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      melanieb's workbook

      Okay, I needed a good reason to make the extra effort, so here I am.

      I already have my Dream Journal. You know that.

      SO, recurring elements of mine would be:

      Working at my former office. I spent ten-and-a-half years there so it's no surprise I dream about it, but that was three years ago.

      Studying for tests or taking tests, especially in my elementary school. I visit my elementary school every weekday (for my daughter) so again, this isn't a big surprise.

      My old house, the one I used to live in 14 years ago, or the house before that. I am often in these homes, but they never look quite right.

      Seeing super-abnormal features in my landscape, like snow near flowers, or high cliffs.

      Storms that lead to flooding. I dream about this a lot, and because I live on a hill flooding isn't terribly common.

      Using the bathroom and making a mess. I am never messy in the bathroom, nor do I use messy ones, so encountering either in a dream is a big sign to me that I'm dreaming.

      Having sex and failing to complete the act. 'nuff said.

      Being male. This happens at odd times.

      Being in my underwear, anywhere.

      Performing oral sex on myself, as either a male or female. This has to be one of the weirdest ones, and I've never shared it before, but there it is.

      Driving and my vehicle turns into a bicycle, or some pedal-operated contraption with multiple gears. Another weird one.


      I may add some more if I think of them. I need to go get ready for today's activities.

      I'll start posting more in my DJ also.

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      Okay, I went ahead and posted two dreams today, both of which had moments of lucidity, though the dream last night was more lucid than the older one where Jack Black dies. As I reported in the TOTM thread, nearly every dream I have contains some moment of lucidity at the very least, and that's probably why I have such a hard time paying attention to them. Well, that and children waking me up and the urgent needs of the morning.

      In my dream last night I was able to realize I was dreaming while climbing a tree, and I used my control to age a friend of my daughter's by several years to make it easier for my son to like her.

      I made efforts to affect dream signs before going to bed and even tried a mantra but I never did any checks in the dream. I am not used to having to check in the dream because I'm typically aware that I'm dreaming, but I still think it might help with control and longevity if I can manage to perform these checks.

      More later. My children are demanding attention, and I have chores.

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      Wow mel, that's a lot of dream signs O_o That's great that you're able to spot them all aswell! Interesting dream and it's awesome that you're a natural lucid dreamer. I never see you post on on-topic much, though :/

      Any questions about lucid dreaming? Drop me a PM here!

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      Cool beans!

      My old house, the one I used to live in 14 years ago, or the house before that. I am often in these homes, but they never look quite right.
      That's a good one! I've lived in quite a few houses in my life... So I'll keep an eye out for that...
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      Quote Originally Posted by fOrceez View Post
      Wow mel, that's a lot of dream signs O_o That's great that you're able to spot them all aswell! Interesting dream and it's awesome that you're a natural lucid dreamer. I never see you post on on-topic much, though :/

      I post a lot in the General Dream Discussion section, and occasionally in other threads that are on-topic. I'm sure you could find my posts if you look for them.

      As for sections like Attaining Lucidity and methods...well, honestly, more than half the threads are people asking for help with specific things that I just don't know enough about, so I don't feel I should clutter up their threads. Some of the other threads...like the long one talking about the energy in crystals...I either don't care to subscribe to that person's point of view or the thread is so specific I just don't feel any need to weigh in.

      Some are outright boring.

      Every day I look over the Sleep And Dreaming posts and I do two things. I choose threads that look interesting to me, ones that have only a post or two and no one with any knowledge has weighed in yet. I hate for people to think no one has paid them any attention when a thread has 60 views and not one single reply. This is especially true in the Introduction Zone, though common in General Dream Discussion also.

      The second thing I do is look for posts that read well, posts where someone is articulate and is describing something that I feel a connection to. I look for mentions of common dream signs and interests. I look for well-written dreams and thoughtful questions, things that intrigue me.

