I have been considering trying one, but I have heard of lots of negative experiences, like calling up harmful spirits and such. Does anyone have any experience?
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I have been considering trying one, but I have heard of lots of negative experiences, like calling up harmful spirits and such. Does anyone have any experience?
I'm considering trying one too, just to see what happens. I'm not sure if there's any spirits in my household though. :P
I tried this once as a child with some friends, and to my disappointment absolutely nothing unusual happened, just idiotic friends 'thinking' the thing was moving itself but it was just them, to me its just a mass produced piece of cardboard/wood, sorry to burst anyone's spiritual bubble :P (I just don't buy into that stuff)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OuijaQuote:
Although ouija boards are viewed by some to be a simple toy, there are people who believe they can be harmful, including Edgar Cayce, who called them "dangerous."[10]
Some practitioners claim to have had bad experiences related to the use of talking boards by being haunted by "demons," seeing apparitions of spirits, and hearing voices after using them. A few paranormal researchers, such as John Zaffis, claim that the majority of the worst cases of so-called demon harassment and possession are caused by the use of Ouija boards. The American demonologists Ed and Lorraine Warren stated that "Ouija boards are just as dangerous as drugs."[11] They further state that "séances and Ouija boards and other occult paraphernalia are dangerous because 'evil spirits' often disguise themselves as your loved ones—and take over your life."[11]
Many people hold the belief that using a Ouija board allows communication with demons, which they say is Biblically forbidden as a form of divination.[12] Some people who claim to have been oppressed by evil spirits after using a board say that they could only get rid of these problems after Christian deliverance.[13] Some people believe that no dead person's soul can be summoned, and that the only summoned spirits are demons who are trying to harm humans.[14]
In March 1920, a United Press dispatch from Martinez, California stated that detention in the insane ward was filled with seven persons "who, the police say, were driven insane by constant use of ouija boards."[15] As early as 1924, Harry Houdini similarly wrote that five people from El Cerrito, California were driven insane by using a board.[16] That same year, Dr. Carl Wickland in his book stated that "the serious problem of alienation and mental derangement attending ignorant psychic experiments was first brought to my attention by cases of several persons whose seemingly harmless experiences with automatic writing and the Ouija board resulted in such wild insanity that commitment to asylums was necessitated."[17]
In 1944, occultist Manly P. Hall, the founder of the Philosophical Research Society and an early authority on the occult in the 20th century, stated in Horizon magazine that, "during the last 20-25 years I have had considerable personal experience with persons who have complicated their lives through dabbling with the Ouija board. Out of every hundred such cases, at least 95 are worse off for the experience." He went on to say that, "I know of broken homes, estranged families, and even suicides that can be traced directly to this source."[18]
The former medical director of the State Insane Asylum of New Jersey, Dr. Curry, stated that the Ouija board was a "dangerous factor" in unbalancing the mind and believed that if their popularity persisted insane asylums would be filled with people who used them.[19]
Decades later, in 1965, parapsychologist Martin Ebon in his book Satan Trap: Dangers of the Occult, states that "it all may start harmlessly enough, perhaps with a Ouija board," which will, "bring startling information... establishing credibility or identifying itself as someone who is dead. It is common that people... as having been 'chosen' for a special task." He continues, "Quite often the Ouija turns vulgar, abusive or threatening. It grows demanding and hostile, and sitters may find themselves using the board compulsively, as if 'possessed' by a spirit, or hearing voices that control or command them."[20]
In her 1971 autobiography, the psychic Susy Smith said, "Warn people away from Ouija and automatic writing. I experienced many of the worst problems of such involvement. Had I been forewarned by reading that such efforts might cause one to run the risk of being mentally disturbed, I might have been more wary."[21] Only recently, well known psychic Sylvia Browne made her appearance on The Montel Williams Show stating that Ouija boards were dangerous. Additionally, the late Roman Catholic priest Malachi Martin believed talking boards are dangerous and claimed that by using these devices a person opens themselves to demonic oppression or possession, topics upon which Martin spoke and wrote extensively for many years.[22]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG4wTZuT3wM
Even though i friggin hate Penn and teller..so obnoxious. But this was 1 test anyway.
