Thread: #DVA Chat Times & Logs

Tuesday, August 21st, 3pm CST Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

<Exotiraan> ---[ Log Mark: DVA Session ]---
<hathor28> where we get pods
<hathor28> ?
<paperplane> yes its great!
<hathor28> OH
<OpheliaBlue> Ok, at the start of each episode, we'd like to have a section where we read y'all's favorite experiences, also a Q. and A.
<OpheliaBlue> I believe there's a thread in that forum where you can submit it
<kraom> so we submit our favorite lucid experience? in said thread
<OpheliaBlue> ah yes, here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f158/dream...stions-135095/
<OpheliaBlue> yes, and any questions you want to ask us
<OpheliaBlue> for example "Kraom asks: what is hypnogogic imagery?" and we'll answer it on the podcast
<OpheliaBlue> thought it might make it more fun, and reach more members
<kraom> mhmmm i see
<OpheliaBlue> trying to make the episodes more DVA based
<OpheliaBlue> hey realdealmagic!
[realdealmagic shows his inactive face again.]
<realdealmagic> Hello.
<OpheliaBlue> we were talking about having folks post their favorite experiences or questions for the podcast
<OpheliaBlue> in this thread, for those who just joined http://www.dreamviews.com/f158/dream...stions-135095/
<realdealmagic> Ah, good thinking
<Chimpertainment> cool
<realdealmagic> I'll probably just sit back and watch this class to be honest
<realdealmagic> Comprehensive thoughts aren't at the top of my to-do list unfortunately.
<OpheliaBlue> we're going to make this friday's episode on WILD/DEILD, so if any of you have had those kinds
<hathor28> deild
<OpheliaBlue> lol realdealmagic that's fine
<kraom> well i think ive had a DEILD
<kraom>
<OpheliaBlue> yeah DEILDs are pretty popular right now, especially in the Intro class
<OpheliaBlue> DEILD experiences would be great to post in that suggestion thread
<Sage> I struggle with DEILD
<Chimpertainment> me 2
<kraom> i think that the dream re-entry ive been doing is a DEILD, but idk
<Sage> been trying for the last 2 weeks
<Chimpertainment> i spaz out right when i wake up
<OpheliaBlue> so this would be a great opportunity to post questions and concerns that any of you are having, if you're trying DEILD
<OpheliaBlue> or WILD
<Sage> I wake up and remain still but nothing happens
<hathor28> hate when i wake up and forget my dream and i got to lay still and re-think what i dreamt for 15mins!
<hathor28> i get those sometimes
<Oreoboy1996> Chimpertainment: i'm not so sure if "spaz out" is normal upon waking up
<OpheliaBlue> yeah, recall is a common issue, esp with DEILD since it's several dreams, and the earliest ones get lost
<hathor28> i think i wasn't having a deild last nite :\
<Chimpertainment> lol, when I wake up, my reaction is to immediatly move, its a habit
<OpheliaBlue> ^^ me too
<Oreoboy1996> i trained myself to hold still
<Chimpertainment> so yeah...how do you break the habit of not moving
<kraom> try not to move
<Oreoboy1996> you could try a mantra
<Sage> I hold still but nothing happens
<Chimpertainment> habit of moving*
<hathor28> or maybe one dream stood out more because my dream guy was in it lol
<OpheliaBlue> usually if I'm still, it's because I woke up but am in the perfect state of tired and relaxed and comfortable, so I don't need to move
<Oreoboy1996> something like "I will not move when I wake up"
<paperplane> and is it "forbidden" to move, or can you do a deild anyway?
<Chimpertainment> i need to try a mantra every night me thinks cuz it usually doesnt work
<Oreoboy1996> you can DEILD even after rolling over
<Oreoboy1996> as long as you maintain the same state of mind
<hathor28> i roll but i don't sit up
<Oreoboy1996> not moving just makes it a lot easier though
<Sage> or try FILD if you moved
<Chimpertainment> I have done the dield before, just a long time ago...now i move constantly
<paperplane> FILD?
<Oreoboy1996> Finger Induced Lucid Dream
<OpheliaBlue> getting a memory foam topper for my mattress helped me alot too
<paperplane> Oh
<Oreoboy1996> I know hardly anything about it
<OpheliaBlue> come to think of it, it's time to rotate it
<Sage> stupid name I know
<Chimpertainment> how did the foam help?
<paperplane> i thought it was the F word.. lol
<hathor28> lol
<OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: it's more comfortable, so when I wake up in between dreams, I'm more relaxed, I don't feel the urge to move, and I'm more likely to get the vibrations
<hathor28> foam?
<kraom> i tried FILD once. and uhhh fell asleep
<Chimpertainment> so its more of a comfort thing would u say?
<Oreoboy1996> kraom: you're supposed to fall asleep
<OpheliaBlue> this: http://meganandtimmy.com/wp-content/...opper-picx.jpg
<Sage> the point is to fall asleep
<Sage> or it wouldn't be a lucid 'dream'
<OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: a combination of comfort, and a little self disclipline like oreo mentioned
<OpheliaBlue> training oneself to hold still
<Chimpertainment> mmk
<kraom> right right but i didnt maintain my awareness
<OpheliaBlue> wb realdeal
<kraom> i stopped doing my FILD and was just asleep
<realdealmagic> ty
<OpheliaBlue> FILD just kept me FROM sleeping hehe
<Oreoboy1996> well you're obviously going to do it wrong if you can't maintain awareness >.>
<kraom> yea, that was the problem..
<hathor28> everyone has their own way to recall
<Chimpertainment> last night, felt like my whole right forearm went into the mattress
<Chimpertainment> was soo coo
<hathor28> try the whole body chimp
<Chimpertainment> ah yes
<Chimpertainment> the bottomless pit, lol
<Oreoboy1996> kraom: i think the solution would be to try to wake up your mind just a bit more maybe
<hathor28> i had a time my body was sinking in my bed lol
<OpheliaBlue> oh interesting Chimpertainment.. was is a state of hypnagogic hallucinations?
<OpheliaBlue> My body will slide across the bed, like I'm being pulled across it
<OpheliaBlue> weeeeird feeling
<hathor28> i was half asleep and woke up on that feeling of sinking or falling thru my bed lol
<hathor28> could be the spirit movin i think
<Chimpertainment> opheliablue: yeah, i think so, i was trying the finger exercise when my forearm went through..sometimes mh HH will kick in really fast, most the time i never experience it
<OpheliaBlue> Ilove when that happens
<kraom> mmm well i have to go.. :/
<OpheliaBlue> awwwww
<kraom> Ill see you guys later
<OpheliaBlue> see ya Kraom
<Chimpertainment> @opheliablue: ive never slid, that sounds crazy!
<OpheliaBlue> happens really rarely
<Chimpertainment> ya
<OpheliaBlue> other times, I just feel the weight of someone on top of me, keeping me from moving at all
<OpheliaBlue> mostly, I get vibrations that ransition me into a lucid dream, not always seamlessly though
<hathor28> happened once for me
<hathor28> so ya rarely
<OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: what you said about "waking up your mind a little more" by what, would you suggest an incubated dream at that point?
<OpheliaBlue> or something more like a mantra
<OpheliaBlue> when I'm in between dreams, I'll usually try to incubate a scene of some type, and wait for the crazy HI to take over
<Oreoboy1996> well now that i think of it
<Oreoboy1996> a mantra for awareness would be a lot better
<OpheliaBlue> a mantra would keep you from waking up TOO much perhaps?
<Oreoboy1996> but i was talking about trying to think harder about things right when you wake up
<OpheliaBlue> oh
<Chimpertainment> Inhale: I am aware/lucid Exhale: in my dream
<Oreoboy1996> i don't like to think about my breathing
<Oreoboy1996> because then i start breathing wrong
<OpheliaBlue> lol
<hathor28> lol
<Chimpertainment> wear headphones
<Oreoboy1996> that wouldn't help...
<paperplane> sounds like when I'm thinking about my saliva..
<hathor28> breathing in dreams is almost non-existant to me O_o
<OpheliaBlue> saliva? oh god
<OpheliaBlue> hathor28: yeah I don't really notice breathing or blinking in dreams, or a heartbeat.. no need for it
<Oreoboy1996> there isn't even any need for a body in dreams
<hathor28> true
<OpheliaBlue> so true
<hathor28> it's like spirit
<Oreoboy1996> which is why we get to have those dreams that are like watching a movie
<Chimpertainment> there is a lot that can be said for bringing waking life actions into dreams
[Exotiraan generally has his biological processes in dreams.]
<Chimpertainment> makes the dream more real
<realdealmagic> ping
<Oreoboy1996> i don't want real
<hathor28> i can walk and rollerskate ahaha
<Oreoboy1996> pong
<Chimpertainment> well just cuz its more real doesnt mean it has to feel worse
<Exotiraan> Oreoboy1996: I don't, either, but my mind makes it happen until something happens that makes it decide that it don't have to be that way.
<hathor28> rollerskating in dreams makes u glide thru faster in dreams lol
<hathor28> i love it lol but too bad i had only 1 dream of that
<OpheliaBlue> I don't mind it feeling "real", but whatever happens in a lucid, I always end up changing it anyway
<OpheliaBlue> I love to push the limits (well there are none)
<hathor28> true
<Exotiraan> That giant guardian at the door of my mind, Logic, is standing there, all like, "Thou shall not pass without proper verification."
<Exotiraan> (Except for the things that sometimes slip by it. Or when Logic itself gets corrupted. ;P)
<Oreoboy1996> Exotiraan: the obvious answer would be to give verification
<Chimpertainment> my changing powers suck
<Oreoboy1996> just need to figure out what you need to verify
<hathor28> i rollerskated in a long dream so ya it was useful
<OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: how so?
<Chimpertainment> like, turning lights on and off, changing scenery, etc
[Exotiraan sometimes wonders if he would have all that trouble if he had not have gotten into the world of computer programming as a kid. ]
<hathor28> omg been so long since i used powers, like months now O-O
<Chimpertainment> my dream environment has become really stable albeit really abstract
<Chimpertainment> stable/static
<OpheliaBlue> oh I see
<Oreoboy1996> Chimpertainment: did you try using magic spells?
<OpheliaBlue> I never had much luck changing scenes until I started using mirrors
<OpheliaBlue> or portals, as oreo would call them
<Exotiraan> ...'course, that probably wouldn't have stopped me from finding something else logic bound to get into if that is the kind of person I am in hardware. ;P
<hathor28> my powers is in the mind now
<Oreoboy1996> Exotiraan: why not just program the dream >.>
<OpheliaBlue> haha
<Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I think I tried that once, in Python.
<Exotiraan> :p
<OpheliaBlue> makes sense, just run a lucidbot in your dream
<Oreoboy1996> go find a keybord and hack into your dream
<Exotiraan> It didn't work out as planned... but I did get my hand unstuck from a wall.
<Oreoboy1996> kind of like what Sam did actually
<Chimpertainment> oreoboy1996: I havent used any magic spells in a lucid yet...i dont think ive ever tried magic in my dreams now that i think of it...things just happened when i thought them...it sounds like agood idea
<OpheliaBlue> ok time's up, please post anything you would like discussed on the podcast here: http://meganandtimmy.com/wp-content/...opper-picx.jpg
<OpheliaBlue> or you can PM me or RareCola
<realdealmagic> All dese pings/
<Exotiraan> Time to paste ze log?
<OpheliaBlue> or PM realdealmagic
<OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic
<OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic
<OpheliaBlue>
<realdealmagic> <_<
<OpheliaBlue> yes Exotiraan thanks
<Chimpertainment> coolio

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Thursday, August 23rd, 8pm-8:30pm CST
• Friday, August 24th, 3pm-3:30pm CST

Spoiler for chat log:

<%Oreoboy1996> i don't have much to talk about
<%melanieb> Hiya
<%Oreoboy1996> hello paigey
<@paigeyemps^> i saw this guy post how he attempts WILD
<@paigeyemps^> and i thought it was very interesting
<kraom> lol
<@paigeyemps^> what he does is
<@paigeyemps^> hold on im just gonna get the link
<@RareCola> haha alright
<%Oreoboy1996> interesting is good
<%Oreoboy1996> i'm interested in interesting things
<&ShockWave> Chimpertainment: on that note, how have your WILD attempts been going? apart from the stuff with itches and saliva
<%melanieb> Sivason also had a good one...I'll share after you do
Exotiraan tried to WBTB this morning but couldn't get back to sleep.
<kraom> maybe I'll have to give WILD another go.. someday
<@paigeyemps^> http://www.dreamviews.com/f13/exciti...4/#post1933705
<Exotiraan> !readpost {flast paigeyemps^: http}
<@paigeyemps^> there we go
<Chimpertainment> WILDs are still pretty difficult..i usually miss the transitional stage tho
<@RareCola> I've been attempting WILD every other day recently. I keep failing
<@paigeyemps^> me too, chimp
<Chimpertainment> maybe 3 experiences since i started in again
<Chimpertainment> 2 months ago
<@paigeyemps^> i've had a hard time putting myself in the dream
<Exotiraan> !readpost {nflast paigeyemps^: http}
Exotiraan :<
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't think imagining myself in a car would be a good idea
<Chimpertainment> yea, i almost had it the other day but the scene kept flickering and morphing
<@paigeyemps^> haha yea oreo
<@paigeyemps^> you will crash it x)
<&ShockWave> Chimpertainment: ahh
<&ShockWave> well that's a good sign I'd say
<&ShockWave> but
<&ShockWave> you shouldn't focus on it too much
<@RareCola> Sorry guys I'm going to have to head off early, I'm sure paige & oreo can keep you folks entertained for the remaining 15 minutes. Promise we'll have a more organised class tomorrow haha
<@RareCola> !away
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<@paigeyemps^>
<&ShockWave> you should keep your focus on whatever you're focusing on (lucid dreaming, whatever)
<@paigeyemps^> seeya jason
<%melanieb> Bye
<@paigeyemps^> anyone wann share a DEILD experience?
<@paigeyemps^> wanna^
<kraom> i think that ive DEILD'd before.
<kraom> not sure
<@paigeyemps^> i almost had a DEILD the other day
Exotiraan has only DEILDed once.
<%Oreoboy1996> my DEILDs aren't very special
<Exotiraan> Which was also the last time I WILDed.
<kraom> i can re-enter my lucid after it ends if that counts..
<kraom> as a DEILD
<%Oreoboy1996> i typically wake up and go straight back into a dream without feeling anything
<@paigeyemps^> i kept still, and saw the dream forming, but i somehow fell asleep
<@paigeyemps^> hehe
<fennecgirl> I kind of DEILDed once
<fennecgirl> but I forgot about transitioning into the dream
<Chimpertainment> shockwave: i typically focus on a mantra, but that day i was wanting to go into a previous dream
<fennecgirl> I still had control, but I didn't actually realize it was a dream until I woke up
<&ShockWave> ahh I see
<kraom> and then a little while ago whenever i imagined something it just happened which was weird. i just imagined it and then poof in a dream
<@paigeyemps^> hmm i was wondering, say you just woke up and ofc still very sleepy, and you attempt to DEILD. so you retain awareness while going into the dream. what happens to the sleepy part?
<@paigeyemps^> if that makes sense
<@paigeyemps^> i mean uhm
<@paigeyemps^> how do you say it in english
<%Oreoboy1996> wut
<kraom> hahaha
<Exotiraan> !lastdj !lastdj Exotiraan 3
<&ShockWave> the sleepy part
<@paigeyemps^> would the sleepiness be gone? you're sleeping right?
<Exotiraan> !short lastdj Exotiraan 3
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<@paigeyemps^> i've never paid attention to that part before
<Exotiraan> That was the lats one I had.
<%Oreoboy1996> i imagine sleepy would remain sleepy
<%Oreoboy1996> if i understand you correctly
<@paigeyemps^> so you're lucid, in the dream....
<@paigeyemps^> you feel sleepy?
<@paigeyemps^> >.>
<%Oreoboy1996> oh no
<kraom> so youre asking if youre sleepy in the dream?
<%Oreoboy1996> well you could feel sleepy
<kraom> that hasnt happened to me
<@paigeyemps^> yea i mean what happens to the sleepy feeling
<@paigeyemps^> sorry im not making much sense lol
<kraom> i felt a crick in my neck once after doing a DEILD
<kraom> that i had when i was awake..
<%Oreoboy1996> unless you're expecting yourself to feel sleepy you won't feel sleepy in a dream
<@paigeyemps^> so i suppose.. once you're in the dream, the physical sleepiness is gone right?
<%Oreoboy1996> yep
<@paigeyemps^> or is sleepiness more of a mental thing?
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<%Oreoboy1996> ehh
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't know
<kraom> well like oreoboy said if you expect to be sleepy you will be
<kraom> if you dont you wony
<kraom> wont*
<Exotiraan> Expectation is *
<%Oreoboy1996> i imagine it's physical, mental, and psychological to some degree
<@paigeyemps^> i wonder how that works, i mean the actual shutting down of your sleepy body once you're in the dream
<Chimpertainment> when you become aware out of a dream, its gonna feel weird
<@paigeyemps^> all at the same time
<%Oreoboy1996> chemicals n stuff
<Exotiraan> Magic Brain Chemicals... or the lack thereof.
<Chimpertainment> that in between time can be strange indeed
<@paigeyemps^> so, sleep paralysis experiences, anyone?
<@paigeyemps^>
<%Oreoboy1996> being squeezed to death
<Chimpertainment> its like tuning a guitar
<%Oreoboy1996> not scary, but very uncomfortable
<Chimpertainment> except im the string being tuned
<Chimpertainment> strings*
<@paigeyemps^> D:
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<@paigeyemps^> lol nice analogy
<hathor28> alright!
<@paigeyemps^> hi hathor
<hathor28> lol
<Exotiraan> paigeyemps^: Sexy.
<fennecgirl> hello hathor28
<hathor28> hi all
<Exotiraan> * Still
<%Oreoboy1996> hello hathor28
<%melanieb> hi hathor28
<hathor28> whats the topic
<%Oreoboy1996> we don't really have a topic
<Chimpertainment> heyo
<%Oreoboy1996> or any organization tonight
<@paigeyemps^> dumdararaaam
<hathor28> lol
<Exotiraan> paigeyemps^: Er... never mind, read something else.
<@paigeyemps^> x)
<Exotiraan> But, actually, that answer is still usually right.
<Exotiraan> (At least for me.)
<kraom> how can it be wrong?
<hathor28> hope i get good dreams tonight, been 2days without any good recall
<kraom> haha
<kraom> yesterday i recalled nothing.. which was crazy.
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<hathor28> all i remember is images flashing by lol
Exotiraan needs to resist the sexy part in those the next time he finds himself in one.
<@paigeyemps^> goodluck hathor
<Exotiraan> Then I won't wake up so soon.
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<hathor28> like a camra film
<@paigeyemps^> lol exo
<%melanieb> I stayed up too late last night and spent too much time on the computer. Messes with circadian rhythms and really hurt my recall
<hathor28> camera*
<kraom> you wont be able to resist the elfmen
<Exotiraan> kraom: They probably wouldn't show up in SP.
<kraom> pppfffftt hallucinations
<@paigeyemps^> when I'm in SP, i usually get this loud pop in my ears
<hathor28> elfmen?
<@paigeyemps^> it's really fascinating
<%Oreoboy1996> oh that reminds me
<kraom> elfmen running rampant
<%Oreoboy1996> i had a hallucination this morning that my dog's severed head was in my bed next to me
<Chimpertainment> I hear a ban saw, and a harley motorcycle..one in each ear...
<@paigeyemps^> :O
Exotiraan just has his touchy-feeling SP demon and the intermittent whoosing noises.
<hathor28> omfg
<Chimpertainment> lol
<&ShockWave> *brum*
<hathor28> O_o
Exotiraan can also still hear stuff happening on the outside (music playing on stereo, etc.)
<&ShockWave> *brum* harleyharleyharleyharleyharleyharleyharley *brum* davidson
<hathor28> lol
<Exotiraan> Though it's not always what it seems to be.
<%melanieb> I hear that in real life sometimes
Chimpertainment stares at exotiraan's touchy-feeling SP demon....
<%Oreoboy1996> luckily i immediately knew i was hallucinating
<@paigeyemps^> the pop thing i hear happens just before the static and ocean noise, kinda like switching to real-time hearing or something
<hathor28> i would freak
<hathor28> weird paige
<@paigeyemps^> sometimes i hear banging on my doors
<@paigeyemps^> or chains dragging on the floor
<Chimpertainment> ooooo
<%melanieb> Neat
<Chimpertainment> 0.o
<@paigeyemps^> it's scary, but i kinda like it
<@paigeyemps^> haha
<kraom> lol
<%melanieb> Nifty imagination
<%Oreoboy1996> i want your sleep paralysis paigey
<@paigeyemps^> then i imagine someone dragging a body across the floor or something
<hathor28> i sometimes hear knock on door
<kraom> well i have to gooooooo bye bye
<@paigeyemps^> awww
<@paigeyemps^> byebye kraom
<kraom> D:
<%Oreoboy1996> bye kraom
<%melanieb> bye
<hathor28> cya kroa
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<hathor28> krao
<hathor28> who likes crying when they wake?
<Chimpertainment> kraos
<hathor28> i hate it
<@paigeyemps^> i dont think i've had that happen to me
<@paigeyemps^> maybe once or twice
<%Oreoboy1996> oh i love crying
<%Oreoboy1996> crying is awesome
<Chimpertainment> been good for me a couple times
<Chimpertainment> bad a few more
<hathor28> i am having it every now and then
<%melanieb> Why do you cry when you wake?
<%melanieb> Or is it just morning tears?
<@paigeyemps^> emotional dreams, i think
<hathor28> real tears
<@paigeyemps^> sometimes i get really intense dreams
<Chimpertainment> sometimes ill be crying in the dream and wake up crying
<hathor28> me 2
<@paigeyemps^> and then i wake up and feel like
<hathor28> same here
<@paigeyemps^> i dunno, it really happened
<%melanieb> Never had it...no experience with it
<@paigeyemps^> Chimpertainment: i hope you dont pee in your dream
<@paigeyemps^> ;D
<Chimpertainment> lol
<hathor28> i did
<Chimpertainment> i used to
<hathor28> and not a drop in bed ahaha
<%melanieb> I peed in my son's PS2 the other night in a dream
<@paigeyemps^> hahaha
<Chimpertainment> had a hard time with that actually
<%Oreoboy1996> i peed on a horde of zombies in a dream ocne
<Chimpertainment> lol
<%Oreoboy1996> once*
<hathor28> ew
<%melanieb> It flooded the PS2...I should have used the PS3 because it has extra storage
<@paigeyemps^> lmao
<Chimpertainment> i used my lucidity to overcome the bed wetting too
<%melanieb> That was my thought process
<@paigeyemps^> awww nice!
<%melanieb> Very good
<&ShockWave> ROFL
<&ShockWave> @ melanieb
<%melanieb> I dream-peed 3 times in that dream and I woke up fine, thankfgully
<@paigeyemps^> my long term goal is getting over my fear of nuns
<Chimpertainment> ya, was able to wake up...then become simoltaneously aware of my body while in dream
<%melanieb> Nuns and babies
<@paigeyemps^> through lucid dreaming
<@paigeyemps^> noooo
<%Oreoboy1996> i can't remember ever wetting the bed
<hathor28> i had a dream (3yrs ago) that i woke up crying and couldn't stop for 20mins
<@paigeyemps^> im not scared of babies
<@paigeyemps^> i love babies!
<%melanieb> 3
<%Oreoboy1996> paigey has even given birth to these things called babies
<hathor28> it was that deeply affected
<Chimpertainment> !sp simultaneous
<%melanieb> I was never a bed wetter, even as a child
<@paigeyemps^> me neither
<%melanieb> Just lucky
<@paigeyemps^> i think?
<@paigeyemps^> x)
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<%melanieb>
<hathor28> i dreamt of birth twice lol
<fennecgirl> wb ophelia
<@paigeyemps^> i gave birth 3 times already
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<%Oreoboy1996> i dreamt of birth a few times
<hathor28> :\
<@paigeyemps^> which reminds me, i still haven't named my third child yet
<%melanieb> You need to
<@paigeyemps^> dunno if it's a boy or girl lol
<fennecgirl> I've never dreamt of giving birth o.O
<@paigeyemps^> it was so...
<@paigeyemps^> surreal
<@paigeyemps^> it wasn't painful, but i could feel this pressure
<@paigeyemps^> and stuff
<Chimpertainment> i pooed out the universe...
<@paigeyemps^> OH AND THE PART WHERE MY WATER BROKE
<Chimpertainment> jk...
<@paigeyemps^> was really interesting
<hathor28> imo dreaming of birth means your mature to have one in real, thats me
<@paigeyemps^> !brb
<hathor28> it's all in the mind and what it tells u
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<Chimpertainment> what if a man has a birthing dream
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't think dreams typically indicate maturity
<Chimpertainment> and he is the woman having the child?
<hathor28> loool
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't want to find out Chimpertainment >.>
<Chimpertainment> its possible, mmkaaay
<%Oreoboy1996> it's possible, but i don't want to D:
<%melanieb> Would giving birth count as surgery if you rip or have a c-section?
<%Oreoboy1996> yes
<hathor28> well i was 25 or so when i had these birth dreams
<Chimpertainment> ugh
<%Oreoboy1996> planning to deliver someone's baby for the totm melanieb?
<Chimpertainment> deliver mine
<Chimpertainment> lol
<Chimpertainment> monkey babiezzzz
<%Oreoboy1996>
<hathor28> lol
<%Oreoboy1996> chimps are not monkeys and i'm sure they take offense to that
<%Oreoboy1996> racist!
<Chimpertainment> chimps would not only take offense, but then rip my face off....
<%Oreoboy1996> actually that's the baboons
<%melanieb> I wish I could be that lucky for TOTM
<%melanieb> Still trying to perform surgery...it was my idea
<%melanieb> *bangs head on chat*
<Chimpertainment> what if you pantimimed it IRL
<%Oreoboy1996> i've done too much surgery
<%Oreoboy1996> pantimimed?
<@paigeyemps^|BRB> !back
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<%melanieb> I think the prob is I'm not really into it
<hathor28> i was thinking of that oreo
<Chimpertainment> yeah...act it out
<%melanieb> I don't like bloody stuff
<@paigeyemps^> D:
<Chimpertainment> make it lemonade blood
<hathor28> i knew surgery "word" was coming
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't have a problem with bloody stuff
<@paigeyemps^> i love bloody stuff, but mostly for medical purposes hehe
<Chimpertainment>
<Chimpertainment> chocolate blood
<hathor28> actually it was from mel
<%Oreoboy1996> i'm pretty much the same as paigey
<Chimpertainment> or just convince yourself to like blood
<hathor28> O-o
<hathor28> so odd i think of something and someone else talks about it
<@paigeyemps^> if you guys come up with WILD/DEILD questions you want answered on the podcast, lemme know so i can relay it to rare and ophie
<%melanieb> I don't mind the concept and I've certainly bled a lot IRL but I have had little luck seeing the blood of others. I get woozy, involuntarily
<%Oreoboy1996> melanieb: i have a plan...
<@paigeyemps^> that reminds me, i need to donate again this weekend D:
<%Oreoboy1996> do surgery with your eyes closed!
<Chimpertainment> you must dissociate yourself from your humanity, lol
<@paigeyemps^> or or...
<%Oreoboy1996> no Chimpertainment, i'm the only one who's allowed to dehumanize himself >.>
<@paigeyemps^> do one of those hightech surgeries where you dont touch the body yourself
<@paigeyemps^> with the robot arms and stuff
<@paigeyemps^> x)
<%melanieb> With my eyes closed...I doubt i could keep my eyes closed that long
<hathor28> i WILL not dissect something in dreams ever, also in real!
<@paigeyemps^> i have dissected toads and frogs so many times i cant count
<%Oreoboy1996> i would
<@paigeyemps^> and they haunt me sometimes
<%Oreoboy1996> depending on the purpose anyways
<@paigeyemps^> in dreams
<@paigeyemps^> but they're friendly in dreams
<%melanieb> I dissected a frog...we gave the organs to each other as Christmas presents in class
<%melanieb> Oh, and a pig
<Chimpertainment> we grind and liquify animals on a daily basis in our bodies...
<@paigeyemps^> hahaha
<%melanieb> Hmmm...ideas popping up for future TOTMs
<Chimpertainment> voodoo dolls....
<hathor28> thats why i dont dissect
<@paigeyemps^> O_O
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't really have any ideas other than the ones i have already mentioned the previous months
<%melanieb> I have a plethora...."plethora"
<Chimpertainment> oh yea, what year?
<@paigeyemps^>
<Chimpertainment> k. that wasnt funny
<%Oreoboy1996> i don't get it
<Chimpertainment> sounds like a car name..
<%melanieb> You don't know what a plethora is?
<fennecgirl> plethora?
<@paigeyemps^> a cornucopia?
<fennecgirl> it means "a lot"
<@paigeyemps^> x)
<%melanieb> ^^^
<%Oreoboy1996> plethora means many ?
<Chimpertainment> it seats like 20 people right
<%Oreoboy1996> i was saying i don't get it to whatever Chimpertainment was talking about
<%melanieb> No one here ever saw the movie The Three Amigos...which sounds about right
<Chimpertainment> all kinds of loeg room...
<Chimpertainment> it also sounds like a pre-historic reptile
<%melanieb> Indeed it does
<Chimpertainment> the deadly plethora...
<%melanieb> Ooh, another TOTM idea
<Chimpertainment> lol
<@paigeyemps^> lmfao
<@paigeyemps^> TOTM idea: be a t-rex and clap your hands
<@paigeyemps^>
<%melanieb> Inspired by chat
<%melanieb> Nothing that easy
<Chimpertainment> who knew
<hathor28> i have plethora dreams
<%melanieb> Is this still a class topic?
<%Oreoboy1996> class technically ended
<%Oreoboy1996> so we can talk about whatever
<%melanieb> Neat
<@OpheliaBlue> as long as it's dream related
<%melanieb> I need to write up some DJ entries for the competition thread and then post scores
<Chimpertainment> dream desserts...
<%Oreoboy1996> nevermind
<%Oreoboy1996> so we can talk about dream stuff
<%melanieb> Anyone going to join the comp next month?
<@paigeyemps^> what will it be?
<Chimpertainment> yea, probably
<%melanieb> Same as this onth's competition
<%melanieb> month's
<%Oreoboy1996> i would love to
<%Oreoboy1996> but i most likely can't
<Chimpertainment> only had one lucid this one
<%Oreoboy1996>
<@paigeyemps^> why not oreo?
<Chimpertainment> so far...
<%melanieb> http://www.dreamviews.com/f136/compe...ad-8-a-135195/ The current thread
<%Oreoboy1996> because i'm too good
<@paigeyemps^> true true
<@paigeyemps^> you are
<@paigeyemps^>
<%melanieb> I was reading your posts from just 8 months ago Oreo
<%melanieb> You didn't have such luck then
<Chimpertainment> they have some pretty hardcore tasks
<%melanieb> I was looking for info on some scoring stuff
<%Oreoboy1996> that was 8 months a go?
<%melanieb> Dec 2011
<@paigeyemps^> i still need to work on my personal dream goals for the month
<%Oreoboy1996> time flies when you're lucid dreaming? O_O
<@paigeyemps^> i still haven't seen an aurora
<@paigeyemps^> or made it snow
<@paigeyemps^>
<%melanieb> http://www.dreamviews.com/f136/old-c...esults-125222/
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<%melanieb> I would like to see an aurora...but I would rather IRL
<%melanieb> Snow would be a neat goal
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<%Oreoboy1996> i suggested snow before
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<fennecgirl> hello burke
<@paigeyemps^> yep, can't see auroras in my part of the world
<Burke> hola
<hathor28> lol
<%Oreoboy1996> hello Burke
<%melanieb> Hmm....another TOTM idea...no, not snow
<@paigeyemps^> though they've always fascinated me
<Exotiraan> /me should have pasted the log a while back ago.
<@paigeyemps^> hey burke
<Exotiraan> !pastelogmark DVA Session
<DemonBot> Posting to Twitter: http://sprunge.us/BKZa - DVA Session - Done. Dream Views Academy (dreamviews_dva) on Twitter
<Burke> hola a vos. tambien
<%Oreoboy1996> you can't see auroras in most parts of the world
<Chimpertainment> TOTM: make ice sculpture....
<fennecgirl> the northern lights are visible from where I live, but barely
<fennecgirl> I watched them once
<%melanieb> The closest they've come to me is about 500-600 miles
<fennecgirl> it was just really faint colours appearing every now and then
<%melanieb> Away from me
<fennecgirl> it wasn't nearly as great as I'd imagined =/
<Chimpertainment> there were aurora in mexico this summer
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<fennecgirl> I'd love to go up somewhere far north to actually have a good view of them
<%melanieb> Alright...I need to handle family stuff.
<fennecgirl> okay... bye melanie
<%melanieb> Be well and I'll be on chat in and out
Oreoboy1996 wishes there was a competition for master lucid dreamers
<Chimpertainment> laterz
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Friday, August 24th, 3pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[14:59:46] <@OpheliaBlue> hello pretty faces!!
[15:00:07] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: Questions and Experiences for the Podcast"
[15:00:27] <Burke> ohey
[15:00:28] <Exotiraan> !tweet Class is in session once again! /join #DVA
[15:00:29] <DemonBot> Posting to: Dream Views Academy (dreamviews_dva) on Twitter - Done.
[15:00:31] <Burke> it's 3
[15:00:35] <%Oreoboy1996> oh forgot about class
[15:00:36] <Exotiraan> ---[ Log Mark: DVA Session ]---
[15:00:44] <@OpheliaBlue> I know I keep using this topic, but RareCola and I are tryign to spearhead this new idea for the podcast, where each episode begins with a Q.A.
[15:00:55] <@OpheliaBlue> oh thanks Exotiraan
[15:01:03] <@RareCola> Oh hey all
[15:01:18] <@OpheliaBlue> we want to share questions and experiences from you guys
[15:01:20] <covlad96> Hellooo
[15:01:33] <@OpheliaBlue> hey covlad96, internet back to normal?
[15:01:34] <Burke> you guys should adress doing WILDs when first going to bed
[15:01:40] <Burke> because there's so many threads on it lately
[15:01:46] <@OpheliaBlue> Burke I always wondered if that was even possible
[15:01:55] <Burke> it is but it results in very poor quality LDs
[15:01:55] <@RareCola> It's possible, definitely, but it's not as easy
[15:01:58] <@realdealmagic> Whats that? Ryan accidentally got here on time?
[15:02:02] <@realdealmagic> Wait, who's ryan?
[15:02:05] <@realdealmagic> Oh yes, it's me!
[15:02:06] <@OpheliaBlue> hey realdealmagic!
[15:02:15] <@realdealmagic> Hello there
[15:02:18] <Burke> no, you're nearly 2 minutes late >
[15:02:19] <%Oreoboy1996> WILDs when you first go to bed almost never work
[15:02:24] <%Oreoboy1996> i was successful once though
[15:02:31] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd say it's for the super WILD man
[15:02:43] <@realdealmagic> I have been here since like 17:00 today.
[15:02:46] <Chimpertainment> im almost there
[15:02:53] <Burke> lies
[15:02:58] <Burke> it's only 16:00
[15:03:03] <Chimpertainment> just keep skipping the transition so i lose awareness
[15:03:04] <Exotiraan> !give Burke today
[15:03:04] <DemonBot> Burke: It is 15:03:05 CDT, and today is Friday, 24 August, 2012: [================---------] (62.7%)
[15:03:13] <@realdealmagic> Silly timezone.
[15:03:15] <@OpheliaBlue> so you newer students, covlad96 and Chimpertainment .. anything you want to share for the podcast? any issues, anything interesting
[15:03:23] <@OpheliaBlue> We're covering WILDs and DEILDs tonight
[15:04:02] <@OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: yeah the transition is something that takes time to get a feel for. I'm STILL learning that.
[15:04:05] <Chimpertainment> ya...my concerns relate mostly with keeping my attention away from my body...
[15:04:06] <covlad96> hmmmm, nothing I can think of right now
[15:04:17] <Chimpertainment> thats usually what throws me off
[15:04:25] Exotiraan is still too busy working in his dream recall.
[15:04:35] <@RareCola> Chimpertainment: I have a really interesting experience with that which I can share when we record the episode tonight.
[15:04:42] <Chimpertainment> cool
[15:05:08] <Chimpertainment> i might try some visual aides soon..just to see what happens
[15:05:09] realdealmagic has made no progress if not backwards progress due to stress and life and stuff like that getting in the way.
[15:05:31] <@RareCola> Don't worry realdealmagic. I think August is just the bane of lucid months
[15:05:35] <@OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic: that's normal... when I'm super stressed, LDs are the first thing to go
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[15:05:53] <@OpheliaBlue> hey areyoume
[15:05:56] <areyoume> yellow
[15:06:05] <@realdealmagic> August is the bane of life months RareCola.
[15:06:13] <@realdealmagic> Shit, nah, I can't speak, I'll depress everyone./
[15:06:18] realdealmagic observes.
[15:06:26] OpheliaBlue gives realdealmagic a prozac
[15:06:34] <@OpheliaBlue> and a hug
[15:06:41] <Chimpertainment> maybe if i depress them more..then you can make them happy?
[15:06:42] <@realdealmagic> Could do with one of those right about now :L
[15:06:53] <@OpheliaBlue> hugs or drugs?
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[15:06:55] <@realdealmagic> You can't depress them more Chimpertainment. I can almost guarantee you.
[15:06:58] <@realdealmagic> BOTH.
[15:07:00] <@RareCola> Haha
[15:07:03] <Chimpertainment> drug hug...
[15:07:06] <@realdealmagic> Did weed last night. Omg. So good.
[15:07:08] <@realdealmagic> Anyhoo.
[15:07:13] <Chimpertainment> mmmmmmm
[15:07:13] realdealmagic observes, and nudges people on topic.
[15:07:22] <Burke> podcast suggestion: drugs and LDing
[15:07:25] <Burke>
[15:07:30] Oreoboy1996 slaps realdealmagic
[15:07:33] <@OpheliaBlue> anyhoo, not many folks in here today that are new, so what would y'all like to discuss
[15:07:47] <@OpheliaBlue> transitions? I know Chimpertainment just mentioned it, and covlad96 is looking into DEILDs
[15:07:51] <@RareCola> Why I've still not become lucid
[15:07:54] <@RareCola> Lol
[15:07:55] <@realdealmagic> Oreo, I've been slapped by you every time I see you now
[15:08:05] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[15:08:10] <covlad96> Yes im planning on setting and alarm tonight and having a go
[15:08:23] <Burke> I've yet to meet someone from DV in a LD
[15:08:30] <@realdealmagic> Does the alarm switch itself up covlad96?
[15:08:45] <@realdealmagic> off*
[15:08:46] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: I haven't a clue. I've been blaming the weather and maybe your sleep schedule and work schedule
[15:08:47] <%Oreoboy1996> i've met a few DV people in dreams
[15:08:48] <Chimpertainment> i met linkzelda...he was a babu
[15:08:52] <Chimpertainment> baby*
[15:08:52] <covlad96> Yep, after 1 minute. Just hope my brother dosent wake up and put me off
[15:09:02] <@OpheliaBlue> Burke: you serious?
[15:09:06] <Burke> yep
[15:09:13] <Burke> though I've met some in waking life
[15:09:16] <@OpheliaBlue> you're not entangled with us enough yet
[15:09:31] <Burke> !postcount Burke
[15:09:34] <@RareCola> OpheliaBlue: Weather's cooled down now and recall is back... just waiting really. I think i've just hit a mental block that I need a battering ram to smash through or something
[15:09:35] <iKiwi> Burke (burke) has posted 1,084 times.
[15:09:35] Chimpertainment releases the entangler...
[15:09:37] <Burke> I think
[15:09:39] <Burke> I am
[15:10:23] <@RareCola> You should incubate one of us
[15:10:27] <@RareCola> God that sounds weird...
[15:10:28] <@realdealmagic> derty
[15:10:29] <Burke> O.o
[15:10:37] Exotiraan obligatorily giggles.
[15:10:37] <@OpheliaBlue> I usually meet who I'm chatting with the most, so lately Jason has had a few cameos haha
[15:10:38] <@realdealmagic> Guize. Guize. RareCola wants incubated. Hehehehe.
[15:10:49] <Burke> fine rarecola
[15:10:52] <@OpheliaBlue> and then staff members in general, oreo the other night
[15:10:53] <Burke> I'll dream about you...
[15:10:53] <Chimpertainment> ive been here a while and only had a dream about someone here when i was trying to have a shared dream...
[15:11:12] <Burke> maybe I'll summon a DVA chat session only meeting face to face
[15:11:17] <@RareCola> Sounds kinky, Burke
[15:11:19] <Burke> like a forum
[15:11:38] <Burke> TotM?
[15:11:48] realdealmagic returns to his corner to try and work out where his life is going.
[15:11:58] <@OpheliaBlue> that would be cool, a real meeting
[15:12:06] <@OpheliaBlue> oreo could slap ryan for real
[15:12:10] <@realdealmagic> It would have to have a corner.
[15:12:11] <Burke> lol
[15:12:13] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[15:12:14] <%Oreoboy1996> yup
[15:12:45] <Burke> everyone get in a big shared dream together! it's cheaper than traveling
[15:12:54] <Chimpertainment> lol
[15:12:55] <@OpheliaBlue> if only
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[15:13:11] <Burke> then we'd prove it too
[15:13:29] <@OpheliaBlue> hi JoeyBelgier
[15:13:46] <JoeyBelgier> Hi there ma'am
[15:14:06] <Chimpertainment> so...when someone is DEILD-ing...do most people go back into a previous dream, or start a new one>
[15:14:19] <Burke> I go back into the old one
[15:14:25] <Burke> but some people go into a new one
[15:14:30] <@RareCola> I go into a random dream
[15:14:38] <Burke> I find it's easier having the dream already visualized and experienced
[15:14:42] <%Oreoboy1996> it could go either way Chimpertainment
[15:14:50] <@RareCola> I usually just wake up in my bedroom or some place close to where I'm sleeping when I DEILD
[15:14:54] <%Oreoboy1996> i usually try to go into a new dream
[15:15:10] <@OpheliaBlue> either one, but alot of people say "I just wanted to continue the dream" so that's probably easier if you don't have something planned
[15:15:11] <%Oreoboy1996> unless something in the old dream killed me, then i want to go back and kill that something
[15:15:19] <Burke> lol
[15:15:30] <Chimpertainment> coolness
[15:15:36] <JoeyBelgier> If I could, I'd try to stay in the same. Kinda build a new realm
[15:16:39] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, as long as you get back into whatever dream in a lucid state, you can then change it to whatever you want, or just get revenge like oreo said
[15:16:47] <Chimpertainment> How do you intentionally wake up after a dream..just mantra before bed?
[15:16:55] <@OpheliaBlue> Mine nearly always start in my bedroom, so I just get up and go wherever
[15:17:13] <@OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: either you cycle naturally, or you can set an alarm
[15:17:33] <Chimpertainment> mmk
[15:17:43] <Burke> Chimpertainment: I had trained myself via MILD and incubation to tell when a dream was ending, become lucid for a split second, and then prepare for a DIELD
[15:17:50] <Burke> but I think I lost it
[15:17:50] <@RareCola> You always wake after a dream, it's jsut a matter of recognising that wakin
[15:18:00] <@RareCola> Auto-suggestion worked well for me
[15:18:01] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't have to set an alarm, because someone always wakes me up, Danny, kids dogs etc
[15:18:22] <Chimpertainment> my problem is i wake up after every cycle...then i move before i even know im awake..
[15:18:37] <Burke> hence the recognition of dreams fading
[15:18:38] <@RareCola> Burke: I had the "become lucid for a split second" thing down for a while too. Really great way to induce DEILDs. Haven't been able to do it recently though.
[15:18:41] <Chimpertainment> right
[15:18:46] <Burke> you get lucid for a second and it allows you to prepare
[15:18:56] <Burke> but I don't count those seconds or so a LD x)
[15:19:07] <Burke> RareCola: I'm in the same boat
[15:19:09] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that'sinteresting Burke
[15:19:25] <Chimpertainment> like an in between
[15:19:31] <@OpheliaBlue> I remember reading somethign about that in Sageous's DEILD tutorial, about recognizing the dream fading sensation
[15:19:38] <Chimpertainment> thats where you can feel reality and the dream simutaneously, yes?
[15:19:40] <@OpheliaBlue> (yes RareCola, I read Sageous's stuff)
[15:19:43] <@OpheliaBlue>
[15:19:44] <Burke> often times, yes
[15:19:44] <@RareCola> Burke: God why is everyone having bad luck with lucidity this month
[15:20:03] <Burke> idk, I had one the other day but I don't remember it
[15:20:11] <Burke> I just have a DJ entry of it
[15:20:13] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm not having bad luck
[15:20:23] <%Oreoboy1996> except for my dreams being disturbing
[15:20:29] <Chimpertainment> im just working at everything..a wee bit at a time
[15:20:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I have noticed it alot in general, I blame the transition from summer to school
[15:20:40] <@OpheliaBlue> heat and stress, all that jazz
[15:20:44] <%Oreoboy1996> and i just suddenly forgot 2 dreams
[15:20:47] <%Oreoboy1996>
[15:20:49] <@RareCola> My only 2 lucid dreams this month have been really short and lacking in control
[15:20:50] <Burke> but... our schools don't start until labor day week
[15:20:52] <Chimpertainment> thats jazz alright..
[15:21:14] <Burke> speaking of which I have AP homework I should do.....
[15:21:24] <Burke> and a book to read
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[15:21:32] <Burke> wtf it's summer, why do I have this stuff >.>
[15:21:42] <Chimpertainment> robert waggoner
[15:21:44] <@RareCola> Haha
[15:21:58] <%Oreoboy1996> for some reason i tried using the door trick to summon one of my dream guides in a dream
[15:22:01] <@RareCola> Anyway folks I need to head off for a bit. Catch everyone later!
[15:22:06] <Burke> bai
[15:22:07] <@RareCola> !away
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[15:22:15] <Chimpertainment> bye
[15:22:18] <%Oreoboy1996> rather than Claire on the other side of the door, i had a shadow figure that jumped out at me
[15:22:26] <Burke> surprise!
[15:22:27] <%Oreoboy1996> and then it killed me -_-
[15:22:43] <Burke> and then you DEILDed and killed it back
[15:22:48] <Burke> because... you know
[15:22:51] <Burke> that's what you do
[15:22:58] <Chimpertainment> lol
[15:22:59] <%Oreoboy1996> maybe
[15:23:01] <%Oreoboy1996> i can't remember
[15:23:06] <%Oreoboy1996> i remember doing a DEILD
[15:23:15] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya RareCola|Away
[15:23:47] <Chimpertainment> i wasted a lucid trying to summon an ex...it summoned my roommate..with a trucker hat and a wig....
[15:23:54] <Burke> rofl
[15:23:55] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[15:24:08] <%Oreoboy1996> oh and i had another hallucination of a decapitated head
[15:24:13] <@OpheliaBlue> oh my
[15:24:14] <%Oreoboy1996> good news is it was a human head this time
[15:24:21] <Burke> yay!
[15:24:23] <@OpheliaBlue> lol what head was it last time?
[15:24:26] <Burke> hallucinations are always fun
[15:24:29] <%Oreoboy1996> my dog's head
[15:24:33] <@OpheliaBlue> awwwww
[15:24:37] <Burke> until they're sounds of your family trying to wake you up[
[15:24:39] <@OpheliaBlue> like something the mafia would do
[15:24:43] <Burke> and then when you open the door nobody's there
[15:24:50] <Burke> and you're like "wtf brain!?"
[15:24:53] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[15:25:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i ignore my family in the morning, so it wouldn't be a problem for me Burke
[15:25:12] <Burke> happened to me twice, I think
[15:25:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I heard my door creak open once when no one was home
[15:25:16] <Chimpertainment> lol
[15:25:25] <@OpheliaBlue> woke me right out of the HI phase
[15:25:58] <Burke> it's hotter then my thermometer can tell....
[15:25:58] <Chimpertainment> do those happen nightly?
[15:25:58] <%Oreoboy1996> oh i remember i did the trade center task of the year thing
[15:26:00] <Burke> >.>
[15:26:13] <%Oreoboy1996> but i forgot actually doing it
[15:26:16] <@OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: no these happen in the morning after a WBTB, and they happen really rarely for me
[15:26:19] <Burke> Oreoboy1996: did you remember a parachute?
[15:26:23] <Burke> because I didn't
[15:26:26] <@OpheliaBlue> they don't disrupt my lucid goals all that much
[15:26:29] <Chimpertainment> oh ok, cool
[15:26:44] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't know Burke, i remember i did it, but i don't actually remember what happened in the dream
[15:26:49] <@OpheliaBlue> they're kinda interesting.. I bet that why people believed in evil things so much in the past, because of these hallucinations
[15:26:57] <Chimpertainment> i used to have that crap when i went to sleep as a kid...
[15:26:58] <@OpheliaBlue> no way to prove they weren't real, but we know better now
[15:26:59] <Chimpertainment> yeah
[15:27:02] <%Oreoboy1996> most likely OpheliaBlue
[15:27:09] <Chimpertainment> told my mom about them, she said they were "the enemy"
[15:27:18] <@OpheliaBlue> haha what?!
[15:27:26] <Chimpertainment> we were vvvvvery christian
[15:27:33] <@realdealmagic> Who pinged me?
[15:27:40] <covlad96> I also used to have them when I was younger too
[15:27:46] <Chimpertainment> the enemy, like demons and satan
[15:28:01] <Burke> satan has better things to do
[15:28:10] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[15:28:13] <Chimpertainment> umm, whatever burke, im special..mmmkaay
[15:28:24] <Chimpertainment>
[15:28:32] <Burke> no, you're family is special for telling you that
[15:28:38] Exotiraan borrows your satan fro a moment...
[15:28:39] <@OpheliaBlue> oh wow
[15:28:43] <Chimpertainment> yes
[15:28:57] <@realdealmagic> nobody's special, we're all the same, destined to go into the shittter at some point, and destined to come out the other end mangled, but having learned something, so that makes it okay.
[15:29:00] <Chimpertainment> I learned to deal tho
[15:29:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I had some mexican friends who were really superstitious, and one guy told me he woke up and saw demons swirling around on his ceiling
[15:29:19] <@OpheliaBlue> I think the poor bastard had some HH and thought they were real
[15:29:20] <Burke> I understand, my family is catholic
[15:29:24] <Chimpertainment> yea
[15:29:30] Exotiraan is disappointed he doesn't get this. :<
[15:29:41] <Chimpertainment> we were pentecostal..
[15:29:43] <Chimpertainment> i was..
[15:29:50] <Chimpertainment> mom still is
[15:29:50] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: I've learned that they fuck off when you actually WANT them
[15:30:01] <@OpheliaBlue> but they haunt you when you DON'T want them
[15:30:05] <@OpheliaBlue> little shits
[15:30:09] <Chimpertainment>
[15:30:10] <@OpheliaBlue> well, they are demons hello haha
[15:30:17] <%Oreoboy1996> well it wouldn't be any fun if they let you have your way
[15:30:23] <@OpheliaBlue> I know right!
[15:30:37] <@OpheliaBlue> god I want to beat one up right now so bad
[15:30:38] <Exotiraan> They could at least compromise.
[15:30:53] <@OpheliaBlue> wasting my LDs trying to find them
[15:31:08] <Chimpertainment> i used to have a recurring dream about the bottomless pit...ended up meeting apollyon, we talked...lol
[15:31:21] <@OpheliaBlue> oh interesting
[15:31:28] <Exotiraan> "Fuck it. I give up." [Walks away.] [Later: suddenly can't move.]
[15:31:33] <Chimpertainment> hes like...you can stay here forever if you want
[15:31:36] <@OpheliaBlue> ok gonna go log chat, then I gotta start dinner