      I notice I don't see you posting in a lot of those threads, though I do encounter other mods occasionally. I just assume those threads don't fall under your arena of responsibility. There are too many threads for mods to post in all of them and still be able to keep up with their own interests on this forum.

      I do my best. Keep an eye open for my posts.
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      Glad you joined the class Mel! I was hoping we'd get a few naturals in here. I think your experiences will be helpful and inspirational to the members who are just beginning.
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      Thank you, both of you! And DreiHundert also!

      Well, I hope to be able to really achieve some serious control. It's too much fun inside my head, the images are the best entertainment I've ever had. If I can control them...I will share everything I do and anything that might help someone else.

      Probably an interesting coincidence...I noticed the mention of milk in a lot of threads....I drink a lot of milk.

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      Okay, so I had a couple of interesting dreams. I was lucid in one and the other clearly showed I had been paying attention to technique a little too much.

      The first dream occurred during my normal sleep period, and I don't recall much as I went to bed very late and woke up early. I'm impressed I can remember as much as I did considering I barely had 4.5 hours of sleep.

      The second dream occurred after I came back from taking my daughter to school. I had been awake for two hours and finally managed to fall asleep and even reach lucidity, though my choice of actions was rather unusual. I enjoyed the dream for its pleasures, but it's not what I had been hoping for.

      I managed to stay half-asleep for a long period after having that dream, and experienced a number of dream-like scenarios and imagery for the next half-hour, but I was aware of my surroundings at the same time. It was an interesting blend of dream and waking awareness that is common to me so it's not surprising or bothersome. I just would have rathered fallen back to sleep for something a little deeper.

      I've noticed my hands often hurt upon waking from these shorter sleep periods. Could I be clenching them in my sleep? Or bending them in some odd way? I don't really care for that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by melanieb View Post
      I've noticed my hands often hurt upon waking from these shorter sleep periods. Could I be clenching them in my sleep? Or bending them in some odd way? I don't really care for that.
      I have no idea The only times mine hurt is when something bites them in the dream, and it's just residual dream pain that dissipates a few moments after I wake up. I wonder if anyone else has experienced that.

      Anyway, congrats on the lucid, especially after only 4.5 hours of sleep!

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      The lucid took part during the time after I had come home from the elementary school, during a hour-long period in which I finally managed to doze off. I couldn't have been asleep more than about 45-50 minutes. The rest of the time, about twenty minutes on either side of the sleep, I was in a half-awake state.


      It was strange, and I want to note this because I thought about it alot. I would be lying there and I would be very sleepy, but I would be aware of the fan blowing on my face and an occasional itch on my foot, so sleep was eluding me. However, nearly all sudden noises that occurred during this time (cars, cats, the turkey outside) made me feel like I was falling deeper into sleep rather than more aware. It's hard to describe. My mind merely seemed at peace if I wasn't being disturbed, sleepy but not asleep. It was the noises that made me feel like I was falling (metaphorically) into something deeper, a stronger sensation that wakefulness was slipping away.

      It was a strong enough experience and it happened so many times that I felt compelled to bring it up here.


      Too bad I never finished that dream. I was so close, awkward a subject as it is.

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      So, that hand pain issue I mentioned, I think I must be driving my knuckles into the bed/furniture when I'm sleeping, though I can't account for it today. It's led to me doing a few RCs.

      Funny, I was drinking a glass of milk before I read the chat log where Aly was talking about milk. This led to another RC, because I occasionally experience deja vu while reading material related to LDs. I'm dreaming about techniques now. I really need to pick one, just my schedule is so chaotic.

      I can't say milk does anything different for my dreams either way, but I haven't experimented with it to see. I drink it daily, except when ill, so it may be hard to tell if it has any effect.

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      Aly reminded me that the body turns tryptophan into melatonin at night, and I read that can increase the vividness and frequency of dreams, which is what in turn can lead to more chances of lucidity. Maybe not lucidity directly. I may have worded that unclear in the lesson.
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      So, a turkey sandwich and a glass of milk at dinnertime would be a good choice?