The Ouija board is a divination tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturos
I used a Ouija board with some friends once about six years ago just for fun and jokes. My friends kept forcing the slider to move deliberately to spell out bullcrap words like "fuck you" etc.. Was kind of funny. Nothing happened, or at least I think things that happened afterward weren't related the Ouija. Ironically, the hype about Ouija boards is about spirits and multiple people using it at the same time. If legitimately utilized as a divination tool, it is recommended you use the Ouija board by yourself.
Now, what I meant by "at least I think things that happened afterward weren't related to the Ouija board". My friends and I were messing around with all sorts of things related to divination, such as tarot cards, Ouija boards, going to supposedly haunted houses etc.. Well, one day I got my friend to play a divination game with me that I made up to see if either of us were naturally gifted in divination. The game first started out as flipping a coin and guessing which side it landed on. We did this ten times. Next, we stepped things up to four colored marbles. We did this ten times. Finally, we stepped things up to one-dice. We did this ten times. Yes, we were bored.
The reason we kept raising the stakes is because I guessed all ten coins correctly, then guessed all four colored marbles correctly, then guessed all one-dice rolls correctly. My friend gave up half way into the colored marble game because he was only getting a quarter to half of his guesses accurate, which I was blowing him away. This game lasted about thirty minutes. Sometimes it would take me one or two minutes to feel what I thought was the accurate guess, other times it would take less than five seconds. Basically, it is so impossible, that when I talk about this experience people say I'm a liar. It definitely blew my friend away and kind of freaked him out. There is a certain feeling I get when I divine(?), which I also visually see shapes and colors while my eyes are closed that eventually take on a tangible shape. This is a reason why it sometimes took one to two minutes. I'm pretty sure I have a natural gift in divination, but I don't really practice or control it, which I also don't utilize just the one experience to back up the conclusion. Prior to this little experiment, I had a dream of my sister losing her job, which she indeed did lose her job one week later. Many more things have happened within the last six years.
The main difficulty in divination being taken legitimately is that it is difficult to test, which I'm not going to go into detail on my theory as to why. Bluntly, I recently decided to start testing my divination skills extensively for personal research, which I'll have a hard copy on paper and video recordings. I'm buying a terabyte external hard drive sometime next week to archive the videos because I will be doing experiments for months. If anything turns up, which I'm almost positive something will turn up, I'll be glossing over the data to see if I can find a pattern as to what induces it.
In my opinion, Ouija boards working probably depends on your state of mind, or at least, your state of mind will increase chances for results. I haven't a clue about harmful spirits, but negative thoughts won't help in the slightest since they mess with you psych. Never have I encountered a ghost, at least I don't think I have. I did have a reoccurring nightmare in a supposedly haunted house when I was younger, which after my family moved out of it, the reoccurring nightmares immediately ceased.
Anyways, I'm still debating on whether or not to putting my recordings up on the internet in real time. I could, so that it would give more validity and other people could use the research, but then again it may not be a wise idea since the recordings would be completely uncensored and open access to my brain. Then again, I could just put the recordings and analysis up after I finish the research, but then validity may be reduced. Of course, I could always just keep it private, which if anything turns up, I can covet the knowledge. Not sure.
For the sake of being intellectually taken seriously on this site i want to refrain from talking about it. But seriously just stay away from it.
I had a friend guess what card I was thinking of. (There was no deck present.) The first time he got it right. Then he got the number, not the suit. Then he got the suit, not the number, (which isn't amazing at all.) Then he got the right card AGAIN. Then he guessed dead wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
Yeah, it didn't prove anything to me. But the odds of that are low enough that it still creeped me out. Haha.
I believe in spiritualism but with a high dose of skepticism. As in, I accept that much of what is labeled paranormal may be possible. But there are very few things I take at face value when it comes to things like this. I highly doubt a Ouija Board has any power in itself. That seems illogical to me. But, if spirits and the like exist, I consider it more likely that anything spiritual that may come from a Ouija Board is probably the result of opening yourself up to spirits and inviting that energy into your life. So if Ouija Boards 'work' then any form of divination, a summoning circle, a spirit crystal, a prayer of invitation, etc. probably works equally as well.