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Monday, August 27th, at 8pm-8:30pm
• Tuesday, August 28th, at 3pm-3:30pm
• Wednesday, August 29th NO CLASS
  
• Thursday, August 30th 8pm-8:30pm
• Friday, August 31st NO CLASS

Monday, August 27th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[02:02] OpheliaBlue: so anyway, how are people's lucid endeavors going? hathor28, I know you mentioned an issue with recall lately
[02:02] Exotiraan: OpheliaBlue: I had one this morning.
[02:02] hathor28: i had dreams last night, recalled one
[02:02] Oreoboy1996: well i don't think i really had any disturbing dreams
[02:02] Exotiraan: And also recalled two dream fragments.
[02:03] Oreoboy1996: and i made my house fly and do a barrel roll
[02:03] OpheliaBlue: Exotiraan: a lucid?
[02:03] RareCola: Had a brief lucid again this morning. I chopped up some carrots and began floating them around the room before waking up after reality checking and attempting to stabilise
[02:03] hathor28: lmao
[02:03] OpheliaBlue: haha cool RareCola
[02:03] hathor28: ya mine is lucid
[02:03] hathor28: oreo's is funnier lol
[02:03] syth406: I had a dream about hacking the chicago train system, and another about eating a piece of a lamp, thinking it was cake.
[02:04] OpheliaBlue: haha
[02:04] Exotiraan: OpheliaBlue: Si. I got lucid when I napped this morning and the SP demon felt me up again, then I went into a bathroom and ended up getting myself sexytimed while being lifted up against the wall.
[02:04] syth406: No lucid
[02:04] Chimpertainment: my recall has been pretty crap the last week..in the process of movin to a new place...
[02:04] OpheliaBlue: hathor28: was it a DEILD?
[02:04] Exotiraan: By a Spanish guy.
[02:04] hathor28: yes i had a deild
[02:04] OpheliaBlue: Exotiraan: I'm jelly, wow.
[02:04] hathor28: recalled one tho
[02:05] RareCola: So September's coming up, does everyone have goals planned?
[02:05] Exotiraan: In the fragments, I saw Oreoboy on Freenode in #archlinux-offtopic and was about to WHOIS him before I woke up, and I broke the motor on my fridge and thought it was going to explode.
[02:06] OpheliaBlue: hathor28: I've been reading about several DEILD successes lately in the Intro class, and I'm interested in how each member goes through the transitions
[02:06] OpheliaBlue: would you mind describing your experience?
[02:06] hathor28: transitions?
[02:06] OpheliaBlue: like, how you go from being awake, then into the dream in a lucid state
[02:06] hathor28: u mean how i go one dream to the net?
[02:06] hathor28: next
[02:07] OpheliaBlue: no, more like,
[02:07] hathor28: wbtb?
[02:07] Oreoboy1996: people keep dreaming about me >.>
[02:07] hathor28: aha
[02:07] Exotiraan: OpheliaBlue: I just lied there in mine and thought about stuff until I felt something rubbing me up.
[02:07] hathor28: who else oreo?
[02:07] OpheliaBlue: the stages, or steps, that you experience, moment to moment, from being awake then into the lucid dream
[02:07] hathor28: oh
[02:08] OpheliaBlue: Exotiraan: oh cool, that's how my 'demons' used to start with me. I could feel myself still in my bed, and having a FA basically, then I could feel someone holding me down
[02:08] hathor28: well the stages for me is easy
[02:08] hathor28: it just goes lol
[02:09] RareCola: It laughs out loud at you?
[02:09] Chimpertainment: lol
[02:09] Exotiraan: Maybe I can coerce it to give me a massage, tonight.
[02:09] OpheliaBlue: hahaha
[02:09] hathor28: but i start imagining things once my eyes are closed then sleep comes then rem etc
[02:09] OpheliaBlue: that took me a minute RareCola
[02:10] RareCola:
[02:10] hathor28: no wonder i had a dream of him again -_-
[02:10] RareCola: hathor28: Does a scene form behind your eyes, do you open your eyes, or do you lose consciousness briefly before waking up in a dream?
[02:10] Oreoboy1996: oh i just remembered an idea for the task of the month i had earlier
[02:10] hathor28: in between rareC
[02:10] fennecgirl: oreoboy: yes?
[02:10] Oreoboy1996: shrink yourself to the size of an insect and explore the world
[02:10] RareCola: Not been able to post in the lucid task club this month </3
[02:11] OpheliaBlue:
[02:11] fennecgirl: I like that idea
[02:11] Chimpertainment: I keep having SP when I first go to sleep...its crazay,,,
[02:12] hathor28: i would be still awake but almost losing consciousness while eyes closed
[02:12] OpheliaBlue: that's cool Oreoboy1996, you should add it to the task club
[02:12] YoureTheOneILoveKen is now known as YoureTheOneILoveKen|Asleep.
[02:12] OpheliaBlue: I just added the one about meeting your parents when they were children
[02:12] RareCola: Do I automatically get wings if that one's picked
[02:12] RareCola: haha
[02:13] Oreoboy1996: sadly no :/
[02:13] OpheliaBlue: you will always have wings, in my heart RareCola
[02:13] hathor28: sometimes i get dream messages from someone else i know concerning emotional problems
[02:13] RareCola: I'm just that angelic to you, OpheliaBlue
[02:13] hathor28: thats what i had last night
[02:14] OpheliaBlue: haha awww, my wittle angel
[02:14] Oreoboy1996: OpheliaBlue: i think you made your suggestions in the august thread
[02:14] Chimpertainment: mmmm....angeldust...
[02:14] Oreoboy1996: it's supposed to go in the september thread
[02:14] OpheliaBlue: was it made yet?
[02:14] hathor28: oh
[02:15] OpheliaBlue: the september thread I mean Oreoboy1996?
[02:15] RareCola: Y'know, I realised lately that lucidity is pretty impossible if you're striving for a lucid dream. You need to be striving for something concrete, rather than the empty thought of a lucid dream
[02:15] Oreoboy1996: oh it was just made today it seems
[02:15] OpheliaBlue: ah ok, thanks.. I'll repost it there
[02:15] OpheliaBlue: I just usually assume Mancon does it
[02:17] RareCola: Quiet tonight :l
[02:17] Oreoboy1996: yep
[02:17] OpheliaBlue: yeaaaah, I was hoping more of the DEILDers would show up tonight
[02:17] OpheliaBlue: we can talk about something else
[02:17] Chimpertainment: does anybody use a special alarm clock for deilds? been wanting to get one of those
[02:17] hathor28: lol
[02:18] RareCola: My DEILDs have always been from natural awakenings
[02:18] fennecgirl: I just use autosuggestion sometimes
[02:18] Oreoboy1996: there are a couple aps i think Chimpertainment
[02:18] Oreoboy1996: but i prefer natural DEILD
[02:18] Chimpertainment: they have like, white noise, and intermitant alarms and goodness and stuff
[02:18] OpheliaBlue: and I will need to split in about 5 minutes (tiny pet emergency) in which I would like more Q&A for the upcoming podcasts
[02:18] fennecgirl: but I tend to wake up anyway, so I don't usually bother with autosuggestion unless I'm actually planning to DEILD
[02:19] OpheliaBlue: Chimpertainment: I just use a regular alarm for WBTB in general
[02:19] hathor28: i dont plan to deild it just happens
[02:19] hathor28: lol
[02:19] RareCola: Speaking of WBTB, how long does everyone stay up for their WBTBs nowadays? I've been extending my lately, with pretty good results
[02:19] Chimpertainment: yea, it seems like the more i relax before bed, the more relaxed ill be when i wake up...
[02:19] RareCola: mine*
[02:19] Chimpertainment: then i wont move and ruin the deild
[02:19] Oreoboy1996: a few minutes for me
[02:19] OpheliaBlue: yeah I was just explaining to Xanous earlier, I don't ever plan for the WILD to start, I just kinda cross my fingers for the vibrations to initiate themselves
[02:20] hathor28: 5mins
[02:20] OpheliaBlue: then I'm home free
[02:20] Oreoboy1996: just long enough for me to make my mind fully aware again and then i go back to sleep
[02:20] hathor28: same here oreo
[02:20] RareCola: Heh, I just read this the other day which gave me the idea to extend my WBTBs: Wakefulness Makes Lucidity More Likely
[02:20] DemonBot: Title: Wakefulness Makes Lucidity More Likely (at lucidity.com)
[02:20] OpheliaBlue: RareCola: I'm not sure about the staying up length, I think I want to start recording this because it's always different
[02:21] Chimpertainment: ive read wbtb with 20 mins awake as a minimum
[02:21] Chimpertainment: and laberge records some of the best results he found in his book
[02:21] Chimpertainment: cant remember that time frame atm
[02:21] Oreoboy1996: i don't think there is really a minimum
[02:22] Oreoboy1996: it's all subjective
[02:22] OpheliaBlue: I did WBTB this morning for about 45 minutes, might have been too long
[02:22] OpheliaBlue: ^^
[02:22] OpheliaBlue: still, it's worth experimenting
[02:22] hathor28: yes
[02:22] OpheliaBlue: everyone is different, and I know I got it right because I'll fell them crazy vibes and hear buzzy sounds
[02:22] RareCola: Pretty solid evidence from the research into extended WBTBs though
[02:23] OpheliaBlue: and my body will feel like it's curling up all weird, then I can open my eyes into an LD
[02:23] RareCola: Recalling back, most of my lucid experiences happened after extended WBTBs too
[02:23] OpheliaBlue: RareCola: I'll definitely check into the link then in a little bit
[02:23] OpheliaBlue: if you endorsed it
[02:24] RareCola:
[02:24] CanisLucidus joined the chat room.
[02:24] OpheliaBlue: ok I have to see about a fish (short story)
[02:24] Oreoboy1996: hello CanisLucidus
[02:24] RareCola: O_o
[02:24] RareCola: H
[02:24] OpheliaBlue: oh daaaaaang, I gotta go then a CanisLucidus appears
[02:24] RareCola: Hey CanisLucidus*
[02:24] OpheliaBlue: hi CanisLucidus
[02:24] CanisLucidus: Hi all!
[02:24] hathor28: canis is latin for dog right?
[02:25] Oreoboy1996: i think so hathor
[02:25] RareCola: We're talking about WBTBs atm, CanisLucidus
[02:25] CanisLucidus: You've got it right hathor
[02:25] hathor28: i think...because i had ancient latin in high school
[02:25] CanisLucidus: Cool cool
[02:25] OpheliaBlue: ok, RareCola, get some questions from these guys for the next podcast! I'll be back on in about an hour if you want to talk about the next script
[02:25] Chimpertainment: yea, nice link
[02:25] Oreoboy1996: you're tricks won't work on me RareCola
[02:25] OpheliaBlue: unless you're in bed then I'll wait until tomorrow
[02:26] Oreoboy1996: i'll never talk >.>
[02:26] hathor28: lol
[02:26] OpheliaBlue: !away
[02:26] OpheliaBlue is now known as OpheliaBlue|Away.
[02:26] RareCola: I'll probably be in bed, OpheliaBlue|Away
[02:26] OpheliaBlue|Away: Exotiraan: please end the log in about 4 min if you don't mind
[02:26] hathor28: what is RareCola doing? Oreoboy1996 ?
[02:26] OpheliaBlue|Away: thanks you all
[02:26] RareCola: Anyway, next podcast (most likely) will be about misc techniques, FILD, HILD, SSILD, etc. Anyone have any discussion suggestions or questions regarding those?
[02:27] Chimpertainment: its been real..as always
[02:27] Oreoboy1996: he's going to try to get questions from us >.>
[02:27] hathor28: u leavin early?
[02:27] hathor28: of?
[02:27] Oreoboy1996: of what he just said
[02:27] hathor28: what questions
[02:27] RareCola:
[02:28] CanisLucidus: Just a good verbal walkthrough of what FILD is like would be great
[02:28] Oreoboy1996: questions relating to the topic of misc techniques such as FILD, HILD, SSILD, etc
[02:28] CanisLucidus: I'll sit here and pretend that I'm not looking up what HILD is
[02:28] Burke joined the chat room.
[02:28] Oreoboy1996: you could ask something like "wtf is a HILD"
[02:28] RareCola: FILD is surprisingly a pretty good technique
[02:28] Oreoboy1996: then again i think that's too general >.>
[02:28] CanisLucidus:
[02:29] RareCola: hey Burke
[02:29] hathor28: ok hild and ssild
[02:29] hathor28: wth
[02:29] Burke: hola
[02:29] CanisLucidus: RareCola, if you've done a fild before, I'd love to hear what your experience was like
[02:30] hathor28: this is about questions
[02:30] RareCola: I've done it a few times but only succeeded once, probably through a fluke. Never really dedicated too much time to it but I've heard great things from multiple sources which I'm sure we can talk about on the podcast
[02:30] hathor28: hild and ssild<
[02:31] hathor28: what is it
[02:31] RareCola: Hypnosis Induced Lucid Dreaming & Senses Induced Lucid Dreaming
[02:31] hathor28: oh, i think i did all that on me
[02:33] hathor28: ook
[02:33] hathor28: lol
[02:33] hathor28: why silent lol
[02:33] CanisLucidus: SSILD is my primary tech but I still have no clue why it works. I'd be interested in hearing why you guys think it might work.
[02:33] RareCola: Anywayyy, I'm going to go ahead and log the chat from here as class is technically over. We can continue talking though
[02:34] hathor28: senses can be anyting
[02:34] RareCola: &I have a lot to talk about with SSILD, CanisLucidus. It's kind of... my most hated technique, but I'll explain that on the podcast

Tuesday, August 28th, 3pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[14:59:39] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[14:59:45] <@OpheliaBlue> shit phone brb
[14:59:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm fine
[14:59:51] <%Oreoboy1996> i think something's wrong with dave though
[14:59:58] <SpaceCowboyDave> GET DOWN ON IT
[15:01:06] hathor28 [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[15:01:23] <hathor28> hi
[15:01:35] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry, it was my boss on the phone
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[15:01:47] <@OpheliaBlue> lol oreo yeah I meant dave
[15:01:51] <SpaceCowboyDave> helllooooo paperplane
[15:01:57] <@OpheliaBlue> hi paperplane
[15:01:57] <%Oreoboy1996> hello hathor28 and paperplane
[15:02:13] <@OpheliaBlue> so not a large class today, so I'll keep it at open discussion
[15:02:20] <hathor28> ok
[15:02:27] <@OpheliaBlue> anything you guys want to discuss or questions to ask in terms of progress?
[15:02:53] <SpaceCowboyDave> Succeeding in lucid dreaming when waking up early for school/work
[15:03:03] <@OpheliaBlue> you are? that's great!
[15:03:10] <SpaceCowboyDave> no I amment
[15:03:19] <SpaceCowboyDave> lookin' for tips
[15:03:20] <@OpheliaBlue> oh haha my bad, I just realized it when I reread it
[15:03:42] <@OpheliaBlue> you know, I only recently had luck with lucid dreaming when I had to wake up early for work
[15:03:51] <Lunatide> Ayo class
[15:03:59] <hathor28> hi
[15:04:05] <@OpheliaBlue> it helps for me, since I have a hard time sleeping sometimes, to set my alarm for 20-30 minutes before I have to wake up
[15:04:32] <@OpheliaBlue> that way I get as much sleep as possible before the WBTB, which makes for a shorter LD, but still worth it imo
[15:05:08] <%Oreoboy1996> school could actually be a good thing for lucid dreaming
[15:05:16] <%Oreoboy1996> since it would motivate you more to get a sleep routine
[15:05:37] <@OpheliaBlue> ssure does
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[15:05:50] <@OpheliaBlue> I should apply the same motivation to my work days hehe
[15:05:54] <%Oreoboy1996> hello areyoume
[15:05:54] <@OpheliaBlue> hey areyoume
[15:05:59] <areyoume> hi
[15:06:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I asked this earlier: [15:02:27] <@OpheliaBlue> anything you guys want to discuss or questions to ask in terms of progress?
[15:06:20] <%Oreoboy1996> assuming you have a good sleep schedule, the only problem really is school stress i think
[15:06:49] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, and for me it's stressing about waking up and not being able to get back to sleep and therefore having not enough hours
[15:06:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I spoil myself on my days off and sleep in as much as I want
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[15:08:08] <@OpheliaBlue> no one feels like talking
[15:08:38] <Lunatide> Hai
[15:08:39] <Lunatide> I do
[15:08:47] <@OpheliaBlue> what about
[15:08:51] <Lunatide> Well
[15:08:57] <@OpheliaBlue> the problem today is not many of the newer students showed up
[15:08:57] <Lunatide> basically
[15:09:11] <SpaceCowboyDave> aye aye aye
[15:09:16] <SpaceCowboyDave> mom interrigated me
[15:09:24] <Lunatide> Would I get better at sword fighting in real life, if i practiced in dreams?
[15:10:13] <SpaceCowboyDave> Couldnt hurt
[15:10:16] <%Oreoboy1996> depends
[15:10:20] <@OpheliaBlue> you know, alot of people wonder about this, in terms of anything really, like music, or sports
[15:10:29] <%Oreoboy1996> there are a lot of different factors to consider >.>
[15:10:50] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd say yeah, couldn't hurt, but I would lean more toward yes, assuming the dream was pretty realistic
[15:10:55] <@OpheliaBlue> and consistent
[15:10:59] <Lunatide> Yeah
[15:11:02] <hathor28> i incubated well last night lol
[15:11:16] <Lunatide> the closest to real life - better practice that pays off.
[15:11:39] <@OpheliaBlue> it would be interesting if your brain interpreted a sword fight in a dream as real enough to maintain the muscle memory that would be associated with it
[15:11:53] <Lunatide> Lol get ripped while you sleep
[15:12:00] <@OpheliaBlue> since your real muscles aren't doing anything in the dream, it would be all based on the brain's interpretation of it
[15:12:07] <SpaceCowboyDave> But if you have never sword-fought in real life
[15:12:07] <hathor28> closed my eyes and kept havin thoughts then it continued while i slept and dreamed of something similar
[15:12:15] <@OpheliaBlue> haha yeah, practice that doesn't hurt you irl
[15:12:17] <SpaceCowboyDave> Your mind wont have anything to base it off
[15:12:28] <Lunatide> I'm getting a sword soon.
[15:12:33] <%Oreoboy1996> your mind will base it off of what you see
[15:12:37] <hathor28> lol
[15:12:43] <@OpheliaBlue> it's all perception, so it's like I said, it would have to be a pretty accurate dream
[15:12:43] <SpaceCowboyDave> *wont have anything accurate
[15:12:46] <Lunatide> So I guess I have a little while to get better at LDing in general
[15:12:46] <SpaceCowboyDave> to base it off of
[15:12:52] <%Oreoboy1996> and then in the dream you'll be as good as whatever you saw and it probably won't help much :/
[15:12:57] <@OpheliaBlue> unless he watches alot of movies
[15:13:06] <Lunatide> I don't watch movies
[15:13:08] <Lunatide>
[15:13:09] <SpaceCowboyDave> seeing and doing are different
[15:13:12] <hathor28> why?
[15:13:18] <SpaceCowboyDave> you could do it like you see it
[15:13:25] <@OpheliaBlue> at the very least, it might lower some of your inhibitions in real life, if you did well in the dream, maybe?
[15:13:31] <SpaceCowboyDave> or you could do it like one would have to do it IRL
[15:13:44] <hathor28> movies is great
[15:13:48] <Lunatide> I'd still manage to find fun
[15:13:48] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm a good sword fighter in my dreams
[15:13:53] <Lunatide> by cutting dream apples
[15:13:53] <hathor28> not much today but some lol
[15:13:55] <%Oreoboy1996> but i get beaten by a 10 year old in real life
[15:14:05] <@OpheliaBlue> awwwww
[15:14:13] <hathor28> what? how?
[15:14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> hope you busted his ass in an LD atleast
[15:14:28] <Lunatide> OpheliaBlue: what is your least favourite fruit, I'll slaughter them in real life and in dreams
[15:14:29] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[15:14:42] <Lunatide> I vote lemons.
[15:14:51] <@OpheliaBlue> Lunatide: you'll slaughter my least favorite fruit?
[15:14:54] <Lunatide> Yes.
[15:15:03] <hathor28> slaughter a watermelon lol
[15:15:10] <@OpheliaBlue> I like all fruit, just not when they are unripe.
[15:15:13] <hathor28> or pumpkin
[15:15:15] <Lunatide> Watermelons are the best to cut
[15:15:21] <@OpheliaBlue> An unripe honeydew melon is like crunchy sadness.
[15:15:24] <hathor28> to stab lol
[15:15:33] <SpaceCowboyDave> My dreams are tooo boring
[15:15:40] <SpaceCowboyDave> I wonder if it is because my life is too boring
[15:15:44] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao
[15:15:50] <@OpheliaBlue> that could be
[15:15:50] <Lunatide> I may just go around killing people's pumpkins with a samurai sword
[15:15:52] <Lunatide> on halloween
[15:16:09] <hathor28> lol
[15:16:15] <@OpheliaBlue> oh fuck you just gave me a great idea fo october's halloween TOTM!!
[15:16:23] <hathor28> XD
[15:16:31] <Lunatide> OpheliaBlue: cut some pumpkins?
[15:16:33] <Lunatide> DO IT
[15:16:34] <@OpheliaBlue> brb I'mma post it
[15:16:38] <Lunatide> okay
[15:16:40] <@OpheliaBlue> no it's way more morbid
[15:16:49] <Lunatide> Do tell
[15:17:10] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I can't until next month, we're just posting ideas for September
[15:17:17] <SpaceCowboyDave> oh
[15:17:17] <hathor28> if i see 100 pumpkins and have one big ass butchers knife i would be happy to slaughter em all LOL
[15:17:22] <@OpheliaBlue> oh but y'all are in the task club right? except for Dave
[15:17:30] <%Oreoboy1996> SpaceCowboyDave: my life isn't very interesting, but my dreams are
[15:18:04] <SpaceCowboyDave> hmmm
[15:18:10] <Lunatide> hathor28: ninja blades are cooler
[15:18:16] <Lunatide> or bowie knives
[15:18:27] <hathor28> blades are too small
[15:18:41] <Lunatide> Ninja baldes average at 1 meter
[15:18:45] <Lunatide> not too bad
[15:18:46] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: is the idea to replace someone's head with a jack-o-lanturn? O_O
[15:19:02] <hathor28> ok depends on the equipment lol
[15:19:03] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^ close! I posted it in september anyway
[15:19:13] kraom [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[15:19:14] <@OpheliaBlue> if you want to see
[15:19:18] <kraom> ahh haaa im here
[15:19:18] <@OpheliaBlue> hey kraom!
[15:19:20] <SpaceCowboyDave> KRAOMMMMMMMMMMM
[15:19:20] <Lunatide> Replace someones' head with a pumpkin
[15:19:21] <kraom> hi
[15:19:22] <Lunatide> and cut it
[15:19:26] <%Oreoboy1996> sounds interesting
[15:19:29] <hathor28> eew
[15:19:30] <kraom> DAVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[15:19:34] <kraom> youre back
[15:19:39] <%Oreoboy1996> i want to replace my own head with a jack-o-lanturn actually
[15:19:40] <Lunatide> Hey kraom
[15:19:42] <SpaceCowboyDave> hey kraom I am shaking with joy
[15:19:48] <hathor28> O_o
[15:19:48] <SpaceCowboyDave> shiver me timbers
[15:19:49] <@OpheliaBlue> ok ok I'll add that to it
[15:19:55] <kraom> hello Lunatide
[15:20:10] <hathor28> hi kra
[15:20:14] <kraom> hi hat
[15:20:18] <hathor28> lol
[15:20:30] <kraom>
[15:20:36] <Lunatide> inb4 december's totm is christmas related
[15:20:43] <Lunatide> rape santas' wife
[15:20:48] <Lunatide> and kill his children
[15:20:54] <%Oreoboy1996>
[15:20:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't think I could sever my own head, I would need to conjur a guillatine
[15:21:02] <hathor28> wow
[15:21:08] <@OpheliaBlue> haha ok Luna
[15:21:28] <hathor28> or use santas sleigh?
[15:21:29] <Lunatide> You MUST do a TOTM that involves a katana or something
[15:21:30] <@OpheliaBlue> we'll definitely have holiday themed TOTMs
[15:21:42] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll ask one of my dream guides to do it
[15:21:42] <@OpheliaBlue> hakuna matata?
[15:21:48] <SpaceCowboyDave> I think
[15:21:49] <Lunatide> Close
[15:21:50] <Lunatide>
[15:21:52] <hathor28> lmao
[15:21:54] Failotiraan guesses he missed class.
[15:21:58] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: yeah, if someone else did it that would work too
[15:22:03] <@OpheliaBlue> that's an experience
[15:22:08] <SpaceCowboyDave> that a TTM for december should be to become Jesus
[15:22:11] <Lunatide> Get your head mutilated
[15:22:13] <Lunatide> okay...
[15:22:14] <@OpheliaBlue> Failotiraan: lol
[15:22:30] <hathor28> no
[15:22:34] <%Oreoboy1996> SpaceCowboyDave: i can already walk on water in my dreams
[15:22:35] <Failotiraan> I took a nap earlier, then woke up from it not too long ago and had a panic attack. :<
[15:22:37] <%Oreoboy1996> does that make me jesus?
[15:22:44] <SpaceCowboyDave> no y
[15:22:49] <SpaceCowboyDave> you need to turn it into wine too
[15:22:54] <Lunatide> no blood
[15:22:56] <Lunatide> actually
[15:23:02] <hathor28> thats moses
[15:23:06] <Lunatide> fuck
[15:23:06] <hathor28>
[15:23:20] <Lunatide> You can tell I'm atheist
[15:23:26] <@OpheliaBlue> Failotiraan: oh I'm sorry, I get those too sometimes. I was reading about that recently, and they say a glass of apple juice helps, because low blood sugar levels drop while you sleep, and that contributes to the panic attack's severity.
[15:23:29] <hathor28> <catholic
[15:23:53] <@OpheliaBlue> or a few pieces of chocolate, whatever you love that's a quick sugar
[15:24:04] <Lunatide> Chocolate
[15:24:08] <hathor28> i can drive in my dreams but dont in real
[15:24:09] <Lunatide> I just tasted it in my mind then
[15:24:15] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, have a few chocolate truffles on your nightstand
[15:24:20] <SpaceCowboyDave> kraom:
[15:24:24] <@OpheliaBlue> hathor28: same here!
[15:24:25] <SpaceCowboyDave> where have you gone good buddy
[15:24:33] <Lunatide> I always eat everything before I sleep ;(
[15:24:41] <hathor28> i mean litterly no car in real
[15:25:08] <@OpheliaBlue> Lunatide: well have the self disclipline to save a bite ir two for when you wake up
[15:25:12] <SpaceCowboyDave> kraom: Baby come back
[15:25:18] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'm talking strictly about alleviating panic attacks
[15:25:40] <hathor28> panic attacks?
[15:25:56] <hathor28> in dreams?
[15:26:04] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, they can be common in some people with anxiety: it is stronger when you wake up
[15:26:08] <SpaceCowboyDave> I want to take a Lucid dreaming class at my college
[15:26:11] <@OpheliaBlue> no I mean just after you wake up
[15:26:23] <hathor28> hmm i dont get that
[15:26:28] <Lunatide> SpaceCowboyDave: do psychology
[15:26:30] <@OpheliaBlue> it's like, the weight of the world consumes you all of the sudden... getting up and moving around a bit helps it go away
[15:26:37] <Lunatide> In the second year, you learn about LDing
[15:26:39] <SpaceCowboyDave> I am taking psych
[15:26:44] <@OpheliaBlue> haven't tried sugar for it yet
[15:26:45] <Lunatide> Okay
[15:26:45] <SpaceCowboyDave> but Im a freshman
[15:26:51] <@OpheliaBlue> you getting all this Failotiraan ? it's for YOU
[15:26:58] <hathor28> lol
[15:27:06] <Lunatide> inb4 oh sorry was on DA
[15:27:09] <SpaceCowboyDave> inb4 Failotiraanleaves abruptly
[15:27:16] <hathor28> lol
[15:27:28] <@OpheliaBlue> haha it's ok, the log will be saved and he can do his homework and read it
[15:27:52] <Failotiraan> OpheliaBlue: Yes. I think it might have been because I pulled another four in the morning and then only got two hours of sleep after that again.
[15:27:54] <Lunatide> He also gets a spanked bottom
[15:27:55] <Lunatide> after
[15:28:03] <@OpheliaBlue> that was a cool question though Lunatide, about sword practice in an LD
[15:28:06] <hathor28> aha
[15:28:10] <@OpheliaBlue> I might remember that for a future podcast
[15:28:13] <Lunatide>
[15:28:16] <Lunatide> awesome
[15:28:27] <Lunatide> I mean, it sound simple enough
[15:28:30] <Lunatide> to practice stances
[15:28:36] <Lunatide> and slices
[15:28:36] <@OpheliaBlue> it's really interesting to think about, even if it isn't all that likely that it would work
[15:29:02] <%Oreoboy1996> speaking of panic attacks, i think i had one a few days ago
[15:29:03] <Lunatide> I may have to try throwing knife practice too
[15:29:13] <@OpheliaBlue> might be better for more cerebral things, like music composition
[15:29:14] <%Oreoboy1996> it sucks >.>
[15:29:14] <@OpheliaBlue> or srt
[15:29:16] <@OpheliaBlue> art*
[15:29:23] <SpaceCowboyDave> srt
[15:29:26] <@RareCola> Oh fuck a monkey, of course I forgot again. Derp. Hi all.
[15:29:32] <%Oreoboy1996> hello RareCola
[15:29:36] <@OpheliaBlue> mercy!
[15:29:37] <kraom> a monkey..
[15:29:38] <Failotiraan> Oh, logs.
[15:29:42] <SpaceCowboyDave> kraom:
[15:29:43] Failotiraan scrolls up.
[15:29:46] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't know who to feel worse for, you or the monkey?
[15:29:50] <kraom> SpaceCowboyDave:
[15:29:53] <SpaceCowboyDave> kraom:
[15:29:55] <Lunatide> Hey RC
[15:29:56] <kraom> SpaceCowboyDave:
[15:29:58] <@RareCola> Lol
[15:30:11] <Lunatide> kraom: SpaceCowboyDave
[15:30:13] <@OpheliaBlue> that's ok, we're wrapping up now, I'll go post the log

Thursday, August 30th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

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[02:04] paigeyemps^ was promoted to half-operator by StacheBot.
[02:04] kraom: mhmm, mhmm
[02:04] paigeyemps^ was promoted to operator by StacheBot.
[02:04] SpaceCowboyDave^: paigeyemps^ : !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:04] Burke: it's only 300 pages and I'm on page 88
[02:04] paigeyemps^: Is there a class right now?
[02:04] kraom: paigeyemps^: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:04] syth406: But then you hammer timed?
[02:04] Oreoboy1996: hello paigey
[02:04] Burke: so it should only take a second
[02:04] paigeyemps^: Hey!!!!!
[02:04] Burke: hi paige
[02:04] paigeyemps^:
[02:04] paigeyemps^: Hi
[02:04] SpaceCowboyDave^: paigeyemps^ : apparently
[02:04] kraom: theres supposed to be i got mah pm
[02:04] SpaceCowboyDave^: although the teacher cant be found
[02:04] • Exotiraan remembers no dreams from last night except for a dream about DemonBot beign an asshole.
[02:04] SpaceCowboyDave^: so we are partying instead
[02:05] syth406: Yep
[02:05] paigeyemps^: I had a really scary dream last night
[02:05] syth406: I'm sick sort of... Didn't remember shit.
[02:05] kraom: aww me too, i fell off my couch :/
[02:05] kraom: lol
[02:05] Oreoboy1996: i also had a somehwat scary dream
[02:05] kraom: that was my dream, or rather false awakening..
[02:06] paigeyemps^: There were lots of nuns, and there was this one nun but her habit was inverted so her face was covered, and she had no arms
[02:06] paigeyemps^:
[02:06] kraom: wut
[02:06] kraom: lol
[02:06] Oreoboy1996: lol
[02:06] paigeyemps^: It wasnt scary when i was dreaming, but when i woke up, i was paranoid
[02:06] kraom: of nuns?
[02:06] Oreoboy1996: !away
[02:06] paigeyemps^: Lol
[02:06] Oreoboy1996 is now known as Oreoboy1996|Away.
[02:07] kraom: i saw a nun the other day..
[02:07] paigeyemps^: Yep
[02:07] paigeyemps^: Im kinda afraid of nuns irl
[02:07] SpaceCowboyDave^: Get dopwn on it
[02:07] SpaceCowboyDave^: flip
[02:07] paigeyemps^: Oooohh another podcast will be out tonight yayy
[02:07] syth406: Is this real?
[02:07] syth406: http://i.imgur.com/QbHcO.jpg
[02:07] kraom: i highly doubt it.
[02:07] kraom: but could be
[02:08] paigeyemps^: Hahaha
[02:08] SpaceCowboyDave^: I think its real
[02:08] paigeyemps^: I heard there was a spider hidden in the upper right corner of the one dollar bill
[02:08] paigeyemps^: But i cant find it, i can only find the owl
[02:08] SpaceCowboyDave^: owl???
[02:08] Oreoboy1996|Away: is that a stack of pancakes?
[02:08] kraom: yep
[02:08] kraom: it is
[02:08] Oreoboy1996|Away: it's not real -_-
[02:09] syth406: Would be so sweet tho
[02:09] paigeyemps^: So how's the dreaming coming along, guys? I missed youuuu
[02:09] Oreoboy1996|Away: i killed a door
[02:09] SpaceCowboyDave^: my dreming will be better
[02:09] SpaceCowboyDave^: sometime
[02:09] SpaceCowboyDave^: I know it
[02:09] kraom: my dreaming you no terrible as always..
[02:09] kraom: know*
[02:10] paigeyemps^: Oreo!!!!
[02:10] kraom: or, good idk one of those two
[02:10] fennecgirl: my recall still kinda sucks =/
[02:10] • Exotiraan is still awaiting the demons, nagas, werewolves, trolls, and elven guys.
[02:10] Oreoboy1996|Away: yes?
[02:10] paigeyemps^: Congrats
[02:10] paigeyemps^: ))
[02:10] paigeyemps^: How did it feel to kill a door finally
[02:10] paigeyemps^: I have one day left for one more lucid D:
[02:10] Oreoboy1996|Away: great
[02:10] Burke: "I can't seem to get into irc at the moment. I'll restart again. I was going to talk about SSILD and other misc induction techniques, in case RareCola is or another apprentice shows up." - Ophelia
[02:10] paigeyemps^: Hope i get lucid tonight for my goals
[02:10] Oreoboy1996|Away: what happens after that one day? D:
[02:11] paigeyemps^: Nothing really
[02:11] paigeyemps^: Hahaha
[02:11] kraom: last day of the month to try
[02:11] Oreoboy1996|Away: oh i thought you were dying of radiation poisoning or something
[02:11] paigeyemps^: Have you guys thought of new lucid goals for september?
[02:11] fennecgirl: Well, there's one day left for the TOTM
[02:11] SpaceCowboyDave^: 21:11:29] <% Oreoboy1996|Away > oh i thought you were dying of radiation poisoning or something
[02:11] paigeyemps^: If not, i suggest you start thinking of stuff:3
[02:11] kraom: september ohhhhhh my.
[02:11] SpaceCowboyDave^: LOL
[02:11] RareCola: oh balls almost forgot about DVA
[02:11] RareCola: 'ello folks
[02:11] paigeyemps^: Hey jason
[02:11] Oreoboy1996|Away: RareCola : you always almost forget
[02:11] paigeyemps^: Lol oreo
[02:11] RareCola: I know
[02:11] kraom: or do forget
[02:11] RareCola: Lol
[02:11] Oreoboy1996|Away: and i don't really have any goals
[02:11] SpaceCowboyDave^: h21:11:29 ] <% Oreoboy1996|Away >Greetings gentleman
[02:12] paigeyemps^: @ the radiation
[02:12] SpaceCowboyDave^: WTF
[02:12] Burke: RareCola: Ophelia sent me a message saying she can't get into irc, talk about SSILD & other misc. induction techniques.
[02:12] RareCola: My lucid goals for september are just to focus more on lucid dreaming again
[02:12] Oreoboy1996|Away: SSILD
[02:12] Oreoboy1996|Away: i don't like it
[02:12] RareCola: Shall we talk about FILD then
[02:12] RareCola: Anyone used it?
[02:12] SpaceCowboyDave^: my lucid goal for september and have a damn lucid my god Im going to have to bust some heads
[02:12] kraom: i used to use SSILD..
[02:12] SpaceCowboyDave^: used?
[02:12] kraom: mhmm
[02:12] Burke: I haven't used any of the lesser known techniques :/
[02:13] SpaceCowboyDave^: you dont do that shit anymore?
[02:13] kraom: i dont really anymore too much work
[02:13] SpaceCowboyDave^: now what do you do
[02:13] kraom: i just have LDs with DILDYDILD
[02:13] Exotiraan: "Bust some heads?" You naughty boy, you.
[02:13] kraom: no work required like a boss.
[02:13] SpaceCowboyDave^: kraid : STFU
[02:13] SpaceCowboyDave^: FUCC
[02:13] Oreoboy1996|Away:
[02:13] kraom: so mean to kraid..
[02:13] kraom:
[02:13] Oreoboy1996|Away: poor kraid
[02:13] SpaceCowboyDave^: lol
[02:14] SpaceCowboyDave^: Im so pissed of at the lucid dreaming god
[02:14] Exotiraan: Kraid is busy in Norfair.
[02:14] kraom: why, because i work so hard and get rewarded
[02:14] kraom: thats right i work hard.
[02:14] Oreoboy1996|Away: lucid dreaming god?
[02:14] RareCola: SpaceCowboyDave^: Just wondering, is your aim to just have a lucid dream at the moment?
[02:14] Exotiraan: kraom: Sounds uncomfortable.
[02:14] SpaceCowboyDave^: I want to lucid dream and ask a DC questions
[02:14] kraom: it is :/
[02:15] SpaceCowboyDave^: so I can learn about myself
[02:15] SpaceCowboyDave^: through my dreams
[02:15] kraom: bah dcs will just babble at you
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[02:15] SpaceCowboyDave^: kraid : bitch please
[02:15] paigeyemps was promoted to operator by StacheBot.
[02:15] SpaceCowboyDave^: SHITTTTY
[02:15] kraom: so mean to kraid
[02:15] kraom: jeez.
[02:15] SpaceCowboyDave^: motherflipper
[02:15] kraom: lol
[02:15] paigeyemps: Sorry bout that
[02:15] • SpaceCowboyDave^ flips a table
[02:15] • kraom corrects the table
[02:15] • Oreoboy1996|Away breaks the table
[02:15] paigeyemps: O.O
[02:16] RareCola: SpaceCowboyDave^: I think you should set up more specific goals to do within lucid dreams, ones that really excite you. What you've got are pretty empty goals.
[02:16] • kraom repairs the table
[02:16] SpaceCowboyDave^: RareCola : I DONT HAVE EMPTY GOALS
[02:16] kraom: i never remember my goals.
[02:16] paigeyemps: >.>
[02:16] kraom: always just boom impulse what am i doing
[02:16] • SpaceCowboyDave^ flips more tables and swears
[02:16] kraom: flying ok..
[02:16] • kraom corrects more tables and cotton swabs everyones ears
[02:16] SpaceCowboyDave^: I have a SPECIFIC goal
[02:16] • paigeyemps flips SpaceCowboyDave^
[02:16] paigeyemps: Stop flipping!!
[02:16] paigeyemps: x)
[02:16] SpaceCowboyDave^: that I WANT to attain
[02:17] paigeyemps: What is it
[02:17] Oreoboy1996|Away: i'm the same way when i'm fully conscious in my lucid dreams kraom
[02:17] SpaceCowboyDave^: And I cant even recall full dreams
[02:17] kraom: although not to say going with the flow or whatever isnt fun
[02:17] SpaceCowboyDave^: fuc the world
[02:17] kraom: its good times.
[02:17] RareCola: Then it's probably your frustration that's stopping you then
[02:17] kraom: but uhh id like to do one of my goals sometim haha
[02:17] kraom: sometime*
[02:17] SpaceCowboyDave^: Ive tried to be positive with it
[02:17] paigeyemps: I had another dream last night where i was floating in a room, and i couldn't get down or get out
[02:18] SpaceCowboyDave^: Ive tried to expect that I will LD
[02:18] paigeyemps: So i ended up stuck crawling on the ceiling
[02:18] paigeyemps: 0.0
[02:18] Oreoboy1996|Away: kraom : i like to incubate my goals in a way that i can do them while going with the flow of the dream
[02:18] kraom: ohh i should try that
[02:19] RareCola: I read something the other day and had some luck with it. Instead of saying to yourself "I will have a lucid dream" for example, say to yourself "I will try my best until I have a lucid dream". For people who are slightly less self-confident, trying your best enforces the idea better than trying to convince yourself that you WILL have a lucid dream. Negates the fall-down if you don't succeed too.
[02:19] RareCola: walloftext
[02:19] paigeyemps: Lol
[02:19] kraom: tl;dr
[02:19] paigeyemps: Nice
[02:19] kraom: jk i did.
[02:19] paigeyemps: Me too
[02:19] SpaceCowboyDave^: sounds intresting RareCola
[02:20] paigeyemps: Well before i go
[02:20] paigeyemps: I must tell you about my last dream
[02:20] RareCola: Dooo it
[02:20] SpaceCowboyDave^: go
[02:20] kraom: youre leaving me! :O
[02:20] SpaceCowboyDave^: wait dont Go
[02:20] kraom: shh dont listen to them.
[02:20] • Exotiraan sprinkles more nagas into paigeyemps' future dreams.
[02:20] • SpaceCowboyDave^ flips a table
[02:20] • kraom corrects table
[02:20] paigeyemps: There were these--no im just gonna log in to DV lol---reallllly tall chinese twins
[02:20] • SpaceCowboyDave^ flips the damn thing again
[02:20] • RareCola glues tables to the ground
[02:20] paigeyemps: And i was walking, and they followed me, and for no reason started kicking me
[02:21] Oreoboy1996|Away: lol
[02:21] paigeyemps: Until the dream ended because my leg hurt irl
[02:21] RareCola: TALL asians?
[02:21] • SpaceCowboyDave^ keeps trying
[02:21] paigeyemps: LOL
[02:21] kraom: lol
[02:21] kraom: haha
[02:21] kraom: what dicks.
[02:21] • Exotiraan blows up C4 under table.
[02:21] Exotiraan: Dicks? Where?
[02:21] paigeyemps: When i woke up, my leg was hanging by the side of the bed
[02:21] paigeyemps: Haha
[02:21] Exotiraan: Er, what?
[02:21] kraom: you dont see the elves?
[02:21] Oreoboy1996|Away: paigey, it sounds much better than having a leg torn off and then feeling it in real life >.>
[02:21] kraom: the nude elves?
[02:21] SpaceCowboyDave^: Yvonne?
[02:21] kraom: well thats odd.
[02:21] paigeyemps: :S
[02:21] RareCola: Haha paige
[02:21] Oreoboy1996|Away: and i'm going to keep complaining about having my leg torn off for about a week
[02:22] paigeyemps: Ohhh how was the dream wife thing going, dave?
[02:22] SpaceCowboyDave^: SHITTY
[02:22] paigeyemps: And kraom and caenis who is not here atm
[02:22] SpaceCowboyDave^: JUST LIKE ALL OF DREAMING
[02:22] • SpaceCowboyDave^ facekeyboards
[02:22] kraom: whoa well i can never do a goal
[02:22] paigeyemps:
[02:22] Oreoboy1996|Away: negativity will get you nowhere SpaceCowboyDave^
[02:22] • paigeyemps hugs Dave
[02:22] Oreoboy1996|Away: (slightly hypocritical)
[02:22] kraom: although i did talk to a dc that didnt run away!
[02:22] kraom: :O
[02:23] SpaceCowboyDave^: where is caenis?
[02:23] kraom: i have no idea.
[02:23] SpaceCowboyDave^: did he give a reason for his absence
[02:23] paigeyemps: Oh nice kraom
[02:23] RareCola: He's disappeared off the face of the earth
[02:23] Oreoboy1996|Away: radiation poisoning strikes again
[02:23] paigeyemps: You should try hugging one!
[02:23] RareCola: I don't think he gave a reason
[02:23] kraom: youre right i should.
[02:23] RareCola: Last I heard Ophelia was trying to chase him up
[02:23] SpaceCowboyDave^: lol kraid you perv
[02:23] SpaceCowboyDave^: I mean oops
[02:24] RareCola: So much hate towards kraid
[02:24] • Exotiraan hates that his simple little dream task is so hard. :<
[02:24] Oreoboy1996|Away: poor kraid
[02:24] kraom: hugging a dc = perv?
[02:24] SpaceCowboyDave^: you shoulnd hug people who dont want to be hugged
[02:24] SpaceCowboyDave^: then you end up like my aunt
[02:24] kraom: oh yea ima do that.
[02:24] kraom: no i dont want my DCs to be mad
[02:24] SpaceCowboyDave^: Dude I know what you should do
[02:24] kraom: that girl i talked to the DC, that was after i almost ran her over.
[02:24] kraom: woops.
[02:24] paigeyemps: You can hug them, and grab their ass
[02:24] paigeyemps: Looool
[02:24] SpaceCowboyDave^: rofl shhhhh
[02:24] paigeyemps: Which happened to me once
[02:24] paigeyemps: In a nonlucid
[02:24] Oreoboy1996|Away:
[02:24] paigeyemps: A dc hugged me
[02:24] paigeyemps: And grabbed my ass
[02:24] RareCola: kraom: can't you just like... freeze them to the floor so they don't run away?
[02:25] RareCola: paigeyemps: O_o
[02:25] kraom: i did that once yea
[02:25] kraom: but i feel like a dick.
[02:25] kraom: haha
[02:25] SpaceCowboyDave^: kraom : You should practice seducing ur DCs
[02:25] kraom: lool
[02:25] • Exotiraan has seen tons and tons and tons and tons of the creatures he wants to see in his dreams in artwork and whatnot IRL, but very, very, very rarely sees them in his dreams and wonders why that si.
[02:25] SpaceCowboyDave^: how does a dick feel exactly
[02:25] SpaceCowboyDave^: Im just wondering
[02:25] Exotiraan: * is
[02:25] SpaceCowboyDave^: I mean
[02:25] RareCola:
[02:25] kraom: you should know.
[02:25] kraom:
[02:25] paigeyemps: DC SEDUCTION FTW!
[02:25] paigeyemps: I mean..ehehehe
[02:25] SpaceCowboyDave^: BURNED
[02:25] SpaceCowboyDave^: I should try seducing DCs
[02:26] SpaceCowboyDave^: in my future lucid
[02:26] kraom: but nah i dont wanna seduce my DCs.
[02:26] RareCola: Exotiraan: I've had issues with that too. I've tried going into my own artwork in my dreams but it never works out very well
[02:26] SpaceCowboyDave^: why not
[02:26] kraom: i just want. a nice DC to talk to
[02:26] SpaceCowboyDave^: thats what they all say, kraom
[02:26] paigeyemps: Yea why not
[02:26] paigeyemps: Hahaha
[02:26] paigeyemps: That sounds like omegle
[02:26] paigeyemps: Loooool
[02:26] kraom: omegle..
[02:26] kraom: lolz
[02:26] RareCola: kraom: Craft your own frankenstein's monster!
[02:26] SpaceCowboyDave^: I just wanted to talk...
[02:26] SpaceCowboyDave^: but then I had a few drinks
[02:26] SpaceCowboyDave^: ...
[02:27] paigeyemps: Brb logging in to dv and checking stuff and all
[02:27] SpaceCowboyDave^: "but I'm not ready for a kid"
[02:27] RareCola: o_O
[02:27] kraom: so hopefully i can stop and do a goal sometime
[02:27] kraom: like have an actual conversation with my DC
[02:27] SpaceCowboyDave^: well kraom seriously now
[02:27] Exotiraan: RareCola: Sometimes, I think it is 'cause of the whole 'not young anymore' thing, but not sure. :p
[02:27] SpaceCowboyDave^: what is the flippin secret to LDing kraom
[02:27] kraom: the one i talked to was all scared that she was almost killed i mean.
[02:28] kraom: come on
[02:28] RareCola: Not young anymore thing?
[02:28] kraom: the secret. alright here goes.
[02:28] kraom: you just have to... no care
[02:28] Exotiraan: (And, by 'not young anymore,' I mean 'almost 23' as aopposed to 'just turing fifteen or sixteen.')
[02:28] kraom: :O
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[02:28] RareCola: There is no secret, that's the secret
[02:28] kraom: not care*
[02:28] kraom: well for me.
[02:28] RareCola: Exotiraan: I don't think age has anything to do with creativity
[02:28] kraom: i just dont think about it and if i have one cool if not. oh well
[02:28] kraom:
[02:29] SpaceCowboyDave^: STFU
[02:29] SpaceCowboyDave^: WHAT IS THE SECRET
[02:29] kraom: you asked.
[02:29] Exotiraan: RareCola: Well, I can visualize it fine. I just can't ever seem to dream about it.
[02:29] kraom: im terrible at visualization QQ
[02:29] kraom: D:
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[02:29] SpaceCowboyDave^: Well I heard an intresting WILD tech that I will try
[02:30] kraom: i hate WILDS
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: its where you do a WBTB
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: and then you visualize
[02:30] kraom: never work
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: about boobs
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: or ass
[02:30] kraom: lool.
[02:30] Exotiraan: And I'm not sure what changes so much while I'm awake or asleep that makes that so hard when I'm asleep.
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: or whatever you choose
[02:30] RareCola: Exotiraan: I think it's more of a matter of bringing your waking consciousness fully into a dream. It's hard enough to remember lucid goals in a dream sometimes, let alone remembering a whole scene, in detail, to conjure.
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: and it might work
[02:30] kraom: uh huh
[02:30] Oreoboy1996|Away: how is that even supposed to wrok dave?
[02:30] kraom: thats interestin
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: it keeps your attention up if you think about intresting stuff
[02:30] SpaceCowboyDave^: like boobies
[02:31] Oreoboy1996|Away: if you think about interesting stuff, you won't fall asleep easily
[02:31] SpaceCowboyDave^: I have no trouble falling asleep
[02:31] SpaceCowboyDave^: after a WBTB at 6 hours sleep
[02:31] kraom: another reason i dont like WILD. i can never go back to sleep
[02:31] Exotiraan: If you have to try to think about it, you won't go to sleep.
[02:31] SpaceCowboyDave^: I can get to sleep great
[02:31] Exotiraan: Active thinking keeps you awake.'
[02:31] SpaceCowboyDave^: waking up on the other hand
[02:31] SpaceCowboyDave^: you are actively thinking in an LD
[02:31] kraom: i dont haha
[02:32] kraom: im just like lolwut dream time to do things
[02:32] kraom: thats actually my problem. i dont think.
[02:32] SpaceCowboyDave^: lol
[02:32] kraom: ://
[02:32] SpaceCowboyDave^: Yvonne
[02:32] SpaceCowboyDave^: you gotta find her
[02:32] SpaceCowboyDave^: or another blonde will do
[02:32] Exotiraan: SpaceCowboyDave^: But you're already asleep by then.
[02:32] kraom: the DC i talked to was blonde. pretty nice stuff
[02:32] SpaceCowboyDave^: Exotiraan : STFU it will work
[02:32] SpaceCowboyDave^: BITCH
[02:33] Exotiraan: !nou
[02:33] DemonBot: Actually, the thing that you have just accused me of is more applicable to yourself.
[02:33] kraom: so hostile
[02:33] SpaceCowboyDave^: meh
[02:33] kraom:
[02:33] RareCola: I had a weird experience this morning. I thought I was in a dream and became lucid, but then I realised I was just intensely visualising a scene. I guess HI or something.
[02:33] kraom: in my FA this morning i fell off my couch.
[02:33] kraom: and hit the tile.
[02:33] kraom: :.
[02:33] kraom: then woke up for realz
[02:34] RareCola: interesting
[02:34] kraom: also had a lucid but not to the level id like.
[02:34] fennecgirl: RareCola: I had that happen once; I realized I wasn't actually dreaming when I tried to move and ended up moving my real body
[02:34] kraom: therefore doesnt count.
[02:34] RareCola: I had an FA today for the first time in ages actually. I woke up, came downstairs and my mum was sitting there holding a random baby.
[02:34] kraom: lol
[02:34] fennecgirl: that woke me up -.-
[02:34] SpaceCowboyDave^: !brb pee and ice cream
[02:35] SpaceCowboyDave^ is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB.
[02:35] RareCola: fennecgirl: Yea it's really quite cool that you can visualise so intensely while still awake
[02:35] RareCola: I guess if you could realise without pulling yourself out of the trance you could quite easily go into a dream
[02:35] kraom: my lucid was uhh pretty fun this morning i became aware started trying to telekinesis didnt work thought maybe i was awake saw a disgusting toilet in my bathroom then woke up.
[02:36] kraom: that toilet.
[02:36] kraom: O_O
[02:36] RareCola: Anyway folks I'm going to log the chat as I need to head off
[02:36] RareCola: So thanks for coming~
[02:36] kraom: bai bai!
[02:36] fennecgirl: kk, bye RareCola

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Monday, September 3rd, 8pm-8:30pm CST
• Tuesday, September 4th, 3pm-3:30pm CST

Monday, September 3rd, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:59:23] <Mindraker> hiya!
[19:59:28] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Mindraker
[19:59:35] <Exotiraan> ---[ Log Mark: ]---
[19:59:37] <@OpheliaBlue> hey!
[19:59:39] <Exotiraan> ---[ Log Mark: DVA Session ]---
[19:59:45] <@OpheliaBlue> potty real quick then I'm here
[19:59:52] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks Exotiraan as always
[19:59:55] <Mindraker> Hi Oreoboy1996, Hi OpheliaBlue
[20:00:13] <SpaceCowboyDave^> HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[20:00:17] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I just met yall
[20:00:22] <SpaceCowboyDave^> oh wait
[20:00:42] <SpaceCowboyDave^> whats the topic
[20:01:07] <Mindraker> Dunno, just got here
[20:01:09] <@RareCola> Ello ello
[20:01:20] <Mindraker> "Have you seen Lizard Man in your dreams?" lol
[20:01:27] <%Oreoboy1996> no
[20:01:37] <@RareCola> I floated above my bed this morning. Interesting experience.
[20:01:39] <Exotiraan> I am increasingly getting that feeling now, when I wake up, that feels like I know what went on.
[20:01:57] <Exotiraan> Even if I don't actually remember the specific events, I sort of have an idea.
[20:02:13] <@RareCola> That's great Exotiraan, do you journal those feelings too?
[20:02:24] <Mindraker> Oh... I *really* want to try one of those sensory deprivation bins... there's a spa near my house, and I am going to check it out if it's still open
[20:02:26] <Exotiraan> I've been slacking on the journal for a few days.
[20:02:38] <Exotiraan> This morning, I only remember the contents of the last dream I had before waking up.
[20:02:40] <@RareCola> You should journal, enforces in your mind that dreams are important
[20:02:43] <Mindraker> I was in the pool, floating on my back, and I said, "you know, I just got to try this out..."
[20:03:00] <Mindraker> I was thinking about the guy that was floating in the river that got found by the police.
[20:03:01] <Exotiraan> It was about art and censorship.
[20:03:09] <@RareCola> Sensory deprivation bins
[20:03:10] <@RareCola> ?
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[20:03:26] <@RareCola> welcome fennecgirl
[20:03:30] <@OpheliaBlue> ok back
[20:03:32] <fennecgirl> hello ^_^
[20:03:37] <Mindraker> Oh yeah, you go in a spa... it's basically a bathtub, but it's completely enclosed and you float in it
[20:03:44] <@RareCola> Ohhh right yea I've heard of it
[20:03:45] <Mindraker> It's soundproof and dark
[20:03:49] <@RareCola> I'd imagine it's a great place to WILD
[20:03:49] <%Oreoboy1996> hello fennecgirl
[20:03:53] <Mindraker> Right
[20:04:10] <SpaceCowboyDave^> ok so
[20:04:11] <SpaceCowboyDave^> WILD
[20:04:18] <SpaceCowboyDave^> how do you do it
[20:04:20] <SpaceCowboyDave^> and not fail
[20:04:33] <@RareCola> You find the way that suits your own personal self
[20:04:35] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: Misc. Induction Techniques"
[20:04:48] <@OpheliaBlue> Perfect timing
[20:04:49] <SpaceCowboyDave^> how do you do that if you always fail?
[20:05:10] <Mindraker> Lots of practice, and find what works for you. For some reason, my body just wakes itself up about once every hour and a half, and that's what works for me.
[20:05:11] <@RareCola> We're going to talk about this on the podcast, but there is no "perfect" way to do any technique. We all view reality in different ways, so you just have to trial and error until you find something that works for you
[20:05:21] <@OpheliaBlue> Tomorrow, RareCola and I are recording a podcast on misc induction techniques
[20:05:31] <%Oreoboy1996> SpaceCowboyDave^: you learn from your mistakes
[20:05:40] <@RareCola> Mindraker: I've been getting a lot of that waking up recently too actually, but mine are a lot closer together, sometimes even waking up every 30 minutes
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[20:05:57] <@RareCola> Welcome Chimpertainment
[20:05:58] <Mindraker> Wow, I'd wake up exhausted, RareCola, if I did that
[20:06:04] <@OpheliaBlue> Anyway, for today's class, I was curious about you guys' personal approaches to attaining lucidity. You know, what works for you?
[20:06:08] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Chimpertainment
[20:06:09] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Chimpertainment
[20:06:10] Chimpertainment curties
[20:06:13] <@RareCola> Tell me about it, that may actually be why I've been tired recently, Mindraker
[20:06:22] <@RareCola> not sure why it's happening
[20:06:26] <Chimpertainment> *curtsies(sp) whatevs
[20:06:31] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:06:59] <Mindraker> Still haven't perfected lucidity, but I'm getting damned good at dream recall.
[20:08:00] <Chimpertainment> what is our topic for today
[20:08:19] <Mindraker> "Miscellaneous induction techniques"
[20:08:20] <@RareCola> "OpheliaBlue: Anyway, for today's class, I was curious about you guys' personal approaches to attaining lucidity. You know, what works for you?" is the topic
[20:08:29] <Chimpertainment> kewl
[20:08:48] <SpaceCowboyDave^> did caenis die
[20:08:51] <@RareCola> It's interesting how everyone has their own DILD/WILD variants
[20:08:55] <SpaceCowboyDave^> or did he get a life or something
[20:09:01] <@OpheliaBlue> For example, a few members have been having success with SSILD
[20:09:12] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I am still gonna try my boob induced WILD
[20:09:17] <%Oreoboy1996> i daydream of lucid dreaming while practicing awareness
[20:09:28] <%Oreoboy1996>
[20:09:30] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm still attempting my new SWYSIYMILD
[20:09:38] <Chimpertainment> ssild...i am having trouble recalling that one
[20:09:47] <Mindraker> I'm finding that no matter how hard I try to do a WILD, I'm finding that my best dreams are when I go *back* to bed after waking up in the middle of the night.
[20:09:50] <@RareCola> Caenis has been swept away by the fairies of lucid dream land. He's currently taking a brief vacation in Zion.
[20:09:54] <%Oreoboy1996> senses induced lucid dream Chimpertainment
[20:09:59] <Chimpertainment> aah
[20:10:14] <Chimpertainment> how does that compare to say FILD?
[20:10:27] <Chimpertainment> as far as mechanics i mean
[20:10:33] <@RareCola> SSILD is a MILD technique. FILD is a DEILD
[20:10:44] <@OpheliaBlue> hang on, what's the second "s" for in SSILD
[20:10:45] <SpaceCowboyDave^> nah FILD is more like WILD
[20:10:45] <@OpheliaBlue> ?
[20:10:52] <%Oreoboy1996> DEILD is WILD dave
[20:10:53] <SpaceCowboyDave^> SenSes
[20:10:54] <@RareCola> They made it SSILD because SILD was taken for something
[20:11:03] <Chimpertainment> Super induced
[20:11:08] <SpaceCowboyDave^> duh oreo
[20:11:19] <@OpheliaBlue> I thought so, but I've never seen a SILD
[20:11:19] <Chimpertainment> super special
[20:11:24] <@OpheliaBlue> will look it up later
[20:11:37] <@RareCola> FILD isn't a WILD, it's done directly after waking from a dream. It's literally a DEILD with fingers involved
[20:12:16] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[20:12:19] <SpaceCowboyDave^> nope
[20:12:23] ShockRage`_`|Away waves at the students, Doctor Cola, and Professor Blue
[20:12:31] <@OpheliaBlue> hi ShockRage`_`|Away
[20:12:32] <Chimpertainment> believe it or not ive used FILD for entering SP when i first go to sleep
[20:12:39] Exotiraan also remembers that he was asked to sign something and was trying to write his name and kept erasing, trying to draw the glyphs correctly.
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[20:12:43] <@RareCola> Doctor Cola, I like it.
[20:12:44] Oreoboy1996 is sad he doesn't get to be the doctor
[20:12:49] <%Oreoboy1996> hello hathor
[20:12:52] <hathor28> hi
[20:12:59] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I wonder if Kraom will show up
[20:13:02] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy, you have a PhD
[20:13:07] <hathor28> lol
[20:13:08] <Chimpertainment> dayaaam
[20:13:12] <Exotiraan> It was like when you have to sign for a package and you're trying to write your name on that signing tablet they give you.
[20:13:13] <&ShockRage`_`|Away> RareCola: a little play on Doctor Pepper there
[20:13:22] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:13:24] <@RareCola> I noticed
[20:13:32] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I have problems waking up for WBTB
[20:13:37] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I think thats my main problems now
[20:13:38] <Chimpertainment> i think my most successful lucid tek is mild
[20:13:39] <SpaceCowboyDave^> with dreaming
[20:13:41] <@OpheliaBlue> how come Dave?
[20:13:47] <hathor28> i induct well
[20:13:47] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I either ignore my alarm
[20:13:51] <SpaceCowboyDave^> or just lose all intrest
[20:13:52] <@OpheliaBlue> I mean, an alarm doesn't work?
[20:13:55] <@OpheliaBlue> oh
[20:14:01] <SpaceCowboyDave^> its just a screwy process
[20:14:08] <SpaceCowboyDave^> if my alarm actually goes off
[20:14:15] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I get up and turn it off without thinking
[20:14:18] <Exotiraan> If you can go to bed at the same time all the time, you can learn to not depend on the alarm.
[20:14:19] <Mindraker> an alarm would be too much of a jolt for me
[20:14:25] <SpaceCowboyDave^> or I make a half ass attempt at something
[20:14:26] <@RareCola> Have some motivation to get up for your WBTB. I've seen some people not drink anything for a while before bed so when they wake up at WBTB time they're really thirsty and have to get up for water
[20:14:27] <SpaceCowboyDave^> and fall asleep
[20:14:35] <%Oreoboy1996> clearly the solution is to build an alarm that triggers a gun to shoot pellets at you
[20:14:36] <Exotiraan> You can just simple say in your mind that yuo will wake up in this many hours and wake up in that many hours.
[20:14:44] <Exotiraan> I used to be very good at that.
[20:14:50] <Exotiraan> But I FUBAR'd my sleep schedule.
[20:14:54] <hathor28> i had a long weekend, work plus tired= no dreams
[20:14:56] <SpaceCowboyDave^> Yea but even that isnt fool proof at all
[20:14:58] <Mindraker> My goofy neighbor is actually just the right amount of a jerk -- his music downstairs shakes the bed *just* enough to wake me up without me losing my concentration on the dream.
[20:15:24] <Chimpertainment> NILD...neighbor induced
[20:15:29] <Mindraker> HAHAHA
[20:15:31] <%Oreoboy1996> NILD already taken >.>
[20:15:37] <Mindraker> JILD --> jerk induced
[20:15:37] <Chimpertainment> by me..
[20:15:40] <Chimpertainment> lol
[20:15:41] <%Oreoboy1996> Nightmare Induced Lucid Dream
[20:15:45] <Exotiraan> When I started using the alarms, instead of me waking up when the alarm goes off, after the second day, my brain tries to predict when the alarm is going to go off and wake up withing ten minutes of it. ;P
[20:15:46] <hathor28> eff my neighbors
[20:16:03] <Exotiraan> * within
[20:16:06] <@RareCola> Because the sub-conscious hates being shocked awake, Exotiraan
[20:16:08] <hathor28> they never come to my dreams or i drem of them w/e
[20:16:08] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I set my alarm for my boob induced dream last night
[20:16:09] <@RareCola> Really interesting
[20:16:18] <SpaceCowboyDave^> but I dont even remember what happened
[20:16:29] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I may be sleep walking to the alarm
[20:16:35] <@OpheliaBlue> haha, well the point is, like Jason said a bit ago, all these misc techniques are really just methods to help make a DILD or WILD more siccessful
[20:16:37] <Mindraker> My brain is actually starting to dream about time now, too
[20:16:37] <Chimpertainment> so im assuming you will need some help with that spacecowboy?
[20:16:40] <@OpheliaBlue> successsfulzk;sdhfzjkjdfh
[20:16:52] <%Oreoboy1996> seizure?
[20:16:56] <SpaceCowboyDave^> yes Chimpertainment
[20:16:58] <@OpheliaBlue> only a little bit
[20:16:59] <hathor28> i dreamt of time lol
[20:17:02] <@RareCola> SpaceCowboyDave^: I tend to find that happens when you set an alarm too often. Do you set it every night?
[20:17:13] <hathor28> watching the clock
[20:17:13] <SpaceCowboyDave^> not nessesarily
[20:17:21] <SpaceCowboyDave^> maybe 50%
[20:17:23] <SpaceCowboyDave^> or more
[20:17:29] <@RareCola> And after how many hours of sleep do you set your alarm?
[20:17:33] <hathor28> and saying oh crap i got to wake up lol
[20:17:38] <@RareCola> and do you have a stable sleep schedule, going to bed and waking up at the same time every single day?
[20:17:41] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I have experimented with all sorts of times
[20:17:50] <SpaceCowboyDave^> 5 hours to 8 hours
[20:17:51] <%Oreoboy1996> i wasted a couple lucids in a similar way hathor28
[20:18:10] <Mindraker> We do have inner body clocks... what are they called... circadian rhythms or something like that
[20:18:10] <hathor28> ya kinda odd
[20:18:27] <%Oreoboy1996> i wake up thinking i'm going to oversleep
[20:18:29] <@RareCola> I'd say choose one WBTB time, stick to it for a week and see how it feels. Depending on how it feels, adjust it 20 minutes either way of your initial time.
[20:18:33] <%Oreoboy1996> and then find out it's still 6am
[20:18:44] <hathor28> haha not me
[20:18:45] <SpaceCowboyDave^> how long should I stay awake
[20:18:49] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I think that is key
[20:18:55] <hathor28> i woke up a few times late!
[20:18:56] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I think I need to do longer WBTBs
[20:19:16] <%Oreoboy1996> it's a personal thing SpaceCowboyDave^
[20:19:28] <SpaceCowboyDave^> cause I can ALWAYS fall asleep
[20:19:33] <@RareCola> Well according to the lucidity institute, out of the lucid dreamers they experimented with, the best WBTBs were waking up 1 hour before their normal wake-up time. Staying up for 1 hour then going back to bed at the time they would normally wake up.
[20:19:36] <hathor28> im like fuck my dream was right
[20:19:53] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry if I have asked this before, but you have had a lucid dream before SpaceCowboyDave^, right?
[20:20:06] <SpaceCowboyDave^> Ive had 13 shitty ones
[20:20:19] <@OpheliaBlue> lol what happened in those shitty ones, how did they start?
[20:20:26] <SpaceCowboyDave^> lemmie look
[20:20:35] <Exotiraan> In before "nekkid chicks."
[20:20:37] <Chimpertainment> positivity man...lol
[20:20:42] <@OpheliaBlue> lmfao exo
[20:20:45] <%Oreoboy1996> unless something horrible happened in them, i wouldn't call them shitty
[20:20:58] <hathor28> its like obe and i watch the real time clock in my dreams lol
[20:21:00] <@OpheliaBlue> I didn't mean what happened in the dream, I meant how he successfully induced them
[20:21:05] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I know
[20:21:13] <@OpheliaBlue> ok
[20:21:25] <Chimpertainment> why do people get shiny text colors and i dont...waaa
[20:21:40] <SpaceCowboyDave^> they were all DILDs
[20:21:43] <Mindraker> It's OK, Chimpertainment, we still love you.
[20:21:44] <%Oreoboy1996> because you didn't download kvirc
[20:21:48] <%Oreoboy1996> and a color script
[20:21:51] <SpaceCowboyDave^> using either the typical RCs
[20:21:55] <SpaceCowboyDave^> or other things
[20:22:04] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I never "just became lucid"
[20:22:07] <Chimpertainment> is that supposed to make me feel better????
[20:22:08] <SpaceCowboyDave^> for no apparent reason
[20:22:17] <%Oreoboy1996> Chimpertainment: no
[20:22:18] <Chimpertainment> k..im dun
[20:23:14] <@RareCola> I'm really not sure what else to recommend Dave
[20:23:18] <SpaceCowboyDave^> rofl
[20:23:19] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I failed
[20:23:23] <Chimpertainment> my mantra for tonight...mindraker will give me a lucid dream....repeat...
[20:23:26] SpaceCowboyDave^ Im sorry
[20:23:38] <SpaceCowboyDave^> !brb Ice cream to make me feel better
[20:23:39] <@RareCola> I think you just need to stay persistent, keep a stable sleep schedule and BE POSITIVE
[20:23:39] SpaceCowboyDave^ [[email protected]] is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB
[20:23:43] <SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB> ok ok
[20:23:44] <Mindraker> There you go, stay optimistic.
[20:24:04] <Chimpertainment> paste smileys on the ceiling....
[20:24:10] <hathor28>
[20:24:15] <hathor28> lol
[20:24:27] <@RareCola> So how's everyone else's lucidity been going?
[20:24:33] <@RareCola> I know people have had a lot of luck over this weekend
[20:24:35] <@RareCola> reading the workbooks
[20:24:36] <hathor28> good
[20:24:41] <fennecgirl> I haven't had any LDs in awhile
[20:24:42] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, when I ignore my failures, I LD better
[20:24:42] <%Oreoboy1996> i've been less focused lately
[20:24:49] <%Oreoboy1996> probably because i completed my major goal
[20:25:04] <@RareCola> fennecgirl: Why's that? You used to lucid dream quite frequently didn't you?
[20:25:05] <fennecgirl> my dream recall's been below average lately, too, but it's been improving over the last couple nights
[20:25:11] <@OpheliaBlue> I mean, if I can't learn anything from a failed LD, then I just cut my losses and move on, after all, what loss is there really in not having a lucid dream
[20:25:28] <Chimpertainment> fear
[20:25:30] <@RareCola> Indeed, after all, you still got your practice in
[20:25:52] <Mindraker> I don't see a non-lucid dream as a failure... even a non-lucid dream is your brain processing all kinds of thoughts and emotions...
[20:25:53] <@RareCola> fennecgirl: Don't suppose it's anything to do with the summer heat? Seems it's affecting everyone
[20:26:00] <fennecgirl> RareCola: It seems to come in phases for me. I'll have frequent LDs for maybe around a week, then I just stop having them. That's usually followed by a drop in recall, too.
[20:26:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i had a fully conscious lucid last night
[20:26:04] <Chimpertainment> expectations are powerful
[20:26:09] <Mindraker> You should pay attention to your non-lucid dreams as well
[20:26:13] <%Oreoboy1996> all i did was play with a machine gun and change night to day and back
[20:26:19] <%Oreoboy1996> didn't enjoy it much
[20:26:30] <Chimpertainment> true that mindraker
[20:26:35] <@RareCola> Ah yea, I get that too fennecgirl. Really frustrating
[20:26:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i think a lot of people work like that fennecgirl
[20:27:08] <%Oreoboy1996> i even used to do that i think
[20:27:11] <fennecgirl> Since my recall seems to be back up again, that (hopefully) means I'll be getting lucid again soon.
[20:27:35] <@RareCola> I'm hoping the same. I had about 3 instant-wakeup lucid dreams last night
[20:27:44] <@RareCola> Usually that sort of thing signals a lucid on the horizon
[20:28:08] <@OpheliaBlue> very true
[20:28:23] <SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB> !back
[20:28:24] SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^
[20:28:25] <SpaceCowboyDave^> OH SHIT
[20:28:28] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I got my ice cream
[20:28:31] <SpaceCowboyDave^> and chat ends
[20:28:40] <@OpheliaBlue> so before we wrap things up, any questions or experiences you guys want us to mention in tomorrow's podcast?
[20:29:19] <Chimpertainment> i can haz cheezburger?
[20:29:26] <%Oreoboy1996> when i was shooting the machine gun it was powerful enough to make me bounce around and lose control of the gun
[20:29:34] <@RareCola> Do any of you DVA class members even listen to the podcast?
[20:29:36] <@RareCola> Haha
[20:29:36] <%Oreoboy1996> and break a few windows
[20:29:43] <Chimpertainment> i listen to all of them
[20:29:45] <fennecgirl> not yet
[20:29:47] <Chimpertainment> they are very cool
[20:29:55] <%Oreoboy1996> i've listend to most of them
[20:29:57] <fennecgirl> I've been meaning to get around to it, but I always forget about the podcast
[20:30:02] <@RareCola> Ah awesome, Chimpertainment
[20:30:06] <Chimpertainment> im a big fan of listening rather than reading..lol
[20:30:17] <Mindraker> I don't have a pod
[20:30:25] <@RareCola> don't have a pod?
[20:30:28] <Mindraker> an ipod
[20:30:31] <%Oreoboy1996> it's on youtube Mindraker
[20:30:33] <@RareCola> You don't need one
[20:30:34] <Mindraker> oh
[20:30:38] <Chimpertainment> heh
[20:30:39] <Mindraker> ... behind the times
[20:30:40] <Chimpertainment> heh
[20:30:43] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I would rather read, myself
[20:30:44] <@RareCola> LOL
[20:30:57] <fennecgirl> I'm the same way
[20:30:58] <SpaceCowboyDave^> hearing people on the internets voices scares me
[20:31:01] <@RareCola> dreamviewspodcast - YouTube -- all the episodes are right there
[20:31:01] <Chimpertainment> begon bookworm
[20:31:02] <DemonBot> Title: dreamviewspodcast - YouTube (at YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.)
[20:31:11] <Chimpertainment> i love books too
[20:31:24] Mindraker starts to wonder if his dreams of his Dad are trying to tell him something about being behind the times
[20:31:32] <Chimpertainment> mmmmm
[20:31:37] <Chimpertainment> yezzzz
[20:31:51] Mindraker crawls behind his pile of books
[20:32:20] <SpaceCowboyDave^> you would think that after all this time
[20:32:24] <Chimpertainment> what kind of pre-sleep rituals to people use?? thats what id like to know
[20:32:24] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I would stumble into an LD
[20:32:47] <Chimpertainment> im trying to develop one i can use anywhere, consistently
[20:32:54] <Mindraker> Well, I take off my shoes, then my socks, and I rub off all the sock fuzzies...
[20:32:56] <Chimpertainment> perhaps using an object of some kind
[20:32:57] <%Oreoboy1996> Chimpertainment: i change into my pajamas, crawl into bed, and then daydream until i got to sleep
[20:32:58] <@RareCola> I tend to find you don't stumble into LDs, you have to really want them. Getting that "butterflies in your stomach" excitement is really key to have easy lucid dreams.
[20:33:31] <Chimpertainment> I have a feeling using something like a religious ritual before bed could really help lucidity and recall
[20:33:34] <@RareCola> Chimpertainment: I pretty much do what Oreo does, but I set up my dream journal, sometimes read a book, etc.
[20:33:54] <@RareCola> Of course, before bed techniques are the best thing to help with recall and lucidity
[20:33:55] <%Oreoboy1996> i just remembered i haven't finished reading my book
[20:34:01] <%Oreoboy1996> haven't read it in a while
[20:34:10] <%Oreoboy1996> it was good for dream incubation too
[20:34:27] <Chimpertainment> teks are cool..im just thinkin of adding some more to it
[20:34:44] <SpaceCowboyDave^> damn I have school starting at eleven tomorrow
[20:34:47] <Chimpertainment> make it like a good 20min prep ya know
[20:34:49] <SpaceCowboyDave^> so much for LD techs
[20:34:52] <Mindraker> Nice
[20:35:19] <Mindraker> My nighttime preps usually are probably very familiar, like brushing my teeth, undressing, checking if the doors are locked, closing the windows...
[20:35:30] <Mindraker> it's all the stuff everybody else does
[20:35:35] <%Oreoboy1996> SpaceCowboyDave^: i go to an online school where i can start working anytime i want
[20:35:44] <%Oreoboy1996> and i don't even sleep til near 11 -_-
[20:35:46] <Chimpertainment> ya...i think my idea is in dream yoga territory
[20:35:46] <@OpheliaBlue> ok logging chat now, thanks guys

No Classes This Weekend

Instead, your extra assignments while I'm away are to listen to this mini podcast Back to School, since this recent change in routine affects most of you. After listening, think about ways you can keep your lucid dreaming chops up during the school year, and post them in your workbook. Classes will reconvene on Monday.

Have a great weekend!

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Monday, September 10th, at 8pm-8:30pm
• Tuesday, September 11th, at 8pm-8:30pm

Monday, September 10th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[20:01:44] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[20:01:53] <@OpheliaBlue> eeeeasy Jackson
[20:02:06] <SpaceCowboyDave^> !brb
[20:02:07] SpaceCowboyDave^ [[email protected]] is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB
[20:02:20] <@OpheliaBlue> ok smarty pants, why did you !brb
[20:02:48] Chimpertainment|Away [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[20:02:57] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Chimpertainment
[20:03:00] <Chimpertainment|Away> howdy
[20:03:07] <Chimpertainment|Away> wats crackin
[20:03:21] <@OpheliaBlue> not much, just waiting to see if folks are around and got the PM I just sent
[20:03:21] JoeyBelgier throws his bag out of the window.
[20:03:34] <Chimpertainment|Away> cool
[20:03:43] <SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB> !back
[20:03:44] SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^
[20:04:20] <@OpheliaBlue> wb davey
[20:04:29] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I wonder how accurate the information they spew at me in psychology class will be about dreaming?
[20:04:41] <@OpheliaBlue> so quick question, both of you just started back to school?
[20:04:45] <@OpheliaBlue> I know dave has
[20:04:52] <@OpheliaBlue> what about you Chimpertainment?
[20:04:56] <Exotiraan> DVA Started?
[20:05:02] <Exotiraan> Oh, right.
[20:05:05] <SpaceCowboyDave^> ...
[20:05:08] <@OpheliaBlue> yeppers, sorry forgot about the twitter
[20:05:19] <Chimpertainment|Away> i will be starting winter quarter, so thats a few months away
[20:05:20] <JoeyBelgier> (Me starts first year of college in 13 days)
[20:05:35] <SpaceCowboyDave^> wow thats late
[20:05:37] <Exotiraan> School started for me two weeks ago.
[20:05:37] <SpaceCowboyDave^> where are you at
[20:05:41] <Chimpertainment|Away> community college
[20:05:46] <Exotiraan> But I am taking all classes online. Whee.
[20:05:46] <Chimpertainment|Away> seattle wa
[20:05:47] <SpaceCowboyDave^> me too chimp
[20:05:57] <SpaceCowboyDave^> but I meant JoeyBelgier
[20:06:00] <@OpheliaBlue> so do you guys still try to LD when school starts back up?
[20:06:05] <JoeyBelgier> Belgium
[20:06:06] <JoeyBelgier> Lol
[20:06:14] <SpaceCowboyDave^> hellz yes
[20:06:17] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I couldnt in HS though
[20:06:28] <SpaceCowboyDave^> cuz it was too early
[20:06:28] <Chimpertainment|Away> I have to get my finacials in order before registering...yeah LDing is something im gonna try to stay consistent with for the forseable future
[20:06:35] <JoeyBelgier> High school starts on 1st of september or nearest monday in september and college starts late september
[20:06:36] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I couldnt get my sleep schedule to adjust
[20:06:41] <Chimpertainment|Away> hopefully the rest of my life
[20:06:53] <SpaceCowboyDave^> oh well that would explain it
[20:07:09] <Exotiraan> My sleep schedule is still screwed.
[20:07:20] <SpaceCowboyDave^> Like I couldnt really do much today because class started at 9
[20:07:22] <@OpheliaBlue> it's easier once you start working a job regularly I think, I usually have the same off days
[20:07:22] <Exotiraan> I'm back to my going-to-bed-at-0400-and-later habit.
[20:07:28] <SpaceCowboyDave^> but tomorrow class starts at 11am
[20:07:33] <JoeyBelgier> I woke up around 4pm and it's 3am now
[20:07:36] <SpaceCowboyDave^> so I can squeeze in a WBTB
[20:07:39] <@OpheliaBlue> easier to adjust to than having school, then summer, then school again, repeat
[20:07:55] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that's good Dave
[20:08:13] <@OpheliaBlue> anyone happen to catch the podcast on back to school?
[20:08:19] Exotiraan is going to try to get online classes for everything applicable.
[20:08:21] <Chimpertainment|Away> not yet
[20:08:26] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I actually saw that.
[20:08:36] <Exotiraan> !give RareCola all the sexy-voice
[20:08:36] <DemonBot> RareCola: You have all of the the sexy-voice. All of it.
[20:08:43] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yeah, because I sounded funny in it lol
[20:08:57] <JoeyBelgier> How long do podcasts exist?
[20:08:58] <@OpheliaBlue> and yes, he has the voice of sexy
[20:09:03] <Chimpertainment|Away> sexy voice is all the matters right?
[20:09:04] <JoeyBelgier> I have never used one xd
[20:09:29] <Chimpertainment|Away> !here
[20:09:29] Chimpertainment|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Chimpertainment
[20:09:30] <@OpheliaBlue> they've been around a while I think Joey, if that was what you were asking
[20:09:43] <@OpheliaBlue> at any rate, here it is for those who haven't listened yet: http://www.dreamviews.com/f158/dream...3/#post1939261
[20:09:51] <Chimpertainment> word
[20:09:56] <JoeyBelgier> Ey, people say my voice is cool too. Just give me text and I'll ramble all night long xdd
[20:10:17] <SpaceCowboyDave^> Im afraid of audio
[20:10:33] <JoeyBelgier> ?
[20:10:35] <SpaceCowboyDave^> ok not true
[20:10:35] <Chimpertainment> i used to record my own talk shows on cassette tape as a kid
[20:10:44] <Chimpertainment> i would do all the voices
[20:10:46] <@OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: haha I did too!!
[20:10:50] <Chimpertainment> nice!
[20:10:53] <@OpheliaBlue> mine were more like musicals though
[20:10:59] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I did a talk show in high school
[20:11:01] <Chimpertainment> lol
[20:11:04] <Chimpertainment> very cool
[20:11:20] <SpaceCowboyDave^> an hour a week of pretending to be rush limbaugh
[20:11:23] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yeah, I was wanting to do a nightmare episode in the near future Chimpertainment
[20:11:29] <Chimpertainment> sweet!
[20:11:30] <JoeyBelgier> I sometimes sing in German when I'm drunk at the bar!
[20:11:30] <SpaceCowboyDave^> and then I spun records for another hour
[20:11:39] <Chimpertainment> ive been working on some material
[20:11:40] <@OpheliaBlue> maybe a minisode, if you wanted to be on it
[20:11:48] <Chimpertainment> i would love that
[20:11:54] <Chimpertainment> i just need to buy a headset
[20:12:00] <Chimpertainment> this weekend i shall do just that
[20:12:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll PM you after class about it then
[20:12:07] <@OpheliaBlue> and cool!
[20:12:10] <Chimpertainment> awesome
[20:12:57] <@OpheliaBlue> so how man hours of sleep at night do you guys generally need for successful LDing? and are you able to keep it up when school starts?
[20:13:54] <Chimpertainment> maybe...6hrs minimum..and yes..my sched will allow 8hrs nightly
[20:13:55] <SpaceCowboyDave^> apparently I sleep along time
[20:14:10] <SpaceCowboyDave^> 8 hours min
[20:14:20] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I notice that when I do keep pulling those 0400 and later sleeps that I remember my dreams better.
[20:14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I do too.. I've only had successful LDs on 4-5 hours of sleep about 3 times lol
[20:14:26] <JoeyBelgier> My third and last LD has been months
[20:14:29] <JoeyBelgier> (((
[20:14:53] <@OpheliaBlue> aww really? do you keep a workbook JoeyBelgier?
[20:15:20] OldBottomCracker|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OldBottomCracker
[20:15:30] <JoeyBelgier> Well, no :/
[20:15:46] <JoeyBelgier> I barely think of it anymore during thr dmmm
[20:15:55] <JoeyBelgier> During the day, tbh*
[20:16:27] <SpaceCowboyDave^> this water bottle smells like fish
[20:16:33] <JoeyBelgier> I used to RC a while ago, but it just doesn't come to my mind anymore
[20:16:48] <SpaceCowboyDave^> So OpheliaBlue
[20:16:53] <SpaceCowboyDave^> you say you dont do RCs
[20:16:59] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry, I'm having fucking issues at home
[20:17:20] <SpaceCowboyDave^> like in my last LD I knew I was dreaming for no apparent reason
[20:17:21] <@OpheliaBlue> and these DVA chats aren't really popular anymore so it might be time to stop doing them
[20:17:26] <@OpheliaBlue> at least for a few months or so
[20:17:28] <SpaceCowboyDave^> meh
[20:17:43] <SpaceCowboyDave^> that one I was at last time seemed to have people
[20:17:44] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, to answer your question Dave with a question,
[20:17:46] <Chimpertainment> joeybelgier: try focusing on LD like you are trying to use mind powers before you sleep. Willpower with intent is another way of saying it..even if you have poor dream skills it tends to activate lucidity
[20:18:00] <SpaceCowboyDave^> Do you just know?
[20:18:03] <@OpheliaBlue> do you mean RCs when awake? or in a dream to check for lucidity? or both?
[20:18:30] <JoeyBelgier> When awake
[20:18:30] <@OpheliaBlue> ah ok, yes I *mostly* just know now, but just this morning I did one in a dream
[20:18:48] <@OpheliaBlue> when I start a dream in my bed in my room, it could easily be a false awakening
[20:18:48] <JoeyBelgier> I have only done RC's whilst asleep a few times, and they actually failed
[20:19:00] <@OpheliaBlue> so I checked my hands, and sure enough, part of a finger was missing lol
[20:19:10] <Chimpertainment> opheliablue: i like chat, its really helpful to have a real conversation with people i think
[20:19:12] <JoeyBelgier> Hah
[20:19:14] <SpaceCowboyDave^> o i c
[20:19:53] <@OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: we'll see, I may just do a poll or something
[20:20:00] <SpaceCowboyDave^> has DVA been slower in general?
[20:20:05] <Chimpertainment> You could always have one of your minions do the busy work
[20:20:08] OldBottomCracker [[email protected]] is now known as OldBottomCracker|Away
[20:20:13] <@OpheliaBlue> DVA on the forum hasn't, but in irc it has
[20:20:22] <SpaceCowboyDave^> there must be a reason
[20:20:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I guess when school starts back people are more busy, so they don't make time for chat, but they can reply to their workbook at any time
[20:20:42] <Chimpertainment> true
[20:21:02] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I suppose
[20:21:42] <SpaceCowboyDave^> yea maybe boil it down to once a week
[20:21:51] <SpaceCowboyDave^> on a sunday night or something
[20:21:52] Exotiraan has not given his workbook any love in a while.
[20:21:57] <Exotiraan> Or DJ.
[20:22:01] <SpaceCowboyDave^> shame
[20:22:03] <SpaceCowboyDave^> shame
[20:22:04] <@OpheliaBlue> it will help when I get some new apprentices as well, since all but one either died or got promoted
[20:22:33] <Chimpertainment> I could be apprentice, can anyone apply?
[20:22:51] <Exotiraan> I want my dreaming abilites that I had back so bad. :<
[20:22:53] <SpaceCowboyDave^> what about RC
[20:23:11] <Exotiraan> I was doing so good until the height of the panic attack stuff.
[20:23:22] <Chimpertainment> RC imo is directly related to dream signs
[20:23:25] <@OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: not yet, but I'm thinking of making it an application thing in the future. Right now it's more of a hand-pick/vote thing
[20:23:32] <Chimpertainment> when you spot a dream sign in waking life, its good to RC
[20:23:42] <Chimpertainment> oh ok
[20:23:51] <@OpheliaBlue> I think so, I still do one when I see something REALLY weird
[20:24:14] <@OpheliaBlue> but just being more hyper aware when something weird happens, or you see a dream sign in waking life, is the most important
[20:24:26] <@OpheliaBlue> RCs in the day are just a way of bumping up your awareness
[20:24:31] <SpaceCowboyDave^> I guess thats what my WBTBs give me
[20:24:35] <SpaceCowboyDave^> awareness for some reason
[20:25:02] <Exotiraan> Maybe when/if I go off to work, my recall and dream stuff will get better.
[20:25:06] <@OpheliaBlue> that's good, that's what it's supposed to do, bring you out of that sleep delerium somewhat, making you a bit more aware, but still sleepy enough to go back to sleep
[20:25:40] <Exotiraan> The disadvantage to not taking physical class is that I have to stay at home all the tme. :<
[20:26:01] <Chimpertainment> i bet babies dream like bosses, with all those naps
[20:26:15] <@OpheliaBlue> having goals for your lucid dreams also helps, like didn't you finally have a rendevous with a demon recently Exotiraan?
[20:26:23] <@OpheliaBlue> haha chimp, probably!
[20:27:21] <SpaceCowboyDave^> Im always sleepy enough to go back to sleep
[20:27:24] <SpaceCowboyDave^> thats the good thing
[20:27:32] <SpaceCowboyDave^> well within an hour after getting up that is
[20:27:38] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I rememeber, recently, having an alien dream that had some things involved, although it wasn't in my favor.
[20:28:10] <Chimpertainment> goals never work for me unless i get super psyched about them right before bed
[20:28:40] <Chimpertainment> if i want them bad enough, they seem to happen or an opportunity presents itself in some way
[20:28:44] <SpaceCowboyDave^> !bbr
[20:28:47] <SpaceCowboyDave^> !br
[20:28:51] <SpaceCowboyDave^> goddammit
[20:28:52] <Chimpertainment> unacceptable dave
[20:28:55] <SpaceCowboyDave^> !brb
[20:28:55] SpaceCowboyDave^ [[email protected]] is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB
[20:28:59] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Exotiraan sorry to hear hehe
[20:30:01] <Chimpertainment> Im totally going to the totm tonight
[20:30:31] <Chimpertainment> the looking for water thing was brilliant opheliablue
[20:30:43] <Chimpertainment> i was thinking i had to change the entire scene, lol
[20:30:55] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks man, and honestly, I got lucky with that river
[20:31:05] <Chimpertainment> whatever
[20:31:13] <Chimpertainment> luck does not exist in my book
[20:31:18] <@OpheliaBlue> I wasn't looking for it in this morning's LD, I wasn't even looking to get lucid, just get some sleep because I had a bad night last night
[20:31:31] <Chimpertainment> ya
[20:31:43] <@OpheliaBlue> haha fair enough, the water probably appeared because deep down I wanted to find it, but it wasn't an active thought
[20:31:53] <SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB> !back
[20:31:54] SpaceCowboyDave^|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as SpaceCowboyDave^
[20:31:55] xanous [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[20:31:57] <@OpheliaBlue> that may actually make it easier
[20:31:57] <SpaceCowboyDave^> ice cream barrrr
[20:32:06] <SpaceCowboyDave^> hey xanous
[20:32:17] <@OpheliaBlue> thsi is why I stress for folks to think about their to-do lists in the day, they really come back to you in your dreams
[20:32:18] <Chimpertainment> still, your powers are impressive
[20:32:21] <@OpheliaBlue> hey xanous!
[20:32:35] <xanous> Howdy
[20:33:02] <@OpheliaBlue> I've had yearrrrrs of practice, and y'all are part of the reason. My LD abilities improved leaps and bounds after teaching the Intro class
[20:33:05] <Chimpertainment> ahh, the other totm boss
[20:33:20] <@OpheliaBlue> xanous is so boss
[20:33:37] <xanous> lol nooooo
[20:33:41] <@OpheliaBlue> it seems like every time I read one of your dreams xanous, a bit of it appears in my dream the next night
[20:33:41] <SpaceCowboyDave^> so how do you get verbal commands to actually work
[20:33:52] <@OpheliaBlue> also RareCola has that effect on my sometimes
[20:34:12] <xanous> Oh yea that interesting. Like what
[20:34:14] <@OpheliaBlue> my dreams*
[20:34:35] <@OpheliaBlue> like the TOTM and breathing underwater

Alright!! Now that we have 2 more apprentices (and hopefully schedules have settled down a bit), the next #DVA Chat time is:

• Tuesday, September 25th, at 8pm CST

Tuesday, September 25th, 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

<OpheliaBlue> Ok, so we have a little class going, what's on your lucid minds??
<OpheliaBlue> Induction techniques, dream recall, stabilization?
<Alucinor^XIII> Well, my most recent experience has been non-cooperative DCs.
<victoreverie> hmm i have a question
<OpheliaBlue> go for it victoreverie
<victoreverie> do naps go to REM during the day even if you had 8 hours of sleep already?
<Oreoboy1996> pretty sure
<OpheliaBlue> Alucinor^XIII: you should talk with CanisLucidus, he's got great DC strategies
<OpheliaBlue> that said, where ARE my 2 new boys??
[Exotiraan got lucid yesterday and realizes he actually had portals actually work for him. ]
<Alucinor^XIII> Is he leading one of the classes?
<Oreoboy1996> congrats Exotiraan
<OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment and CanisLucidus are the newest Intro Class Lucid Apprentices, btu they only just found out yesterday
<OpheliaBlue> congrats Exotiraan!!
<victoreverie> congratulationssss
<OpheliaBlue> victoreverie: I believe so. I haven't tested it really, but I imagine so if the nap was long enough. Def worth it to try.
<Exotiraan> And, it as a Portal dream, to boot, until I ended up in my living room through them.
<Exotiraan> * was
<OpheliaBlue> what did you use for a portal Exotiraan, a mirror?
<Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: The display on the tablet device I had and a modified portalgun.
<OpheliaBlue> so it was a portal app? lol
<Alucinor^XIII> Haha
<Exotiraan> Apparantly, focusing on even small tablet displays is enough to end up in a new location when you've focused out again.
<Xanous> Ha nice. Did you intent to do that or did it just happen?
<OpheliaBlue> actually, what a cool idea! a portal app for smart phones
<Oreoboy1996> oh i just remembered something that could help with class
<Oreoboy1996> http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/dva-class-topics-134931/
<Xanous> Alucinor^XIII: I have been told that if you just go to a DC like you already have made a pryor agreement then they will tend to fall into what you want them to do.
<OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: ooo yes. Should that thread be open so members can post, instead of having to PM and wait and blahdy blah blah blah
<Oreoboy1996> probably
<Oreoboy1996> it might get it some more needed attention
<Oreoboy1996> since it's near the bottom of the paige
<OpheliaBlue> ^^
<Oreoboy1996> page*
<Oreoboy1996> damn it
<OpheliaBlue> yeah, and it can't get bumped otherwiise
<OpheliaBlue> lol paige
<Oreoboy1996> her name is curse to my spelling of things
<Xanous> How about ending dry spells! Bleh!
<OpheliaBlue> ^^
<Oreoboy1996> usually the best way to end a dry spell is to just wait it out
<Oreoboy1996> and don't stress over it
<Xanous> Yes stress is not good.
<Xanous> I wonder if dry spells is your subC wanting a break?
<Oreoboy1996> i've thought of that too sometimes
<SpaceCowboyDave> Hi
<Oreoboy1996> back when i was first starting to lucid dream frequently
<SpaceCowboyDave> Dave the joker is in the house man!!!!!!!
<Oreoboy1996> i wanted to take breaks every so often
<OpheliaBlue> ok folks, that thread is open so feel free to post ideas, then I or a DG or apprentice can add it to the first post
<Oreoboy1996> like i was being tired out somehow
<SpaceCowboyDave> oops
<Xanous> Might not bee a bad idea. Then you can go at it fresh.
<OpheliaBlue> well howdy Dave
<SpaceCowboyDave> yello
<SpaceCowboyDave> what are we talkin bout
<Xanous> Hello Dave
<Oreoboy1996> not sure what we're talking about
<SpaceCowboyDave> .....
<Oreoboy1996> i just remembered some crazy guy saying that wearing a headband can help dream recall i think
<Oreoboy1996> so i'm gonna start wearing my ninja headband again
<SpaceCowboyDave> ok
<Oreoboy1996> hello Evolventity
<SpaceCowboyDave> I found something that seems to help
<victoreverie> crazy guy+crazy claim=doubtful
<SpaceCowboyDave> drinking a shit load of water
<Oreoboy1996> victoreverie: or a very nice placebo
<victoreverie> haha
<SpaceCowboyDave> before bed and on a wbtb
<Oreoboy1996> and an excuse to wear a headband
<victoreverie> well placebos work really really well for LDs
<Oreoboy1996> yep
<Alucinor^XIII> Pure willpower seems to do well. I've had a couple lucids the past few weeks were I wake up to write down my DJ and simply, very intently , and just once so its not mantra really, tell myself I'm gonna be lucid.
<Alucinor^XIII> Its worked 3 times
<Evolventity> hey Oreoboy1996
<Evolventity> Placebo's do work well
<OpheliaBlue> hey Evolventity
[Oreoboy1996 picks a topic]
<Oreoboy1996> nightmares
<Oreoboy1996> discuss >.>
<OpheliaBlue> damn I wish Chimp were here, the nightmare topic is one of his fortes
<OpheliaBlue> I've never become lucid during a nightmare, but
<OpheliaBlue> I have had a DILD during a stressful situation
<Oreoboy1996> i picked nightmares because i have hundreds of them
<Xanous> If you remember I had a lucid nightmare that I had to break before I did TOTM
<Oreoboy1996> don't remember
<Oreoboy1996> then again i probably didn't read
<Oreoboy1996> not much of a forums person anymore
<OpheliaBlue> what was it again Xanous?
<Xanous> I had all those FA which got confusing then the thing that felt like ice cold raw chicken had my hand. Then it turned into my infant son who was dead.
<Xanous> dead in the dream not real life
<OpheliaBlue> how the fuck did I miss this dream O_O
<victoreverie> hey xanous i think i read your DJ
<Xanous> TLDR ?
<victoreverie> I remember that dream
<victoreverie> 'xD
<Xanous> It was so realistic. That's what made it tough.
<Xanous> I havent had a proper lucid since. I wonder if that is partly why.
<Oreoboy1996> ever have a lucid nightmare?
<Xanous> I was lucid in that one
<Oreoboy1996> oh
<Oreoboy1996> some people don't seem to understand how it's possible lol
<Xanous> I did stabilize me thought so that was good.
<Xanous> I didn't until then
<victoreverie> ive never had onee
<victoreverie> xD
<victoreverie> hows it possible
<OpheliaBlue> Well I was lucid that time I tried to go in the water, and I saw something coming, and I did a 180 and ran right back out lol
<OpheliaBlue> But I woke up laughing so not the same thing
<Oreoboy1996> i remember i once had a lucid nightmare where i ghost took over my body and tried to make me stab a baby
<OpheliaBlue> you need to scene change when that happens bro
<victoreverie> oh woww
<victoreverie> maybe advanced TOTM will give me a nightmare
<Oreoboy1996> i'm not good at changing scenery without portals
<Oreoboy1996> the task of the month next month should give you nightmares
<Xanous> You know lucid nightmares can be a lot of fun if you think about it. I mean we all like a good scare right?
<victoreverie> do your portals ever give u FA's?
<victoreverie> ooo give me a clue'
<Oreoboy1996> Xanous: most of the time
<Oreoboy1996> victoreverie: they used to
<OpheliaBlue> victoreverie: they haven't yet but I could see how they might
<Oreoboy1996> portals typically take me to the void
<Xanous> Victoreverie: Well it's the month for Halloween
<Oreoboy1996> which makes me think that i've woken up
<Oreoboy1996> but i learned that i just need to create a second portal that leads out of the void
<victoreverie> o yeahh
<victoreverie> awsomeeee, nobody does halloween in australia
<Oreoboy1996> unfortunately i probably won't complete either task of the month this month
<Oreoboy1996> and they were pretty interesting
<Xanous> What? No Halloween? Thats criminal!
<Oreoboy1996> well halloween is a celtic thing i think
<Oreoboy1996> so they probably don't care lol
<OpheliaBlue> thought it was pagan
<Oreoboy1996> i think it's a mix of both
<Xanous> The US doesn't care either
<OpheliaBlue> sounds like a good drink
<OpheliaBlue> PaganCelticTini
<Xanous> I like to drink my pagan on the rocks
<OpheliaBlue> niiiice.. with gin or vodka?
<Oreoboy1996> if i remember right
<OpheliaBlue> I'm only going off topic because technically class ended 10 minutes ago
<Oreoboy1996> one of the suggestions for the halloween tasks had something to do with chopping off a head
<Oreoboy1996> probably your own head
<Oreoboy1996> going to be fun
<Xanous> Yeah that one would be tough I think.
<Oreoboy1996> Xanous: ask a DC that hates you with a passion
<OpheliaBlue> the thought oreo had
<OpheliaBlue> yeah that, have a DC do it
<Xanous> lol
<Oreoboy1996> one of my dream guides would be perfect for it
<Xanous> I want to transition to a vamp.
<Xanous> how does a dream guide hate you? LOL
[Oreoboy1996 shrugs]
<Xanous> The same way you can have a lucid nightmare I suppose
<Oreoboy1996> she helps me by hating me
<Xanous> hows that
<OpheliaBlue> oreo is a multi-faceted LDer
<Oreoboy1996> well i find her aggressiveness motivating sometimes
<Oreoboy1996> or something like that
<Xanous> Hmmm yeah I guess that would work
<Oreoboy1996> "climb up this cliff or i'll kill you"
<SpaceCowboyDave> bossy
<Oreoboy1996> yep
<SpaceCowboyDave> some people are into that stuff
<SpaceCowboyDave> dominance fetish
[Oreoboy1996 nudges chat away from fetishes]
<SpaceCowboyDave> ITS TOO LATE
<SpaceCowboyDave> HAHAHAHA
[OldSparta has a fetish for people who try to not talk about fetishes]
<OldSparta>
<OldSparta> i kid
<Oreoboy1996>
<SpaceCowboyDave> haha
<OpheliaBlue> oh maybe beta males do well with type A personality female DCs
<Oreoboy1996> what?
<SpaceCowboyDave> lol
<OldSparta> what?
<OldSparta> lol beta males
<OldSparta> haven't heard that in a while
<Oreoboy1996> now i have to google a bunch of stuff >.>
<SpaceCowboyDave> ha
<OpheliaBlue> alpha vs beta males
<SpaceCowboyDave> Ask to see Ms. Bossy Naked
<OldSparta> Charlie males!
<Oreoboy1996> i guess i'm type b
<SpaceCowboyDave> hippie
<SpaceCowboyDave> Bum
<SpaceCowboyDave> lazy son of a
<SpaceCowboyDave> oh wait
<SpaceCowboyDave> nm
<OpheliaBlue> such an odd class tonight, I'm not even sure what to log haha
<Xanous> Well its past my bed time so I will talk to you all later.
<Oreoboy1996> bye
<OpheliaBlue> sorry folks, seems I get wrapped up in DV politics during class on occasion

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Thursday, September 27th, 8pm - 8:30pm CST
• Friday, September 28th, 8pm - 8:30pm CST

Want topic suggestions for the class? Check out our #DVA Class Topics thread, and you can get ideas or post more suggestions.

Thursday, September 27th 8pm Chat:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:57:51] <lahzo> I'm not too late am I?
[19:58:09] <Exotiraan> !today
[19:58:09] <DemonBot> It is 19:58:11 CDT, and today is Thursday, 27 September, 2012: [=====================----] (83.2%)
[19:58:34] <%Oreoboy1996> class starts in 2 minutes lahzo
[19:58:43] <Xanous> Hello peoples
[19:58:49] <lahzo> Hello Xanous !
[19:58:50] <Exotiraan> How long does class last?
[19:58:57] <Xanous> 30min I think
[19:58:57] <%Oreoboy1996> 30 minutes
[19:59:05] paigeyemps [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[19:59:06] <%Oreoboy1996> but sometimes we go over that without noticing
[19:59:07] RackBot [[email protected]] has set mode +h paigeyemps
[19:59:08] RackBot [[email protected]] has set mode +o paigeyemps
[19:59:09] <%Oreoboy1996> hello paigey
[19:59:10] <@paigeyemps> Whewwww
[19:59:18] <Exotiraan> ---[ Log Mark: ]---
[19:59:19] <@paigeyemps> I thought i was gonna be late
[19:59:20] <@Chimpertainment|Away> i am sooo here
[19:59:25] <@Chimpertainment|Away> !back
[19:59:26] Chimpertainment|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Chimpertainment
[19:59:30] <Exotiraan> ---[ Log Mark: DVA Session ]---
[19:59:35] <lahzo> I'm hoping to get a lucid sometime tonight. Have you seen the waking journal in tandem with a dream journal? Supposedly really effective.
[19:59:37] <@paigeyemps> I am sweating so hard from running lol
[19:59:44] <@paigeyemps> Hi everyone
[19:59:44] <@paigeyemps>
[19:59:47] <@Chimpertainment> yay for running
[19:59:49] <%Oreoboy1996> running is good for you
[19:59:54] <Xanous> lahzo I think it helps
[20:00:00] <@paigeyemps> Unless you're asthmatic :p
[20:00:09] <Xanous> how are ya paigey
[20:00:10] <Exotiraan> !scheduler add {seconds 40m} "dvalog Exotiraan: DVA Session"
[20:00:11] <DemonBot> Exotiraan: Done. Event #0 added.
[20:00:26] <Exotiraan> There. Now the bot will log the class itself.
[20:00:26] <@paigeyemps> Hey xanous, good good, just finished a test
[20:00:29] <lahzo> They say writing down your days events help clear your mind? How is this so?
[20:00:33] <@paigeyemps> Oh and oreo i had a lucid!
[20:00:38] <%Oreoboy1996> congrats paigey
[20:00:45] <Xanous> This session will be tough. The office is on.
[20:00:50] <lahzo>
[20:00:50] <@paigeyemps> Almost wilded but i fell asleep
[20:00:50] <@paigeyemps> Lol
[20:00:55] <@paigeyemps> Lol xan
[20:01:01] <@Chimpertainment> dvr that mess
[20:01:03] <%Oreoboy1996> lahzo: probably because it makes it redundant to think about your day's events after that
[20:01:06] <Exotiraan> lahzo: If I was going to take a guess, I would say that you get to process these things while you're writing them down so you don't go processing them later.
[20:01:10] <Xanous> lahzo it helps with recall
[20:01:25] <@paigeyemps> What is our topic today?
[20:01:26] <Xanous> that too
[20:01:28] <%Oreoboy1996> after you write it down there isn't much need to think about it anymore
[20:01:30] <lahzo> I'm peer reviewing a friend's paper atm as well.
[20:01:34] <@Chimpertainment> so weird observation...using key words for recall ended up helping me recall more than usual
[20:01:39] <%Oreoboy1996> i think we're still waiting for ophelia
[20:01:45] <@paigeyemps> Oooh
[20:01:52] <Xanous> I used to do that chimp but it stopped working
[20:01:54] <%Oreoboy1996> http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/dva-class-topics-134931/
[20:02:00] <%Oreoboy1996> we could look through that while we wait
[20:02:20] <&ShockWave|BRB> And! Introducing....
[20:02:21] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[20:02:22] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[20:02:26] <&ShockWave|BRB> timing
[20:02:27] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[20:02:36] <@Chimpertainment> n i c e
[20:02:37] <%Oreoboy1996> it was planned
[20:02:44] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm two minutes late, blame the other admin
[20:02:50] <&ShockWave|BRB> yes, blame kraid
[20:02:51] <lahzo> I'm having issues inducing lucid dreams through many things, techniques, recall, supplements, ect.
[20:02:51] <@paigeyemps> Hey lis
[20:02:54] <@OpheliaBlue> HAHaha
[20:03:08] <%Oreoboy1996> oh i tried stabilization for the first time in forever last night
[20:03:15] <Xanous> so what IS the topic
[20:03:16] <@paigeyemps> Cool
[20:03:19] <%Oreoboy1996> the dream still collapsed but i got farther than i used to
[20:03:30] <%Oreoboy1996> Xanous: suggest a topic
[20:03:31] <@Chimpertainment> s:/topic/beef
[20:03:34] <@OpheliaBlue> ok reading up then we'll start a topic
[20:03:58] <lahzo> I'm reading this book and the author got his first lucid dream by staring at his hands for about ten minutes before going to bed. Anyone try anything like this?
[20:04:10] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +o Xanous
[20:04:11] <@Xanous> YES! Robert Waggonner
[20:04:17] <lahzo> Yep Robert Waggonner
[20:04:26] <Exotiraan> lahzo: Hand-checks are my favorite.
[20:04:41] <Exotiraan> (At least when I remember to do them.)
[20:04:46] <lahzo> I feel as if I should try this. I'm not particular to DILDs but if that's what it takes.
[20:04:47] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't like the hand check much
[20:04:53] <@Xanous> I've just started myself. It sounds like it could work. I started trying with other things that I see often
[20:04:58] <lahzo> I like the sensation of SP and induction of a WILD/DEILD
[20:05:00] <%Oreoboy1996> and i definitely don't want to stare at my hands for 10 minutes in waking life
[20:05:02] <@Chimpertainment> its good for first time lucids yeah
[20:05:11] <%Oreoboy1996> sounds like it could work well though
[20:05:26] <Exotiraan> My brains reality rendering software still gets my hands wrong in dreams, after all this time.
[20:05:28] <@OpheliaBlue> I have a friend at work that just had her 3rd LD. Before that, I told her to count fingers for stabilization since she kept waking up too soon. She counted nearly 20 fingers lol
[20:05:36] <@paigeyemps> Hahaha
[20:05:42] <lahzo> I'll try it after I journal before bed.. speaking of.. how do you guys accurately jot in your dream journals? Do you have a bed side lamp or what?
[20:05:46] <@paigeyemps> That feel when you first realize..
[20:05:47] <@OpheliaBlue> but she said each one is getting longer, I'm so happy
[20:05:49] <@Xanous> lahzo SP is just noise. Try not to put too much thought into it. It can be detrimental .
[20:05:49] <Exotiraan> But, now, I think it's 99.999999% because I expect it to get it wrong all of the time.
[20:05:56] <@paigeyemps> So amazing
[20:06:00] <@Chimpertainment> lahzo: i use a recorder app on my phone
[20:06:13] <%Oreoboy1996> lahzo: i scribble a few keywords in a notebook and go back to sleep
[20:06:19] <@OpheliaBlue> So I like paigeyemps idea about bed time routine, also RareCola 's speciality
[20:06:27] <lahzo> I prefer hand-writing. I'll try doing that then OreoBoy1996
[20:07:00] <@Chimpertainment> what is paigeyemps idea?
[20:07:02] <@paigeyemps> Yup! Jason is really good with those
[20:07:02] <@paigeyemps> Oh, lahzo
[20:07:04] <@paigeyemps> First letter of name + tab
[20:07:06] <@OpheliaBlue> What do you guys do at night, before bed, to prepare yourselves for optimal LDing?
[20:07:16] <@Xanous> bullet points in a phone app works for me
[20:07:20] <lahzo> paigeyemps: thanks... ahahah
[20:07:26] <lahzo> I'm an IRC nub
[20:07:28] <@paigeyemps> I turn of the lights about 30 mins before i sleep
[20:07:36] <Exotiraan> I wrote a little Bash script that, before I go to bed, I run and it opens up my text editor to a fresh dream log for the particular day.
[20:07:37] <@paigeyemps> To get those melatonin going haha
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[20:07:43] <Exotiraan> With the timestamps already included.
[20:07:49] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't really have a routine
[20:07:53] <lahzo> I like to read a bit on lucid dreams, drink a glass of water, then shut off the lights after I've finished reading.
[20:07:55] <%Oreoboy1996> i just turn off the light and crawl into bed
[20:07:56] <@OpheliaBlue> good idea paigeyemps
[20:08:13] <@OpheliaBlue> some folks need more winding down, I'm like you Oreoboy1996
[20:08:14] <@Xanous> meditation/mild
[20:08:18] <@paigeyemps>
[20:08:26] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't need as much, but some of you A personality types
[20:08:27] <Exotiraan> And DemonBot has !machinesleep, which turns all of my workstation's monitors off, then I got go on to bed.
[20:08:49] <@Chimpertainment> i lie in bed..with my eyes open...think about the day...memories...previous dreams..let it all go...then i start my mantras
[20:08:52] <@paigeyemps> Then for those 30 minutes, i try recalling my goals, do some mantras til i fall asleep
[20:09:12] <%Oreoboy1996> well when i'm in bed waiting to fall asleep
[20:09:16] <%Oreoboy1996> i do daydream
[20:09:23] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[20:09:24] <%Oreoboy1996> it helps me fall asleep
[20:09:28] <@OpheliaBlue> Me too
[20:09:38] <@Xanous> I got sort of good at telling myself to wake up after dreams and lay still.
[20:09:42] <@OpheliaBlue> I also like what Chimpertainment said about previous dreams
[20:09:44] <@paigeyemps> Nice!
[20:10:05] <@OpheliaBlue> You can even reread your own previous LDs, or others' experiences as well.
[20:10:13] <@OpheliaBlue> This gets your mind in the lucid dreaming groove.
[20:10:17] <lahzo> Do you guys use a mantra to wake up after your dreams?
[20:10:18] <@Chimpertainment> that thing laberge does where he relives previous lds, i try to do that as well
[20:10:34] <@Xanous> Yep thats good too
[20:10:35] <@Chimpertainment> lahzo: mantra for just about anything
[20:10:42] <@OpheliaBlue> lahzo: I'm not sure? I'm already awake after my dreams or what did you mean
[20:10:42] <@paigeyemps> That's a great idea oph, especially if you're on a dry spell
[20:10:42] <@paigeyemps>
[20:10:58] <lahzo> I usually don't "wake up" after my dreams. I don't remember it anyways.,
[20:11:11] <@Chimpertainment> i mantra to wake up after dreams, to become lucid, to have certain dreams..mantras are really multi-faceted in that way
[20:11:24] <@OpheliaBlue> lahzo: so your dream ends, but you're still asleep a while after?
[20:11:27] <lahzo> Chimpertainment: Do you use multiple mantras every night or just one?
[20:11:42] <lahzo> OpheliaBlue: Yes, my dream ends and then I don't remember anything until my next dream begins. XD
[20:11:43] <@Xanous> lahzo, you could mantra to remember your dreams
[20:11:56] <lahzo> Xanous: I don't have issues remembering my dreams.
[20:11:57] <@Chimpertainment> lahzo: just one..but i sometimes combine different goals into a single mantra
[20:12:21] <@OpheliaBlue> lahzo: are you talking about all dreams, or just lucid ones?
[20:12:33] <lahzo> OpheliaBlue: All of my dreams.
[20:12:53] <@paigeyemps> Something i do is instead of teaching myself to wake up after a dream, which i normally have trouble doing, I teach myself to wake up when I roll over (which i always do when a dream ends).. If that makes sense
[20:12:59] <@paigeyemps> Kinda like indirect something
[20:13:02] <@Chimpertainment> lahzo: you might try calculating your sleep cycles then setting an alarm at the end of each
[20:13:03] <@OpheliaBlue> interesting..
[20:13:07] <@paigeyemps> Instead of noticing the dream itself ending
[20:13:28] <@Chimpertainment> lahzo: ive been doing that for a few months and im starting to wake up naturally before my alarms
[20:13:31] <lahzo> It's not like my dream ends though.. it seems like the scene just changes but it's completely different.
[20:13:42] <@OpheliaBlue> wow this is new for me, I always wake up after a dream immediately, or shortly after. If I don't do that, then I don't remember it .
[20:13:49] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, everybody wakes up between REM cycles..some are not aware
[20:14:11] <lahzo> I suppose I could try to calculate my REM cycles and setting an alarm. I'm aware that humans naturally wake up between REM. I just don't remember it.
[20:14:20] <@Chimpertainment> ya
[20:14:22] <@paigeyemps> Haha yea
[20:14:36] <@paigeyemps> That's the time i always roll over or change positions
[20:14:40] <@paigeyemps> x)
[20:14:40] <@Xanous> sometimes is so brief you forget unless you set a strong intention to remember
[20:14:59] <lahzo> I'll try using a mantra. Usually drinking a glass of water before bed helps me remember waking up after REM.
[20:15:13] <%Oreoboy1996> i usually remember waking up multiple times in the night naturally
[20:15:17] <lahzo> And it's usually about 4 hours into my sleep, which is ideal.
[20:15:25] <%Oreoboy1996> i've always been like that
[20:15:33] <@Xanous> This is really useful to DEILD btw
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[20:16:17] <@paigeyemps> Hey canis!
[20:16:27] <@OpheliaBlue> hi CanisLucidus!
[20:16:29] <@CanisLucidus> Hey everyone! hey paige
[20:16:36] <@Chimpertainment> hey hey hey
[20:16:46] <@CanisLucidus> Wattup Ophelia! Hey Chimper!
[20:17:12] <@Xanous> CanisLucidus, hello!
[20:17:25] <@CanisLucidus> sorry late... many runny noses among my cubs, thus slow bed time
[20:17:28] <@CanisLucidus> hey xanous!
[20:17:49] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I know the feeling
[20:18:01] <@CanisLucidus> Speaking of optimal night time routines...
[20:18:04] <@CanisLucidus>
[20:18:05] <@Chimpertainment> speaking of dield..is there anything special you all do when waking from a dream to retain awareness?
[20:18:14] <@OpheliaBlue> we're discussing bed time rituals to help condone LDing
[20:18:15] <@Chimpertainment> speaking of
[20:18:41] <@CanisLucidus> I read that Xanous epic super mega DEILD chain came up last class
[20:18:54] <@CanisLucidus> So maybe he should just tell us how to do it
[20:19:02] <@OpheliaBlue> yes, care to recap my friend?
[20:19:13] <@OpheliaBlue> also, CanisLucidus, pm
[20:19:14] <@Xanous> Yeah well I haven't had any luck since then
[20:19:18] <@Chimpertainment> like..aside from anchors and mantras..
[20:19:23] <@paigeyemps> Hm
[20:19:32] <@Chimpertainment> awareness is still elusive pre-sleep and post
[20:19:34] <@Chimpertainment> for me
[20:19:34] <@OpheliaBlue> no worries Xanous, I can have 1-2 weeks dry speels in between sometimes
[20:19:36] <@CanisLucidus> If anyone has not read Xanous' full entry for his Sept task of the month, it is amazing... the fight at the beginning is nuts
[20:19:51] <@Xanous> I just dont move when I wake from a dream and then sp kicks in.
[20:19:57] <@paigeyemps> When i go for a deild, when i wake up, i start counting down
[20:20:02] <@paigeyemps> Helps me slip back easily
[20:20:30] <@Chimpertainment> that gives me an idea
[20:20:30] <@CanisLucidus> So paigeyemps, you're counting while visualizing the dream scene? Do you imagine your dream voice doing the counting... sorta?
[20:20:35] <@Xanous> I would have had several but for some reason I started getting really excited in SP. I forget its just noise.
[20:20:43] <@paigeyemps> Yep
[20:20:49] <@paigeyemps> I imagine shouting out the countdown
[20:20:54] <@paigeyemps> In my dream body i mean
[20:21:01] <@CanisLucidus> cool... i like it
[20:21:06] <@Xanous> hmmmm counting
[20:21:10] <@paigeyemps> Then when i am lucky And go into the dream, it elps stanilize it too
[20:21:14] <@paigeyemps> Stabilize*
[20:21:20] <@Chimpertainment> there is a meditation exercise where you count your breaths to 10 then start over..that could work really well before sleep as well...i think that might be part of dream yoga..hmmm
[20:21:45] <@Xanous> paigeyemps, do you find that sometimes you do everything just perfect but nothing happens?
[20:21:50] <@paigeyemps> Yep!
[20:21:52] <@paigeyemps>
[20:21:56] <@OpheliaBlue> CanisLucidus: do you see the query?
[20:22:17] <@paigeyemps> It sucks, especially when i feel like im entering the dream but then..poof
[20:22:21] <@paigeyemps> I dont remember anymore
[20:22:33] <lahzo> anchors.. somebody discuss anchors. I haven't had the opportunity to really learn about them.
[20:22:39] <@CanisLucidus> I do now, OpheliaBlue, thanks for the kick
[20:22:50] <@Xanous> yeah I wonder what it is... timing I suppose.
[20:23:10] <@Chimpertainment> anchor=something your mind can focus on to retain awareness while the body falls asleep
[20:23:16] <@paigeyemps> Anchora help you foc--yea
[20:23:19] <@OpheliaBlue> Xanous: that's interesting, you don't move and SP hits.. I don't move and I get vibrations.
[20:23:20] <@Chimpertainment>
[20:23:20] <@CanisLucidus> I ripped off everything I know about anchors from RareCola if he is at keyboard!
[20:23:23] <@paigeyemps> Anchors*
[20:23:23] <lahzo> Chimpertainment: can you give me some strong examples?
[20:23:30] <@Chimpertainment> a fan
[20:23:33] <@Chimpertainment> white noise
[20:23:46] <lahzo> Chimpertainment: what do you do with the anchor? Just listen?
[20:23:47] <@paigeyemps> Whi--yea
[20:23:48] <@Chimpertainment> any consistent sensory input
[20:23:48] <@paigeyemps> Lmai
[20:23:58] <lahzo> I apologize for my slow and weak typing.. eating dat dere pizza.
[20:23:58] <@Chimpertainment> focus
[20:23:59] <@Xanous> ha pure awareness
[20:24:03] <@paigeyemps> Sound of a fan is giod
[20:24:04] <@paigeyemps> Good
[20:24:15] <@Chimpertainment> u must focus on the sensory input...then it becomes an anchor
[20:24:18] <@paigeyemps> Or AC
[20:24:22] <lahzo> You just listen until it warps or goes away? then whaty
[20:24:31] <@Chimpertainment> you listen until something happens
[20:24:37] <@Chimpertainment> either SP or sleep
[20:24:52] <@Xanous> ugh it just keeps me awake to do that. But that's me.
[20:24:59] <@Chimpertainment> ya, same here
[20:25:01] <@OpheliaBlue> or an odd vibrations/buzzy feeling/sound/sensation
[20:25:13] <lahzo> What if your mind runs on a tangent and you stop listening? Do you just shift back gently to listening to a fan or what have you?
[20:25:27] <@Chimpertainment> yep
[20:25:30] <@Chimpertainment> exactly
[20:25:40] <@Chimpertainment> no judgement
[20:25:43] <@Xanous> or sp doesnt always happen. some times the imagry will just become more and more real.
[20:25:46] <lahzo> At some point, it becomes rather difficult to continue listening? Do I just try and try?
[20:25:47] <@Chimpertainment> just...focus....oohhmmmmmm
[20:26:09] <@paigeyemps> To be honest, many times i attempt WILD, i let myself drift off, the hard part im trying to learn is to pull back when i start drifting off
[20:26:16] <@Chimpertainment> im not the best anchor practictioner to be honest
[20:26:19] <lahzo> paigeyemps: That's the problem I have as well.
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[20:26:29] <%Oreoboy1996> sp always happens
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[20:26:36] <%Oreoboy1996> you don't always feel it though
[20:26:37] <@OpheliaBlue> wb
[20:26:40] <@Xanous> I mean you doing always notice
[20:26:41] <@paigeyemps> Yup
[20:26:44] <@Xanous> *dont
[20:26:48] <@paigeyemps> I rarely feel sp anymore
[20:26:58] <@OpheliaBlue> paigeyemps: do you feel/hear anything that lets you know yuo're getting in the right direction
[20:27:01] <%Oreoboy1996> sp got worse for me
[20:27:06] <@Xanous> Im trying not to lately actually. If that makes sense.
[20:27:14] <lahzo> I always get tinglies, sights, sounds, and feelies, but I end up falling asleep.
[20:27:32] <%Oreoboy1996> you're supposed to fall asleep >.>
[20:27:38] <@paigeyemps> At first, i drift off a bit, then notice random thoughts, then i go "wait what i wasnt thinking that" then i get pulled back
[20:27:53] <@paigeyemps> And usually by that time this pop or tingly sensation happens but only slightly
[20:27:55] <lahzo> I thought I was attempting to consciously enter a dream, not "fall asleep" per say.
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[20:27:59] <@paigeyemps> And then the imagery gets vivid
[20:28:04] <%Oreoboy1996> you have to fall asleep to dream
[20:28:12] <%Oreoboy1996> and i feel like being overly technical today
[20:28:17] <@Xanous> Has anyone just randomly woke up in SP. I used to fight it so much but was just stuck.
[20:28:20] <lahzo> Oreoboy1996: I know this but you're being too technical. You know what I mean. XD
[20:28:21] <@CanisLucidus> When I performed DEILD, I was completely unaware of the whole REM atonia experience. I just went under.
[20:28:21] <Exotiraan> SP doesn't get scary for me (there's only been literally less than a handful of incidents, and I still have a finger or two left. )
[20:28:23] <@OpheliaBlue> interesting, yours is way more cerebral, mine is more sensation based
[20:28:29] <@Chimpertainment> your body will fall asleep...and the mind will shift...and thats where it gets weird
[20:28:31] <Exotiraan> Early on, I made SP a sexy thing.
[20:28:35] <@paigeyemps> Ahh
[20:28:39] <@OpheliaBlue> CanisLucidus: me too, I get no SP whatsoever
[20:28:42] <@paigeyemps> Haha eo
[20:28:44] <@paigeyemps> Exo
[20:28:47] <%Oreoboy1996> Xanous: when i was a kid i used to become lucid during nightmares and wake myself up
[20:28:53] <%Oreoboy1996> but i would wake up to sleep paralysis
[20:29:08] <%Oreoboy1996> was more of an annoyance than something scary back then
[20:29:17] <%Oreoboy1996> since the only problem was being unable to move
[20:29:24] <&ShockWave|BRB> Oreoboy1996: you still are a kid
[20:29:28] <@Chimpertainment> i used to get stuck in SP before falling asleep
[20:29:32] <%Oreoboy1996> okay
[20:29:37] <@paigeyemps> Lol
[20:29:37] <&ShockWave|BRB> inb4 ""
[20:29:38] <@Xanous> ha
[20:29:39] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm a big kid now
[20:29:43] <@paigeyemps>
[20:29:47] <%Oreoboy1996> and back then i was a little kid
[20:29:50] <@Xanous> CanisLucidus, before?
[20:29:52] <@OpheliaBlue> hahahaha ShockWave|BRB
[20:30:13] <&ShockWave|BRB> I feel left out because I never had lucid dreams as a child
[20:30:16] <@Xanous> oops
[20:30:18] <@paigeyemps>
[20:30:28] <@Chimpertainment> yea,, we are pretty cool like that
[20:30:30] <@OpheliaBlue> I only had one LD as a child
[20:30:40] <@paigeyemps> i had lucids mostly about xmen and captain planet and static shock
[20:30:43] <@OpheliaBlue> the rest happened after I was a fully grown woman
[20:30:43] <@Xanous> Chimpertainment, you got sp before going to sleep? at the begining?
[20:30:46] <@paigeyemps> if you know those shows
[20:30:48] <@paigeyemps> Haha
[20:30:48] <@Chimpertainment> but trust me...you dont want my childhood, lolz
[20:30:54] <%Oreoboy1996> oh i a demon baby hallucination thing when i woke up in sp this morning
[20:30:58] <&ShockWave|BRB> I know the first and third ones
[20:31:00] <%Oreoboy1996> had a*
[20:31:06] <@paigeyemps> Wuut
[20:31:08] <@Chimpertainment> Xanous: yeah, i used to all the time..and recently it happened..very powerful stuff
[20:31:10] <@paigeyemps> Wait
[20:31:12] <@paigeyemps> Shock
[20:31:14] <&ShockWave|BRB> it'd be fun to use some of the powers from xmen
[20:31:23] <&ShockWave|BRB> in a lucid I mea
[20:31:25] <&ShockWave|BRB> mean*
[20:31:26] <@Xanous> strange
[20:31:27] <SpaceCowboyDave> So I'm in Psychology
[20:31:31] <SpaceCowboyDave> the unit we are on
[20:31:35] <SpaceCowboyDave> is "Sleep and dreams"
[20:31:41] <SpaceCowboyDave> so Its cool
[20:31:50] <@Xanous> cool. do they mention ld?
[20:31:51] <@paigeyemps> Same, dave
[20:31:51] <SpaceCowboyDave> cause I know all the dream stuff from here
[20:32:01] <@paigeyemps> We talked about lds
[20:32:02] <@Chimpertainment> well...its been real everyone..but i gotta go to class..cyall laterz
[20:32:07] <@paigeyemps> And i sat there with a goofy smile
[20:32:08] <SpaceCowboyDave> bye
[20:32:10] <@Chimpertainment> !away
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[20:32:11] <@paigeyemps> Not saying anything
[20:32:15] <lahzo> SpaceCowboyDave: Do you work there?
[20:32:15] <SpaceCowboyDave> lol yea paigeyemps
[20:32:17] <@paigeyemps> Byebye chimp
[20:32:20] <@OpheliaBlue> !log paigeyemps: I thought i was gonna be late
[20:32:25] <@OpheliaBlue> DAMNIT
[20:32:33] <SpaceCowboyDave> lahzo: *Psychology Class
[20:32:35] <@OpheliaBlue> !dvalog paigeyemps: I thought i was gonna be late
[20:32:35] <SpaceCowboyDave> in college
[20:32:38] <DemonBot> Posting to Twitter: http://sprunge.us/CQTW - DVA Session - Done. Dream Views Academy (dreamviews_dva) on Twitter
[20:32:42] <@CanisLucidus> Have a good night Chimpertainment
[20:32:42] <@OpheliaBlue> w)0t
[20:32:47] <lahzo> Quick question.. why is the chat going down but I'm still focused like way the hell up there?
[20:32:50] <@paigeyemps>
[20:32:53] <lahzo> I have to constantly scroll.
[20:33:00] OpheliaBlue shakes bootie with happiness
[20:33:02] <@paigeyemps> You probly scrolled up earlier
[20:33:07] <SpaceCowboyDave> scroll down
[20:33:30] <lahzo> I do scroll down but then the same thing happens. It doesn't scroll to the bottom when somebody says something new. XD
[20:33:30] SpaceCowboyDave grabs his Psych notes
[20:33:43] <@paigeyemps> Haha
[20:33:47] <lahzo> SpaceCowboyDave: I recently changed my major to psychology ,actually.
[20:33:47] <SpaceCowboyDave> it does that on my phone sometimes
[20:33:50] <@paigeyemps> Try dc'ing then come bck?
[20:33:54] <SpaceCowboyDave> lahzo: oh really? cool?
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[20:34:01] <@paigeyemps> Lol
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[20:34:42] <&ShockWave|BRB> wb lahzo
[20:34:52] <lahzo> Thanks. I'm going to refrain from touching my mouse..
[20:34:53] <@paigeyemps> Wb
[20:35:02] <SpaceCowboyDave> The professor talked about "Sex differences in dream content" today
[20:35:08] <SpaceCowboyDave> it was pure BS
[20:35:44] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks guys for attending!

Next #DVA Chat Time:

• Monday, October 1st, 6pm - 6:30pm CST

Friday, September 28th, 8pm Class: (it's a long one because there was no actual class per say, just alot of discussion afterward that I thought might be useful!)

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[19:58:51] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[20:00:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Ah darn. Looks like another dud class.
[20:01:01] <@Chimpertainment> chimp is here
[20:01:42] <@Chimpertainment> perhaps, just tardy?
[20:05:24] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> !back
[20:05:25] Oreoboy1996|Away [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996
[20:05:32] <%Oreoboy1996> forgot about class
[20:05:49] <%Oreoboy1996> was playing with light thinger
[20:05:55] <@OpheliaBlue> hehe no worries
[20:06:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I sent the mass PM 15 min before
[20:06:19] <@OpheliaBlue> ever since school started back, it's been slow at night
[20:06:34] <%Oreoboy1996> yep
[20:06:50] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, I bumped this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/poll-...lasses-133628/
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[20:07:19] <Mindraker> knock knock
[20:07:26] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Mindraker
[20:07:34] <Mindraker> hello!
[20:07:35] <%Oreoboy1996> that's good
[20:08:22] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Mindraker!
[20:08:24] <Mindraker> Someone told me what Meat Loaf "wouldn't do for love" 0_o
[20:08:30] <Mindraker> Heya OpheliaBlue!
[20:08:30] <@OpheliaBlue> what was it???
[20:08:35] <Mindraker> Cheat on his lover
[20:08:37] <@OpheliaBlue> it's been killing me
[20:08:38] <@OpheliaBlue> oh
[20:08:49] <@OpheliaBlue> but cheating on his lover wouldn't be for love
[20:08:57] <Mindraker> Yeah it's been killing me for like 20 years or so
[20:09:18] <@OpheliaBlue> I was thinking 3-some
[20:09:22] <Mindraker> lol we're sounding like #dv chat
[20:10:04] <@OpheliaBlue> haha well, no class today
[20:10:06] <Mindraker> had some weird ass dream about purchases and prices... I'm thinking about buying a condo in real life
[20:10:13] <@OpheliaBlue> you're the only non-staff who showed up
[20:10:22] <@OpheliaBlue> a condo, really??
[20:10:26] <Mindraker> Some guy was screaming out numbers in my dream, like an auction
[20:10:43] <Mindraker> Yeah, actually, a condo, this will be sweet, if it works out.
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[20:10:56] <@CanisLucidus> hello all!
[20:10:59] <@OpheliaBlue> that would be awesome
[20:11:00] <%Oreoboy1996> hello CanisLucidus
[20:11:02] <Mindraker> hiya CanisLucidus
[20:11:03] <@OpheliaBlue> hey CanisLucidus
[20:11:03] <@Chimpertainment> forclosurezzzzz
[20:11:13] <@OpheliaBlue> unfortunately another class dud
[20:11:20] <Mindraker> Yup yup, apprently the previous owner price crashed
[20:11:27] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'm happy to hang here with y'all anyway
[20:11:33] <&ShockWave> OpheliaBlue: the problem is,
[20:11:35] <Mindraker> Sorry I haven't made it to the class recently
[20:11:38] <@Chimpertainment> like a buncha monkies
[20:11:42] <&ShockWave> you've promoted everyone who you teach!
[20:12:01] <@Chimpertainment> it is the jedis way
[20:12:13] <@OpheliaBlue> bull honky ShockWave...
[20:12:22] <@OpheliaBlue> have you SEEN the number of students I have in there??
[20:12:28] <&ShockWave> I haven't
[20:12:33] <&ShockWave> I'm guessing a lot?
[20:12:39] <@OpheliaBlue> gobs.
[20:12:41] <Mindraker> Slideshow::Beaucatcher House , Asheville NC 28805::MLS#
[20:12:42] <DemonBot> 'Title: Slideshow::Beaucatcher House , \rAsheville NC 28805::MLS# (at Asheville, NC Real Estate Photography | Greenville, SC Real Estate Photography | HomeStory Slide Show | Virtual Tours | TCMPhotos)'
[20:13:00] <Mindraker> ^^^ That's what I'm looking at
[20:13:07] <&ShockWave> maybe you need to make a thread and ask for feedback on the IRC times - people might not be able to make it
[20:13:31] <@OpheliaBlue> there's a poll thread made months ago, I bumped it ShockWave: http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/poll-...lasses-133628/
[20:13:40] <&ShockWave> oh
[20:13:50] <Mindraker> This time is the best for me, if I actually check my email
[20:13:54] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: that is a sweeeeeet condo
[20:14:06] <Mindraker> Yah and sweet prices
[20:14:31] <@OpheliaBlue> her last name is Gray! so is mine!
[20:14:34] <@OpheliaBlue> it's fate, go get it
[20:14:56] <Mindraker> LOL, if that ain't a good sign
[20:15:58] <Mindraker> I'm subscribed to you folks on youtube now lol
[20:16:18] <@OpheliaBlue> oh the podcast?
[20:16:48] <Mindraker> Yeah the thing I thought I needed an "ipod" for
[20:16:53] <Mindraker>
[20:18:13] <Mindraker> Breaking my lease with my landlady is going to be shit
[20:18:47] <@OpheliaBlue> uh oh, how much longer is your current lease?
[20:18:54] <Mindraker> 11 months --
[20:18:59] <Mindraker> but I've been here like 9 years
[20:19:07] <Mindraker> So I mean, come on, give me a break.
[20:19:20] <Mindraker> I've been one of her best tenants as far as paying rent goes
[20:20:02] <Mindraker> So this won't be fun to do. Landlady can sometimes be a bitch, sometimes be nice.
[20:20:10] <@OpheliaBlue> I bet if she had a month or 2 motice, she wouldn't have a cow
[20:20:17] <@OpheliaBlue> notice*
[20:20:31] <Mindraker> Yeah... I'll see how it goes.
[20:20:45] <Mindraker> Maybe make my dreams of numbers and prices go away, hopefully.
[20:20:54] <@Chimpertainment> instead, she would birth one of those creatures from aliens that latches on your face and plants you with an alien............
[20:21:01] <Mindraker> lol
[20:21:12] <@Chimpertainment> just a thought
[20:21:22] <Mindraker> No, that would be my downstairs neighbor
[20:21:26] <@CanisLucidus> Thanks for that nightmare material there, chimp
[20:21:42] <Mindraker> Whatever the FUCK YOU ARE DOING DOWN THERE AT 2:30 AM, MF
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[20:22:26] <@OpheliaBlue> lol aliens
[20:22:32] <@OpheliaBlue> Y'all see Prometheus yet????
[20:22:41] <%Oreoboy1996> nope
[20:22:41] <@OpheliaBlue> I want to LD something like that holy crap
[20:22:42] <@CanisLucidus> No!! good or what?
[20:22:47] <@OpheliaBlue> it's.... odd
[20:23:05] <@OpheliaBlue> Don't go sede it if you're expecting really clear explanations about the origins of that alien species
[20:23:18] <@OpheliaBlue> it's more philosophical.. even possibly religious implications
[20:23:30] <Mindraker> I vaguely remember the "Aliens" movie with those eggs hatching everywhere -- enough for me.
[20:23:33] <@OpheliaBlue> But it was soooo beautifully shot, great LD fodder right there
[20:23:36] <Mindraker> Spoiled my image of E.T. forever
[20:23:39] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:26:03] <@CanisLucidus> So if it's a staff party, I've gotta LD thing I want to talk about!
[20:26:13] <Mindraker> OK can I be in on it?
[20:26:17] <@CanisLucidus> This light source problem you brought up OpheliaBlue
[20:26:20] <@CanisLucidus> Totally dude
[20:26:26] Mindraker lights up the bong and passes it around
[20:26:54] <@CanisLucidus> I have this issue too. Anyone figured out a general way to light up a dark room? Reliably?
[20:27:13] <Mindraker> flip the switch
[20:27:32] <@CanisLucidus> That's a good one. For me, it makes lights come on in other areas, like outside.
[20:27:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I have light switches fuck up on me, and I think it's an early schema. Know why?
[20:27:53] <&ShockWave> if you have trouble, you could try reaching into your pocket
[20:28:04] <&ShockWave> and pulling out a small ball which is really bright
[20:28:06] <@OpheliaBlue> Because that's supposed to be one of the first ever RCs we learn "Oh, if the light switch doesn't work, then we are in a dream."
[20:28:11] <%Oreoboy1996> CanisLucidus: i use a light spell
[20:28:14] <&ShockWave> and just throw it into the middle of the room
[20:28:15] <@OpheliaBlue> Well guess what, it doesn't work at all now lol
[20:28:33] <@CanisLucidus> Like the ball idea... a spell sounds really good too
[20:28:38] <%Oreoboy1996> i just say "illumina" and form light in my hand
[20:28:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I think I need something more scientific.. i dunno.
[20:29:00] <@OpheliaBlue>
[20:29:05] <@CanisLucidus> I'm so old school I might use "frotz me". (Guarantee nobody in here gets that one)
[20:29:06] <@OpheliaBlue> brb one sec
[20:29:19] <Mindraker> I don't seem to understand why people think that logic is "off" in dreams. I find logic quite active in my dreams.
[20:29:36] <@CanisLucidus> In your non-lucids, Mindraker?
[20:29:45] <Mindraker> That's right.
[20:30:01] <@CanisLucidus> Impressive. I'm pretty stupid in mine. I will believe pretty much anything.
[20:30:06] <Mindraker> I find myself doing mathematics in my dreams, what could be more logical?
[20:30:17] <@CanisLucidus> In non-lucid! This is pretty badass
[20:30:17] <%Oreoboy1996> there's nothing logical in math >.>
[20:30:41] <@CanisLucidus> I often *think* I'm being logical but upon waking realize my ideas are monumentally stupid
[20:31:40] <Mindraker> I remember trying to multiplicate two numbers once... and I did a fairly good job; it was 12 x something, if I remember.
[20:31:46] <&ShockWave> I once had a really fun dream
[20:31:50] <&ShockWave> has anyone watched naruto?
[20:31:59] <Mindraker> That sounds familiar, I think so
[20:32:01] <%Oreoboy1996> watching it right now actually
[20:32:06] <Mindraker> Naruto is oriental?
[20:32:14] <&ShockWave> it's an anime
[20:32:16] <&ShockWave> anyway
[20:32:24] <%Oreoboy1996> ninjas n stuff
[20:32:28] <&ShockWave> naruto, the main character, can use an energy move called Rasengan
[20:32:29] <Mindraker> OK yeah then I've seen it
[20:32:45] <&ShockWave> I learned how to use rasengan in a dream once
[20:32:54] <&ShockWave> and then I was practicing and practicing
[20:32:57] <&ShockWave> getting better at it
[20:32:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i've used rasengan and chidori a few times
[20:33:13] <&ShockWave> and it felt so real - I could actually feel the energy in my right hand
[20:33:21] <&ShockWave> I can still remember now what it felt like, kind of
[20:33:28] <&ShockWave> I woke up
[20:33:31] <Mindraker> That is cool
[20:33:32] <&ShockWave> and sat in bed for like 10 minutes
[20:33:46] <&ShockWave> trying to hold on to the feeling, with the hope that I could do it in real life
[20:33:51] <%Oreoboy1996> i've found that using jutsu is good for passive control
[20:34:02] <Mindraker> spellcasting, of sorts?
[20:34:18] <&ShockWave> gathering energy from your surroundings
[20:34:24] <%Oreoboy1996> technique/spells
[20:34:27] <%Oreoboy1996> whatever you want to call it
[20:34:29] <&ShockWave> and compressing it into a ball in your hand(s)
[20:35:19] <%Oreoboy1996> and spin it
[20:35:37] <&ShockWave> yes
[20:35:59] <&ShockWave> basically, it's like having a balloon full of water
[20:36:12] <&ShockWave> and swirling the water inside, faster and faster
[20:36:25] <Mindraker> I'm not all up-to-date on all this stuff
[20:36:29] <&ShockWave> while never letting the water morph the shape of the balloon
[20:36:45] <%Oreoboy1996> go get updated then >.>
[20:37:07] <@CanisLucidus> It sounds like I don't watch nearly enough of the right kind of tv programs
[20:37:12] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: Summoning Light, Among Other Things."
[20:37:14] <Mindraker> I thought I was pretty good watching Pokemon for my gf's kids, only to realize her kids had already moved on to something else...
[20:37:49] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[20:38:04] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: did you say that you had tried the flashlight summoning before?
[20:38:15] <@CanisLucidus> Did that fall prey to the light switch problem schema thing you've got?
[20:38:44] <@OpheliaBlue> No not yet, but I have had lucid light switches fail alot
[20:39:17] <@OpheliaBlue> I told paigey that I'm going to start sleeping with a flashlight under my pillow
[20:39:47] <@OpheliaBlue> Who knows, maybe it will work its way into my dreams *fingers crossed*
[20:40:11] <@CanisLucidus> Nice idea
[20:40:43] <@CanisLucidus> I was listening to a podcast on bioluminescence on the way to work today so if I get really ambitious I may try to glow-stick myself
[20:40:58] <Mindraker> My DJ has worked its way into my dreams, as it's the first thing I use after I wake up
[20:41:13] <Mindraker> I'm surprised my computer isn't floating around in my dreams
[20:41:15] <@CanisLucidus> Mindraker: via false awakening? Didja write in it?
[20:41:20] <Mindraker> YES!
[20:41:23] <%Oreoboy1996> CanisLucidus: crack your back and shake yourself?
[20:41:28] <Mindraker> I put my dreams in my dream journal in my dream!
[20:41:39] <Mindraker> I've done it more than once!
[20:41:58] <&ShockWave> test
[20:42:01] ShockWave [[email protected]] is now known as ShockWave|BRB
[20:42:03] ShockWave|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as ShockWave
[20:42:17] Mindraker sees Shockwave
[20:42:24] <@OpheliaBlue> lol oreo
[20:42:32] <@OpheliaBlue> like those things on Despicable Me
[20:42:59] <@CanisLucidus> Oreoboy1996: Maybe something like that
[20:43:11] <%Oreoboy1996> yep
[20:43:15] <@OpheliaBlue> It's nouts though.. I can summon a make-shift submarine to form around me so I can go underwater during the time of the dinosaurs.. but when I need fekking light
[20:43:25] <@OpheliaBlue> Maybe I need to lucid dream about me being a caveman
[20:43:36] <Mindraker> Fish don't need 'fekking light'
[20:43:40] <@OpheliaBlue> and do it old school
[20:44:15] <@OpheliaBlue> you know Mindraker, when I was underwater in that dream, it was really cloudy and visual-snowy.. but I just accepted it because it was underwater
[20:44:54] <Mindraker> Did you try swimming/piloting in different water?
[20:46:48] <@OpheliaBlue> Different water? I'm not sure what you mean.
[20:47:13] <Mindraker> Well, let's say the water of the Great Lakes is cleaner than the Mississippi River.
[20:48:11] <Mindraker> If you were a fish swimming in the "Mississippi River", your water would most likely be "cloudy and visual-snowy"...
[20:48:34] <Mindraker> But if you were in the Great Lakes... it might be a different story...
[20:49:46] <@OpheliaBlue> Oh that's a damn good point!
[20:50:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I found a river in my home town that doesn't exist in real life, but I DID swim in Lake Ray Hubbord in real life which is near me, and it was brown and murky kinda like it was in the dream.
[20:50:45] <@OpheliaBlue> I mean, I found a river in the lucid*
[20:50:51] <Mindraker> You might not necessarily need to change the light, in other words... there are other factors you can change
[20:51:14] <@CanisLucidus> I'd been thinking about what the water would look like. I was trying to imagine something really nice like Zihuatanejo at the end of Shawshank Redemption. Remember that water?
[20:51:33] <@CanisLucidus> I was hoping Cretaceous would be kinda like that
[20:51:43] <@OpheliaBlue> Good idea. Thanks. I'll be honest though, my vision problems are when I'm just walkign around my house. And I ALWAYS have tons of lights on. I'm one of those women
[20:51:48] <Mindraker> Oh, where he's washing himself off?
[20:51:52] <@OpheliaBlue> But I have visual snow irl
[20:52:20] <@CanisLucidus> The very very end when he's ... has anyone not seen this? lol
[20:52:36] <Mindraker> Great movie
[20:53:26] <@CanisLucidus> Indeed! Wouldn't want to spoil it. But anyway, like you said, nice clear ocean water away from any murky river deltas like Mississippi's mouth
[20:53:59] <Mindraker> ^^^ I was born & raised in New Orleans, I know not to drink Mississippi water.
[20:54:40] <@CanisLucidus> Ahh! Got a lot of folk up that way. So yeah, you know.
[20:54:47] <Mindraker>
[20:55:31] <Mindraker> Keep talking like this, and we'll be having dreams of crawfish & crabs tonight!
[20:55:47] <@CanisLucidus> Ha! That's not so bad!
[20:55:57] <@CanisLucidus> Okay, I take that back. Crawfish of a certain size would be frightening.
[20:56:28] <@CanisLucidus> So I think for walking around in clear air, I'll be trying the ol "Hey look, I had a flashlight in my hand the whole time" trick
[20:57:25] <@CanisLucidus> If that doesn't do it I may go for the ball of light thing. I've done minor-league parlor tricks in dream but it may take a little mental adjustment to just go blasting spells left and right for me
[20:57:44] <Mindraker> That's interesting you mention that -- I don't really have a problem with something being "too dark" to see. Something may be "vague" or "fuzzy", but not "too dark".
[20:57:59] <@CanisLucidus> Good, forget we said anything
[20:58:11] <@CanisLucidus> We are making it up and you have nothing to worry about
[20:58:22] <Mindraker> No -- it's interesting --
[20:58:30] <@CanisLucidus> Just don't get too interested, ha ha
[20:58:48] <@CanisLucidus> I have had a number of scenes where I emerge in a dark room, especially the ol false awakenings
[20:59:02] <@CanisLucidus> Sometimes I make it out but I've gotten stuck in a few too
[20:59:15] <@OpheliaBlue> same
[20:59:33] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll have LDs alot that start out just fine, but then something changes and it gets dark
[20:59:57] <Mindraker> I hate when I take my flashlight out and it gets stuck in a few, too!
[21:00:23] <@CanisLucidus> Oh! That's new... I am usually okay if I make it through the initial stuff
[21:00:31] <@CanisLucidus> You really do need a portable flashlight then
[21:00:50] <@CanisLucidus> I had one more idea. You know that anticipatory feeling ofw hen you are going to open a door and the damn light is going to be SO bright that you shield your eyes?
[21:01:29] <@CanisLucidus> I'm thinking of adopting that, "Oh crap this is gonna be bright" attitude, imagine a little crack of light under the door, then figure it's going to be horribly bright when I open it
[21:01:33] <@CanisLucidus> And then hope for the best
[21:01:42] <Mindraker> OK folks, it's been great talking with you... but I need to hit the sack.
[21:01:49] <Mindraker> Sleep tight, everyone!
[21:01:58] <@CanisLucidus> Have a great night, nice meeting you Mindraker
[21:02:06] <Mindraker> You too!
[21:02:12] <Mindraker> good night
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[21:03:15] <@OpheliaBlue> awwww
[21:03:24] <@OpheliaBlue> that's a good idea CanisLucidus
[21:03:27] <@OpheliaBlue> with the door
[21:03:38] <@OpheliaBlue> I need to use mirrors mroe too, because they work so well for me
[21:03:53] <@OpheliaBlue> Use them to transport to a place with more dadgum light
[21:03:56] <@CanisLucidus> Yes, I notice that you just kill it with those mirrors
[21:04:11] <@CanisLucidus> I needed to phase through one bad once but forgot to try
[21:04:19] <@CanisLucidus> Wound up stuffing myself up the chimney of a cast iron stove, lol
[21:04:24] <@CanisLucidus> The mirror way sounds better
[21:04:29] <@OpheliaBlue> I've been lucky with mirrors. And it makes sense to utilize what already works, yeah?
[21:04:41] <@CanisLucidus> Oh absolutely
[21:05:11] <@CanisLucidus> If lucid dreams are a product of your worldview, it makes sense to keep strengthening these new, mind-expanding ideas that LD expose you to
[21:05:43] <@OpheliaBlue> so what's your "mirror" as it were?
[21:05:51] <@CanisLucidus> Plus I mean, come on... as kids we all had that weird feeling like, "That's not a parallel universe now, is it?"
[21:06:37] <@CanisLucidus> The thing I tend to fall back on is that if I say something really forcefully, it will happen
[21:06:52] <@CanisLucidus> If I give it the full Gandalf "You shall not pass!" thing, ha ha
[21:06:57] <@OpheliaBlue> really?? damn, I envy that
[21:07:27] <@OpheliaBlue> I had a massive seance with the sky in one LD, but the sun totally ignored me
[21:07:40] <@CanisLucidus> Wow, did you try to move it! Big dream goal for me
[21:07:46] <@CanisLucidus> Want it to just sweep across the sky
[21:07:50] <@OpheliaBlue> I geuss i don't have enough conviction with words irl ,so why should it work in an LD
[21:08:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I tried to move the clous out the way, and brighten the sun.. worked a little
[21:08:23] <@CanisLucidus> Ah yes, I think I read this one!
[21:08:27] <@OpheliaBlue> funny how our failures in LDs tell us so much about how we are in real life, yeha?
[21:08:38] <@CanisLucidus> That's big stuff
[21:09:11] <@CanisLucidus> Thing is, I'm still getting tripped up by surprise by little stuff, ha ha...
[21:09:37] <@OpheliaBlue> My voice really works well in LDs though. I should be able to talk to DCs and get what I want. Kinda sorta worked this morning. Ok, mirrors, talkign to DCs. Man, the apprentice is helping the teacher today!!
[21:09:53] <@OpheliaBlue> what little stuff?
[21:10:07] <@CanisLucidus> Interesting way to put it. I wonder what my failure to walk through a door means? ha ha
[21:10:08] ShockWave [[email protected]] is now known as ShockWave|Away
[21:10:20] <@CanisLucidus> I do tend to forget whatever I was doing when I enter a room
[21:10:26] <@CanisLucidus> You are really on to something
[21:11:03] <@OpheliaBlue> That's interesting.. do you lose lucidity generally when you enter a room?
[21:11:37] <@CanisLucidus> It happened to me in one LD where I felt like a badass ten foot tall LD ogre
[21:11:44] <@CanisLucidus> Then I walked through a door and ... awake! lol
[21:12:25] <@CanisLucidus> It's not general. I just figure it's an anomaly. Or I try to insist to myself that it is!
[21:13:36] <@OpheliaBlue> While going through doors is probably a great goal, I would avoid them like the plague. Hey, since you have a forceful way of saying things in an LD, what if you just scream for the wall to crumble away. Then you can see the room you're about to enter, and it won't be a transition that wakes you up?
[21:14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> Just a means to an end until doors start behaving properly for you.
[21:14:22] <@CanisLucidus> I love the idea of doing that, ha ha
[21:14:46] <@OpheliaBlue> Just trying to hone the skills that are there.
[21:15:12] <@CanisLucidus> At the same time since the door thing happened once and hasn't repeated hopefully i just got screwed over for no reason, ha ha
[21:15:14] <@OpheliaBlue> We should think of these things in waking life, have them all planned out, so we can remember them better in the next LD. I'm going to remember mirrors, and asking DCs for help.
[21:15:17] <@OpheliaBlue> You?
[21:16:38] <@CanisLucidus> Completely agree!! I like to imagine them beforehand. Mine are going to be GROW wings if I need to fly. If I need something, INSIST on it being so.
[21:17:37] <@CanisLucidus> You mentioned that you have a strong voice in your dreams. I also like to ask. But if I'm commanding, I like to say "You WILL stop dancing like that" or whatever
[21:17:45] <@CanisLucidus> And they really will
[21:18:05] <@OpheliaBlue> Haha that's so cool.
[21:18:39] <@OpheliaBlue> I love Gandalf and the Balrog. I would LOVE to become a Balrog in a lucid.
[21:18:46] <@CanisLucidus> There are some minor side effects but nothing bad. I won't say what happens so you have completely your own thing.
[21:18:49] <@CanisLucidus> Ohhh!! That is great
[21:18:54] <@CanisLucidus> Let me put that on my list
[21:19:08] <@OpheliaBlue> That's ok, hit me with the side effects.
[21:19:54] <@CanisLucidus> When I tell a DC what to do as a command, the subC just gives me the keys. They just get a thousand yard stare and do what I say.
[21:20:03] <@CanisLucidus> It is a little creepy
[21:20:11] <@OpheliaBlue> keys?
[21:20:28] <@CanisLucidus> Basically, stop filling in the interesting little animation and details of a character
[21:20:40] <@CanisLucidus> I could move them like a puppet but they stop acting in any way on their own
[21:21:11] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I know what you mean
[21:21:28] <@CanisLucidus> Particularly if I completely change what they are doing. If I coax or say, "Oh weren't you going to help me do X?" they stay in character
[21:21:37] <@CanisLucidus> But once I go bossypants they become androids
[21:21:47] <@OpheliaBlue> lol bossypants
[21:22:01] <@CanisLucidus> Much cooler to say I go Gandalf and the Balrog, ha ha
[21:22:15] <@CanisLucidus> Tolkien didn't put any "bossypants" in his books for a reason
[21:22:15] <@OpheliaBlue> I've had similar experiences. Once we take control, then they can't funtion without our control.
[21:22:26] <@CanisLucidus> I guess that really is a thing
[21:22:31] <@CanisLucidus> Xanous mentioned that happened to him
[21:22:47] <@OpheliaBlue> I read similar with other members too.
[21:22:52] <@CanisLucidus> At first I wondered if it was a product of me feeling pushy
[21:23:04] <@CanisLucidus> Interesting to see what is common and what is a product of our unique schemas/worldview
[21:23:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I so agree
[21:23:22] <@CanisLucidus> I get a little jealous of these younger practitioners that watch lots of fantasy anime
[21:23:36] <@CanisLucidus> Good base to build on for a flexible mind!
[21:24:16] <@CanisLucidus> Watching a lot of Breaking Bad just tells me how to find methylamine, not fly around and fling fireballs like these guys can do
[21:24:41] <@OpheliaBlue> Well we just need to remember our Tolkien, and Neverending Story, and Star Wars, etc
[21:24:56] <@CanisLucidus> Neverending Story!! There you go
[21:25:08] <@OpheliaBlue> Oh and Willow
[21:25:08] <@CanisLucidus> If I brought this up in front of the younger crowd I wonder if they'd know what that was
[21:25:13] <@CanisLucidus> Willow, great!
[21:25:18] <@OpheliaBlue> Maybe some Time Machine thrown in for good measure
[21:25:59] <@OpheliaBlue> oh damn I just thought of a Halloween TOTM
[21:26:16] <@CanisLucidus> I imagine it's too late...? You guys have probably selected?
[21:26:20] <@OpheliaBlue> Soylent Green.
[21:26:27] <@OpheliaBlue> No I haven't yet.
[21:26:35] <@CanisLucidus> LOL... as in "turn a DC into"?
[21:26:37] <@CanisLucidus> omg
[21:26:59] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I dunno, something just made me think of "Soylent Green... is made... of PEOPLE"
[21:27:10] <@CanisLucidus> arghhhh, ha ha
[21:27:16] Exotiraan had a dream recall explosion this morning.
[21:27:32] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, there were a shocking lack of halloween TOTM ideas. Whatever you think of, I'll put in the pot
[21:27:41] <@CanisLucidus> Looking forward to October's as well! Tho I am really gonna miss these septermber tasks
[21:30:09] <@CanisLucidus> Oh, not too many ideas yet huh? I've been wondering how dark they'd end up. I sensed a certain excitement about october in the TotM podcast, ha ha
[21:30:41] <@CanisLucidus> Exotiraan: any identifiable secret of success for the dream recall explosion?
[21:31:01] <Exotiraan> I have no idea, besides the fact that I didn't go to sleep until 0530.
[21:31:26] <@OpheliaBlue> that's naughty Exotiraan
[21:31:37] <@OpheliaBlue> go to bed by midnight
[21:32:07] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, what you guys got for October TOTM ideas?
[21:32:12] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm open for suggestions
[21:32:12] <Exotiraan> I work between 2100 and 0100.
[21:32:28] <@OpheliaBlue> so go to bed at 0101
[21:32:31] <@OpheliaBlue> derr
[21:32:31] <@CanisLucidus> 5:30!! That's like half an hour from my alarm clock
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[21:32:58] <@CanisLucidus> October, october.... let's see
[21:33:06] <@CanisLucidus> Heya hathor28!
[21:33:08] <Exotiraan> I thought work would make me go to bed sooner, but I'm just stayign up even later, now.
[21:33:12] <hathor28> hi
[21:33:13] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Hathor!
[21:33:28] <hathor28> long time
[21:33:40] <@CanisLucidus> How dark do these Halloween tasks get?
[21:33:45] <@CanisLucidus> Lemme check the history
[21:33:46] <hathor28> lol
[21:34:09] <@OpheliaBlue> I want them as dark as possible.. it's only one month a year of course
[21:34:26] <Exotiraan> I'm still all 'aww!' that I got woken up in the middle of a Jamacan guy dancing over me.
[21:34:48] <Exotiraan>
[21:35:12] <@CanisLucidus> Let me go into brainstorming, no judgment mode
[21:35:30] <@CanisLucidus> Remove your own head, turn it around and view your dream body
[21:35:41] <hathor28> eew
[21:35:45] <%Oreoboy1996> need to finish my dj entry so i can make suggestions >.>
[21:36:15] <hathor28> thought you dont do djs here oreo
[21:36:30] <%Oreoboy1996> i do them when i complete a task of the month
[21:36:33] <%Oreoboy1996> so i can get credit
[21:36:38] <hathor28> lol
[21:36:46] <@CanisLucidus> Hey, pre-congratulations
[21:36:52] <hathor28> pre?
[21:36:53] <%Oreoboy1996>
[21:37:09] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't even get congratulations unless i journal it apparently
[21:37:21] <@OpheliaBlue> awww
[21:37:32] <hathor28> lol
[21:37:33] <@OpheliaBlue> I just don't always know you did it!
[21:37:44] <@CanisLucidus> Ha ha... did you post in the TotM thread?
[21:38:05] <%Oreoboy1996> not yet
[21:38:23] <@CanisLucidus> Looking forward to seeing it... was this basic or advanced?
[21:38:48] <%Oreoboy1996> basic
[21:39:09] <%Oreoboy1996> i still plan to do the advanced even if september passes
[21:39:18] <@CanisLucidus> yeah it's a good one
[21:39:31] <hathor28> so dv chat changed i see
[21:39:49] <@CanisLucidus> hathor28: What'd you notice that's different?
[21:39:55] <hathor28> fonts
[21:40:08] <Exotiraan> Are you sure that's not just your browser rendering them funny?
[21:40:18] <hathor28> and not much people at dv lol
[21:40:24] <Exotiraan> Though, I haven't used Webchat ain ages, so I wouldn't know.
[21:40:33] <Exotiraan> (Thank $DEITY.)
[21:40:38] <hathor28> no i always used firefox
[21:41:21] <@OpheliaBlue> my font hasn't changed.. might be a client glitch or something
[21:41:39] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Looks like the past Halloween tasks have been really tame
[21:41:40] <hathor28> its been almost a month not coming to chat
[21:42:09] <hathor28> might be
[21:42:17] <%Oreoboy1996> what were the past tasks?
[21:42:26] <Exotiraan> !totm
[21:42:31] <DemonBot> Exotiraan: Basic Task - Shrink yourself down to the size of an insect and explore the world. ~~ Advanced Task - Swim in an ocean during the Cretaceous Era, and describe the marine life you come across.
[21:42:46] <Exotiraan> Oh, good, that still works.
[21:42:46] <hathor28> i cant do that
[21:42:56] <@CanisLucidus> Hey that's cool
[21:42:59] <hathor28> wth lol
[21:43:07] <@CanisLucidus> Oreoboy1996: "Visit a house and ask for Trick or Treat - Report what you were given"
[21:43:18] <@CanisLucidus> Oreoboy1996: "Become one of the 13 Gods of Olympus"
[21:43:22] <hathor28> thats better
[21:43:23] <Exotiraan> "Swim in a—" Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope!
[21:43:24] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, in the past they were quite lame
[21:43:34] <Exotiraan> I still have a bad time with water in my dreams.
[21:43:53] <%Oreoboy1996> with that being said we definitely need more horrid and nightmarish tasks
[21:43:58] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm already good at those
[21:44:01] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[21:44:25] <hathor28> cut yourself
[21:44:27] <hathor28> lol
[21:44:49] <Exotiraan> "Take on scary demons in an closed area."
[21:44:53] <Exotiraan> s/an/a/
[21:44:54] <DemonBot> <Exotiraan> "Take on scary demons in a closed area."
[21:44:56] <@OpheliaBlue> s'ok then, what you guys got?
[21:45:23] <@OpheliaBlue> hathor28: yeah I like anything that's surgery on oneself
[21:45:44] <hathor28> maybe yet kill yourself lol
[21:45:50] <Exotiraan> "Switch various body parts with a DC."
[21:45:53] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: anything demon for sure
[21:45:59] <@OpheliaBlue> haha cool!
[21:46:22] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't think i've ever really suicided
[21:46:23] <@OpheliaBlue> killing oneself and the headless horseman task might be something that could go together
[21:46:26] <%Oreoboy1996> maybe sacrificed myself
[21:46:35] <hathor28> well what do you do when you want to kill yourself and you dont die ?
[21:46:55] <%Oreoboy1996> you start to kill other people like jigsaw
[21:47:02] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: In before someone takes offence to it.
[21:47:23] <%Oreoboy1996> take offense to what? O_o
[21:47:28] <hathor28> lol
[21:48:26] <Exotiraan> Oreoboy1996: The 'kill yourself' one.
[21:48:34] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[21:49:02] <%Oreoboy1996> i know a lot of ways to kill myself in a dream
[21:49:28] <hathor28> jumping off a building wont work
[21:49:35] <%Oreoboy1996> why not?
[21:49:44] <hathor28> you will wake up before you hit the floor aha
[21:49:49] <@CanisLucidus> When does the occasion arise where you need to kill yourself?
[21:49:52] <%Oreoboy1996> unfortunately i don't
[21:50:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i hit the ground and THEN i wake up
[21:50:02] <Exotiraan> I've blown myself up once, drowned myself, got crushed under an elevator, got attacked by a Gamzee-spider...
[21:50:02] <@OpheliaBlue> hathor28: that might be just a tad left of the line for the direction we're going
[21:50:04] <hathor28> tripping makes me wake
[21:50:20] <@CanisLucidus> I've jumped off of a building (failed flight) and I was fine. I imagine it's different for different folks.
[21:50:36] <%Oreoboy1996> i jumped off a giant flying slinky once
[21:50:37] <hathor28> lmao failed flight
[21:50:41] <%Oreoboy1996> i hit the ground and it hurt
[21:50:44] <%Oreoboy1996> but i was still dreaming
[21:50:56] <hathor28> wtf
[21:50:58] <@CanisLucidus> You've got me on the slinky one
[21:51:03] <hathor28> flying slinky?
[21:51:06] <hathor28> XD
[21:51:07] <%Oreoboy1996> you heard me hathor >.>
[21:51:10] <%Oreoboy1996> giant flying slinky!
[21:51:11] Exotiraan goes to work.
[21:51:13] <hathor28> lmao
[21:51:17] <%Oreoboy1996> bye Exotiraan
[21:51:30] <hathor28> cya exo
[21:51:59] <@CanisLucidus> good night Exotiraan
[21:52:34] <@OpheliaBlue> night demon lover
[21:52:41] <%Oreoboy1996> rather than killing yourself
[21:52:45] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Any resurrection, Frankenstein, or walking dead ideas been suggested yet?
[21:52:50] <%Oreoboy1996> how about meeting Death/the grim reaper?
[21:52:56] <%Oreoboy1996> i met him once
[21:53:00] <%Oreoboy1996> he's not fun D:
[21:53:09] <hathor28> im sure
[21:53:15] <@CanisLucidus> Oreoboy1996: Believe it or not, Grim Reaper has been done!
[21:53:26] <%Oreoboy1996> i figured
[21:53:31] <@CanisLucidus> 2010 October it looks like... good idea tho
[21:54:03] <%Oreoboy1996> based on the ressurection idea
[21:54:06] <%Oreoboy1996> how about some necromancy?
[21:54:11] <%Oreoboy1996> necromancy is always fun
[21:54:39] <@OpheliaBlue> Frankenstein yes, but no zombie stuff yet
[21:54:50] <%Oreoboy1996>
[21:55:13] <@OpheliaBlue> necromancy? expand..
[21:55:30] <@CanisLucidus> There's a whole genre of "transform your self into X and do evil deed Y" tasks
[21:55:48] <@CanisLucidus> Like werewolf, vampire, zombie, etc. And feed on a DC. (I'm not sure I would do this one, lol)
[21:55:48] <@OpheliaBlue> I likes
[21:55:53] <hathor28> i had corpse dream
[21:55:54] <%Oreoboy1996> necromancy is when you raise the dead
[21:56:03] <@OpheliaBlue> the vampire thing was touched on briefly
[21:56:04] <%Oreoboy1996> typically with an evil spell book
[21:56:06] <hathor28> last month i think
[21:57:00] <%Oreoboy1996> "go into a graveyard in the middle of the night and use your necromancy to awaken the dead"
[21:57:04] <%Oreoboy1996> how's that?
[21:57:11] <@OpheliaBlue> oooo
[21:57:24] <%Oreoboy1996> just a graveyard in the middle of the night is pretty spooky
[21:57:56] <@CanisLucidus> It gets worse now that you just made some corpse plunge its hand up through the ground!
[21:58:08] <%Oreoboy1996> yup
[21:58:40] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't know what i would do with them though >.>
[21:58:56] <%Oreoboy1996> probably a zombie dance party
[21:59:01] <@CanisLucidus> lol... this is so much scarier than the Cretaceous for me
[21:59:06] <@CanisLucidus> I'm all Scooby Doo when it comes to this stuff
[21:59:25] <%Oreoboy1996> i handle it all pretty well
[21:59:29] <%Oreoboy1996> except spiders
[21:59:35] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't like spiders >.>
[21:59:58] <@CanisLucidus> I have a IWL spider story that you would curl your hair
[22:00:02] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^ Ron Weasley
[22:00:06] <@CanisLucidus> heh heh heh
[22:00:13] <hathor28> lol
[22:00:25] <@OpheliaBlue> let's have it CanisLucidus
[22:00:41] Oreoboy1996 covers his eyes
[22:00:48] <hathor28> watches
[22:00:51] <hathor28> lol
[22:01:07] <@CanisLucidus> This enormous spider followed me in from outside
[22:01:13] <hathor28> LMAO
[22:01:18] <@CanisLucidus> Body the size of a big marble and longish legs... but that freaking body... ugh
[22:01:25] <@CanisLucidus> So the thing is wobbling along the wall, grossing me out
[22:01:41] <@CanisLucidus> I grab my shoe and smash its huge bulbous body
[22:01:49] <hathor28> omg so hilarious to me just by reading it
[22:01:52] <@CanisLucidus> And HUNDREDS of these little baby spiders come pouring out from under my shoe
[22:02:05] <@CanisLucidus> Crawling everywhere
[22:02:05] <@OpheliaBlue> DREAM?
[22:02:12] <@CanisLucidus> IWL my friend... IWL
[22:02:12] <hathor28> ahahaha
[22:02:15] <@CanisLucidus> uggghghghghhg
[22:02:16] <@OpheliaBlue> SKDbfkzsdf,mn
[22:02:28] <@CanisLucidus> Even now, just gives me the superchills
[22:02:51] <@CanisLucidus> I'm like yelling to Wife "Oh my God don't look!! Don't look!" (She doesn't like bugs/arachnids)
[22:03:11] <hathor28> IWL?
[22:03:20] <@CanisLucidus> Totally IWL. I wish it was a dream.
[22:03:31] <hathor28> where was this?
[22:03:32] <%Oreoboy1996> i had something similar when i was a kid
[22:03:42] <%Oreoboy1996> except we had a slip n slide on the lawn
[22:03:43] <@CanisLucidus> It crawled in from our back yard
[22:03:50] <%Oreoboy1996> and the baby spiders crawled out from under it O_O
[22:03:51] <@CanisLucidus> And was in the kitchen. Followed me inside.
[22:03:58] <hathor28> erk
[22:03:59] <@OpheliaBlue> the mother needed shelter
[22:04:14] <@CanisLucidus> Eww, like while you were sliding across it?
[22:04:22] <@CanisLucidus> Dude, I think I know why you hate spiders
[22:04:30] <%Oreoboy1996> CanisLucidus: yup
[22:04:46] <%Oreoboy1996> and i hated them for as long as i can remember
[22:05:15] <hathor28> baby spiders are easily to be killed
[22:05:32] <%Oreoboy1996> apparently there is some thing where babies automatically identify the shapes of spiders and snakes and imprint the reactions there parents have to them
[22:06:01] <%Oreoboy1996> basically it means we're meant to be afraid
[22:06:06] <@CanisLucidus> Fortunately yes, the babies are really slow. But oh sweet mercy... seeing hundreds of those things crawling around from out of nowhere
[22:06:23] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: Creepy October TOTM Ideas"
[22:06:40] <%Oreoboy1996> if there is a spider task
[22:06:42] <%Oreoboy1996> i refuse >.>
[22:06:48] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm digging somethign spidery, or just phobia-y
[22:06:55] <hathor28> lol
[22:07:13] <@OpheliaBlue> well think of it this way, it's like the super underwater dino thing, just reduced now
[22:07:17] <%Oreoboy1996> besides, i've already had a dream where i was riding a train through a tunnel filled with thousands of giant spiders
[22:07:23] <@OpheliaBlue> snakes, spiders, llamas, etc
[22:07:27] <%Oreoboy1996> llamas?
[22:07:31] <@OpheliaBlue> haha!
[22:07:33] <@CanisLucidus> Special task for Oreoboy1996? "Find huge spider with big, wobbly, bulbous body and smash with bare hands. Count babies."
[22:07:42] <%Oreoboy1996> D:
[22:07:52] <@OpheliaBlue> rabid llamas from HELL
[22:08:29] <@OpheliaBlue> what about germs and diseases?
[22:08:56] <@CanisLucidus> Oh my gosh! Like, "catch syphilis"?
[22:09:05] <@OpheliaBlue> contract a flesh-eating bacteria, list amputations
[22:09:17] <@OpheliaBlue> haha syphilis... only if the whore was hot
[22:09:45] <@CanisLucidus> Oh man flesh eating bacteria! That's creepy
[22:09:50] <%Oreoboy1996> syphilis?
[22:09:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i've heard of it but i don't know what it is
[22:10:28] <@CanisLucidus> Nasty, gnarly STD that used to not be treatable. Horrid symptoms if untreated.
[22:10:40] <@CanisLucidus> Halloween-level
[22:10:45] <%Oreoboy1996> still pretty vague >.>
[22:11:37] <@OpheliaBlue> they have wiki
[22:12:46] <@CanisLucidus> Yeah, it's a little too close to dream time for me to get into too much detail on that, ha ha
[22:13:35] <@OpheliaBlue> hey do y'all ever read she's dreams?
[22:13:54] <@OpheliaBlue> She had some cretaceous beast eat her leg up, and she threw up in the dream
[22:13:56] <@OpheliaBlue> it was lucid
[22:13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> gahh
[22:13:59] <@CanisLucidus> I believe that I read her totm entry
[22:14:08] <@CanisLucidus> yeah!! I remember her barfing in dream
[22:14:14] <@CanisLucidus> I found it funny that she said that like it was nothing
[22:14:40] <%Oreoboy1996> oh apparently they get a pretty bad rash
[22:14:57] <%Oreoboy1996> and lots of inflamation
[22:15:08] <@CanisLucidus> You're thinking like a "let yourself get eaten (and then barf)" task?
[22:15:27] <%Oreoboy1996> haven't read that ophelia
[22:15:43] <%Oreoboy1996> i've had my leg torn off by a dog in a dream
[22:15:51] <%Oreoboy1996> kind of close to her dream
[22:16:05] <%Oreoboy1996> i didn't vomit though
[22:16:09] <@CanisLucidus> Wow man. You are ready to go for Halloween.
[22:16:24] <@OpheliaBlue> it's halloweenie time!
[22:16:30] <%Oreoboy1996> i think the last time i vomited in a dream was when i was chased by a giant sperm
[22:16:39] <%Oreoboy1996> and then someone cooked it and ate it
[22:16:44] <@CanisLucidus> FFS
[22:16:48] <%Oreoboy1996> sweet dreams CanisLucidus
[22:16:49] <@CanisLucidus> I don't blame you
[22:16:53] <hathor28> lmao
[22:16:55] <@CanisLucidus> Yeah, ha ha, thanks bro
[22:17:48] <@CanisLucidus> Well folks! I need to head out... fun chatting with ya
[22:17:52] <%Oreoboy1996> bye
[22:17:53] <@CanisLucidus> Have a good night!
[22:17:59] <@OpheliaBlue> night CanisLucidus
[22:18:05] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks for everything!
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[22:20:29] <hathor28> guess class is done
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[22:21:27] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it was done 2 hours ago, we were just chitchatting about dreamssssssssss
[22:21:29] <@OpheliaBlue> BYE
[22:21:29] <%Oreoboy1996> class was done a long time ago lol
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[22:37:05] <%Oreoboy1996> finally got the dream journaled Basic TOTM (September 28, 2012) - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[22:42:14] <%Oreoboy1996> looks like a lot of people were interested this month
[22:44:28] <%Oreoboy1996> trying to remember how to request access >.>
[22:46:05] <%Oreoboy1996> nevermind, think i figured it out
[22:47:28] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry!
[22:47:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I was away
[22:47:59] <%Oreoboy1996> lol it's okay
[22:48:10] <%Oreoboy1996> i just realized how weird the ending was
[22:49:50] <@OpheliaBlue> lol, cool dream!
[22:50:04] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, you should be able to get to the lucid task club now
[22:51:26] <%Oreoboy1996> going to read through the suggestions now
[22:53:38] <@OpheliaBlue> awesome

Monday, October 1, 2012, 6PM:

Spoiler for #DVA:

<OpheliaBlue> So here's the october's TOTM post: http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...5/#post1947483
<OpheliaBlue> I kidna wanted to talk about how I added the extra ones to cover more members' abilities, strengths etc
<OpheliaBlue> instead of BASIC or ADVANCED
<Oreoboy1996> well when i saw that there were four instead of two i was like
<OpheliaBlue> oh good, was hoping it wasn't too controversial, ooooo
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<OpheliaBlue> hey dave
<OpheliaBlue> http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...5/#post1947483
<Oreoboy1996> and when i saw that i actually did one of the tasks already i was like double
<SpaceCowboyDave> oh my god OpheliaBlue
<SpaceCowboyDave> change your avatar
<Oreoboy1996> hello SpaceCowboyDave
<SpaceCowboyDave> its going to give me nightmares
<OpheliaBlue> I know that's so cool Oreoboy1996, it's like you were already in halloween mode
<Xanous> Cool I haven't had a chance to look
<Oreoboy1996> it's october SpaceCowboyDave
<SpaceCowboyDave> yes it is
<Oreoboy1996> we're supposed to give you nightmares this month
<SpaceCowboyDave> I don't get nightmares
<OpheliaBlue> nightmares that you can *hopefully* control somewhat, and make it fun
<SpaceCowboyDave> * I don't always get nightmares
<SpaceCowboyDave> but when I do
<OpheliaBlue> XX
<SpaceCowboyDave> Its of OpheliaBlue's avatar
<Oreoboy1996> well last night i decided to incubate some zombie dreams to start off october
<Oreoboy1996> so i was in halloween mode
<OpheliaBlue> lol dave
<SpaceCowboyDave> OpheliaBlue: Oh definately, knock on wood
<SpaceCowboyDave> I havent had a lucid in a month
<OpheliaBlue> that's really cool oreo, give us the quick and ugly
<Oreoboy1996> i got bit in the leg by a zombie and then shot myself in the head
<OpheliaBlue> you had to shoot yourself? couldn't just wake up from it? or be a zombie for a while and eat some young virgin?
<Oreoboy1996> well i wasn't exactly looking forward to turning into a zombie or being eaten by them
<Oreoboy1996> so i chose to shoot myself to avoid turning
<Oreoboy1996> but it turns out that didn't kill me
<OpheliaBlue> oh gawd
<Oreoboy1996> i "passed out" and "woke up" in a bed with bandages around my head
<OpheliaBlue> there's a TOTM: shoot yourself but don't die
<Oreoboy1996> and my skin was gray and i felt really sick
<OpheliaBlue> gaaaah
<Oreoboy1996> and i wasn't really thinking clearly
<Oreoboy1996> massive headache in the dream too
<Oreoboy1996> not sure if that was from the infection or from the bullet >.>
<OpheliaBlue> that sucks... too much pain and vomiting in your dreams
<Oreoboy1996> actually i didn't vomit
<Oreoboy1996> i just felt like crap
<Xanous> Thats epic hahah
<OpheliaBlue> I really want to do the one with the other DV members. I love experiencing and reading other DV member dreams.
<OpheliaBlue> SpaceCowboyDave: when I said "XX" before, I was referring to Dos Equis, because I thought that was what you were about to say lol
<Xanous> I love that idea. Its really cool when DV members show up
<SpaceCowboyDave> oh I see
<Xanous> I don't believe in it but it would cool if there happened to be some sort of shared dream experience!
<OpheliaBlue> Speaking of the Advanced Task, what would be some ways of getting decapitated?
<OpheliaBlue> that would be interesting Xanous
<Oreoboy1996> i plan to have Claire cut off my head with her sword
<OpheliaBlue> I thought of using cheesewire on myself. I think I could do that easily.
<OpheliaBlue> back to front though, would be less gross I think
<Xanous> I have a dagger hanging in my room. If I DEILD I should be able to find it easily.
<OpheliaBlue> oh gosh.. you'll really have to dig in there with just a dagger, yipes
<Xanous> lol its a bit longer than that actually
<OpheliaBlue> I don't know which is worse, giant underwater dinosaurs or self decapitation
<Xanous> Im not sure I could do it
<Xanous> Better to have a DC do it
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<OpheliaBlue> yay
<TwilightShawn> Yay!
<TwilightShawn> I'm new to this obviously
<SpaceCowboyDave> moooooooooooooooooo
<OpheliaBlue> hi guys, we're discussing this month's tasks: http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...2012-a-136745/
<Superdub49> ooh.. OpheliaBlue
<Superdub49> I had a lucid
<Superdub49> 2 nights ago
<OpheliaBlue> yeah? do tell
<Superdub49> well
<Superdub49> I went lucid
<OpheliaBlue> TwilightShawn: they're halloween style
<Superdub49> and then woke up
<Superdub49> xD
<Oreoboy1996> i would say self decapitation is worse OpheliaBlue
<Superdub49> it was just 2 seconds of lucidity
<OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: I think it would be ok with the cheesewire, back to front
<Oreoboy1996> the dinosaur task at least has room for getting out without injury >.>
<OpheliaBlue> oh nvm I see what you mean
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<Superdub49> wow OpheliaBlue ...
<OpheliaBlue> yeah, self decap will definitely be worse
<Oreoboy1996> we scared it away
<Superdub49> the beginner Task
<OpheliaBlue> lol he's new
<Superdub49> the first one
<Superdub49> seems painful
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<Oreoboy1996> hello TwilightShawn
<OpheliaBlue> wb TwilightShawn
<Oreoboy1996> Superdub49: being bit? it is painful
<TwilightShawn> I was trying to read the task of the month and I disconnected!
<OpheliaBlue> Superdub49: getting bit by a vampire seems notnearly as painful as the decapitation one
* Forsaken|Away is now known as Forsaken
<Xanous> I can't believe we are trying to think of ways to self decap
<OpheliaBlue> hey Ken
<Superdub49> well I mean...
<Oreoboy1996> well i think it depends who you get bit by
<OpheliaBlue> when else could we ever discuss this and it not actually kill us
<Forsaken> nerp?
<Xanous> Oreoboy1996, true
<OpheliaBlue> oh yeah, werewolf is probably worse than a vamp
<Oreoboy1996> yeah
<OpheliaBlue> chunks of flesh, vs 2 little bite holes
<Oreoboy1996> probably worse than a zombie two
<OpheliaBlue> but the transition would be way cooler
<Oreoboy1996> since i did this task without knowing it was a task
<Oreoboy1996> i think i'm going to do it again except with a werewolf
<Xanous> I have never TRIED to have a nightmare. I can't wait lol
<OpheliaBlue> oh and anyone please feel free to post lucid-inspiration pictures/videos on that thread.. seemed to work well last month
<Forsaken> just drive your car under a tractor trailer rig, that usually works
<Xanous> OldSparta|Away, good idea
<OpheliaBlue> dah fwik you talkin bout Ken?
<Oreoboy1996> lol
<SpaceCowboyDave> I want some spagetti
<Forsaken> i thought you were looking for ways to self decapitate
<OpheliaBlue> stay on topic boy
<Oreoboy1996> i would post a zombie bite one
<Oreoboy1996> but it would probably be too gorey
<OpheliaBlue> OHH my bad lol
<Xanous> Forsaken, that might work
<OpheliaBlue> esp in a convertable
<Forsaken> oh it does, sometimes it cuts a little too low though
<Xanous> lol
<OpheliaBlue> that's how Jane Mansfield got her head lopped off
<Xanous> Oh God what if we botch it. ugh
<OpheliaBlue> just remember, the real you ls always safe in bed
<OpheliaBlue> unless someone irl is coming to get you while you sleep
<Oreoboy1996> ^
<Oreoboy1996> was going to say that
<OpheliaBlue> haha
<Xanous> I sleep next to a gun
<Oreoboy1996> hmm
<TwilightShawn> :I
<Oreoboy1996> i wonder if Micheal Myers will come back this halloween
<OpheliaBlue> probably
<Oreoboy1996> for all i know he's still lurking in the shadows >.>
<SpaceCowboyDave> !brb gonna make some diddlin'
* SpaceCowboyDave is now known as SpaceCowboyDave|BRB
<OpheliaBlue> So what about some ideas for whipping up a Frankenstein's Monster
<OpheliaBlue> I think this one could be one of the examples that require longer lucid dreaming abilities.
<Oreoboy1996> a shovel, a power saw, and some fire magic
<OpheliaBlue> Gathering body parts, sewing/gluing/ducttaping them together.
<OpheliaBlue> Yeah I was gonna ask, use magic to bring him to life as opposed to electricity.
<Xanous> TK would be best
<Oreoboy1996> oh and either lightning magic or a necromancy spell to bring it to life
<Exotiraan> !totm
<DemonBot> Exotiraan: Basic Task i - Let a vampire, werewolf, or zombie bite you, then describe the subsequent transition. ~~ Basic Task ii - Imagine all the members of DV live in the same neighborhood. Then go trick-o-treating there and describe who you meet. Advanced Task i - Carve up a pumpkin and replace your head with it. Use any means necessary. Advanced Task ii - Go to a graveyard or morgue, gather up enough (1 more message)
<Oreoboy1996> i should probably also bring safety goggles
<OpheliaBlue> sorry Exotiraan, there are 4 this month so it's longer
<Xanous> You could hack up the neighbors
<OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: can you work it to where it can hold more characters? Or just split them up into 2 thingamagigs?
<Xanous> DC neighbors
<Exotiraan> !more
<DemonBot> Exotiraan: body parts to create your own Frankenstein's Monster, then animate it. HAVE FUN AND HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!
<OpheliaBlue> ah ok
<OpheliaBlue> Xanous: that's a really cool idea. If you want to incorporate some mass murder for kicks, then use their parts.
<OpheliaBlue> You could create a collage of your worst enemies
<OpheliaBlue> make it do yard work
<Xanous> lol well they would be the most handy for me. DEILDs start in my house so... you know.
<OpheliaBlue> good point.. mine start in my bed, so going out the front door is pretty easy. waste less time trying to conjure up a morgue or graveyard
<OpheliaBlue> I'm all about lucid efficency
<Xanous> Right
<SpaceCowboyDave|BRB> I'm going to try this DEILD technique
<SpaceCowboyDave|BRB> !back
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<OpheliaBlue> use your skills, advantages etc
<Oreoboy1996> my dreams can start anywhere
<Oreoboy1996> i don't use DEILD often though
<OpheliaBlue> my DILDs do, but my WILDs and DEILDs are always in my bed
<Xanous> same here almost like OBE stuff
<Oreoboy1996> when i use DEILD i typically end up in the previous dream
<OpheliaBlue> ^^
<OpheliaBlue> that's cool, that's how it is for most I think
<Xanous> Never happened to me. Interesting.
<OpheliaBlue> I guess my subconscious is just really literal lol. "You are transitioning into a dream but you're in your bed, so..."
<SpaceCowboyDave> I just don't understand the "Seperation"
<SpaceCowboyDave> I think that I would think about it too much
<SpaceCowboyDave> and nothing would happen
<OpheliaBlue> The separation?"
<SpaceCowboyDave> oh maybe this technique isnt normal DEILD
<SpaceCowboyDave> in this one you wake up
<SpaceCowboyDave> and then within 5 seconds you seperate
<SpaceCowboyDave> hang on
<OpheliaBlue> no worries, class just ended anyway. been 30 minutes and we covered the TOTMs

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Saturday, October 6th, at 7am CST
• Monday, October 8th, at 8pm CST

Next #DVA Chat Time: Wednesday, November 7th, from 12noon - 3pm CST

I'll be there the whole time, so drop by at any point if you're free

Wednesday, November 7th, 12PM Chat:
This session was 3 hours in length and the first hour is missing from the chat logs, but here's the last 2 hours:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[18:57] NewArtemis: does it work?
[18:57] kjarva: I'm into electronics and had done a home made one using my arduino board, however this just looks a lot comfier
[18:58] kjarva: don't know - it's not arrived yet lol
[18:58] hathor28: hate it because it's a money getting invention...i don't give money to something i can do
[18:58] Oreoboy1996: it should work
[18:58] Oreoboy1996: hathor28 : well they're not going to hand it out for free
[18:58] OpheliaBlue: don't know if I would ever use it, but I love hearing about others' experiments with this stuff
[18:58] OpheliaBlue: it's interesting to me
[18:58] hathor28: plus who knows what it does to your brain
[18:58] melanieb: ??
[18:58] kjarva: true. Like I said I built my own but it was pretty uncomfortable, even though it was working in a limited way. I think a comfier one might improve results a lot more
[18:59] hathor28: my lucidness is free lol
[18:59] Oreoboy1996: hathor28 : i highly doubt it messes with your brain anymore than normal lucid dreaming does
[18:59] kjarva:
[18:59] melanieb: Cell phone does more to your brain than the LD mask would
[18:59] OpheliaBlue: lol
[18:59] kjarva: I thought it was worth a shot and I did like the idea.
[18:59] Oreoboy1996: and although it costs money it has the potential to make lucid dreaming easier/quicker to learn
[18:59] kjarva: I will certainly feed back when it arrives
[19:00] melanieb: Post it in the Pics of your everday life thread
[19:00] hathor28: we dont sleep with cellphones on our faces lol
[19:00] melanieb:
[19:00] Oreoboy1996: that's not the point though hathor
[19:00] paigeyemps^: Hmm does anyone else get lucids when they're sick?
[19:00] paigeyemps^: I wonder what's behind that
[19:00] melanieb: The dream mask isn't emitting radio frequencies
[19:00] NewArtemis: i'd want to try the cheaper options first. or free. last resort to spend money
[19:01] hathor28: better yet i should shut up before someone makes an invention out of that
[19:01] melanieb: Sleep gets weird when we're sick
[19:01] NewArtemis: no, i get bad dreams when im sick
[19:01] Chimpertainment: ive heard fevers increase the likelyhood of vivid dreams/hallucinations etc..
[19:01] melanieb: Dreams are often crazier
[19:01] kjarva: well NewArtemis, grab yourself an arduino board and you can build your own
[19:01] OpheliaBlue: paigeyemps^: I have before, mainly because I don't sleep well at night, then I either sleep in or take a nap and get lucid
[19:01] melanieb: They do Chimpertainment
[19:01] paigeyemps^: Yea a few weeks ago i just remembered thatwhenever i had a high fever, i'd get weird geometric hallucinations
[19:01] OpheliaBlue: I had CRAZY dreams in high school when I was on prozac lol
[19:02] paigeyemps^: Lol
[19:02] OpheliaBlue: hey Chimpertainment !
[19:02] Chimpertainment: i know ive had some crazy shit happen when ive been really sick
[19:02] hathor28: for girls....do we get kinky dreams when we are in our monthly thing?? lol
[19:02] Chimpertainment: hey OpheliaBlue
[19:02] melanieb: I get crazy shit when I'm not sick
[19:02] kjarva: lol tramadol does the same thing. Unfortunately broken ribs are not condusive to sleeping
[19:02] fennecgirl: hathor, I usually end up dreaming about blood then O_O
[19:02] melanieb: You had broken ribs?
[19:02] NewArtemis: weird, what were your geometric hallucinations like? i had a ton when i got high one time
[19:02] Oreoboy1996:
[19:02] OpheliaBlue: ouch!
[19:02] kjarva: several times lol
[19:02] OpheliaBlue: the hell?
[19:02] melanieb: You take martial arts?
[19:03] hathor28: lol i guess it's only me than LOL
[19:03] OpheliaBlue: you play sports? or do I need a talk with your other half?
[19:03] kjarva: I have brittle bone disease. I fall, I break something
[19:03] hathor28: then*
[19:03] melanieb: AH
[19:03] NewArtemis: hathor: i dream about being on my period before it starts, normally get horny dreams after
[19:03] OpheliaBlue: oh gosh, I'm sorry that's no fun
[19:03] hathor28: i see usually hormonal
[19:03] Chimpertainment: hathor28: it probably depends on the person...everyone relates to experience in different ways
[19:03] paigeyemps^: NewArtemis: they were just random shapes that i always tried to reach out to
[19:03] paigeyemps^: And my mom would look at me funny
[19:03] OpheliaBlue: lol NewArtemis I thought you were a guy until just now
[19:03] paigeyemps^: What
[19:04] melanieb: :O
[19:04] paigeyemps^: He's not?!
[19:04] paigeyemps^: x)
[19:04] melanieb: Silly OpheliaBlue
[19:04] kjarva: it's fine. I only normally do myself a serious injury every few years. The worst was breaking my elbow in 3 places when the cat tried to murder me by tripping me at the top of the stairs
[19:04] OpheliaBlue: he has periods if he's a guy
[19:04] paigeyemps^: D|
[19:04] paigeyemps^: D:*
[19:04] melanieb: Damn cats
[19:04] hathor28: lmao
[19:04] paigeyemps^: Period lucids!
[19:04] NewArtemis: hahahaha why does everyone assume that? seriously.
[19:04] paigeyemps^: (awkward)
[19:04] kjarva: yup. She was in the bad books a while lol
[19:04] OpheliaBlue: broken elbow sounds extra painful :/
[19:04] OpheliaBlue: I think because we have Artelis, and he's a dude, I dunno
[19:05] kjarva: yeah. Boyfriend had to help me put clothes on for a month.
[19:05] melanieb: Not a bad gig for him
[19:05] Chimpertainment: i find sexual dreams coincide a lot with day residue...if its on my mind during the day, ill probably dream about it at night
[19:05] kjarva: lol true
[19:05] NewArtemis: not at all
[19:05] Chimpertainment: then again, doing something sexual doesnt always lead to sexual dreams
[19:05] NewArtemis: yeah
[19:06] kjarva: I'd agree Chimpertainment - I was having dirty thoughts about captain Renard in Grimm the other night and I had a very nice dream about him that night
[19:06] OpheliaBlue: haha
[19:06] hathor28: lol
[19:06] OpheliaBlue: nice
[19:06] Chimpertainment: its like, our conscious mind is doing one thing..but the unconscious is focused on something else
[19:06] NewArtemis: like not having fun >.>
[19:06] Chimpertainment: kjarva: awesome, lol
[19:06] OpheliaBlue: I incubate sexual stuff alot before I sleep, and I end up having alot of sex in LDs, though it's rarely ever the same scenario
[19:06] paigeyemps^: Hahaha
[19:07] kjarva: well I wouldn't mind having that same dream again, put it that way
[19:07] hathor28: true ophelia
[19:07] NewArtemis: i imagine its hard to stay lucid then?
[19:07] Chimpertainment: !brb
[19:07] Chimpertainment is now known as Chimpertainment|BRB.
[19:07] melanieb: OpheliaBlue's DJ is neat
[19:07] OpheliaBlue: yeah I usually save sex for the end of a LD, because it usually wakes me up
[19:07] kjarva: The only time I've attempted lucid sex, I woke up dissapointed and unfulfilled
[19:07] kjarva: just couldn't get there
[19:08] paigeyemps^: x)
[19:08] kjarva: and it woke me up too
[19:08] OpheliaBlue: hehe yup, that's why i save it for the end, like "Ok I did the task, I'm ready to wake up, sooo..."
[19:08] melanieb: I'm always left feeling empty myself
[19:08] hathor28: same here ophelia but sometimes i get those ones that last forever
[19:08] Chimpertainment|BRB: !back
[19:08] Chimpertainment|BRB is now known as Chimpertainment.
[19:08] OpheliaBlue: wb
[19:08] kjarva: wish I was you hathor
[19:08] OpheliaBlue: yeah no kidding, mine aren't ages long
[19:08] hathor28: lol only sometimes lol
[19:09] melanieb: Mine are usually self-stimulating
[19:09] melanieb: More often than not
[19:09] hathor28: sometimes too
[19:09] OpheliaBlue: oh my god, 2 hours to go O_O
[19:10] NewArtemis: any ideas to make my DCs stop trying to thwart getting lucid? even with RCs they make me feel like such an idiot I believe them
[19:10] OpheliaBlue: what was i THINKING
[19:10] kjarva: right folks, it's been lovely chatting but I'm being whisked out for dinner. I may catch you at the end of the session depending how long dinner takes!
[19:10] OpheliaBlue: whisked? lol
[19:10] melanieb: I imagine the class is self-sustaining for the most part OpheliaBlue
[19:10] OpheliaBlue: ok see ya kjarva , nice to meet you!
[19:10] hathor28: rushed
[19:10] melanieb: Have a good one kjarva
[19:10] paigeyemps^: Seeya
[19:10] kjarva: well more forced out of my chick cave, but meh
[19:10] Chimpertainment: Youve been whisked!
[19:10] paigeyemps^:
[19:10] kjarva: lol byeeeee
[19:10] melanieb: Now there's a quote
[19:10] NewArtemis: bye
[19:10] OpheliaBlue: melanieb: agreed.
[19:10] Chimpertainment: and now you shall be served
[19:10] kjarva left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed)
[19:10] Oreoboy1996: i don't get why other people have dream characters that avoid lucidity
[19:11] paigeyemps^: Gaah DCs are silly
[19:11] melanieb: oh, wait...chick cave....I read that as dick cave
[19:11] OpheliaBlue: I like her
[19:11] paigeyemps^: They curse at me a lot of the times
[19:11] OpheliaBlue: HAHAhaaa
[19:11] hathor28: huh
[19:11] paigeyemps^: Lol mel
[19:11] Oreoboy1996: pretty much all of my dream characters try to help me
[19:11] Oreoboy1996: or just do nothing
[19:11] paigeyemps^: So lucky
[19:11] Oreoboy1996: they never deny it
[19:11] hathor28: how does that work oreo?
[19:11] NewArtemis: count yourself lucky
[19:11] Oreoboy1996: hathor28 : like i'll say "am i dreaming?" and they'll be like "yup"
[19:12] OpheliaBlue: speaking of chickens, shouldn't you build the coop THEN get the chickens?
[19:12] paigeyemps^: Me: "yay im dreaming!" DC: "no you're not, motherf****r"
[19:12] hathor28: actually i don't ask that question often lol
[19:12] paigeyemps^: :l
[19:12] Chimpertainment: ive only had one DC fight me while lucid so far
[19:12] OpheliaBlue: haha aigey
[19:12] Chimpertainment: so, i killed her....
[19:12] OpheliaBlue: paigey*
[19:12] NewArtemis: mine are like "Well obviously you can fly, everyone can fly, because (insert random totally logical explanation here)"
[19:12] MarTango: (use your massive penis to kill the DC)
[19:12] OpheliaBlue: yeah dream logic can really be retarded sometimes... tornados still get me
[19:12] MarTango: works 60% of the time, all the time.
[19:13] Oreoboy1996: i've only had 1,000 DCs or so fight me
[19:13] Oreoboy1996: i killed most of them >.>
[19:13] hathor28: i hate tornados
[19:13] fennecgirl: some DCs help with lucidity
[19:13] NewArtemis: that would be fun
[19:13] OpheliaBlue: I've never killed a DC... sexed insideout is another story
[19:13] MarTango: NewArtemis = Artemis?
[19:13] fennecgirl: I had a dream this morning where I got lucid because the dream version of my mom reminded me to RC
[19:13] Chimpertainment: lol
[19:13] paigeyemps^: Lol ophie
[19:13] hathor28: i killed a DC to be quiet and not snitch lol
[19:13] NewArtemis: if theres another user named artemis, no, i am not that person
[19:14] hathor28: i was actually bad in the dream
[19:14] OpheliaBlue: or are you thinking of Artelis?
[19:14] OpheliaBlue: he's a chat mod
[19:14] Oreoboy1996: that's not a good reason to kill a DC
[19:14] NewArtemis: its a dc. you can do whatever you want with them
[19:14] hathor28: usually i don't lol but i ran after that lol
[19:15] OpheliaBlue: !brb peepee
[19:15] OpheliaBlue is now known as OpheliaBlue|BRB.
[19:15] paigeyemps^: Any waterbenders in here?
[19:15] melanieb: Wonder if you could get a DC to do things to other DCs while you watch
[19:15] paigeyemps^: Or avatar fans?
[19:15] Oreoboy1996: yeah but i always tend to keep my morals in dreams
[19:15] melanieb: My cabbages!
[19:15] • Oreoboy1996 raises hand
[19:15] Oreoboy1996: but you already know that paigey
[19:15] NewArtemis: wow thats... a sick/interesting idea
[19:15] paigeyemps^: I posted a vid with waterbending stuff
[19:16] paigeyemps^: In my workbook if you wanna check it out
[19:16] melanieb: It doesn't have to be illegal or immoral
[19:16] Oreoboy1996: melanieb : like get a DC to hug another DC while you watch?
[19:16] hathor28: yes i made a dc attack others
[19:16] melanieb: Yeah...or draw on their face
[19:16] NewArtemis: oh. well you see where my mind goes.
[19:16] Oreoboy1996: wow i was thinking the same thing melanieb
[19:16] realdealmagic: Or have sex with each other.
[19:16] realdealmagic: What?
[19:16] Oreoboy1996: i was about to say doodle on their face
[19:16] • realdealmagic retreats again.
[19:16] melanieb: Hi realdealmagic
[19:16] Oreoboy1996: realdealmagic : go back to your corner
[19:16] melanieb: Sex is also good
[19:16] • realdealmagic slinks off.
[19:16] hathor28: idk about that lol
[19:17] realdealmagic: [19:16:52] <@ melanieb > Sex is also good
[19:17] melanieb:
[19:17] NewArtemis: do you guys ever have sex with your partners in your dreams? ive never dreamed of mine :/
[19:17] realdealmagic: :s/also / ./g
[19:17] DemonBot: <realdealmagic> [19:16:52] <@melanieb> Sex is .good
[19:17] realdealmagic: Damn fail at fecking gfds
[19:17] Oreoboy1996:
[19:17] hathor28: because dreams is only about something u can't do in real lol
[19:17] melanieb: Sex is also good
[19:18] paigeyemps^: I dnt have a partner
[19:18] melanieb: try again
[19:18] paigeyemps^: Oreo is my husband but no.
[19:18] paigeyemps^: :l
[19:18] Oreoboy1996: lol
[19:18] realdealmagic: :s/also//
[19:18] DemonBot: <melanieb> Sex is good
[19:18] melanieb: I've had sex with my partner in a dream
[19:18] realdealmagic: That'll do.
[19:18] OpheliaBlue|BRB: !back
[19:18] OpheliaBlue|BRB is now known as OpheliaBlue.
[19:18] Chimpertainment: Had a NL where i was gonna have sex with this chick so we went to a whore house....kinda weird
[19:18] NewArtemis: good answer. i have a husband
[19:18] Oreoboy1996: pretty sure i haven't had sex with paigey
[19:18] realdealmagic: Dreams aren't ONLY about what you cant do in real life...
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[19:18] hathor28: what else then?
[19:18] balinup13: okie
[19:18] Oreoboy1996: hathor28 : well sometimes i dream about eating cereal
[19:18] realdealmagic: Anything you CAN do in real life...
[19:19] Oreoboy1996: which i can easily do when i wake up
[19:19] Oreoboy1996: hello balinup13
[19:19] realdealmagic: Or going on a lovely walk with someone you love
[19:19] balinup13: How is it going?
[19:19] realdealmagic: That's possible
[19:19] realdealmagic: various things
[19:19] hathor28: kinda booring though
[19:19] NewArtemis: hey balinup
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[19:19] melanieb: Hi balinup13
[19:19] hathor28: with someone but i am not with them in real
[19:20] balinup13: How does this work exactly?
[19:20] realdealmagic: Just cos you aren't with them doesn't mean it's impossible.
[19:20] NewArtemis: i read somewhere that you can't taste in your dreams. i thought that was bull cause i had the best pancake in the world in my dreams
[19:20] realdealmagic: How does what work?
[19:20] melanieb: I still have more sex with myself than others...
[19:20] Chimpertainment: i meet up with one of my ex's every once in a while in my dreams
[19:20] • OpheliaBlue wonders if Oreoboy1996 knows how many times I've quoted him in the DV chat quotes thread
[19:20] NewArtemis: ive never had sex with myself in a dream
[19:20] melanieb: I've tasted in dreams
[19:20] Chimpertainment: lol melanieb...ive never done that in dream before
[19:20] hathor28: i know dreams can be predictions as well
[19:20] realdealmagic: melanieb : Obviously a little bit vain?
[19:20] Oreoboy1996: you've been quoting me? D:
[19:20] paigeyemps^: Interesting
[19:20] balinup13: oh nvm figured it out this is like a chatroom haha
[19:20] melanieb: Not vain....just opportunistic
[19:21] realdealmagic: Good answer xD
[19:21] NewArtemis: lol
[19:21] Chimpertainment: melanieb: youve tasted....after saying youve had sex with yourself....lol....
[19:21] melanieb: TY
[19:21] OpheliaBlue: at least twice on this page: http://www.dreamviews.com/f21/dv-cha...7/index39.html
[19:21] Oreoboy1996: NewArtemis : almost all the things you will read that limit what you can do in dreams
[19:21] Oreoboy1996: are lies
[19:21] OpheliaBlue: teeheeeeeeee
[19:21] Chimpertainment: ive tasted as well
[19:21] melanieb: I've tasted that too
[19:21] Chimpertainment: fyi
[19:21] OpheliaBlue: hey balinup13 !
[19:21] NewArtemis: where the hell do these people get their info then...
[19:21] hathor28: LOL
[19:21] Oreoboy1996: -_-
[19:22] balinup13: Hey Ophelia thanks for all the help, i was so excited that i had my first lucid dream!!
[19:22] hathor28: people
[19:22] OpheliaBlue: I know, awesome!
[19:22] melanieb: Yay
[19:22] balinup13: was sooo crazy haha the whole time i was like in deniall...i think i had a mental block on myself about actually being able to do this
[19:22] Oreoboy1996: NewArtemis : they most likely get their info from their own dreams
[19:22] Oreoboy1996: and assume it applies to everyone else
[19:22] paigeyemps^: Congrats on the lucid :3
[19:23] OpheliaBlue: balinup13: well now you know the feeling so it will be even easier to repeat
[19:23] Chimpertainment: !brb
[19:23] Chimpertainment is now known as Chimpertainment|BRB.
[19:23] paigeyemps^: Yep, and you'll me more motivated
[19:23] balinup13: Thanks paigey Yeah i hope! for some reason i had a 3 day dryspell after that!
[19:23] paigeyemps^: Recharge!!
[19:23] balinup13: but had two more vivid dreams last night
[19:23] paigeyemps^: Hha
[19:23] balinup13: hahha yeah recovery
[19:23] paigeyemps^: Im one more lucid away from 100
[19:24] paigeyemps^: I need to do something special
[19:24] melanieb: Nice
[19:24] NewArtemis: congrats
[19:24] melanieb: Go to the mall, buy new undies
[19:24] OpheliaBlue: oh sweet
[19:24] Oreoboy1996: i had a dream i was trying to copy something from irc to give to my teacher
[19:24] paigeyemps^: Lolol
[19:24] paigeyemps^: Thanks
[19:24] Oreoboy1996: then suddenly i was rolling around in a giant cup
[19:24] NewArtemis: throw yourself the most badass party ever
[19:24] hathor28: wtf lol
[19:24] OpheliaBlue: I'm jealous of folks who've kept track of their lucid count
[19:24] paigeyemps^: O.O
[19:24] melanieb: Two oreos, one cup
[19:24] paigeyemps^: Hahahaha
[19:24] Oreoboy1996: then i bounced out of the cup and fell down a giant person's mouth
[19:24] Oreoboy1996: i grabbed onto his tounge and became lucid
[19:24] NewArtemis: lol
[19:24] OpheliaBlue: do something really nuts paigeyemps^ , like go cannibal
[19:24] paigeyemps^: D:
[19:24] Oreoboy1996: so i summoned krystal to help me with her clones
[19:24] paigeyemps^: I SHALL
[19:25] balinup13: i have no trouble keeping track at 1
[19:25] hathor28: ya i can't have a lucid count since 4 yrs old LOL
[19:25] Oreoboy1996: probably the weirdest dream i've ever had
[19:25] melanieb: I've never been able to keep track....too many, too many years
[19:25] OpheliaBlue: lol balinup13 ... so do you have any lucid questions? other than getting that next one
[19:25] NewArtemis: is it considered cannibalism if youre an animal in your dream? because technically youre still human
[19:25] Chimpertainment|BRB: !back
[19:25] Chimpertainment|BRB is now known as Chimpertainment.
[19:25] OpheliaBlue: good question
[19:25] Oreoboy1996: like if you're a wolf and eat a wolf?
[19:25] balinup13: Yeah I was kinda wondering what technique is should use or focus on..I am all over the place right now
[19:25] NewArtemis: or if youre a shifter
[19:26] melanieb: Sounds like semantics to me
[19:26] paigeyemps^: Well....would it still count as sex if it's just you in another form?
[19:26] OpheliaBlue: if you are eating a person, and you know it's wrong, then I say cannibal
[19:26] paigeyemps^: Like..mental masturbation :l
[19:26] NewArtemis: nah like i turned into a werewolf and ate one of my classmates >>
[19:26] OpheliaBlue: haha nice
[19:26] Oreoboy1996: i don't think that counts NewArtemis
[19:26] melanieb: Yum
[19:26] NewArtemis: lol
[19:26] hathor28: lol
[19:26] paigeyemps^: I always chicken out with some things
[19:26] paigeyemps^: Even though i wanna do it, i couldnt
[19:27] paigeyemps^: How do i fight that?
[19:27] OpheliaBlue: really? even after you punched that gorilla and took off your head and kicked it?
[19:27] Oreoboy1996: paigey you could ask claire to motivate you
[19:27] Oreoboy1996: she's a good motivator
[19:27] OpheliaBlue: you're like the bravest LDer I know!
[19:27] Oreoboy1996: mostly because she's scarier than whatever you're afraid to do...
[19:27] NewArtemis: realize that morality is relative and youre in your dreams, you can do as you please and no one will ever have to know
[19:27] melanieb: Or you could try opening your mind to the possibilities while awake
[19:27] Chimpertainment: you know what i wonder....what kind of dreams to mentally handicapped people have...that would be interesting
[19:27] melanieb: Maybe it would carry over
[19:27] paigeyemps^: :')
[19:27] paigeyemps^: Lol oreo
[19:27] balinup13: eah I was kinda wondering what technique is should use or focus on..I am all over the place right now
[19:28] OpheliaBlue: I know cats and dogs dream
[19:28] hathor28: do what paige?
[19:28] melanieb: I imagine their dreams are not all that different, Chimpertainment
[19:28] NewArtemis: yeah that would be. huh. *ponders*
[19:28] OpheliaBlue: balinup13: your first lucid was a DILD right?
[19:28] balinup13: yes it was
[19:28] Oreoboy1996: balinup13 : try ADA
[19:28] paigeyemps^: Like, facing huge monsters and stuff, hathor
[19:28] melanieb: DILD is awesome
[19:28] paigeyemps^: Even though i know it's a dream, i always seem to get scared
[19:28] hathor28: huge monsters??
[19:28] Oreoboy1996: paigey Claire handles monsters well
[19:28] melanieb: The more you get the easier other techniques are
[19:28] balinup13: Okay oreoboy where should i learn about it?
[19:28] OpheliaBlue: balinup13: yeah I was gonna say try awareness during the day, then you could do a WBTB to see if it increases your chance of having more DILDs
[19:28] realdealmagic: I believe you dream how you live
[19:29] realdealmagic: Just as blind people don't dream with visuals
[19:29] balinup13: sounds good
[19:29] Chimpertainment: balinup13: there is usually a tek that works best for you....then focus and expand upon that
[19:29] paigeyemps^: Claire is a monster
[19:29] Oreoboy1996: http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/all-da...gyoshi-113253/
[19:29] paigeyemps^: :l
[19:29] Chimpertainment: what ophelia said
[19:29] realdealmagic: Handicapped people dream as they live
[19:29] Oreoboy1996: paigey, nah she's a demon
[19:29] paigeyemps^: Oh yea
[19:29] Oreoboy1996: wait i think that counts
[19:29] hathor28: imagine u with a aka paige and shoot it...better yet a bazooka
[19:29] Oreoboy1996: does a demon count as a monster?
[19:29] balinup13: ahkayy thanks so much guys
[19:29] paigeyemps^: I guess
[19:29] Chimpertainment: realdealmagic: or perhaps we are all dreaming.....?? dun dun dunnnnnnn\
[19:29] hathor28: or use fire
[19:29] Chimpertainment: all the time
[19:30] OpheliaBlue: Oreoboy1996: depends on the demon
[19:30] NewArtemis: for me thats a whole new plane of scary
[19:30] realdealmagic: dun dun DUNNNN
[19:30] melanieb: Oreo talks tulpa
[19:30] Oreoboy1996: hmm?
[19:30] paigeyemps^: I wanna go back in time and meet my parents when they were younger
[19:30] Oreoboy1996: what about tulpa?
[19:30] OpheliaBlue: mine are just growly humans.. they have sharp teeth but they're basically assholes, not monsters
[19:30] Chimpertainment: thats the basis of ADA...is being aware that you are dreaming..in real life...so when you are in a dream...you will become aware
[19:30] NewArtemis: thats what im trying to do right now
[19:30] melanieb: Don't need them here
[19:31] Oreoboy1996: OpheliaBlue : i haven't seen Claire's demon form yet
[19:31] hathor28: i get those demons that just jump at you unexpected once in a blue moon
[19:31] paigeyemps^: D:
[19:31] NewArtemis: sorry, who's Claire?
[19:31] paigeyemps^: Oreo's DG
[19:31] hathor28: then i wake up lol
[19:31] Chimpertainment: his other half
[19:31] MarTango: Clairity
[19:31] Oreoboy1996: Claire is one of my dream guides
[19:31] NewArtemis: my dream-monsters are usually evil people or evil people with superpowers
[19:31] Oreoboy1996: who has appeared in paigey's dream at least once i think
[19:31] OpheliaBlue: hey guys, I'm still here but also there.. please ping me if need be
[19:31] paigeyemps^: Twice
[19:32] NewArtemis: ah ok thatnks
[19:32] melanieb: ping
[19:32] paigeyemps^: Okay ophie
[19:32] NewArtemis: so you guys believe in dream-sharing?
[19:32] paigeyemps^: Ltely i've been having nonlucids where i have invisibility powers
[19:32] paigeyemps^: It's weird
[19:32] hathor28: yes
[19:32] Chimpertainment: nice
[19:32] Oreoboy1996: not entirely NewArtemis
[19:32] melanieb: Dream-sharing would be fun but I've never achieved it
[19:32] Oreoboy1996: i can't say whether i believe in it or not
[19:32] paigeyemps^: I believe it might be possible, but i havent ventured into that yet
[19:32] hathor28: but i seen oreo LOL
[19:32] Chimpertainment: NewArtemis: not in what most people say it is
[19:33] Oreoboy1996: when? O_o
[19:33] melanieb: I tried with Link but he never showed up
[19:33] hathor28: long ago remember
[19:33] melanieb: But I did manage to create the agreed-upon meeting place
[19:33] Oreoboy1996: nope don't remember
[19:33] hathor28: that u broke a video game
[19:33] NewArtemis: chimp: then what do you think it is?
[19:33] Oreoboy1996: vaguely remember you telling me that story hathor
[19:33] paigeyemps^: 3:33
[19:33] paigeyemps^: Wishing time
[19:34] hathor28: it's at my dj
[19:34] Oreoboy1996: 3:33? it's 2:33 here
[19:34] NewArtemis: 1:33 here
[19:34] realdealmagic: it's 7:33 here.
[19:34] realdealmagic: pm.
[19:34] Chimpertainment: thats totally a dream thing...
[19:34] melanieb: 1:33 here
[19:34] melanieb: 1:34
[19:34] Oreoboy1996: maybe my clock is wrong from the time change
[19:34] Chimpertainment: if you believe a wish will come true at a certain time...self suggestion
[19:34] hathor28: 234
[19:35] paigeyemps^:
[19:35] melanieb: NewArtemis and I share time
[19:35] paigeyemps^: I dont even know why is always think "wishing time"
[19:35] paigeyemps^: x)
[19:35] melanieb: Ever tried a wishing well in a dream?
[19:35] melanieb: I bet that would make a neat LD tool
[19:36] Oreoboy1996: nope
[19:36] hathor28: no
[19:36] NewArtemis: def a problem. if i ever get decent id like to try shared dreaming with some people. im skeptical about it though.
[19:36] melanieb: Make wish, drop coin, close eyes, tah-dah!
[19:36] hathor28: i can wish without it and get it anyways lol
[19:36] NewArtemis: neat idea, ill try that when i manage to have a lucid
[19:36] Oreoboy1996: i'd prefer a shooting star
[19:36] realdealmagic: My subc would be an asshole, and make the wishing well endless.
[19:36] Oreoboy1996: it doesn't cost money
[19:36] melanieb: It could be one more thing to suggest to new LDers
[19:36] hathor28: lol reald
[19:37] hathor28: sometimes dreams do trick u
[19:37] Oreoboy1996: my subconscious is also an ass realdealmagic
[19:37] NewArtemis: id probably cheat the thing since i never carry change. toss in a pebble or something.
[19:37] melanieb: A dream wishing well won't cost real money
[19:37] melanieb:
[19:37] paigeyemps^: Sometimes i pretend like the dream master and command the dream then clap my hands
[19:37] paigeyemps^: And it works
[19:37] paigeyemps^: *clapclap* gimme a car
[19:37] melanieb: Full-Dream Alchemist
[19:37] Oreoboy1996: Patrick: "That was my last quarter"
[19:37] realdealmagic: I'm a herbologist.
[19:37] hathor28: i am a dream master as well
[19:38] hathor28: master/warrior
[19:38] melanieb: Funny NewArtemis
[19:38] realdealmagic: *plant car seed* *wait two or three dreams while watering* *CAR*
[19:38] Chimpertainment: i am a dream padawan
[19:38] Oreoboy1996: I'm a dream jedi master
[19:38] Chimpertainment: just learning how to harness my midoclorians...or whatever they are called
[19:38] NewArtemis:
[19:39] Chimpertainment: im like...luke skywalker
[19:39] melanieb: Oreo turns to the dark side, gets mask and breathing issues
[19:39] Oreoboy1996: wut O_o
[19:39] realdealmagic: !!quote melanib
[19:39] realdealmagic: HOW DO YOU QUOTE
[19:39] realdealmagic: THERE IS A COMMADN
[19:39] realdealmagic: THIS MUST BE QUOTED.
[19:39] hathor28: LOL
[19:39] Chimpertainment: !quote realdealmagic
[19:39] Oreoboy1996: realdealmagic : control c
[19:39] realdealmagic: There is a lazy command <_<
[19:39] melanieb: Might help if you spell things correctly
[19:40] realdealmagic: maybe.
[19:40] Oreoboy1996: lol
[19:40] realdealmagic: !quote melanieb Oreo
[19:40] DemonBot: realdealmagic: quote [<channel>] <nick>
[19:40] realdealmagic: !quote #DVA melanieb Oreo
[19:40] DemonBot: realdealmagic: quote [<channel>] <nick>
[19:40] realdealmagic: fea
[19:40] realdealmagic: Damn this.
[19:40] • realdealmagic copies.
[19:40] paigeyemps^: Hhaha
[19:40] Oreoboy1996: lol
[19:40] hathor28: ?
[19:40] Oreoboy1996: i used to have a darth vader mask and a lightsaber
[19:40] Oreoboy1996: can't remember what happened to those
[19:41] melanieb: Ever try them on in a dream?
[19:41] hathor28: u broke em
[19:41] hathor28: LOL
[19:41] paigeyemps^: Have you tried... Turning on a flashlight in smoke
[19:41] paigeyemps^: .
[19:41] paigeyemps^: Makes for a cool lightsaber
[19:41] NewArtemis: !brb
[19:41] NewArtemis is now known as NewArtemis|BRB.
[19:42] Oreoboy1996: nope never tried that
[19:42] Chimpertainment: From above, "pretend everything around you is actually a dream." Whether you truly believe this questioning of reality or not, is irrelevant. The fact that you ARE questioning it, is good enough. The idea is, if you are able to question your reality during waking life, you will do the same in your dreams. Like I said earlier, 90% of the time awareness makes you lucid, not the RC itself. Practicing
[19:42] Chimpertainment: thats king yoshi ADA
[19:43] hathor28: i question my dreams once it looks odd or too real lol
[19:43] melanieb: I question my dreams not when they're odd but when I do something out of character
[19:43] hathor28: loool
[19:44] melanieb: But all my dreams are odd....probably why
[19:44] Chimpertainment: what if you were to question your waking reality...with the knowledge that everything we experience is a construct of the mind
[19:44] Oreoboy1996: melanieb : wouldn't doing something out of character be odd?
[19:44] Chimpertainment: that would make all of our experience, sleeping and waking...a dream reality
[19:44] melanieb: The matrix has me
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[19:44] hathor28: ah i see
[19:45] melanieb: When I say odd....I mean my dreams all have unusual settings and characters but that doesn't always seem out of place in a dream
[19:45] Chimpertainment: oooo, was just watching an awesome video on matrix philosophy
[19:45] hathor28: lol
[19:45] melanieb: Instead I question my own actions when I'm doing something odd...like not wearing shoes in an office building
[19:45] Chimpertainment: melanieb: totally...that critical thinking part of the brain is on vaca
[19:45] melanieb: Or when I leave my kids doing things they shouldn't
[19:46] melanieb: Actions I know I would never do
[19:46] Chimpertainment: Philosophy and the Matrix - YouTube
[19:46] DemonBot: Title: Philosophy and the Matrix - YouTube (at YouTube)
[19:46] hathor28: or see in real
[19:46] Chimpertainment: good way to look at dreams...
[19:47] Oreoboy1996: i like my own way of looking at dreams
[19:47] hathor28: typical
[19:47] hathor28: lol
[19:47] Oreoboy1996: i like being typical
[19:47] hathor28: even in dreams?
[19:47] melanieb: I'm atypical
[19:48] Oreoboy1996: yes
[19:48] hathor28: ahaha
[19:48] realdealmagic: in my mind, making demonbot change that to asexual would be funny, but that's only because I'm immature.
[19:48] hathor28: i don't like being typical because u show it in dreams
[19:48] Oreoboy1996: i like being asexual
[19:48] paigeyemps^: :s/atypical/asexual
[19:48] DemonBot: <melanieb> I'm asexual
[19:48] melanieb: We can have some demonbot time in #DV later on, realdealmagic
[19:48] paigeyemps^: Oh
[19:48] paigeyemps^: Nvm
[19:48] realdealmagic: Which is why I never did it
[19:49] realdealmagic: Silly funsta <_<
[19:49] paigeyemps^: Damn
[19:49] melanieb: funstadergertrudine
[19:49] paigeyemps^: That was my first substitute command
[19:49] paigeyemps^: Ever
[19:49] paigeyemps^: And i sucked at it
[19:49] melanieb: Did I spell that right?
[19:49] paigeyemps^: :'(
[19:49] paigeyemps^: Yep
[19:49] melanieb: :s/sucked at/aced
[19:49] DemonBot: <paigeyemps^> And i aced it
[19:49] melanieb: There you go
[19:49] realdealmagic: :s/aced/sucked
[19:50] paigeyemps^: :p
[19:50] melanieb: That doesn't work realdealmagic
[19:50] realdealmagic: Silly demonbot doesnt see demonbot .
[19:50] realdealmagic: I swear, Shock taught me all this last night :L
[19:50] • Oreoboy1996 nudges chat back on topic
[19:51] NewArtemis|BRB: !back
[19:51] NewArtemis|BRB is now known as NewArtemis.
[19:51] • melanieb nudges Oreoboy1996 and spills soda on his lap
[19:51] NewArtemis: what is demonbot?
[19:51] hathor28: lol
[19:51] melanieb: demonbot watches your dreams
[19:51] melanieb: and judges
[19:51] paigeyemps^: ^
[19:51] Oreoboy1996:
[19:51] realdealmagic: DemonBot eats your sheep at night.
[19:51] NewArtemis: creeper...
[19:51] Oreoboy1996: no the creeper is paigey
[19:51] paigeyemps^: Shh
[19:51] realdealmagic: ^
[19:52] paigeyemps^: Dont tell!
[19:52] hathor28: eats sheep?? wow evil
[19:52] Oreoboy1996: i mean the creeper is that green thing behind you going sssss
[19:52] melanieb: I really want to make more effort to share images from my lucid dreams with DV
[19:52] paigeyemps^: Im not green!,
[19:52] paigeyemps^: Lol
[19:52] realdealmagic: :s/sheep/bananas
[19:52] DemonBot: <hathor28> eats bananas?? wow evil
[19:52] Oreoboy1996:
[19:52] realdealmagic: That's demonbot NewArtemis .
[19:52] NewArtemis: melanieb: me too. do you paint or something?
[19:52] hathor28: LOL
[19:52] melanieb: I wish I did
[19:52] melanieb: I want to get my art skills back
[19:53] melanieb: It would be so fun to draw some of the scenes
[19:53] NewArtemis: what did you do?
[19:53] melanieb: ?
[19:53] melanieb: Do? When?
[19:53] Oreoboy1996: i have no artistic skills
[19:53] NewArtemis: like drawing, sculpting, etc
[19:53] Oreoboy1996: then again i think someone said i was good with clay
[19:53] melanieb: I used to draw a long time ago
[19:53] Oreoboy1996: but i have no clay
[19:53] melanieb: It's been a long time and my skills are lacking
[19:53] hathor28: clay is evil lol
[19:53] realdealmagic: I only have slight artistic skill when it comes to manual processes.
[19:53] realdealmagic: I'm good at 3D art though
[19:54] melanieb: I think I could get it back
[19:54] NewArtemis: oreo: use scupltris. not physical, but still fun
[19:54] hathor28: clay could come to life
[19:54] • realdealmagic points at his sig in the forum.
[19:54] realdealmagic: melanieb : You most definitely could, it's like riding a bike...
[19:55] NewArtemis: i can paint alright. I like photography. cant draw worth a crap unless its right in front of me
[19:55] realdealmagic: It might take you a bit to pick up again, but you will.
[19:55] melanieb: I will start trying
[19:55] melanieb: I think it would interest me more than other skills
[19:55] melanieb: I keep trying to take pictures with my camera
[19:55] melanieb: My camera in my dream
[19:56] melanieb: And then I get disappointed that it was just a dream and I can't show anyone
[19:56] melanieb: It happens often
[19:56] hathor28: if i am odd now i can step up a notch in dreams and become odder
[19:56] NewArtemis: go for it
[19:56] hathor28: XD
[19:56] melanieb: odder?
[19:56] hathor28: like more than odd
[19:57] melanieb: I know DV has a draw your dreams thread....I need to try it out
[19:57] melanieb: Wonder if it would help with lucidity
[19:57] Oreoboy1996: it probably does
[19:57] Oreoboy1996: but i can't draw
[19:58] melanieb: I will try to draw
[19:58] hathor28: then find a picture online that looks similar to your dreams
[19:58] hathor28: art
[19:58] melanieb: I don't want someone else's image
[19:58] melanieb: Copying pics is easy....recreating it in art....that takes skill
[19:59] hathor28: you'll be surprised if u find something close enough
[19:59] melanieb: And would probably make stronger connections in my own mind
[19:59] melanieb: So I would have better dreams and stronger recall
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[20:01] melanieb: hi daredevilpwn
[20:01] NewArtemis: hello daredevil
[20:01] daredevilpwn: Hi. Just got home from school then saw that DVA was in session
[20:02] daredevilpwn: well its too late now I guess
[20:02] melanieb: Nope...we're here
[20:02] melanieb: For another hour
[20:02] daredevilpwn: oh ok
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[20:02] • Chimpertainment is still lurking
[20:03] melanieb: I was talking about dream art and wondering if it would help lucidity
[20:03] Chimpertainment: lurk lurk lurka durk, da durk durker....
[20:03] melanieb: How have your LD efforts been daredevilpwn?
[20:04] daredevilpwn: My dreams have been getting more vivid ever since I started doing more frequend Sporadic awareness sessions
[20:04] RareCola|Away: !back
[20:04] You are now known as RareCola.
[20:04] daredevilpwn: frequent*
[20:04] melanieb: That's cool....brighter detail?
[20:04] paigeyemps^: Wb jason
[20:04] paigeyemps^: Hey ddp
[20:04] melanieb: Regular dreams or lDs?
[20:05] melanieb: Lucid dreams?
[20:05] RareCola: How goes the class
[20:05] melanieb: It comes and it goes
[20:05] daredevilpwn: Mostly non lucids but I can do the occasional DEILD
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[20:05] OpheliaBlue: I scared him off
[20:05] daredevilpwn: I also noticed I am remembering what some DC's are saying, usually I could only just get the gist of what they said
[20:05] OpheliaBlue: with threats
[20:05] melanieb: I was referring to the vividness issue....is it mainly with LDs or all dreams?
[20:06] OpheliaBlue: oh hey RareCola , how was dinner?
[20:06] melanieb: Sweet daredevilpwn
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[20:06] OpheliaBlue: wb sexy
[20:06] melanieb: Hi Oldsparta
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[20:06] OpheliaBlue: hey photonist
[20:06] melanieb: Hi photonist
[20:06] photonist: hi!
[20:06] RareCola: Pretty good OpheliaBlue
[20:06] paigeyemps^: Hey photonist
[20:06] photonist: hey everyone
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[20:06] OpheliaBlue: so what's the hot topic (sorry, had an impromptu meeting)
[20:06] Oldsparta was granted voice by vBot.
[20:06] photonist: i am glad i saw the message
[20:06] Oldsparta: meeting?
[20:06] ShockWave: Oldsparta: stop spamming it up in here
[20:07] Oldsparta: right
[20:07] Oldsparta: shut up shock >:
[20:07] paigeyemps^: Haha
[20:07] Oldsparta: this is partitally your fault
[20:07] OpheliaBlue: excuse me this is a CLASS
[20:07] Oldsparta: you could have invited me
[20:07] melanieb: We need more topic....I was discussing dream art and seeing if it would help lucidity
[20:07] hathor28: ??
[20:07] RareCola: Dream art?
[20:07] paigeyemps^: Oh oh i dunno if it counts but
[20:07] melanieb: Drawing my dreams
[20:07] OpheliaBlue: like making art in the dream, or making art in the day to inspire LDs?
[20:07] OpheliaBlue: oh
[20:07] melanieb: Those also
[20:07] paigeyemps^: I have this app on my device that lets you create houses and buildings and stuff
[20:08] melanieb: WOuld be good
[20:08] OpheliaBlue: I think that def adds an extra layer to DJs
[20:08] paigeyemps^: And i make stuff there for my lucid setting
[20:08] RareCola: Ah, I don't necessarily know if it's help with lucidity, but I think it could help with dream recall and vividness in general
[20:08] paigeyemps^: It's nice
[20:08] RareCola: Drawing your dreams forces you to focus on the details
[20:08] melanieb: And I'm already detailed....
[20:08] daredevilpwn: I can't draw for my life
[20:08] melanieb: I brought it up because in my dreams I'm always taking pictures to post on DV....but they're only dream pics
[20:08] hathor28: lol
[20:09] photonist: i will try to draw my dreams
[20:09] OpheliaBlue: haha I'm not that great either, but it does help you remember more details
[20:09] melanieb: I think it would be fun to try for a few months
[20:09] melanieb: See what happens
[20:09] paigeyemps^: My dreams have been more vivid lately so it's been easier to draw them
[20:09] paigeyemps^: My drawing suck though because im not very artistic
[20:09] RareCola: I wish I had time to draw more of my dreams
[20:09] melanieb: Have you posted any pics?
[20:09] paigeyemps^: Me?
[20:09] NewArtemis: i'd be interested to see. improve your skills too
[20:10] paigeyemps^: I r confuz
[20:10] photonist: btw trying to remember my dreams first thing in the morning really helped my dream recall i am able to remember faces from dreams
[20:10] realdealmagic: Aren't you always.
[20:10] hathor28: lol
[20:10] paigeyemps^: Jason had onepic with the mushroom valley
[20:10] OpheliaBlue: you can even post them in your DJ entries, as well as share some in the thread
[20:10] Chimpertainment: i met some faeries in a dream last night...so i started casting spells at them with an empty toothbrush box...
[20:10] melanieb: Yes, paigeyemps^, posted any of those draweings?
[20:10] paigeyemps^: In your dj remember!
[20:10] paigeyemps^: Oh nope
[20:10] paigeyemps^: I usually just put them in my dj app
[20:10] paigeyemps^: My dj app has this sidebar for photos
[20:10] OpheliaBlue: that was a beautiful mushroom valley, agreed
[20:10] paigeyemps^: ^^
[20:10] melanieb: We have a Draw Your Dream thread on the forum
[20:11] paigeyemps^: Hmm i think i might post some on there
[20:11] OpheliaBlue: I know, I made it ages ago
[20:11] OpheliaBlue: I think?
[20:11] RareCola: I've drawn a few of my dreams, none of them were great though
[20:11] OpheliaBlue: or I made a diff one
[20:12] melanieb: Don't know who made it but I want to try
[20:13] paigeyemps^: Most of the time i just like to draw a certain area that i remember, like when i look out the window, i draw what i saw from my POV
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[20:13] melanieb: That works paigeyemps^
[20:13] melanieb: WB MarTango
[20:13] MarTango: thanks babe
[20:13] hathor28: that's good paige sounds like it works
[20:13] RareCola: Think a mod might want to moderate the latest post in the Draw Your Dreams thread
[20:13] OpheliaBlue: yeah I started it, over 6 years ago wow
[20:14] OpheliaBlue: paigeyemps^: and RareCola were still in diapers!
[20:14] paigeyemps^: Hahah!!
[20:14] paigeyemps^: Yep pretty much
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[20:14] OpheliaBlue: well spotted RareCola
[20:14] OpheliaBlue: you want the honors to clean up the poop melanieb ?
[20:14] RareCola: LOL
[20:14] melanieb: What I will yes
[20:15] daredevilpwn: Lol wow
[20:15] OpheliaBlue: that one looks like it hurt coming out
[20:15] photonist: lol
[20:15] melanieb: It has been scooped
[20:15] OpheliaBlue: well done pooper scooper
[20:16] • melanieb learned it from the best
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[20:16] melanieb: Hi covlad96
[20:16] covlad96: Hello melanieb
[20:16] OpheliaBlue: hey covlad96 !
[20:17] covlad96: Hello Ophelia
[20:17] photonist: did you guys try piracetam or any other *racetams for lucidity or dream recall? i am thinking to try it tomorrow
[20:17] melanieb: What else can we do to strengthen lucid dreams?
[20:17] melanieb: piracetam? is that a supplement?
[20:17] OpheliaBlue: some people talk about meditating IN the lucid dream
[20:17] photonist: yes its a chemical agent which usually gives a notificable
[20:18] OpheliaBlue: I don't know about for me, but it sounds interesting
[20:18] hathor28: yes i do
[20:18] photonist: verbal memory improvements and people esay they also remember their dreams easily
[20:18] melanieb: I prefer not to use anything...
[20:18] daredevilpwn: Meh. I think we should learning to ld naturally I don't want to rely on some chemical to get lucid, just my ability
[20:18] hathor28: i meditate to do something extra in the dream
[20:18] photonist: i used piracetam while studying before lucid dreaming but it sure did give a good dream recall
[20:18] OpheliaBlue: (melanieb PM)
[20:18] RareCola: Meditation for an hour in a dream is supposedly equal to 10 weeks of meditation in waking life, which is interesting
[20:19] OpheliaBlue: oh neato
[20:19] daredevilpwn: Really now?
[20:19] photonist: well its just temporary to have a breakthrough for the First lucid dream you know
[20:19] hathor28: i meditate for a few seconds lol
[20:19] photonist: wow
[20:19] hathor28: then i am done with it
[20:19] daredevilpwn: Well. I guess in the dream the energy or whatever you want to call it flows easilly
[20:19] hathor28: true
[20:20] photonist: then your spirit or mind whatever is much more plastic in dreamstate
[20:20] hathor28: plastic?
[20:21] photonist: oh there is this term neuroplasticity, which means brains ability to be flexible enoguh to adapt the situations or changes
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[20:21] daredevilpwn: I've read a book and the author claims it's possible to heal your physical body via dreams.
[20:21] hathor28: ok
[20:21] photonist: is it stephen laberge
[20:21] daredevilpwn: Nah. Robert Wagonner
[20:22] melanieb: Hi SpaceCowboyDave^
[20:22] RareCola: I don't think it's possible to physically heal yourself, but I definitely think mental healing is possible
[20:22] SpaceCowboyDave^: hi
[20:22] photonist: hey spacecowboy
[20:22] hathor28: and emotional
[20:22] photonist: mood affects body through hormones etc etc, in simplest form, emotional distress causes increase in cortisol
[20:24] photonist: that leads to decreased testosterone and low testosterone symptoms are weight gain, decreased metabolism, dopamine gets bad
[20:24] Chimpertainment: if the placebo effect is real, then you could use dreams to heal the body
[20:24] photonist: exactly my point chimpertainment
[20:25] Chimpertainment: werrrd
[20:25] Chimpertainment: well, im out
[20:25] Chimpertainment: peace yall
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[20:25] hathor28: cya
[20:25] photonist: btw a question
[20:25] daredevilpwn: cya later
[20:25] photonist: does lucid dreams feel like weed high?
[20:25] melanieb: No
[20:25] daredevilpwn: no
[20:25] hathor28: no ahaha
[20:25] melanieb: Well, they could
[20:25] melanieb: But no
[20:25] daredevilpwn: When I first got lucid my body was still vibrating but thats it, it felt weird
[20:26] photonist: oh
[20:26] photonist: the reason i asked is
[20:26] daredevilpwn: Speaking of drugs, I had a dream where I took DMT. Though all it did was slow my perception of time and it was purple.
[20:27] hathor28: dmt?
[20:27] OpheliaBlue: My lucids feel like I'm drunk sometimes.. even the vision photonist
[20:27] daredevilpwn: hathor28. I can't spell the full name lol. But its considered the strongest psychedellic known to man
[20:27] OpheliaBlue: And I took LSD in college, and osme of my lucids feel like I'm tripping. Which I don't like actually, I'd prefer more clear lucids.
[20:27] photonist: cannabis contains some chemicals named cannabinoids which affects cannabinoid receptors in our brain,so if that chemicals activate cb. receptors in our time perception neurons we perceive time distortedly etc etc
[20:28] hathor28: lol
[20:28] photonist: so anyways, body produces its own cannabinoids named endocannabinoids while dreaming! neat huh?
[20:28] daredevilpwn: lol photonist you sure know a lot
[20:28] melanieb: I prefer clear lucids also....I remember LSD...it was neat at the time but I like clarity now
[20:28] photonist: i know my drugs lol well i like reading
[20:29] RareCola: Our very own encyclapedia
[20:29] hathor28: blah
[20:29] melanieb: Photonist and Alyzarin should talk
[20:29] melanieb: Aly knows that stuff super well
[20:29] photonist: ohh, nice! we should sometime
[20:30] melanieb: She has a menthol thread in Lucid aids....have you seen it?
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[20:30] photonist: no, not yet i should check it
[20:30] melanieb: You should
[20:31] melanieb: Actually it's in research
[20:31] photonist: noted
[20:31] melanieb: I forgot
[20:31] melanieb: I'm going to step out,...almost time for my kiddo to come home
[20:31] photonist: btw i had a question in my mind for couple days
[20:31] melanieb: Oh?
[20:31] OpheliaBlue: see ya later mel
[20:31] melanieb: Yes?
[20:31] photonist: do you think it is good to follow stephen laberges MILD tutorial
[20:31] daredevilpwn: Cya melanieb
[20:31] RareCola: Cya melanie
[20:31] photonist: it seems quite challenging?
[20:31] photonist: take care melanie!
[20:32] melanieb:
[20:32] hathor28: what IS his tutorial?
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[20:32] photonist: ummm
[20:32] RareCola: I think it's good to follow any of stephen leberge's advice. Most modern day techniques are just variations on his original ones.
[20:32] daredevilpwn: "I will have a lucid dream tonight" is the tutorial
[20:32] OpheliaBlue: I've heard alot of people like that tutorial photonist .. but I'm personally not much of a MILDer, so I can't advise from experience
[20:32] daredevilpwn: jk
[20:32] photonist: oh
[20:32] OpheliaBlue: and what RareCola said
[20:33] OpheliaBlue: lol daredevilpwn
[20:33] hathor28: i dont even know his way
[20:33] photonist: he says that reality checks should be based on some events which will quite challenge at first
[20:33] OpheliaBlue: I do incubate dreams before I go to sleep, and after a WBTB
[20:33] OpheliaBlue: but those are images, not mantras
[20:33] hathor28: ok?
[20:33] photonist: at mondays i will do a RC when i see a cat, thursdays, mirror etc etc
[20:33] RareCola: You can change those events to be more suited to your every day life, photonist
[20:33] OpheliaBlue: oh the RC part, hrmmm
[20:34] daredevilpwn: photonist. Thats why I think it's better to make your reality check based on pure awareness so you don't need any specific event to happen
[20:34] photonist: exactly which seems quite challenging, it would also improve memory
[20:34] OpheliaBlue: yeah you can moddify them, or even just have sporadic moments of awareness during the day
[20:34] photonist: you are right
[20:34] hathor28: i did a RC based on if i was sleep walking or not lol
[20:34] photonist: lol
[20:34] OpheliaBlue: haha interesting
[20:35] RareCola: I think Stephen's reality check concept is great because, as photonist said, it improves your memory. Remembering to reality check and practice awareness is the hardest part
[20:35] photonist: and he says it will take quite much of time since you will fail miserably at first trials Rarecola
[20:35] hathor28: Odd Reality check dream - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[20:36] photonist: i mean come on who would remember to do a RC when they see a cat at monday etc etc
[20:36] hathor28: the dj
[20:36] photonist: it is really challenging and seems to be worth it
[20:36] daredevilpwn: RareCola. Sometimes I remember but don't feel like doing it but then I think about the long term rewards and just go ahead and do it
[20:37] photonist: the reason i am not lately doing any RC is i did RC in my dreams twice but didnt realize i was dreaming
[20:37] hathor28: i did it based on testing my dream
[20:37] RareCola: I'm not sure that's the best way though, daredevilpwn, just doing RCs for the sake of doing them
[20:37] OpheliaBlue: gotta double up on your awareness when you do them photonist
[20:38] photonist: you mean like really focus pay attention while doing?
[20:38] daredevilpwn: RareCola. When I do them I incorporate awareness into them, I don't do them blindly
[20:38] hathor28: yes
[20:38] hathor28: u need awareness
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[20:39] photonist: daredevilpwn is what you mean with awareness is like stopping whatever you do and completely focus on RC and it feels like everything except RC is muted down, like you make yourself a stranger to your reality to do the RC
[20:39] RareCola: That's exactly the opposite of what you should do, photonist
[20:39] hathor28: lol
[20:40] RareCola: You need to be aware of your reality
[20:40] photonist: umm?
[20:40] photonist: damn i did it wrong the whole time?
[20:40] RareCola: Reality checks themselves don't make you lucid, it's awareness of yourself and the world around you that makes you lucid
[20:40] OpheliaBlue: I get that Alfred Hitchcock vertigo effect a little bit when I increase my awareness. Like I suddenly increase my field of vision, if that makes sense.
[20:40] RareCola: Most of the time, lucidness through a DILD or MILD comes to me from awareness and a reality check just backs up the fact that I'm dreaming
[20:41] photonist: i try to be a stranger to it you know like to think out of the box, to look from outside to see if anything si weird
[20:41] daredevilpwn: photonist. When you do a RC. You pay attention to how to your senses, take a moment to look at your surrondings and notice details. Then take a moment to reflect on past events. Basically. Become extraverted and examine surrondings, them introverted and think about what happened to you 5 mins ago and what you are doing right now
[20:41] hathor28: yes
[20:42] photonist: Opheliablue i know what you mean, sometimes without lucidity i felt that in my dreams
[20:42] photonist: i should fix my RCs then daredevilpwn
[20:42] hathor28: RC is actually asking yourself questions and testing the dream or surroundings
[20:42] RareCola: A reality check I like to perform is to simply question the nature of things. Why are the trees orange? Because it's November. Why is my brother's car parked outside the house? Because he's home from work today. Etc.
[20:42] OpheliaBlue: oh nice
[20:43] OpheliaBlue: I also like retracing steps
[20:43] daredevilpwn: RareCola. That sounds like a good one. Nose plug and finger through palm ain't cutting it for me anymore
[20:43] photonist: i will do that backtracing rarecola it sounds great
[20:44] photonist: is DILD just as effective as MILD for you guys?
[20:44] daredevilpwn: they are essentially the same thing
[20:44] photonist: seriously :O
[20:44] RareCola: DILD is a fallback technique in my opinion. It's great to practice just so you have that extra chance to become lucid, but I don't think it's ever worth making it your main technique
[20:44] daredevilpwn: your just setting the intention to realize you are dreaming while dreaming
[20:44] OpheliaBlue: I kinda go through different techniques, but it happens naturally. I do't aim for a particular one anymore, I just make sure to WBTB if I want a lucid.
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[20:45] OpheliaBlue: awareness during the day, set my alarm for WBTB, stay up a little while then go back to sleep, think about dreaming and lucidity, and whatever happens happens
[20:45] OpheliaBlue: that's OpheliaILD
[20:46] RareCola: I tend to make decisions on the spot like that now also. If I feel like WILDing after a WBTB, I will do so. If not then I practice MILD, and if I'm incredibly lazy I just go to sleep and hope for a DILD
[20:46] RareCola: and if I ever wake up aware enough to DEILD, then I do that
[20:46] photonist: WILD really requires hard work and effort
[20:46] RareCola: It doesn't
[20:46] daredevilpwn: DEILD is my fav right now
[20:47] RareCola: People fail at WILD because they make it hard work and effort. It's only possible to succeed when you make it as easy as possible
[20:47] photonist: rarecola i tried wild couple times all i got was stress of staying still, and more stress due to not falling asleep
[20:47] RareCola: Precisely
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[20:48] photonist: RareCola what would you recommend me to do btw?
[20:48] OpheliaBlue: WILDs aren't hard so much as it may just take time. You have to get used to your own personal sensations that you go through as you fall asleep, and become aware of them and familiar with how they feel.
[20:48] RareCola: For WILD?
[20:48] OpheliaBlue: Took me years to get there, but when it happened, it was natural.
[20:48] photonist: wild and in general
[20:48] RareCola: I can't give you a general answer, as that really is down to you
[20:49] photonist: you are right
[20:49] OpheliaBlue: sorry I'm catching up here, how have you gotten lucids before photonist ?
[20:49] photonist: no
[20:49] RareCola: WILD on the other hand, I would recommend going into it without the intention to succeed or gain anything from it, nor should you be looking out for ANY signs that you're getting close. Your main goal should be to fall asleep before anything else.
[20:50] daredevilpwn: Also with WILD don't put too much focus on getting to sleep paralysis, or the hypagogic stage. Just relax and let things flow.
[20:50] OpheliaBlue: ^^
[20:50] photonist: just that?
[20:50] RareCola: Exactly, the only time I've ever succeeded with WILDs and DEILDs is when I haven't been trying to achieve anything
[20:50] OpheliaBlue: yeah I don't even get SP, and not much HI.. just vibrations sometimes. Everyone is different
[20:50] RareCola: It's a lot like meditation, you can't force it because it just won't happen
[20:50] photonist: but when i count or do something mental
[20:51] photonist: i dont get to fall asleep
[20:51] RareCola: Well you need to find out what works for you
[20:51] OpheliaBlue: can you just imagine things and fall asleep in the process? Like a fantasy?
[20:51] RareCola: Some people put on some background noise, like a fan or something, and focus on the sound of that
[20:51] RareCola: Or yes, what works for me is simply imagining a scene
[20:52] daredevilpwn: Photonist. You can try DEILD. If you wake up and remember to stay still, your body will fall asleep much faster than your mind does and thus enter the dream
[20:52] photonist: Rarecola before Lucid dreaming i tried focusing on the sound of brainwave entrainment, i fell asleep consciously without dreaming! maybe i should try that
[20:52] OpheliaBlue: I have a fan, and it seems to get me lucid more when it's on a 2, that a 1 or 3 lol. I just discovered that Jason, btw.
[20:52] photonist: daredevil that seems great actually!
[20:52] daredevilpwn: its the easier variant of wild
[20:52] RareCola: heh, that's interesting Lisa
[20:52] OpheliaBlue: yeah DEILDs are really handy like that
[20:53] OpheliaBlue: 1 is too quiet, and 3 is too loud
[20:53] OpheliaBlue: I guess
[20:53] OpheliaBlue: Danny always leaves it on a 1, so I gotta remember to put it on a 2 when I WBTB
[20:53] OpheliaBlue: forgot this morning
[20:54] daredevilpwn: Photonist. You can WILD/DEILD with or without visualization, visualization is just an option not a requirement
[20:54] photonist: after reading about lucid dreams and how it feels etc etc it feels like i am missing so much just even by not being lucid yesterday
[20:54] OpheliaBlue: hey RareCola , do you remember that !DVA log command thing? it's about that time
[20:54] photonist: i will try WILD tonight
[20:54] daredevilpwn: if you don't visualize you simply end up in your dream room
[20:55] daredevilpwn: good luck photonist
[20:55] RareCola: Er, no I can't remember
[20:55] OpheliaBlue: and oh shit, I'm on webchat so I lost the first hour of this class O_O
[20:55] OpheliaBlue: would you be able to log it my friend?
[20:55] RareCola: I should be able to