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      Important update!

      The video card in my computer has been causing me issues recently. Tonight it made an awful noise and I think its done. A new one is on its way but until new one arrives I will be limited in my posting ability. I am using my phone to post this message.

      I may post some but I will probably record my DJ entries by hand until I can post my epic dreams with my computer.

      Anyway, I'll check back in tomorrow. *hugs*

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      AWwwwww

      Glad your iphone will let you post at least.

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      ... hope you are back soon!

      Any questions about lucid dreaming? Drop me a PM here!

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      I can post, it just takes three times as long to type. I'm using an Android phone, I don't really like the iPhone.

      Anyway, thank you for understanding. The video card will either arrive tomorrow or Thursday, I would be willing to bet. I will still be reading some threads occasionally. Going to use some of my time today to go back to sleep.

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      Got your video card thingy yet? I also read that you are sick? Get well soon, we miss yoouuuuuuuuuu

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      I got a call today saying it was expected to.arrive tomorrow and they apologized for it taking a couple extra days to get here. With all luck I should have it installed Monday evening.

      Thank you, for what you did!

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      Yay! Hope to see you back soon

      Any questions about lucid dreaming? Drop me a PM here!

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      Quote Originally Posted by melanieb View Post
      Thank you, for what you did!
      I don't know what I did, but you are so incredibly welcome!

      Looking forward to your return (hopefully) tonight
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      Okay, so I'm back. I installed the video card yesterday and it seems to be okay so far. I then spent the evening getting rid of my domain and going through some 2,000 e-mail messages.

      The antibiotic I'm in has made sleep and dreaming weird...or perhaps it has been all the coughing. Whatever, I haven't been as lucid as I would like, though I still have moments in dreams.

      I did meet a very interesting DC who called himself DONOVAN, and he was some sort of...deity, or very important being related to something universally important. He reminds me a little of JoeyBelgier (sp?), the European guy here on the forum, but the DC was taller, and had a more hollow face. He was also dressed in hanging cloths or loose robes. Still, I suppose the important thing is that he was...VERY IMPORTANT to the workings of the Universe.

      I'm still typing up dreams. I have been doing my RCs and I spent a lot of time trying to meet my actual idol.


      Ooh, one more thing...I often have several dreams in a night but the dreams that occur before my alarm are sometimes only remembered fragments at best (depending on how late I stay up) while any dreams after I take my daughter to school and go back to bed are epic in what I can recall. Should I record these fragments in my DJ?

      Note on idols: I spent some time thinking about who my idol was and I realized it was the Scoutmaster of the troop. If I were to look up to anyone it would be him, and I realized this around the time of that funeral I went to. This man is more like how I would want any human being in this world to be more like, including myself. I spent every night trying to find him in a dream and never did. I saw him in real life a few times, but it wasn't enough to make for a good dream I guess.

      Another thing that is interesting is that when I'm dreaming I often find I'll be dreaming myself into various situations and then I have thoughts as the dream version of myself. Let me put this another way. Right now, as you are reading this, various thoughts appear in your brain just as they do when you're walking down the street in real life; Thoughts about what's around you, what comes next, the color of the sky, etc. So, in my dream the version of me that appears in the dream is thinking, and having thoughts like these, and I'm aware of them not as if they were spoken or descriptive text like in a movie but as the actual disjointed thoughts that I get in real life, like I'm getting now. It's...a level of awareness that I find fascinating, yet it in no way impacts what happens in the dream unless ther thoughts are related to actions I'm about to take.

      This is hard to describe, especially with my daughter showing me a magic trick at this moment.

      I also frequently remember other dreams inside my dream, as though they really happened. Some of those dream memories are real and some are not. It's a truly weird sensation when I realize I'm dreaming about remembering another dream.

      Okay, time to put up the turkey and continue with my DJ.
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      Quote Originally Posted by melanieb View Post
      Ooh, one more thing...I often have several dreams in a night but the dreams that occur before my alarm are sometimes only remembered fragments at best (depending on how late I stay up) while any dreams after I take my daughter to school and go back to bed are epic in what I can recall. Should I record these fragments in my DJ?
      Big fat yes. After I take Chris to school, epic dreams like you said. And before that it's just fragments for me too. I record them anyway, because it still helps recall. More than you would think.

      Another thing that is interesting is that when I'm dreaming I often find I'll be dreaming myself into various situations and then I have thoughts as the dream version of myself. Let me put this another way. Right now, as you are reading this, various thoughts appear in your brain just as they do when you're walking down the street in real life; Thoughts about what's around you, what comes next, the color of the sky, etc. So, in my dream the version of me that appears in the dream is thinking, and having thoughts like these, and I'm aware of them not as if they were spoken or descriptive text like in a movie but as the actual disjointed thoughts that I get in real life, like I'm getting now. It's...a level of awareness that I find fascinating, yet it in no way impacts what happens in the dream unless ther thoughts are related to actions I'm about to take.
      Understand I do not but want to. Elaborate please on this heightened sense of awareness you describe.
      /Yoda

      I also frequently remember other dreams inside my dream, as though they really happened. Some of those dream memories are real and some are not. It's a truly weird sensation when I realize I'm dreaming about remembering another dream.
      I do that! Especially when I dream about a frequent dream sign. I'll ponder the initial dream for a while. Sometimes it makes my reality checks fail. Tornadoes mainly.

      You're a super trippy dreamer. I love that.
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      Okay, I added three of my recent dreams, two of which were from Monday.

      How to describe this...

      In real life, when you look around at your surroundings various thoughts enter your mind depending on what you're seeing. They might be something like My Plants Need Watering, or WTF, The Cat Threw Up On The Breakfast Table, I Don't Want To Clean It Up, I Should Make My BoyFriend Do It.

      So, in dreams, I have these moments also, where I look around and have thoughts enter my "dream mind" depending on what I'm looking at.

      This differs from basic dreams in that it represents an environmental awareness rather than the usual passive nature of dreams. To illustrate in another way, most dream scenes are like watching a movie, passive, with only mild thought at best, while in my lucid dreams my thoughts are not only hyper aware and conscious of my surroundings but capable of odd randomness just like in waking life.

      For example, in my Cat Vomit dream a person points out all the empty homes around and I contemplate robbing some of them later on. This thought is triggered by my environment, and had several other thoughts connected to it as well, such as "what happens if I get caught" and "how would I go about it," and "when would be a good time to try, now or at night?" These thoughts occurred in the dream but were not something I relayed in the dream recount. This same thing happens in real life, where one thought triggers a whole host of thoughts and feelings, even visuals, that we don't share with those around us.

      What's nifty about this is that my mind isn't just creating a world for me to react to or shape; I've created an interactive environment to inhabit with every aspect of the real world included, right down to the mundane and random thoughts that flow in and out of my mind at any moment of the day. I'm not a passive dream character.

      Even saying all this I still realize I'm not accurately describing what I'm trying to convey. It's a dream concept that eludes description.

      I think it's another form or element of lucidity, because it doesn't feel...the way I feel when I have no involvement in my dreams.


      Time to get some sleep. Again I have stayed up way too late!

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      Quote Originally Posted by melanieb
      In real life, when you look around at your surroundings various thoughts enter your mind depending on what you're seeing. They might be something like My Plants Need Watering, or WTF, The Cat Threw Up On The Breakfast Table, I Don't Want To Clean It Up, I Should Make My BoyFriend Do It.
      I'm not sure what it's called either, but it's an excellent thing to do; monitoring your own thoughts.

      Any questions about lucid dreaming? Drop me a PM here!

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