Oh, I totally agree. From a spiritual point of view, I think the main thing that needs to make it successful is acquiring focus since you most likely act as a conduit. Glyphs, Ouija boards, divining rods, rituals, etc. are just ways of acquiring the focus. It is kind of like meditating, but you aren't just sitting still. Additionally, I think whatever you touch has an imprint of your energy on it, the same with everyone else. For example, if I hand crafted a necklace and gave it to you as a gift, you would have a piece of me. I'm not talking about sentimental value etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
Here is an interesting story. I toyed with an experimental spell once, which the results were bizarre enough for me not to try it again. Basically, I had created a spell with the purpose of acquiring information from the individual of my focus. Now, the results or perceived results are interesting. Within twenty four hours, information of the individual came from people who knew the individual. It wasn't like me picking up on what I wanted to hear from people about the individual, it was that people out of the blue were in-my-face force feeding information almost fanatically. I sometimes wonder if the spell backfired, because that is not exactly how I wanted it to function. Could have been psychological, then again maybe not due to how bizarrely creepy it was.
One of the steps I took was using automatic handwriting for glyphs. From what I've seen, most people can't do automatic handwriting, which I'm curious if that has ever been studied in Psychology. Also, though I've never encountered spirits, I still have an open-mind about the concept. Something interesting would be to graph major hauntings on a map and see how many fall on the Ley Lines. The Ley Lines are supposedly energy hot spots on the planet, which many of the major sacred temples on the planet fall on the Ley Lines.
Hmm. That is interesting. Now I wonder, if the ley lines actually do have spiritual power, would people recognize them because of their inherent power or would something that humans had done, (possibly just expecting the ley lines to function properly,) have caused the ley lines to have power in the first place. See what I am saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
I don't really know, because I never looked much into the Ley Lines. Also, I don't think there really is anything physical or scientific that recognizes them, such as tangible energy etc., which its considered Pseudoscience. From a paranormal aspect, theoretically, it would make the most sense that major hauntings would fall on them if the Ley Lines are energy heavy locations.Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
Anyways, yeah, I see what you are saying. There may not be anything more to the Ley Lines than just sacred temples falling on them, but the idea of it being spiritual gets people to focus.
DO NOT. FUCK. WITH OUIJA BOARDS. PERIOD.
I'm all for trying everything in life, but Ouija boards are bad fucking mojo. If I'm ever at a friend's house and he pulls one out, I'm telling him to put it the fuck away or I'm leaving.
Those things are bad. Like, I'm a moral subjectivist, but those things are fucking EVIL.
Ouija boards are against my religion but I still use them once in awhile. I don't believe in ghosts or any off that stuff but I like to do it for fun just to see what the "spirits" aka my friends.. spell out on the board and watch their expressions.
I think it's kind of wrong though in a way, to play with an ouija board, because one time me and my friends were playing with one and my friend "contacted" her dead mom. She believed everything that it pointed to and every time I would tell my friends that its not real, they would yell at me and get really mad. We also "contacted" like 10 other spirits, including famous people like Michael Jackson and Billy Mays. I mean, what are the chances of that happening? Thats just impossible. And I don't think its right that my friend was believing that her mother was actually contacting her and giving her false hopes. It's just sad.
I think it's okay to use an ouija board once in awhile for fun purposes only.. but you should keep in mind that someone is always moving the pointer thing..
Make sure you're blindfolded and have somebody else write down what the spirits say; obviously there's no reason for you to see the board, and you could end up just subconsciously pushing towards the letters you expect to see, heaven forbid!
^^^ exactly.
Yeah, that pretty much is the jist of it. I used the board before and i know what the girls mean when they said they did not move it, it feels like it moves on it's own but it's really you moving it via subcon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Replicon
You need a book called, 'How to talk with the dead' by Alan Valiant. I had the good fortune to have a cup of tea with him one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturos