic? Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the sc is psycic, any more than a person is.

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

I try to do this a lot... but as with lucid dreaming, I'm not that successful all the time.
I'm usually the most successful right before I fall asleep as I'm drifting off...

btw, is this different then a spirit guide, or are they the same idea? (just one thought poses the guide as being another soul, while this thought would put it as it being your own soul/subconscious)?

This is my thought, exactly. I had my first lucid dream by accident - I didn't even know there was such a thing as "lucid dreaming". So when I asked my DC a question I believed that the DC was somehow "outside" of me. I can accept the fact that although the subconscious is "mine" it is also larger than and outside of me.

I can get it to send music